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Worst. F**king. Ending. Ever!
I also felt the ending was rushed, but "just." The ending and epilogue left so much out that it feels as if the story was left open for a 4th book, perhaps one that will not be appropriate for the YA space.
This ending was not as "realistic" as people keep saying. It offered up a version of reality but not the only or a complete version of reality (people overcome and find happiness all the time after terrible and traumatic experiences, that's just as real as those who cannot or do not do so). War sucks. People die. We get it. I wasn't looking for some trumped up happily ever after. I was, however, expecting decent writing, sensible writing decisions and character development. Not a hasty, thrown together mess, that was Mockingjay's ending. Katniss was a puppet in this book. A poster child that served no purpose. Her one and only mission in the book is a complete disaster. All Katniss does is show that, outside of her image, she has nothing to offer. She FAILS. She does not accomplish anything. And she doesn't much care that she fails. What an awful message to send out to young teens. If my children were older I certainly would not let them read this book without sitting down and discussing it with them.
Tamen wrote: "This ending was not as "realistic" as people keep saying. It offered up a version of reality but not the only or a complete version of reality (people overcome and find happiness all the time afte..."I kind of disagree with the message you think It portrays to young teens, I'm 16, not a young teen, but even I thoroughly expressed my disgust for the hastily, thrown together ending. I don't believe that sent any negative messages to kids.
David wrote: "Neesh_satsumaXD wrote: "im 12 and absolutely hated the ending, it was, lets put it politely, utter crap. first book was epic awesomeness, 2nd book was decent and 3rd book was CRAP! there was no emo..."
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katniss goes weaker and weaker, in the first book she is this strong, angry, lethal person. then in catching fire she becomes less strong, and in mockingjay she is just annoying and lovesick.
Lindsey wrote: "I think it was a nice break from cookie cutter endings where everyone ends up happy and the girl has to make a heart-breaking decision between her two beaus. Boo-hoo."I'm with you!!
Like I said, a fourth book may have been too much. Maybe I'm wrong.
Julie wrote: "Lindsey wrote: "I think it was a nice break from cookie cutter endings where everyone ends up happy and the girl has to make a heart-breaking decision between her two beaus. Boo-hoo."
I'm with you!!"
me too
I'm with you!!"
me too
Eli wrote: "Like I said, a fourth book may have been too much. Maybe I'm wrong."I think it would have been.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6274173/1...^^read for closure.
But yes, I agree SC's ending was more realistic in settings of war and whatnot, & it definitely made me think. But I don't read these fiction books only to be left with a depressing sense of reality. I like to read them to take myself out of reality for a little bit, I read them to have some sense of satisfaction or happiness.
Yeah some people may say that this is how the ending is supposed to be, that you're not supposed to feel happy, but come on, it's not like I have the intentions of reading a book just to feel incomplete or depressed at the end. Despite the happier or at least sufficient ending I craved for, she does write a good ending that I feel is almost artistic in terms of the darker side and feel of war, love, loss, emptiness...etc.
I know! I wished Katniss and Gale were together.
well its not just that it ended in a way people might not have liked. BUT SHE PRETTY MUCH SUMMED UP MONTHS AND YEARS. and what she summed up was so STUPID. i honestly hated it. i felt like at the end. i didnt even know the characters anymore.
Samantha wrote: But I don't read these fiction books only to be left with a depressing sense of reality. I like to read them to take myself out of reality for a little bit, I read them to have some sense of satisfaction or happiness.
Then stay away from these "classics" as well:
* Flowers for Algernon
* Of Mice and Men
* The Diary of Anne Frank
* The Boy in the Striped Pajamas
* Wuthering Heights
* Romeo and Juliet
* 1984
* The Old Man and the Sea
The above books (and more!) all have SERIOUSLY tragic endings. All of these books (Aside from Wuthering Heights, which has defied my attempts to stay involved) I have read and loved, and I think everyone should at least give them a try.
Books (and all art) exists to inspire you to re-contextualize and re-envision the world you live in through a lens created by someone with different experiences than yourself.
I loved this series but i hated the ending
Mightymoose wrote: "And then Katniss wouldn't have felt the need to get revenge for Prim's death and wouldn't have shot Coin. Coin would go on to rule Panem as she'd ruled D13. Food would be doled out with precision, ..."Very true. Prim's death was tragic but the epilogue fit everything. Coin couldn't become president or else nothing would change. I think that it was brilliant how Collins wrote about how Snow and Katniss shared a few words, about how they don't lie to each other. Snow knew that Katniss would kill Coin in revenge for her sister.
Jon wrote: "Samantha wrote: But I don't read these fiction books only to be left with a depressing sense of reality. I like to read them to take myself out of reality for a little bit, I read them to have som..."
Okay, well maybe I was overgeneralizing when using the word "fiction". Of course those are great classic books. I've read several fiction books that were tragic, but those were also based on a more realistic scale, with scarcely any hidden analogy to real world issues, so sad endings to me are more expected since it more closely resembles our real world (filled with tragedy of course lol). I guess I was pertaining my opinion of a satisfied ending more towards these YA, Dystopian, fantasy, fun, kind of reads, where "happy" endings are more likely to flourish in a "fake" world.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that an ending of a story can be as tragic, sad, depressing as the writer wants, which is fine with me, just as long the author doesn't leave me saying "That's it?". I don't know if that makes sense lol.
I'm not saying that I'm close minded when it comes to tragic books, and I'm not saying sad endings are necessarily bad endings. I did mention that SC's darker writing seemed artistic to me and it did make me think deeper about the themes of the book.
I just didn't like the fact that after two great books, I became attached to the characters and the ending felt like it barely touched base with, or had no emotional (whether it's good or bad) closure with the characters we came love. I felt like so many people died in the end so there wasn't enough time or I guess pages, to rightfully mourn the characters so we could move on without feeling incomplete. (small example; Rue died, depressing? yes..but at least we were able to still connect to her after she died through Katniss' thoughts about her...where as when Finnick died, it was like...awh shit, okay peace out) -___________- lol
sorry ..rambling thoughts..
I didn't mind the ending, except for one thing. I hated that gale seemed to have moved on and didn't care for katniss anymore. I understand that he probably needed to disconnect a bit to get over her, but I just didn't find it believable that he would end up having almost no part in her life when he grew up. Too sad!
the ending was................awkward
the author was trying to make a big ending with smart words but...they... werent really moving and it was kindve boring.
Kate wrote: "I didn't mind the ending, except for one thing. I hated that gale seemed to have moved on and didn't care for katniss anymore. I understand that he probably needed to disconnect a bit to get over h..."he didn't tryed to get closer her cause he knew she would never forgive him for doing the weapon that killed her sister.
Kate wrote: "I didn't mind the ending, except for one thing. I hated that gale seemed to have moved on and didn't care for katniss anymore. I understand that he probably needed to disconnect a bit to get over h..."I didn't like that part too. I wanted them to be together.
David wrote: "Excuse my "French" in the title, but... "Hahah I must admit that I also found the ending a tad bit nerve wrecking. I have always wanted Katniss and Peeta together, but I would have liked for she and Gale to remain friends. I assume that it would have been too complicated to be friends with a man that loves you while in a relationship with another. It had to be all or nothing. It would not have been fair to Petta at all because Katniss would be "having her cake and eating it too". I cried so hard when Primrose died. I was very upset with Suzanne Collins for choosing to kill Prim, but Prim was the only person that Katniss would always fight for no matter what. That is why she was the one to die. I love the last line (before the epilogue): “You love me. Real or not real?"
I tell him, "Real.” . After all of that, the first and second games, him being hijacked, killing Coin and finally being rid of Snow, she was able to tell him the truth. That she does love him and she always will.
like i said there was no emotion in the book when prim died, so i didnt cry, i know i sound heartless, i do cry at books, but only if the character themself feels pain and SC didnt really describe how katniss felt about prim dying.
Tatiana wrote: "David wrote: "Excuse my "French" in the title, but... "Hahah I must admit that I also found the ending a tad bit nerve wrecking. I have always wanted Katniss and Peeta together, but I would have l..."
it just says that katniss was alucinating wile burning.i agree there was no emotion. i didn't cry, and don't thing this is heartless...
Neesh_satsumaXD wrote: "like i said there was no emotion in the book when prim died, so i didnt cry, i know i sound heartless, i do cry at books, but only if the character themself feels pain and SC didnt really describe ..."Then please tell me why Collins went on in grueling detail about Katniss being in and out of a catatonic state if not over the grief over Prim's death?
Kate wrote: "I didn't mind the ending, except for one thing. I hated that gale seemed to have moved on and didn't care for katniss anymore. I understand that he probably needed to disconnect a bit to get over h..."that was my main problem!
He didn't leave so HE could get over Katniss. He left because he knew that every time Katniss looked at him she'd think about Prim and whether or not she'd been killed by the bomb that Gale and Beetee had designed. He left so that she wouldn't be tortured everyday, as an act of kindness and love.
aslidnseofuneruifnr..................aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...what are you people talking about!!!!!!!!!!!who cares!O.0
Not true. The worst ending in the literary world is "the life and times of edgar sawtelle".In that book, EVERYONE dies at the end.
To you, Prim's death, may not have been necessary. But, I think Collins felt it necessary to include that tragic moment if for nothing else, but to illustrate how power can corrupt any revolutionary effort, no matter the noble intent behind it. Consider the situation in Libya.
I gave up on that book twice...but since I knew it was based on Hamlet I knew what to expectLaura wrote: "Not true. The worst ending in the literary world is "the life and times of edgar sawtelle".
In that book, EVERYONE dies at the end."
The ending was kinda like the "and then I woke up" ending. Is Suzanne Collins working for Disney or something? Because she finished it with the old Disney plot of Start of happy-someone dies-feel sad- runaway-fall in love with the best friend-fight back to the top (sometimes killing someone else along the way)-marry the prince/princess-live happy ever after- (but forever sad) I mean there had to be a better way to end.
I was left with the impression that the "new regime" brought about by Katniss and the other rebels would become as harsh a world as the one they had overthrown. Mockingjay is a good example of a dystopian novel, but out of the trilogy I prefer the Hunger Games because when I finished that novel, I still felt there was hope.
in my opinion I thought the whole book its self was kinda slow. they didnt do much but i guess there was nothing To do. the ending when they go to the capital was very ecsiting but it got sooooo sssslllooooowwww after that. it was just very boring... oh well. nothing to do about it now. im still flustered that Finnick and Cinna died! they were my two favorite characters and they had to to die... go figure.
Mightymoose wrote: "Neesh_satsumaXD wrote: "like i said there was no emotion in the book when prim died, so i didnt cry, i know i sound heartless, i do cry at books, but only if the character themself feels pain and S..."
i mean katniss was in a state, but didnt have that feel, like when sirius black died,it had a lot of emotion, like harry trying to beleive he wasnt dead. and her death happened to quick, but not as quick as finnicks, but still quick.
i mean katniss was in a state, but didnt have that feel, like when sirius black died,it had a lot of emotion, like harry trying to beleive he wasnt dead. and her death happened to quick, but not as quick as finnicks, but still quick.
Dj wrote: "In my opinion the end was the best part of the book. I would hate the books if the serie ended with "everthing is fine, there are only nice people and that will continue for the rest of their lifes..."It was a stupid ending but i do agree with you the perfect endings get old.
Aleesha wrote: "Prim's death was not unnecessary... I felt similarly when I first read it, but think about it, if Prim had lived and Coin ruled then it would have been the same as before."This on so many levels. Prim's death resulted in Katniss realising that it wasn't over yet and opened her eyes to finish the job. Coin had to die. Katniss needed the push to make things right.
With Coin out of the picture and Prim gone, Katniss no longer has any reason to fight. She is obviously very depressed and emotionally torn to bits but this means she can close the door on her fight and slowly start to piece together some sort of new life.
Ruqayyah wrote: "Aleesha wrote: "Prim's death was not unnecessary... I felt similarly when I first read it, but think about it, if Prim had lived and Coin ruled then it would have been the same as before."This on..."
Not really it could push her into an even deeper depression. Like with the nightmare she has after the Hunger Games and everything.
I couldn't express my anger in any way when I finished the book, since no one I knew had read them! (My only friend who HAD read the series was living in Ontario at the time.) Even after reading some of these posts, I still feel that Prim's death was unnecessary.
The most STUPID UNNECESSARY BALISTIC CRAPPY SH**TY DISGUSTING death of all however, was Finnick. There was NO REASON for him to die, and he was the character I got most attached to. I had the biggest crush on him, so naturally I was devastated, and actually cried when I read it.
Also, I was extremely disappointed that Gale and Katniss lived in completely different districts in the end and weren't even talking anymore. Absofrickinlutely ridiculous. They were best friends, and although Gale might have had the idea behind the attack that killed Prim, he would never intentionally kill her, and was definitely not directly responsible for her death. And Katniss should know this, and forgive him. After Finnick's death, the end of Katniss and Gale's relationship was the thing I was most frustrated about. And I was frustrated - MAD even - at A WHOLE FRICKIN LOT in this book. I was so disgusted
I read this book almost 5 months ago now, and I still haven't gotten over how disappointed and mad I am. My stomach still literally churns when I think of it.
THe death actually played a huge part to the end of the war, prim dead means snow and coin dead which means panem wouldn't be ruled in the messed up way it had been for the past 75 years. They needed to get a proper leader to rule so they had katniss take coin out in anger of killing prim and let the mob/ bloody laughter get rid of snow. Sorry for the confusing writing.
I am so happy this page exists, nothing can explain the rage a felt when I finished the book. So many fucking un answered questions..... I GET IT! NO HAPPY ENDING IN WAR.....WHY BOTHER BUILDING UP TO ALL THE OTHER STUFF THEN......i know lets just kill of as many characters as possible, that'll get rid of some loose ends.D:
Anika "Who loves chocolate" wrote: "Prim had to die for many reasons.. Katniss wouldn't have killed Coin if Prim hadn't have died. Gale was responsible for Prims death so Gale knew that Katniss wouldn't be able to forgive him for tha..."I agree with you on Prim, as frustrating as is. But Gale didn't leave just because he though Katniss wouldn't forgive him. He just couldn't live with himself after what he'd done (which it might've not even been his fault. He always tells Katniss the truth). Think about it; he's known and cared for Prim for years, so he would be pretty upset about her dying, and top of that he's got to deal with the guilt that it was probably his fault. Plus, Katniss was so depressed after her death, and although she didn't really blame him as much as Gale thought she did or should, he still couldn't live with the thought of seeing that way, and thinking that it's all his fault. He thought she would be better off without him. When you're in a first-person point of view in a book, you really have to try and get in the other characters' heads in order to understand their actions accurately, and not just assume based on your narrators thoughts.
Hannah wrote: "I am so happy this page exists, nothing can explain the rage a felt when I finished the book. So many fucking un answered questions..... I GET IT! NO HAPPY ENDING IN WAR.....WHY BOTHER BUILDING UP ..."Collins, She got lazy
I was more disappointed by the ending because you don't get to really react to Prim's death we follow around Katniss in her daze and we don't get to learn what is going on around her with her friends and the rebellion. It's all mentioned as an after thought really. I got tired of following her around in the 'I'm so upset I'm so dazed by all that has happened' A friend of mine said that it was realistic how she wrote it. I responded that I wanted to know more about what was happening and that I like reading books were the main character gets stronger and reading her reactions to what has happened to her rather than listen to her in a daze. I understand that she blamed Gale and I was glad that she ended up with Peta because he cared for her so much and I even agree that Prim's death was necessary for the end of the book though I was upset by it. I was just disappointed that by the time she knew what was going on everything in the fight was over and everything was already settling down.
WTF! Prim dies!!!!!!!
Chin123 wrote: "WTF! Prim dies!!!!!!!"Why would you click on the thread when I clearly said "Ending" the title.
Yeah, because she ended up with Peeta.
i think that the deaths in the last book were a bit rushed. i liked the first one because rue's death wasnt rushed. i actually cried at it. and it takes quite a bit to get me to cry.
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