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message 1: by Betsy (new)

Betsy There is a lot going on right now irl and lots of discussion in the media about the publishing industry and the future of e-books. Not just the DOJ suit against Apple and the big publishers (see this thread: http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/8...), which may have started it. But Tor's decision to go DRM free.

There's a series of articles going on in Download the Universe by several science authors discussing these issues. These articles reference a lot of other articles, too.

Here are the first two of this series:

http://www.downloadtheuniverse.com/dt...

http://www.downloadtheuniverse.com/dt...

Third should come out tomorrow.

It's an interesting series.


message 2: by Char (new)

Char That was interesting, thanks for posting it!

What are your thoughts as far as remembering what you read? I don't think that I retain less by reading on my Kindle. Then again, I never have really thought about it.


message 3: by Betsy (new)

Betsy I'm with you; I've never really thought about it. I know I don't like nonfiction books on kindle as well as fiction, but that has more to do with the quality of illustrations, and the fact that you can't flip back and forth very easily (bookmarking seems somewhat cumbersome to me).


message 4: by Char (new)

Char You have a point about the illustrations. I am a fantasy fan and the maps aren't viewable at all, though the Kindle Fire may have better capability, I don't know.


message 5: by Ioana (new)

Ioana Betsy,
I totally agree with you and your reasons. However, no matter what, I love my Kindle and its size. Because non-fiction book tend to be bigger, I break my own rules and read them on Kindle. I miss the maps and flipping back, but I love the convenience of having my 'book' all the time in my purse.


message 6: by Mirvan. (new)

Mirvan. Ereon (mirvanereon) | 30 comments do graphic novels look good in ebooks?


message 7: by Anika (new)

Anika (teddybear1) | 84 comments I like my kindle and hate when I have to turn back then find my spot again but I find that I read faster. I have seen graphic art on the keyboard kindle in black and white and the quality was not bad. I would stay with the kindle than having the book as it does not take up space like a book does and I can get the book faster than if I went to the bookstore to buy it. Amazon will always have it in stock and I won't have to wait for it to come in.


message 8: by Betsy (last edited Apr 25, 2012 11:45PM) (new)

Betsy Ioana wrote: "... no matter what, I love my Kindle and its size. Because non-fiction book tend to be bigger, I break my own rules and read them on Kindle. I..."

Oh, I agree. The kindle is so much better for reading text. I do read most nonfiction on the kindle, but I sometimes have my tablet on that book at the same time, just for the illustrations.

r.a. wrote: "do graphic novels look good in ebooks?"

I have no experience with graphic novels, but my understanding is that they're not that great on regular kindles. Tablet reader apps (even kindle fire and kindle apps for tablets) may do better.


message 9: by Mirvan. (new)

Mirvan. Ereon (mirvanereon) | 30 comments Betsy wrote: "Ioana wrote: "... no matter what, I love my Kindle and its size. Because non-fiction book tend to be bigger, I break my own rules and read them on Kindle. I..."

Oh, I agree. The kindle is so much ..."


thank you then =P


message 10: by Char (new)

Char r.a. wrote: "do graphic novels look good in ebooks?"

In an e-ink Kindle, the answer is no.
However, I have heard from other readers that the Kindle Fire does do graphic novels justice.


message 11: by Betsy (new)

Betsy Here's the third installment of the Download the Universe series:

http://www.downloadtheuniverse.com/dt...


message 12: by Betsy (new)

Betsy More interesting developments:

Your E-Book is Reading You

How do you feel about Amazon or B&N gathering data about your reading habits?


message 13: by Andrew (new)

Andrew Lawston (andrewlawston) | 72 comments Charlene wrote: "You have a point about the illustrations. I am a fantasy fan and the maps aren't viewable at all, though the Kindle Fire may have better capability, I don't know."

I love reading a bit of fantasy, but frankly if e-books mean the end of maps in fantasy novels then I'm all for it!


message 14: by Syahira (new)

Syahira "do graphic novels look good in ebooks?"
black and white mangas does wonders on ereaders. The print for manga was on larger paper with huge fonts for monthly magazine (HanatoYume, Shonen Jump) but it will be smaller paperback size when it was published on volumes. So when mangas are converted to smaller screen, its still readable. Kindle 4 had newer update which darken the texts and gave good contrast option to pdfs. I can read on dark indoor rooms without switching on extra light.

american and hong kong comics usually have larger page with tiny fonts and too many scenes so it can be hard to read on small ereader screen.

I do have 10inch tablet for e-magazine and coloured graphic novels and comics but I still prefer reading it with my 16" laptop propped at the side on potrait mode. Tablet can have slower loading time for the magazines and pdfs, laptop dont.


message 15: by Nell (last edited Sep 16, 2012 04:04AM) (new)

Nell Victory for ebook consumers! A federal court judge approved the settlement agreement between the US Dept of Justice (DOJ) and 3 of the publishers sued for violating antitrust law by price-fixing ebooks. Harper Collins ebook prices have been dropping since Monday (9/10). Simon & Schuster and Hachette Group (Little, Brown & Co) are renegotiating their contracts; prices for their ebooks will start to drop later this month.

Apple and two other publishers, Penguin and MacMillan, are not part of the settlement; the case goes to trial next summer. But they may have to drop their ebook prices in order to compete. The price-fixing agreement between Apple (for iPad) and five major US publishers is why Kindle ebook prices went from a high of $9.99 to $14.99 for bestselling and newly released books.


message 16: by Lord Nouda (new)

Lord Nouda (nouda) Consumers will be getting their money back.

As a result of the lawsuit brought forward by 49 State Attorneys General against the Publishing Industry for price-fixing, Customers who bought ebooks via Amazon/Barnes and Nobles from April 2010 to May 2012 will receive between $0.30 and $1.32 in refunds per ebook purchased from the following publishers: Hachette, HarperCollins, Macmillan, Penguin, Simon & Schuster, and their subsidiaries.

For more information check out this website: https://ebooksagsettlements.com/Frequ...


message 17: by Darlene (new)

Darlene Jones (darlene_jones) | 55 comments Interesting thread. I do most of my reading on Kindle now (fiction). I think I retain just as much as from a paper book. I do miss the ability to easily flip back and forth, but I'm getting better at bookmarking. I love that Kindle is so easy on the eyes and that I have a whole library in my purse when I travel.


message 18: by Betsy (last edited Oct 22, 2012 04:09PM) (new)

Betsy Amazon wiped the account, including all e-books, of a Norwegian customer, with no explanation and no recourse:

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/techno...


message 19: by Nell (last edited Oct 23, 2012 05:04AM) (new)

Nell Lord Nouda wrote: "Consumers will be getting their money back.

As a result of the lawsuit brought forward by 49 State Attorneys General against the Publishing Industry for price-fixing, Customers who bought ebooks ...from the following publishers: Hachette, HarperCollins, Macmillan, Penguin, Simon & Schuster, and their subsidiaries. "


Three of the publishers settled the lawsuits with the State AGs - HarperCollins, Hachette and Simon & Schuster. They agreed to refund partially the costs of e-books purchased during that period. The settlement has to be approved by the federal court and that is expected to happen in February 2013. Amazon will issue automatic credits to Kindle users.

The publishers who did not agree to settle either the federal or state AGs lawsuits, Macmillan and Penguin, will not issue refunds. They along will Apple will take the case to trial next summer.


message 20: by Paul (new)

Paul (paullev) | 107 comments Here's an interesting analysis of the future of ebooks and "author's cuts" - http://www.josaramedia.com/2012/10/28...


message 21: by Lord Nouda (new)

Lord Nouda (nouda) It seems like Random House and Penguin are merging into one mega-publishing company. Interestingly enough Random House isn't part of the price fixing debacle, unlike Penguin.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/30/bus...


message 22: by BookAddict (new)

BookAddict (bookaddictgirrl) | 26 comments Nell wrote: "Victory for ebook consumers! A federal court judge approved the settlement agreement between the US Dept of Justice (DOJ) and 3 of the publishers sued for violating antitrust law by price-fixing e..."

Penguin settled in December. http://www.pcworld.com/article/202148...


message 23: by Dee (new)

Dee (austhokie) | 370 comments Betsy wrote: "Amazon wiped the account, including all e-books, of a Norwegian customer, with no explanation and no recourse:

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/techno......"


a bit delayed - but if you do some digging into this - you find that she was accessing an amazon.uk account in Norway which isn't allowed - thereby breaking the TOS - and her kindle had been ruined - which was part of the issue


message 24: by BookAddict (new)

BookAddict (bookaddictgirrl) | 26 comments Penguin settled in December. http://www.pcworld.com/article/202148...

Lord Nouda wrote: "Consumers will be getting their money back.

As a result of the lawsuit brought forward by 49 State Attorneys General against the Publishing Industry for price-fixing, Customers who bought ebooks v..."


Nell wrote: "Lord Nouda wrote: "Consumers will be getting their money back.

As a result of the lawsuit brought forward by 49 State Attorneys General against the Publishing Industry for price-fixing, Customers ..."



message 25: by Lord Nouda (last edited Feb 14, 2013 12:27PM) (new)

Lord Nouda (nouda) Cheryl wrote: "Penguin settled in December. http://www.pcworld.com/article/202148...

Macmillan "surrendered" not too long ago. That's pretty much everyone aside from Apple.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/20...


message 26: by Betsy (new)

Betsy Interesting article:

"Publishing houses and re-sellers like Amazon and B&N are still caught up in thinking that books are discrete and separate commodities that they can own or control. Nothing could be further from the truth. Everything is fluid in this digital universe. If it’s on your screen, you control it. It’s as simple as that."

Read more: http://davidbiddle.net/when-books-and...


message 27: by Betsy (new)

Betsy Apple gets dinged, but it doesn't seem like much of a punishment:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/07/bus...


message 28: by Len (last edited Sep 08, 2013 03:08PM) (new)

Len Edgerly (lenedgerly) | 2 comments As expected, eBook prices have been falling since the DOJ settlements went into effect. And sometime after a hearing on Dec 6 we should start seeing refunds from Amazon, B&N etc. for eBooks we purchased at inflated prices between 2010 and 2012. Good outcome for eBook readers, IMHO.


message 29: by D.J. (new)

D.J. Edwardson Actually, book prices (at least for best sellers) have been decreasing steadily for quite some time, well in advance of the recent legal wranglings.

Here's the chart for the past year which tracks the top 25:



If you want to see the article this comes from you can find it here:

http://www.digitalbookworld.com/2013/...


message 30: by Nell (last edited Mar 27, 2014 03:07AM) (new)

Nell Hooray for readers!!
Just received notice via email from Amazon that I have a credit from the DOJ lawsuit. I think the amount is based on Kindle ebooks purchased previously. The federal court approved the settlement with the publishers. Apple appealed the court ruling against them so the suit itself is still in court.

Of course, I went straight to Amazon and picked up an ebook I've been waiting to get.


message 31: by LaSonya (new)

LaSonya | 2 comments Yes I received my notification this morning also. Wonderful start to my day.


message 32: by Nigel (new)

Nigel Bird (nigelbird) | 13 comments Fantasic - spend it well!


message 33: by Betsy (new)

Betsy Of course, you have to spend it on books (including Kindle books) and you have to use it within a year. I should be able to buy that many books in a year, but maybe not.


message 34: by Gerald (new)

Gerald Miller | 6 comments Apple still believes it did nothing wrong .


message 35: by David (new)

David (dschigusa) I've been an avid Kindle user and advocate for the past 4 or so years until I recently happened to buy a paperback while traveling overseas, which I read during my vacation and on the plane home. I noticed that I could read much longer without getting tired, and now that I've read a couple more paper books, I can only confirm that. Ebooks are a great idea, and I'm sad to say goodbye—but my eyes are thanking me.


message 36: by [deleted user] (new)

David wrote: "I've been an avid Kindle user and advocate for the past 4 or so years until I recently happened to buy a paperback while traveling overseas, which I read during my vacation and on the plane home. I..."
I know where you're coming from. On the other hand paper books are difficult on a breezy beach. Maybe a larger reading device would suffice?


message 37: by Jen (new)

Jen (jenlb) | 50 comments David wrote: "IEbooks are a great idea, and I'm sad to say goodbye—but my eyes are thanking me.

I've had the opposite experience- I'm now so used to being able to change the fonts on an e-reader that I find it difficult to read paper books now, and I find that a lighted e-reader is much less a strain on my eyes than is reading a book in anything but very well-lit areas. Maybe I'm just getting old :-)


message 38: by Dee (new)

Dee (austhokie) | 370 comments David wrote: "I've been an avid Kindle user and advocate for the past 4 or so years until I recently happened to buy a paperback while traveling overseas, which I read during my vacation and on the plane home. I..."

what kind of kindle did you have? a kindle fire or an ereader? Fires (beause they are computer screens) will cause eye strain, whereas an ereader shouldn't


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