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I think both of 'em got what they wanted, fifteen more minutes of "fame". Assholes.
I think any and all Hitler/Nazi/SS comparisons should effectively be laid to rest. They seem to be the oppression fall-back and they are always wrong and insulting. "The government wants to take away my right to feed my children fat and salty snacks, they're all Nazis!" etc.Ted Nugent is an asshole. Thankfully, I don't take any celebrity seriously when they start going on about politics. They are all so far from knowing what it's like to be an average person, they really have no perspective to offer. You can argue "they're Americans too," but everyone knows they live an insulated life so their perspective isn't worth anything (to me personally).
the Nuge, although a great rocker in his time (ie: see great white buffalo) is off his rocker. his rants ride the slim edge of wacko every time. he should be screaming "wango tango" instead of "kill the man" whenever he gets behind a mic
OMFG. Someone at HuffPo should have corrected this introductory paragraph."John Raese, running for U.S. Senate as a Republican in West Virginia, equated a county smoking ban with Hitler forcing Jews to wear the Star of David at a recent Republican event."
Really? Jews at this republican event were forced, by Hitler, to wear a Star of David?
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But it's also the case that we can't wall off the Nazis as if no behavior is ever going to be Nazi-like again, because it is, and it has been. You just have to be really specific in what you're talking about. There were a lot of Nazis and they were evil in varying degrees. Not every Nazi was genocidal (but those who weren't still shoulda known better, because the genocidal rhetoric was widespread).
Politicians should stop talking about Hitler and Nazis because when people hear those words that's all they hear. Suddenly they become incapable of further thought or analysis. Perhaps discussion of Hitler and Nazis should be left to historians.
I need to correct my statement to all casual references to Nazism need to be laid to rest. It's still a real philosophy, but no one should use it as a surface comparison.
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During the message at St. Mary's Cathedral in Peoria, Roman Catholic Bishop Daniel Jenky contended social services for Catholics could be eliminated if Obama's directive to include contraceptives in health insurance continues. Jenky went on to compare the actions to past cultural wars against the Catholic Church.
“Remember that in past history other governments have tried to force Christians to huddle and hide only within the confines of their churches like the first disciples locked up in the Upper Room,” Jenky said.
In comparison, he pointed to Otto von Bismarck's "culture war against the Roman Catholic Church, closing down every Catholic school and hospital, convent and monastery in Imperial Germany."
“Clemenceau, nicknamed ‘the priest eater,’ tried the same thing in France in the first decade of the 20th Century," Jenky said. "Hitler and Stalin, at their better moments, would just barely tolerate some churches remaining open, but would not tolerate any competition with the state in education, social services and health care."
"In clear violation of our First Amendment rights, Barack Obama, with his radical, pro-abortion and extreme secularist agenda, now seems intent on following a similar path,” he said.
Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/...
And speaking of the Catholic Church and Hitler, if the Vatican didn't like Hitler they shouldn't have entered into the 1933 Reichskonkordat, among other things.
The Reichskonkordat is a treaty that was agreed between the Holy See and Nazi government, that guarantees the rights of the Catholic Church in Germany.
The Reichskonkordat is the most controversial of several concordats agreed between various states and the Vatican during the reign of Pope Pius XI and is frequently discussed in works that deal with the rise of Hitler in the early 1930s and the Holocaust. The concordat has been described as giving moral legitimacy to the Nazi regime soon after Hitler had acquired dictatorial powers, having placed constraints on Catholics critical of the regime, leading to a muted response by the Church to the policies of the Nazis. (Wiki)
Yes, the Vatican was very much in bed with the Nazis, Bishop Jenky.
Phil wrote: "OMFG. Someone at HuffPo should have corrected this introductory paragraph."John Raese, running for U.S. Senate as a Republican in West Virginia, equated a county smoking ban with Hitler forcing ..."
You made me laugh out loud. Thank you, Phil.
Kevin "El Liso Grande" wrote: "the Nuge, although a great rocker in his time (ie: see great white buffalo) is off his rocker. his rants ride the slim edge of wacko every time. he should be screaming "wango tango" instead of "kil..."
It’s hard to take anything Nugent says outside of hunting and music to heart, most of which amounts to the aural equivalent of a ringside interview of Bobo Brazil and Dick the Bruiser before their big Saturday night match down at Cobo Arena. Yeah, we know he’s full of shit, but who amongst us could seriously blame him for that? Not I. Loving the sound of your own voice, and in his case, your own guitar, is part of the job description.
It’s hard to take anything Nugent says outside of hunting and music to heart, most of which amounts to the aural equivalent of a ringside interview of Bobo Brazil and Dick the Bruiser before their big Saturday night match down at Cobo Arena. Yeah, we know he’s full of shit, but who amongst us could seriously blame him for that? Not I. Loving the sound of your own voice, and in his case, your own guitar, is part of the job description.
BunWat wrote: "Good point by Phil.I continue to be just astonished by the profound irony of claiming to be persecuted simply because you are not being allowed to dictate whether OTHER PEOPLE can have access to ..."
Have you seen Michele Bachmann's new slant in which she claims she is for choice and somehow it is the Dem policies that will be limiting women?
Clark wrote: "Loving the sound of your own voice, and in his case, your own guitar, is part of the job description. ."I did like when he said that his guitar playing was too sexy for Mitt Romney to handle.
i saw the nuge a couple of years ago with my oldest son (on our guitar heroes summer concert tour where we just go to shows that have great guitar players) and at the end of the show he hung his guitar on a wall of amps while it was still in full screeching feedback disappeared off-stage, reappeared in the back of the lower level seating with a bow and arrow and shot a burning arrow over the heads of concert goers into the guitar onstage which then burst into flames having apparently been previously soaked in an something flammable while ranting incoherently like an auctioneer about native american indians. that is the nuge i wanna see, not radio talk show ted
Kevin "El Liso Grande" wrote: "i saw the nuge a couple of years ago with my oldest son (on our guitar heroes summer concert tour where we just go to shows that have great guitar players) and at the end of the show he hung his gu..."
Thank God he's given up the loincloth for camo.
I think that guitar was probably soaked in water from the river Styx.
Thank God he's given up the loincloth for camo.
I think that guitar was probably soaked in water from the river Styx.
Kevin "El Liso Grande" wrote: "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9UJT0..."
Deadly Tedly. Say what you will, but the guy can play a little bit.
Deadly Tedly. Say what you will, but the guy can play a little bit.
Ted Nugent was my first concert experience. mom took me as a wee lad. i remember it being loud and filled with smoke and bad smells.
mark wrote: "Ted Nugent was my first concert experience. mom took me as a wee lad. i remember it being loud and filled with smoke and bad smells."Yeah, and that was just the car on the way over!
mark - those are the reasons i went to concerts
experiencing such things as a child made me yearn for them as a teen, overindulge in them in my 20s, and long for them again in my 30s.
The Amboy Dukes played at my (then future) high school when I was still in junior high. Can't remember why I didn't go, but I've always regretted it.
b) When your own remarks get you scrutinized so you feel like "a black Jew at a Nazi KKK rally?" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04...
c) other?
I mean, seriously? Ted Nugent is crazy, so he has that excuse, but shouldn't every American politician be told "it's probably not a good idea to compare your issue with that of any group that has been systematically oppressed or obliterated?"