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Dipanjan Datta (papudips) | 44 comments This is truly an outstanding book. I have enjoyed it thoroughly.


Phrodrick slowed his growing backlog | 192 comments I thought I had posted on this one.
In fact I do not think you can go wrong with either book
I remember more about
The Man Who Never Was but in part because the movie was also pretty good
If it matters the author was there at the time and part of the operation. OTOH when he was writing less was known about the German take on the operation and the author may have had some not yet de classification issues.,


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Boudewijn (boudalok) | 403 comments Not WW2 related, but anyway: I am spending my holiday here in Macedonia and what better way to enjoy than to read a biography of Alexander the Great, the most famous Macedonian of them all. Does anyone of have any recommendations?


message 1454: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (last edited Jul 11, 2022 11:40PM) (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments Boudewijn wrote: "Not WW2 related, but anyway: I am spending my holiday here in Macedonia and what better way to enjoy than to read a biography of Alexander the Great, the most famous Macedonian of them all. Does an..."

Hi Boudewijn, an excellent subject. For a quick, easy but informative and fun read try this book:

Alexander the Great by Philip Freeman Alexander the Great by Philip Freeman

For a book on both Alexander and his father, Philip, this book is an excellent read:

Philip and Alexander Kings and Conquerors by Adrian Goldsworthy Philip and Alexander: Kings and Conquerors by Adrian Goldsworthy


One of my favourite books on the subject has been:

Alexander of Macedon, 356-323 B.C. by Peter Green Alexander of Macedon, 356-323 B.C. by Peter Green

Another good book is this title:

Alexander the Great by Robin Lane Fox Alexander the Great by Robin Lane Fox


Here is a classic that I am yet to read but it may interest you:

Alexander A History of the Origin and Growth of the Art Of War from the Earliest Times to the Battle of Ipsus, B.C. 301, With a Detailed Account of the Campaigns of the Great Macedonian by Theodore Ayrault Dodge Alexander: A History of the Origin and Growth of the Art Of War from the Earliest Times to the Battle of Ipsus, B.C. 301, With a Detailed Account of the Campaigns of the Great Macedonian by Theodore Ayrault Dodge


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Dipanjan Datta (papudips) | 44 comments I have read the book of Robin Lane Fox. Excellent research work


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Dimitri | 1413 comments Boudewijn wrote: "Not WW2 related, but anyway: I am spending my holiday here in Macedonia and what better way to enjoy than to read a biography of Alexander the Great, the most famous Macedonian of them all. Does an..."

Philip II of Macedonia by Ian Worthington Philip II of Macedonia by Ian Worthington

more in-depth than Goldsworthy on the roots of Alexander's army


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Boudewijn (boudalok) | 403 comments Thanks Aussie Rick and Dimitri. With these recommendations I'm sure I'll have Alexander accompanying me in our travels. All excellent. I think I will go for Philip Freeman's book first, light reading for the holidays. Dimitri, your recommendation also sounds good, especially the nuance on the military. Thanks!


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Dipanjan Datta (papudips) | 44 comments I am looking for a book on Anglo Zanzibar War the shortest war of human history which took place in 1896.


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Boudewijn (boudalok) | 403 comments That than must be the shortest book of human history ...


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Dj | 2295 comments Boudewijn wrote: "That than must be the shortest book of human history ..."

I found no actual books on the topic, but a bunch of articles when I did a search on Google. Interestingly I just read a bit about that very thing in a book that I got from Kindle Unlimited, but it was one chapter out of many.

Exploring Facts: Extraordinary Stories & Weird Facts from History Trivia Book Exploring Facts Extraordinary Stories & Weird Facts from History Trivia Book by Henry Bennett

I will look to see if the book has a Bibliography, although with this type of book you can never tell.


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Perato | 231 comments When searching for minor topics with little regard of "what's the best book about", one can always scour Wikipedia bibliography section. It's usually not the "best one can find" but if there's not much to choose from, might give you the only on.

Like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Zanzibar-short...


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Boudewijn (boudalok) | 403 comments Hi Dipanjan, another try might be this official history, where I'm sure this war will be mentioned:

A History of the Arab State of Zanzibar by Norman Robert Bennett.

For whatever reason I can't put a direct link to the book on Goodreads but if you do a search it will turn up.


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Christian Nielson | 2 comments I've been doing a lot of reading up on the Eastern/ Russian front lately, but I noticed that there are not too many biographies or books that have been written from the German or Russian perspectives. What are some good recommendations for further reading on this topic? And what are some good biographies of the German leaders, since it is a hard subject to find a good book on? Any suggestions would be much appreciated.


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Dipanjan Datta (papudips) | 44 comments Dear C.A. u can read Paul carell's books on eastern front. u can get German point of view in his books. Besides u can read lost victory by Von Manstein or Panzer leader by Heinz Guderian. From Russian point of view I have a book which i had chanced upon 8 years before in college street market. It was published by Moscow publisher in the Soviet era. The name of the book is ' The great patriotic war 1941-1945 '. It chiefly was written from communist point of view.


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Positive Kate | 88 comments One of my favorite first person book is In Deadly Combat by Biddermann. It’s by a German soldier who wrote about his experiences in Ukraine and Stalingrad.


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'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments I seconded Kate's recommendation of "In Deadly Combat" and I would also suggest; "Blood Red Snow: The Memoirs of a German Soldier on the Eastern Front" by Günter K. Koschorrek.

Two other good books to read, bearing in mind that they were written by German commanders trying to protect their reputations are Heinz Guderian's "Panzer Leader" and Erich von Manstein's "Lost Victories".

In Deadly Combat A German Soldier's Memoir of the Eastern Front by Gottlob Herbert Bidermann In Deadly Combat: A German Soldier's Memoir of the Eastern Front by Gottlob Herbert Bidermann

Blood Red Snow The Memoirs of a German Soldier on the Eastern Front by Günter K. Koschorrek Blood Red Snow: The Memoirs of a German Soldier on the Eastern Front by Günter K. Koschorrek

Panzer Leader by Heinz Guderian Panzer Leader by Heinz Guderian

Lost Victories The War Memoirs of Hitler's Most Brilliant General by Erich von Manstein Lost Victories: The War Memoirs of Hitler's Most Brilliant General by Erich von Manstein


message 1467: by Nick (new)

Nick | 97 comments Dipanjan wrote: "Dear C.A. u can read Paul carell's books on eastern front. u can get German point of view in his books. Besides u can read lost victory by Von Manstein or Panzer leader by Heinz Guderian. From Russ..."

Although Carell writes very well, read his stuff with a mine of salt. Carell was really Paul Karl Schmidt, a propagandist in the German foreign ministry that had ties to the Wehrmacht. He was influential, if not responsible, for the propaganda magazine "Signal" and was largely responsible for justifying the Holocaust. His point of view is "Hooray for the Herrenvolk" - the valiant German soldier being overwhelmed by hordes of soldiers (Soviet) or technology/industry (Western Allies). It's seductive and somewhat chivalric but it's also highly selective and whitewashes the failures, "excesses", and atrocities of the German armed forces.

Lost Victories should also be read with caution and is as remarkable for what it leaves out as for what is included. Basically, Manstein takes credit for all the victories and blames Hitler for all the defeats. But he leaves out all the "favors" (i.e. bribes) he took from Hitler and omits mentioning the extermination campaigns that took place in his jurisdiction. While less blatant than "Carell" (and less well-written), it still should be eyed with caution.


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Creighton | 20 comments I have Guderian and Mansteins memoirs, I haven’t read them yet. I’ve had quite a few people tell me it is best to read their writings objectively.


message 1469: by Marc (last edited Jul 17, 2022 03:44PM) (new)

Marc | 1746 comments On a related note, "Stuka Pilot" by Hans-Ulrich Rudel is a very good book about aerial warfare on the Eastern Front by a pilot who had no shortage of skill or bravery. Granted, he was a pretty devout Nazi, but he was a helluva pilot.

Stuka Pilot by Hans-Ulrich Rudel Stuka Pilot


message 1470: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments Marc wrote: "On a related note, "Stuka Pilot" by Hans-Ulrich Rudel is a very good book about aerial warfare on the Eastern Front by a pilot who had no shortage of skill or bravery. Granted, he was a pretty devo..."

A great book indeed!


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Creighton | 20 comments Are any of the Stackpole military history
Series, books any good? I have quite a few, one written by Otto carius, another on Michael Whitmann, another written by Kurt Meyer, and a few others.


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Marc | 1746 comments Creighton wrote: "Are any of the Stackpole military history
Series, books any good? I have quite a few, one written by Otto carius, another on Michael Whitmann, another written by Kurt Meyer, and a few others."


I've found some of them to be pretty good, others just okay. The ones by Franz Kurowski are a bit of a mixed bag, and I'd only recommend his one on the Luftwaffe.

Here are some of the books from the series I'd recommend (based on actually reading them):

Arnhem 1944 The Airborne Battle by Martin Middlebrook Arnhem 1944: The Airborne Battle

Mission 376 Battle Over the Reich, May 28, 1944 by Ivo De Jong Mission 376: Battle Over the Reich, May 28, 1944

Bodenplatte The Luftwaffe's Last Hope by John Manrho Bodenplatte: The Luftwaffe's Last Hope

On the Canal The Marines of L-3-5 on Guadalcanal, 1942 (Stackpole Military History Series) by Ore J. Marion On the Canal: The Marines of L-3-5 on Guadalcanal, 1942

The Germans in Normandy by Richard Hargreaves The Germans in Normandy

Red Road from Stalingrad Recollections of a Soviet Infantryman by Mansur Abdulin Red Road from Stalingrad: Recollections of a Soviet Infantryman

Guns Against the Reich Memoirs of a Soviet Artillery Officer on the Eastern Front by Petr Mikhin Guns Against the Reich: Memoirs of a Soviet Artillery Officer on the Eastern Front

Twilight of the Gods A Swedish Volunteer in the 11th SS Panzergrenadier Division "Nordland" on the Eastern Front (Stackpole Military History Series) by Thorolf Hillblad Twilight of the Gods: A Swedish Volunteer in the 11th SS Panzergrenadier Division "Nordland" on the Eastern Front


message 1473: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments Creighton wrote: "Are any of the Stackpole military history
Series, books any good? I have quite a few, one written by Otto carius, another on Michael Whitmann, another written by Kurt Meyer, and a few others."


I have a few in the series that I am yet to read. I have read some of the titles before Stackpole obtain publication rights so it can be a mixed bag but probably worth while.


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Creighton | 20 comments Hey guys, I am looking for a good book on the history of the Luftwaffe; any recommendations?


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Marc | 1746 comments Creighton wrote: "Hey guys, I am looking for a good book on the history of the Luftwaffe; any recommendations?"

Dang, I have dozens of books on the Luftwaffe but only one on the Luftwaffe as a whole...and I haven't read it yet.

Hitler’s Eagles The Luftwaffe 1933–45 by Chris McNab Hitler’s Eagles: The Luftwaffe 1933–45

Now, if you were looking for books about various parts of the Luftwaffe, I can be of more help!


message 1476: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (last edited Aug 02, 2022 02:21PM) (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments An oldie but a goodie is this book; "The German Air Force, 1933-1945: An Anatomy of Failure" by Matthew Cooper.

The German Air Force, 1933-1945 An Anatomy of Failure by Matthew Cooper The German Air Force, 1933-1945: An Anatomy of Failure by Matthew Cooper


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Perato | 231 comments What's the best book about siege of Tobruk?

Quite plenty to choose from, but I'd like some opinions if anyone have read more than one. Not sure what style I'm looking for exactly, maybe NOT something that goes too much into the bigger picture of the desert warfare.


message 1478: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments That's a hard question Perato. Maybe check a few reviews on this original classic; "Tobruk 1941" by Chester Wilmot.

Tobruk 1941 by Chester Wilmot Tobruk 1941 by Chester Wilmot

Another book that was popular in Australia, but I am slightly reluctant to recommend as its very parochial and at times a bit over the top is this book; "Tobruk" by Peter FitzSimons.

Tobruk by Peter FitzSimons Tobruk by Peter FitzSimons


message 1479: by Dipanjan (new)

Dipanjan Datta (papudips) | 44 comments I have read the second book on Tobruk. I liked it quite well.


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message 1481: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments Nice recommendation Jonny!


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Darya Silman (geothepoet) | 123 comments I am looking for an overview of American advancement in Europe, 6 June 1944-8 May 1945. I am about to finish John C. McManus's The Americans at D-Day: The American Experience at the Normandy Invasion and want a follow-up. Another of his books on D-Day doesn't have an audio version.

Important: it has to be an audio format!


message 1483: by Marc (new)

Marc | 1746 comments Perhaps the third volume in Rick Atkinson's trilogy is what you're looking for:

The Guns at Last Light The War in Western Europe, 1944-1945 (World War II Liberation Trilogy, #3) by Rick Atkinson The Guns at Last Light: The War in Western Europe, 1944-1945


message 1484: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments I'd go with Marc's recommendation.


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Darya Silman (geothepoet) | 123 comments Yes, I put it into my wish list on Audible. It's 32 h of listening!


message 1486: by Marc (new)

Marc | 1746 comments Darya Silman wrote: "Yes, I put it into my wish list on Audible. It's 32 h of listening!"

It's well worth it!


message 1487: by Lee (last edited Oct 05, 2022 07:42PM) (new)

Lee | 237 comments Darya Silman wrote: "I am looking for an overview of American advancement in Europe, 6 June 1944-8 May 1945. I am about to finish John C. McManus's [book:The Americans at D-Day: The American Experience at the Normandy ..."

I'd also go with Eisenhower's Lieutenants by Russell Weigley, and Geoffrey Perrett's There's a war to be won (covers the US Army on all fronts, so only about 1/3 is on the French campaign.


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'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments Good recommendation Lee in regard to "Eisenhower's Lieutenants" by Russell Weigley. I still have a copy of that book to read!

Eisenhower's Lieutenants The Campaign Of France And Germany, 1944-1945 by Russell F. Weigley Eisenhower's Lieutenants: The Campaign Of France And Germany, 1944-1945 by Russell F. Weigley


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Dipanjan Datta (papudips) | 44 comments Can u please suggest me any good books on Operation Carthage, the aerial campaign conducted by RAF on the gestapo headquarters in Denmark ? I also wish to know details about the destruction of a children's school in that campaign..


message 1490: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments I'm not aware of any books on the subject but hopefully someone else might come up with a few recommendations Dipanjan. I found these web sites on the subject:

https://www.peoplesmosquito.org.uk/20...

https://defense.info/williams-foundat...

Plus the movie: "The Bombardment":

https://rogersmovienation.com/2022/03...

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9170516/...


message 1491: by Dipanjan (new)

Dipanjan Datta (papudips) | 44 comments Thank you very much..


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Dipanjan Datta (papudips) | 44 comments Last night i watched the movie The Bombardment. It is an awesome movie


message 1493: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments Dipanjan wrote: "Last night i watched the movie The Bombardment. It is an awesome movie"

It is a pretty good movie. Glad to hear you enjoyed it.


message 1494: by Marc (new)

Marc | 1746 comments Dipanjan wrote: "Can u please suggest me any good books on Operation Carthage, the aerial campaign conducted by RAF on the gestapo headquarters in Denmark ? I also wish to know details about the destruction of a ch..."

This book might be what you're looking for:

Sixth Floor The Danish Resistance Movement and the RAF Raid on Gestapo Headquarters March 1 by Robin Reilly Sixth Floor: The Danish Resistance Movement and the RAF Raid on Gestapo Headquarters March 1


message 1495: by Dj (new)

Dj | 2295 comments Darya Silman wrote: "I am looking for an overview of American advancement in Europe, 6 June 1944-8 May 1945. I am about to finish John C. McManus's [book:The Americans at D-Day: The American Experience at the Normandy ..."

I am not sure of the audio aspect, but if it is you might try Eisenhower's Lieutenants


message 1496: by Dj (new)

Dj | 2295 comments Dipanjan wrote: "Can u please suggest me any good books on Operation Carthage, the aerial campaign conducted by RAF on the gestapo headquarters in Denmark ? I also wish to know details about the destruction of a ch..."

My Google search came up with

https://openlibrary.org/books/OL20960... a book, but they don't have one in stock.


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Alyssa Allen | 6 comments I'm looking for a book on the battle of Budapest between Russia and Germany in Dec 1944. Anyone know of a good read? I'm currently reading Inferno by Max Hastings. He touched on it, but I want more info!


message 1498: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 19985 comments Alyssa wrote: "I'm looking for a book on the battle of Budapest between Russia and Germany in Dec 1944. Anyone know of a good read? I'm currently reading Inferno by Max Hastings. He touched on it, but I want more..."

Hi Alyssa,

Check these books out:

The Siege of Budapest One Hundred Days in World War II by Krisztián Ungváry The Siege of Budapest: One Hundred Days in World War II by Krisztián Ungváry

Days of Battle Armoured Operations North of the River Danube, Hungary 1944-45 by Norbert Számvéber Days of Battle: Armoured Operations North of the River Danube, Hungary 1944-45 by Norbert Számvéber

The Sword Behind the Shield A Combat History of the German Efforts to Relieve Budapest 1945 - Operation 'konrad' I, III, III by Norbert Számvéber The Sword Behind the Shield: A Combat History of the German Efforts to Relieve Budapest 1945 - Operation 'konrad' I, III, III by Norbert Számvéber


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Jerome Otte | 808 comments Alyssa wrote: "I'm looking for a book on the battle of Budapest between Russia and Germany in Dec 1944. Anyone know of a good read? I'm currently reading Inferno by Max Hastings. He touched on it, but I want more..."

There's also this:

Take Budapest The Struggle for Hungary, Autumn 1944 by Kamen Nevenkin by Kamen Nevenkin


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Alyssa Allen | 6 comments Thanks so much!


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