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P.S. If they did go back in time to save Harry's parents they would have to spin and spin and spin, for the Time Turner works by hours. Plus if they did go back in time they would have to wait until present day to come into reality, otherwise there would be more than one Harry or Hermione, etc. Then they would have to spend all that time in a different time growing older and everything.





if they did, there would be no series! duh.

I also noticed something in Deathly Hallows but I'm not sure if it's a flaw.
Harry mentioned (I think it's before Fleur and Bill's wedding at Ron's bedroom) that the Horcrux can be destroyed like what happened on Tom Riddle's diary by using the basilisk fangs. Ron even mentioned that they've got loads of them and glad that he can finally use them. But then, after finally finding some Horcruxes, they somewhat forgot that they can use basilisk fangs. I was thinking about using them. I even wished that I could talk to them that they could use it. It's just impossible that Harry, Ron and Hermoine forgot all about them because they're thinking hard during those times.
That's not a flaw either. Ron is joking when he says they have a large supply of basilisk fangs! The only basilisk fangs around at that time were those on the dead basilisk in the chamber at Hogwarts. Ron and Hermione go to the Chamber of Secrets once they get to Hogwarts at the end of the book so that they can get fangs to destroy the cup. They didn't forget and before that time there was no way for them to access basilisk fangs.

Hermione mentions that you mustn't meddle with time, if Sirius dies, it is his fate to die and by saving him you could have a worse effect on the future, it is possible maybe Dumbledore dies, not allowing Harry to figure out he had to destroy the Horcruxes, or Hermione may die, in which they won't realise to use the sword of Godric Gryffindor or find what can destroy a horcrux. By saving Sirius and CHANGING fate by meddling with time, this may cause a worse outcome, this is the same for going back to save all of the other characters aswell.. If it was their fate to be saved, you'd see a second Harry save the person who dies, or you won't see who saves them, in which you could travel back in time and wait to find out who did, AND THEN if no-oen will save them, that is the time for you to realise you used a timeturner to save them. Do you get it?

It all happened for a reason. Everyone who died, such as Dumbledore and Snape, were killed for a reason. We find out that Dumbledore had a curse that was going to kill him anyways, so he wanted Snape to finish him off quickly to keep Harry angry with him, and to please the death eaters/Voldemort. When Snape dies, we find out that he really WASN'T the bad guy, because of the memories he left for Harry to see. I thought the whole thing was brilliant. When Snape killed Dumbledore I had no idea how he was going to come back from that and through the twist and turns of the plot, J.K made it work. Still blows my mind! so, in a nutshell what I'm trying to get at here, J.K could have written in the time-turners saving everyones life, but I think the way she did choose to write it really kept the storyline interesting, and to quote Kathryn- I also agree that " JK probably didn't want to use them as major tools in the books following Book 3 because it would open up too many "gray areas" and questions; she probably didn't want time-travel to detract from the basis of the story"

When I read the third book, I got the feeling that the Time Turner was used only when it had been used..."
Well said at the end there! I agree that the message is some things are inevitable! death is one of them. I love the way JKR made the story flow.

Second, while I cede the difficulty/nigh-impossibility of traveling back to any time to enact great change, I cannot see why they didn't use a TT to save Sirius from falling into the mirror. Like with Sirius and Buckbeak in book 3, all it would have taken is Harry standing in front of the mirror with the invisibility cloak, and both time perspectives would have been maintained without violation! Just some thoughts... great to post here!

I totally agree with Palice about the dead not wanting to come back. Despite how much Sirius loved harry, his afterlife would be served honourably with James and Lily - his best friends.

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I also agree with Aimee's comment.
haha I'm reading everyone's comments, and this is deep stuff, isn't it? so cool.
I agree with anyone who's mentioned the circle thing...you'd know if you were supposed to go back in time, because it would have already happened! it's all really convoluted.
I agree with anyone who's mentioned the circle thing...you'd know if you were supposed to go back in time, because it would have already happened! it's all really convoluted.

You know how in "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaba..."
I know it would have been great if all of them were saved but remember it would take too many swings to go back in the past. To go back to where Harry's parents were being killed would be like 10000 swings or something. And then the person can't come back cuz it will be too long.
Also time ought not to be meddled with!



Also, if Voldemort had been killed easily, it would've undermined the message of how we need friends to help us defeat out demons, how we don't have to face the big battles alone. Everybody has a big battle to face, and oftentimes, if we just look, we're not the only ones going through those same troubles.
The other deaths that using the Time-Turner could have also prevented each had a message as well. Most of these were to illustrate the awful unnecessary deaths that every war brings. Not even magic can prevent extraneous death brought by war.

The butterfly effect, you never know what 1 thing changing will change in the future, it's very commonly explained through-out life. When it's your time to die, it's your time to die. That's it, clocks run-out. Some people believe even if you could cheat death he would catch up with you, and some believe that going back in time and righting all their wrongs would be the right thing to do. It's not right to mess with what's done, I think in heroes season 4 it's best described, small butterflies will have seemingly no effect, the larger the situation the bigger the difference in life. Overall in this rant and rave it's the balance of the space-time continuum, and that time turner was obviously put away after book 3 and not taken back out for a reason. These people were wizards, beyond genius' level. They know not to mess with that sort of thing.

I also believe that makes sense, It's like saying, why did that cartoon get up after he was smashed with the anvil? SHUT UP AND ENJOY THE ENTERTAINMENT

Time Turners were never supposed to be used to change time in a major way. I think it was Hermione that tells Harry and Ron about the horrible things that happened when wizards tried to change their past. I think that the time travel in the 3rd book was done under very unique circumstances.
The plot hole that is driving me nuts is the House Elf Conundrum.
Think about it. Voldemort is completely unaware of house elves and his magic and the Death Eater's magic doesn't affect them. Why didn't Dumbledore just send a couple of the many house elves working in the castle to retrieve the horcruxes, go down to the chamber and destroy them, and avada kadavra Harry once to get that horcrux? Then he could just go out and kill Voldemort.



Its just an idea but to stop Voldemort from killing all those people one would have to go way back maybe when he came first time to Hogwarts because we know he killed even when he was in the school.
& if that would have happened there would have been no Harry. because in absence of voldemort there would have been no death eaters and may be Snape would not have indulged in the dark arts or had friends who were death eaters and would have remained good friend of Lily which might had resulted in them being together rather than Lily with James (As one of the main reason Lily stops being with Snape is his fascination for dark arts). Then Harry Potter 'The Boy who Lived' would have been the boy who wasn't born (Unfortunately). Everything happens for a reason they say.....

I'm not saying that all the problems could have magically (no pun intended) been solved by house elves. But I think that the protections that L.V. put in place to guard his horcruxes did not stop elves. We know, from the 6th book, that L.V. did not even consider the possibilities of underage wizards or elves retrieving his horcruxes because the enchantment on the boat that guarded the locket did not stop underage wizards or elves. Dumbledore knew or suspected as much because he allowed Harry to accompany him. In the last book Dobby is able to save Harry and co from the Malfoy Manor because he is a house elf, despite the enchantments the death eaters have placed on the grounds.
So, AD knew, or highly suspected that the horcruxes would not guard against elves.
That being said, I love the books. And also, that comment was meant as a JOKE (I thought Dumbledore killing Harry made that obvious). There is a VERY good reason why JKR did not wrap up the series by sending Dobby out on an adventure.


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Love the enthusiasm! :)


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Luckily, time travel in Harry Potter doesn’t exactly work that way. The time traveler cannot change the past because what is experienced in the past has already been changed.
So the Ministry would be unable to go back in time and destroy Voldemort unless they already went back in time and destroyed Voldemort, thus negating the need to do so.
You know how in "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" (Book 3), Hermione uses the "Time Turner" to go back in time to save Sirius from being caught and Buckbeak from being executed? Well, why didn't they just use the Time Turner to save Sirius' life in Book 5? Or Dumbledore in Book 6? Or Lupin, Tonks, Mad-Eye, Ted, and Fred in Book 7? Or Harry's parents from being killed by Voldemort in the very beginning?? They could have even killed Voldemort himself waaaay sooner had they just used that device!! It just doesn't make any sense. I mean, how could J.K. use it in Book 3 but then forget all about it in all the other books? Are there rules about the Time Turner that I just missed? Or is this an overlooked flaw in the plan? If it IS a flaw, well that's just lame; so many character's lives could have been saved! But, I suppose I could understand how the author of such a long and complex story could let a few details slip through the cracks. The story has so much going on that it must be awful trying to balance and straighten all the facts in 7 lengthy books! But I am sure she gets thousands of emails daily interrogating her about those things--hopefully she hooks people up with answers and works hard for those billions she rakes in every year! Damn I hope I can write something that successful someday and damn I hope I don't overlook anything; I would hate to have some chick writing about some flaw in my story! Yikes
PS I still love the Harry Potter series enormously and loved how the series concluded with Deathly Hallows! Although I would love to know more about what happens to all the characters when they grow up...