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Alex or Julian???

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message 1101: by Aliyah (new) - rated it 5 stars

Aliyah Alex Forever.come on Lena thought about him even when she was with Julian.Alex's supposed death hardened Lena but Alex hardened in prison.I think even though they changed they will fall in love all over again.I love Alex(swoon).


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Sheyenne Sheathes ;) wrote: "Aria wrote: "Seriously? How can some people say "I hope Julian dies so she'll end up with Alex" or "Julian needs to die because Alex is so much better!" Are you kidding me! Alex or Julian whoever L..."

Exactly!!! But Lena was the one who was like well he's dead whatever hi Julian! So poor Alex came back expecting a happy reunion and found her making out some loser GOD it makes me SO mad GRRRRRR!!!!!!


message 1103: by B.L. (last edited Sep 29, 2012 03:07PM) (new)

B.L. Jones STOP BULLYING JULIAN, he has done nothing but fall in love with a girl, it's not HIS fault that Alex is back, and in a seemingly pissy mood i might add ;) plus i dont think Lauren oliver would add a new love interest for Alex if him and Lena were 'mean to be' blah blah blah. True they had a great love 'thingy' (i use that word because i think it fits the idea of teen love;).

But i read a review of Requiem and it said that Lena was having trouble dealing with NOT being loved by Alex and LOVING Julian. I'm not saying for sure that Alex and lena wont happen but it just seems awfully unlikely by this point, don't die Alex fans all shall be well......possibly ;) xxx


Carolina Lenasheathes wrote: "Sheyenne Sheathes ;) wrote: "Aria wrote: "Seriously? How can some people say "I hope Julian dies so she'll end up with Alex" or "Julian needs to die because Alex is so much better!" Are you kidding..."


yeah, but it also says: "newcomer Coral, who is a rival for Alex's love," why would be Coral a rival if Lena doesn´t loves him? just saying...


message 1105: by B.L. (last edited Sep 29, 2012 04:55PM) (new)

B.L. Jones Carolina wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Sheyenne Sheathes ;) wrote: "Aria wrote: "Seriously? How can some people say "I hope Julian dies so she'll end up with Alex" or "Julian needs to die because Alex is so much bet..."

Lena is a love rival because she wants Alex to love her, not because she's still hopelessly in love with him. Sorry but its true. xxx


Carolina BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Carolina wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Sheyenne Sheathes ;) wrote: "Aria wrote: "Seriously? How can some people say "I hope Julian dies so she'll end up with Alex" or "Julian needs to die because Al..."
But why would she want him to love her if she doesn't love her? And by the way, it also says that there's a love triangle and i don't think that with love triangle it refers to a love triangle with Alex confused betwing Lena or Cora... i don't know... .It is just so confusing and It doesn't make any sense! I think we are not getting at any point here, i mean... Is Lauren Oliver... LENA COULD END UP WITH HUNTER OR WITH HANA'S FIANCÉ! Everything is possible here. P.S: i don't have anything against Julian, actually, i'll be really happy of he ends up with her... But also if she ends up with Alex. I love them both. P.S2: sorry if i have some misspeling;i'm mexican.


message 1107: by Clary (new) - rated it 2 stars

Clary A Carolina wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Sheyenne Sheathes ;) wrote: "Aria wrote: "Seriously? How can some people say "I hope Julian dies so she'll end up with Alex" or "Julian needs to die because Alex is so much bet..."

how could you say that Lena doesn't love Alex anymore?
have you read requiem?


message 1108: by Carolina (last edited Sep 29, 2012 08:59PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Carolina Clary wrote: "Carolina wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Sheyenne Sheathes ;) wrote: "Aria wrote: "Seriously? How can some people say "I hope Julian dies so she'll end up with Alex" or "Julian needs to die because Al..."

Nope, i haven't (i wish i had) and i didn't say she didn't love him. There's a review that says something about a love triangle... So i think Lena stills loving Alex or something like that... BUT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHO LOVES WHO!!! SO DON'T LISTEN TO ME!!! I'M JUST GUESSING


message 1109: by B.L. (last edited Oct 01, 2012 10:55AM) (new)

B.L. Jones Carolina wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Carolina wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Sheyenne Sheathes ;) wrote: "Aria wrote: "Seriously? How can some people say "I hope Julian dies so she'll end up with Alex" or "Julian n..."

Nah your spelling is better than mine and im from England ;) xxx


message 1110: by [deleted user] (new)

I just want Alex but Lena doesn't deserve him she had compleatly no faith but i blame most of it on raven too but I think Lena will end up with Alex because I think Julian was just someone to help with Alex being gone ( sorry bridieJDRAGON u seem really awsome) and now that Alex is back she will realize why she loved him and go back to Alex


Carolina BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Carolina wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Carolina wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Sheyenne Sheathes ;) wrote: "Aria wrote: "Seriously? How can some people say "I hope Julian dies so she'll end up with A..."

Oh, thankyou :D and you're from England? That's cool! :)


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I have awful spelling too ;)


Carolina Lenasheathes wrote: "I just want Alex but Lena doesn't deserve him she had compleatly no faith but i blame most of it on raven too but I think Lena will end up with Alex because I think Julian was just someone to help ..."

Exactly... I really love Julian but things were just different between him and Lena... Lena and Julian needed to be loved because they were going through a tough moment... I just hope Lauren Oliver made the right decision that won't dissapoint anyone and she didn't kill any of the boys because i so love them!


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B.L. Jones Carolina wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Carolina wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Carolina wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Sheyenne Sheathes ;) wrote: "Aria wrote: "Seriously? How can some people say "I hope Julian dies s..."

HA ha you say that but you dont have to live here, i live in Bristol, where chavs roam the streets and the weather is more bipolar than a mental health patient. My country is mental,shitty, weird as feck, and as for the PEOPLE well, they are all those things and SO much more, i like to think we're so crap that we're brilliant. Mentalistically brilliantly crap, England in a nut shell ;) xxx


message 1115: by B.L. (new)

B.L. Jones Lenasheathes wrote: "I have awful spelling too ;)"

It's because my keyboard hates me, it really does. Bridie+machines(or anything that requires skill really)=no...no...shit...feck...she's mental....dont let her touch it....BOOM....oh...oh, you let her touch it, shit just got real! ;) xxx


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BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "I have awful spelling too ;)"

It's because my keyboard hates me, it really does. Bridie+machines(or anything that requires skill really)=no...no...shit...feck...she's mental....."


Lol sounds like me


message 1117: by B.L. (new)

B.L. Jones Lenasheathes wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "I have awful spelling too ;)"

It's because my keyboard hates me, it really does. Bridie+machines(or anything that requires skill really)=no...no...shit....."


Then we came from the same mentalistic egg my fwend ;) xxx


message 1118: by Alyssa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Alyssa Carlson I Love Alex. Lena fell in love with him easily. I think she doesnt really love Julian she just wants love. If she tak Alex. I am.


message 1119: by Alyssa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Alyssa Carlson *doesnt take


message 1120: by [deleted user] (new)

BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "I have awful spelling too ;)"

It's because my keyboard hates me, it really does. Bridie+machines(or anything that requires skill rea..."


Lol I am a sucky speller and I'm American and I'm taking Spanish and I'm like getting bad grades cuz I cant spell in Spanish let alone my own laungage ;)


message 1121: by Sarah (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sarah Absolutely Alex.


Carolina Lenasheathes wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "I have awful spelling too ;)"

It's because my keyboard hates me, it really does. Bridie+machines(or anything t..."


You speak Spanish? :O


message 1123: by [deleted user] (new)

I love Alex...and I'm not very happy that Lena had written him off as dead. When she saw what her society was capable of with holding her mother prisoner and allowing her to believe she was dead. It is truly Lena's fault we have to have this debate. I say Alex based on all logic. There is a part of me though that say's Julian though, because what will Alex be like now that he was held captive? Will Alex even want anything to do with Lena now that he has busted her with Julian in their embrace? It will be interesting to see what the next book will hold!


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Carolina wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "I have awful spelling too ;)"

It's because my keyboard hates me, it really does. Bridie+m..."


Ha!! That's funny no. I take Spanish as a class at my school and I have no idea of what half the teacher is saying


message 1125: by Emi (new) - rated it 3 stars

Emi B I never really liked Julian very much. TEAM ALEX


message 1126: by B.L. (new)

B.L. Jones Lenasheathes wrote: "Carolina wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "I have awful spelling too ;)"

It's because my keyboard hates me, it real..."


I took German and, no offense to German people, but your language is fucking hilarious, i swear th person who came up with it must have been a bit pisse at the time. I got C in my GCSE's as well, now im in College and i dont have to take it ever again, yay me! xxx


Carolina Lenasheathes wrote: "Carolina wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "I have awful spelling too ;)"

It's because my keyboard hates me, it real..."


I CAN HELP YOU! lol. and it's not that difficult.. well, maybe a little...


Carolina BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Carolina wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "I have awful spelling too ;)"

It's because my keybo..."


hahaha, my brother knows german and he says that is not that difficult if you know english


message 1129: by anj (new) - rated it 4 stars

anj Julian with all of my heart!!! He didn't let Lena think he was dead and then come back and act like a jerk.


message 1130: by B.L. (last edited Oct 06, 2012 04:52PM) (new)

B.L. Jones It wasn't difficult I just thought the language was frigging hilarious, I mean speck is bacon, I love all things mental but my teacher ruined it by being a crazy frizzy goblin of anger, example I once got a suspended by her FOR LAUGHING! no joke people because no fun is allowed in a place of boredom, sorry wait I meant 'learning' ;) xxx


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Anjali wrote: "Julian with all of my heart!!! He didn't let Lena think he was dead and then come back and act like a jerk."

I don't think that is very fair Anjali, Alex was being held as a prisoner in the crypts...not hiding out acting dead! lol


message 1132: by anj (new) - rated it 4 stars

anj True but what he said at the end made it seem like he didnt want her happy. She had every right to fall in love again because she though Alex was dead.


message 1133: by Chris (new) - rated it 5 stars

Chris Campbell I was so upset the way the first book ended. Happy ever afters are not as interesting I know, but hated that Alex was seemingly dead. That said, Julian seemed to fit so much better with Lena than Alex did. And she even mentions in Pandemonium that she felt a comfort with Julian that she never felt with Alex. I was hoping, while reading Pandemonium in the early chapters, that Alex hadn't died. It was in meeting Julian though that I felt like Lena had met her soul mate in him more so than Alex. I loved Julian's character and destiny brought them together in this story...I hope it doesn't tear them apart!


message 1134: by [deleted user] (new)

Anjali wrote: "Julian with all of my heart!!! He didn't let Lena think he was dead and then come back and act like a jerk."

I don't think that's fair I mean for one he was in the crypts, and Len was the one who gave up and stopped hoping its not like Alex wanted to seem dead and also he wasn't acting like a jerk he was just pissed to see the love of his life kissing someone else I mean wouldn't you be??


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Anjali wrote: "True but what he said at the end made it seem like he didnt want her happy. She had every right to fall in love again because she though Alex was dead."

It's not that he was just angry and I course he wants her to be happy it's Alex and sure she does have a right too fall in love but she shouldn't have given up like that she should've had more faith that he wasn't dead


message 1136: by [deleted user] (new)

Chris wrote: "I was so upset the way the first book ended. Happy ever afters are not as interesting I know, but hated that Alex was seemingly dead. That said, Julian seemed to fit so much better with Lena than..."

I disagree with you. I personally think that Lena shouldn't have believed he was dead (I didn't) and should've gone looking for him. I didn't think that she was really in love with Julian, I think she was hurting over Alex, and Julian was there and they were in a confined space for a long period of time. I didn't think they really got to know eachother like Lena and Alex did. Julian was just a way to fill the hole in Lena's heart while Alex was gone, Nd Lex is back so I don't see why julian needs to be in the picture anymore.


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Lenasheathes wrote: "Chris wrote: "I was so upset the way the first book ended. Happy ever afters are not as interesting I know, but hated that Alex was seemingly dead. That said, Julian seemed to fit so much better ..."
I agree I think Julian was the rebound guy that she went through a traumatic experience with and therefore thought she had feelings for. What Alex and Lena had was the real deal.


message 1138: by [deleted user] (last edited Oct 06, 2012 05:38PM) (new)

Nichole wrote: "I love Alex...and I'm not very happy that Lena had written him off as dead. When she saw what her society was capable of with holding her mother prisoner and allowing her to believe she was dead. I..."


I agree with u Alex 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was SO mad when Lena believed he was dead, I kept hoping and eventully gussed the ending!!!!!!! I also partly blame 2 other people Hana and raven. raven because she was the one like living on the words the past is gone bla bla And Lena believed that and I think that's partly why she fell for julian and Hana well because (I'm not gonna say because it would spoil the ending of Hana but if uv read the book u'll no what I mean)


message 1139: by Chris (new) - rated it 5 stars

Chris Campbell How many first loves end in forever love? Just because Alex was the first love it doesn't logically mean that he was The One Love for Lena. I like both characters, even though Julian won me over. It will be interesting to see how the author chooses to end it.


message 1140: by Rachel (new) - rated it 4 stars

Rachel Baang Well, I don't want to set aside Alex for some reasons, so does Julian. Both have distinctive approach and touched Lena's life in a different way, of manner and situation. Although, Lena loved Alex so much and that love provokes her to love Julian too (We all know, to her, Alex is dead, and she's facing the guilt of not trying to protect the people she loves). I don't know what the author is trying to do about them, but it leaves me lots of expectations for the third book! :)


message 1141: by [deleted user] (new)

Hey Nicole would like to be ur friend but not allowed to be friends with ppl I don't know in real life srry :(


message 1142: by [deleted user] (last edited Oct 07, 2012 07:32AM) (new)

Chris wrote: "How many first loves end in forever love? Just because Alex was the first love it doesn't logically mean that he was The One Love for Lena. I like both characters, even though Julian won me over...."

Well you have a point but I felt that Lena's relationship with Julian wasn't real or genuine, it felt fake to me, and you also have to keep in mind that julians affection for her came out of curiousity, becuase he had never spoken to or touched let alone kissed another girl before.


message 1143: by [deleted user] (new)

No problem Lenasheathes...If you were my son I would have the same rule! : )


message 1144: by [deleted user] (new)

Lenasheathes wrote: "Nichole wrote: "I love Alex...and I'm not very happy that Lena had written him off as dead. When she saw what her society was capable of with holding her mother prisoner and allowing her to believe..."
Yeah...I had already figured out it was Hana's fault before reading Hana, but it gave me confirmation!


message 1145: by [deleted user] (new)

Chris wrote: "How many first loves end in forever love? Just because Alex was the first love it doesn't logically mean that he was The One Love for Lena. I like both characters, even though Julian won me over...."
Well Spoiler alert I have read that in the next book there will be a new character competing for the affections of Alex.


message 1146: by [deleted user] (new)

soo...Hana is the one wo told on Lena?? really??


message 1147: by B.L. (new)

B.L. Jones Lenasheathes wrote: "Chris wrote: "How many first loves end in forever love? Just because Alex was the first love it doesn't logically mean that he was The One Love for Lena. I like both characters, even though Julia..."

True but you could say the same thing about Lena and Alex, she'd never talked to another boy before, just saying.


message 1148: by anj (new) - rated it 4 stars

anj Lenasheathes wrote: "Anjali wrote: "Julian with all of my heart!!! He didn't let Lena think he was dead and then come back and act like a jerk."

I don't think that's fair I mean for one he was in the crypts, and Len w..."


I would but when Lena was with Julian she didn't want to fall in love again but it just happened.


message 1149: by Chris (new) - rated it 5 stars

Chris Campbell BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Chris wrote: "How many first loves end in forever love? Just because Alex was the first love it doesn't logically mean that he was The One Love for Lena. I like both characte..."

Bridie you beat me to the draw.....I was going to mention the same thing that you just did. Lena was on the same end as Julian when she met Alex.


message 1150: by [deleted user] (new)

I love them both, I really honestly do. But of course there is only one for Lena, and I am going to have to say that I'm Team Alex on that matter. No matter how much she loves Julian, there will always be a part of her heart that is reserved for her first love, which of course is Alex. Even though a ton of stuff has changed with Lena and Alex, and they are both probably different people than they were when they met and fell in love, in my mind they will always be meant for each other. I hope Alex didn't get the cure or doesn't hater Lena and he still loves her because if he doesn't I WILL DIE INSIDE. Lena's love with Julian WAS natural and she truly did love him. But Alex was always there, lingering at the back of her mind, and maybe if he didn't come back, she could've tried to let him go completely. But now that's back, a huge part of him will always be with her and things can never go back to being the way they were with Lena and Julian, and with Lena and Alex. I don't want Julian to die alone, so I'm kind of hoping that Hana will steal his heart. :)


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