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Alex or Julian???
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let's all promise something to each other though, that we will not start this "team" crap because i can't stand that to be honest

yeaaaah, i agree with you there! i'm sortof torn between the two for the same reasons...

THEY'RE BOTH SO PERFECT I CAN'T

I was just like "don't be a whore, Lena. It's only been 6 months."
I was screaming at my book, guys.
Alex all the way.
Even though h..."
I agree with u. ALEX ALL THE WAY.
Feñaa wrote: "msprongs wrote: "I found myself pissed at Julian during the majority of the book.
I was just like "don't be a whore, Lena. It's only been 6 months."
I was screaming at my book, guys.
Alex all the w..."
Exactly! That's exactly how I felt go Alex!!!!!!!!
I was just like "don't be a whore, Lena. It's only been 6 months."
I was screaming at my book, guys.
Alex all the w..."
Exactly! That's exactly how I felt go Alex!!!!!!!!

>Pandemonium... WHY LENA ..."
I felt the exact same way! WHY LENA, WHY?!


Feñaa wrote: "Haylee' Marie wrote: ">Delirium... OMG!! ALEX HE WAS THE BEST MOST SWEEETEST GUY IN THIS BOOK AND LAUREN OLIVER WHY WOULD U DO THIS *i said this in tears* PLEASE COME BACK PLEASE,PLEASE PLEASE
>P..."
Exactly!!! Len screwed up so bad!!!!!
>P..."
Exactly!!! Len screwed up so bad!!!!!

Aggh! I feel exactly the same way, yet also exactly the opposite. I loved Alex the first moment I read about him, and I wasn't able to connect to Julian at all, making reading Pandemonium a stressful struggle (uh, Julian and Lena kissing? Eww!), and I was going insane over how Lena could just forget about her first love, the guy who'd supposedly die for her, so easily, but also the opposite is true. Alex does seem to be crazy different in the last page, and that led me to wonder, could his appearance be the window to his insides? Could he really be a different guy than before? If this is true, then I hate to say it, but I'm still all for Alex! There's just something about Julian that always leaves me with this mutual hatred of him that I can't explain. I just do. I spent a long time thinking about this and it's totally eating me up inside. Like what Alex said on the last page, "Don't believe her." Don't believe what? Don't believe who? Does he still love Lena?? It drives me totally insane! Also, you have to consider this is not all Lena, Lena, Lena!
Alex probably went through hell in the Crypts! What do we know about him? He could be so wounded he can't even open himself up to love again, but if Lena loves him, maybe in time, it will happen. Or maybe he's angry. He did tell Lena to run, but did he expect her to save him? Or maybe he's sad to know that Lena has fallen in love again, or the opposite, happy to know she has found a way to survive without him.
And Julian has got to be caught up in this too. I mean, he assumed Alex was dead, right? Much as I dislike him, I know he's not the type of person who dates another guy's girl behind his back. So he must be feeling equally conflicted and confused.
Meanwhile, I hate that Julian and Lena are even in love in the first place. I really, really, REALLY hate situations where two people are taken as prisoners and fall in love. It's so stupid, like being trapped together makes it mandatory to fall in love, to rely on one another. It drives me absolutely insane. I felt the same way when I was reading The Hunger Games because Katniss was forced to fall in love with Peeta for the sake of her life and ended up with him (and yeah, I was Team Gale). If anyone has noticed, the Delirium series has many aspects in common with The Hunger Games (regulators, Peacekeepers; electrified gates; strict government; dystopian future; etc.) and this just makes me even more stressed because Lena and Julian met under the same conditions Katniss and Peeta did, leading me to feel like Lena will ultimately cast Alex aside, which makes me feel absolutely horrible.
And this probably sounds plain evil, but Julian has that brain tumor thing, and he's probably going to die, considering how many surgeries he's had to undergo. So Lena and Alex may just end up together after all. But then what if Lena is so striken over that, she decides not to love Alex either? Wouldn't that be a horrible ending?!
And come on, Lena NEVER stopped loving Alex! You can say she buried the past all you want, but you can deny that Lena still loves Alex. You know it from the way she reacted to his presence, the way when she was running, she used "Alex is alive" as her mantra, the way as she was running, she believed Alex's presence was there, watching her, and someday, he would really be there (little did she know how true that was).
Alex taught Lena how to love. . . that should be important, right? He made her who she is; without him, she would have already gotten the cure by now. There would be no "new" Lena, no love.
And face it, there are endless possibilities. We are all going to be discussing this until Requiem comes out and even then, we probably won't expect how it plays out and we might not even be satisfied with the ending. But it's clear who I'm for, and that is Alex, always, forever.

Agree 100%. Alex would have fought, fought, fought for their love, all the way!!!

I know, that is a mystery to me. If you don't like one of the main characters, doesn't that make you just want to close the book and stop reading? I know I would. It would bug me to the extent that I couldn't possibly read any longer. I probably wouldn't have finished reading Pandemonium anyway, but then I accidentally read the last few words on the last page of Pandemonium when I was looking at how many pages it had and I freaked when I realized what I'd saw. I immediately emailed my BFF, and we thought that he actually came back from the dead, but she said maybe he was never really dead and stuff, and I really want her to read Delirium, but she's so busy. . .
Anyway, I love Alex!!!

>Pandemonium... WHY LENA ..."
Yes!!! This is totally how I felt!!!

Omigosh, I cried at the end of both books too. I know, right? Lauren Oliver and her cliffhangers. . .

Me too a hundred and one percent!


I think we're twins. Every thing you just said was in my brain. And I'm Team Gale too!! I HATE when the two people fall in love from the whole trapped-in-somewhere-we-were-forced-to-be too!! Wouldn't it be SOOO much cuter if they became best friends and they could still count on each other and Julian wouldn't do the creepy lift up your shirt I wanna see thing?? And then Alex could come back and be jealous for no reason putting everyone in an awkward position bit THEN Lena and Alex get together and alls well that ends well?!?! That would be AWESOME.

ALEX! I need Lena to pick ALEX! when Lena was with ALex i felt some sort of connection, but with Julian i didnt feel the same way.But dont get me wrong i still like Julian. :)

True she did feel more for Julian than Alex but the author loves to mess with our minds...i LOVE ALEX 100%
i feel as if Julian took her heart like literallly TOOK IT

he probably was in pain, agony wanting Lena so bad
when he found out the SHOCKING lena and julian mess
he could have been choked on words all he could say was Dont Believe Her he wanted her back and this was how he found her
yes though she thought he was dead...so wat! he sacrificed his life for u...u did not see him die either
through the entire book MAINLY you told yourself HE IS NOT DEAD...WOOP TE DOO here comes our little Julian who came and they got to get to know each other in a cell for idk how many days, hours, weeks
got got close and Lena wanted some one else to love so she wouldnt think of alex but that didnt work she was comparing alex and julian...yes alex and her had a bad start with the 'invalid' problem and julian and her just clicked
but love has its ups and downs, good and bad, and thats alex who SHE SHOULD END UP WITH
#3RD BOOK BETTER COME OUT SOON!!! :o






I know right! In the Hunger Games, I think it's way sadder because Katniss totally forgets about Gale and they go their separate ways. What if that happens to Lena and Alex?!

Who cares about his "eyes"? Alex's hair is fiercly awesome!!! Who's with me?

Who cares about his "eyes"? Alex's hair is fiercly awesome!!! Who's with me?"
I care...obviously! ;) Its not that i like Julian more its just that i never really thought of Alex as anything special either, if were basing it on looks then blue eyes just get to me, and if we're basing it on personality then honestly we dont really know enough about EITHER of them to judge that. All we know is they've both had a rough time of it, and would both give up everything for Lena, appart from that... i mean the best argument for Alex that i can see is that he taught Lena how to love, but Lena taught Julian how to love so, really, its kind of the same thing if yet in very different circumstances. People are saying that the thing she has with Julian wasnt as real as what she had with Alex but the way i see it Lena has changed A LOT since she last saw Alex so it is conceivable that Julian knows more about the current Lena, personality-wise i mean. Also before anyone says it i think teh 'time' argument is not really fair as just because you've known someone for longer doesn't mean you now them better. This is just my opinion though, but yes Alex's hair is cool too ;) x

ALEX!!!!!! He scarcrificed HIS life and saved hers TWO FRIGGING TIMES and he showed her how to love and really live!! Julian is a stupid whiney spoiled crybaby. Think of it this way. Julian has seizers, he is rushed to the hospital. Alex has seizures, and he is left to die. Lena screwed up so bad with julian and she BETTER end up wih alex I was so pissed and heartbroken in both endings!!!!!!!!

He escaped.
Why would he escape is he was cured?"
I'm sure he would want to escape the Crypts whether he was cured or not, since they..."
I understand that anyone would want to escape the Crypts, but the fact that Alex went to find Lena has to mean that he wasn't cured. I mean what are the chances that he just ended up where she was? Even if he hated her it means that he cared enough to find her which shows that he couldn't have been cured.

nothing changes the fact that alex and lena have more then unfinished business with each other. not that lena shouldn't be happy, but i was never really OK with her becoming so fond of Julian in the first place knowing that Alex's "death" was so fresh. But that fact that he is now ALIVE, well lets just say that should change EVERYTHING!
I think that Lena is going to have to fight for his love back. He must be thinking she didn't care for him as much as she acted if it was so easy for her to let him go and love another as quickly as she did.
ahhh i can't wait for the book to come out already so we can know!!! :D

anyways IM TEAM ALEX HE CAN HAVE ME lol
Somaya wrote: "I doubt Lauren will satisfy us readers. she doesnt usually do what it is thought to happen. She said its not even a love triangle i think alex is going to hate her feel betrayed, broken. lena is gn..."
Somaya ur so right... I don't think it will be happily ever after at all... 2013 COME FASTER!!!!!!
Somaya ur so right... I don't think it will be happily ever after at all... 2013 COME FASTER!!!!!!


I tottaly agree with you, I mean Julian dosen't even know what is love so, how can he be so sure about it? Maybe he dosen't love Lena...


OMG that could happen... it never crossed my mind

Except the way Alex acted at the end of Pandemonium was like he didn't care about her anymore, maybe I'm reading to much into the small paragraph, but still... Then again I didn't know that Lauren said that only one of them loves Lena so I agree with Michaela.
In the end though I think I'm still Team Alex!
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