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Alex or Julian???

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message 851: by Vale (new) - rated it 5 stars

Vale I tried to love Julian, but the truth is that I kept thinking of Alex and I'm stil on his side. I mean, he gave everything for her!


message 852: by Nicole (new)

Nicole I love Alex. I've honestly fallen for the guy. He saved Lena's life countless times. But to be totally honest, I think Lena's going to end up with Julian. I'd really rather for her to be with Alex and if that does happen, then so be it. But Julian seems to relate more to Lena tbh, and that sort of connection isn't easy to break. But then again, Alex was always there even without Lena knowing, and he will continue to always be there.

let's all promise something to each other though, that we will not start this "team" crap because i can't stand that to be honest


message 853: by Becky (new) - rated it 4 stars

Becky Nicole wrote: "I love Alex. I've honestly fallen for the guy. He saved Lena's life countless times. But to be totally honest, I think Lena's going to end up with Julian. I'd really rather for her to be with Alex ..."

yeaaaah, i agree with you there! i'm sortof torn between the two for the same reasons...


message 854: by Nicole (new)

Nicole Becky wrote: "Nicole wrote: "I love Alex. I've honestly fallen for the guy. He saved Lena's life countless times. But to be totally honest, I think Lena's going to end up with Julian. I'd really rather for her t..."

THEY'RE BOTH SO PERFECT I CAN'T


message 855: by [deleted user] (new)

ALEX ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!


Melissa I love Julian! But it may change depending on Requiem.


Fernanda msprongs wrote: "I found myself pissed at Julian during the majority of the book.
I was just like "don't be a whore, Lena. It's only been 6 months."
I was screaming at my book, guys.
Alex all the way.
Even though h..."


I agree with u. ALEX ALL THE WAY.


message 858: by [deleted user] (new)

Feñaa wrote: "msprongs wrote: "I found myself pissed at Julian during the majority of the book.
I was just like "don't be a whore, Lena. It's only been 6 months."
I was screaming at my book, guys.
Alex all the w..."


Exactly! That's exactly how I felt go Alex!!!!!!!!


Fernanda Haylee' Marie wrote: ">Delirium... OMG!! ALEX HE WAS THE BEST MOST SWEEETEST GUY IN THIS BOOK AND LAUREN OLIVER WHY WOULD U DO THIS *i said this in tears* PLEASE COME BACK PLEASE,PLEASE PLEASE

>Pandemonium... WHY LENA ..."


I felt the exact same way! WHY LENA, WHY?!


Evdoxiak. I'm not against Julian, but in a way Alex is the right for her. She was basically reborn because of him. On the other hand, Julian and Lena are both pretty new to all of these and so are kind of on the same page. But I just want Lena with Alex.


Caroline McMaster Alex for sure! Don't get me wrong, I like Julian.. I just like Alex a lot better. That ending really killed me; I can't wait to know what happens with them all in in Requiem.


message 862: by [deleted user] (new)

Feñaa wrote: "Haylee' Marie wrote: ">Delirium... OMG!! ALEX HE WAS THE BEST MOST SWEEETEST GUY IN THIS BOOK AND LAUREN OLIVER WHY WOULD U DO THIS *i said this in tears* PLEASE COME BACK PLEASE,PLEASE PLEASE

>P..."


Exactly!!! Len screwed up so bad!!!!!


message 863: by Cat (last edited Aug 10, 2012 04:06PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cat Fary wrote: "Emily wrote: "Alex Alex Alex!!! I was NOT able to connect with Julien at all! I NEED Lena to pick Alex! Lena pick Alex! i dont understand how she could forget about Alex and fall for another guy so..."

Aggh! I feel exactly the same way, yet also exactly the opposite. I loved Alex the first moment I read about him, and I wasn't able to connect to Julian at all, making reading Pandemonium a stressful struggle (uh, Julian and Lena kissing? Eww!), and I was going insane over how Lena could just forget about her first love, the guy who'd supposedly die for her, so easily, but also the opposite is true. Alex does seem to be crazy different in the last page, and that led me to wonder, could his appearance be the window to his insides? Could he really be a different guy than before? If this is true, then I hate to say it, but I'm still all for Alex! There's just something about Julian that always leaves me with this mutual hatred of him that I can't explain. I just do. I spent a long time thinking about this and it's totally eating me up inside. Like what Alex said on the last page, "Don't believe her." Don't believe what? Don't believe who? Does he still love Lena?? It drives me totally insane! Also, you have to consider this is not all Lena, Lena, Lena!
Alex probably went through hell in the Crypts! What do we know about him? He could be so wounded he can't even open himself up to love again, but if Lena loves him, maybe in time, it will happen. Or maybe he's angry. He did tell Lena to run, but did he expect her to save him? Or maybe he's sad to know that Lena has fallen in love again, or the opposite, happy to know she has found a way to survive without him.
And Julian has got to be caught up in this too. I mean, he assumed Alex was dead, right? Much as I dislike him, I know he's not the type of person who dates another guy's girl behind his back. So he must be feeling equally conflicted and confused.
Meanwhile, I hate that Julian and Lena are even in love in the first place. I really, really, REALLY hate situations where two people are taken as prisoners and fall in love. It's so stupid, like being trapped together makes it mandatory to fall in love, to rely on one another. It drives me absolutely insane. I felt the same way when I was reading The Hunger Games because Katniss was forced to fall in love with Peeta for the sake of her life and ended up with him (and yeah, I was Team Gale). If anyone has noticed, the Delirium series has many aspects in common with The Hunger Games (regulators, Peacekeepers; electrified gates; strict government; dystopian future; etc.) and this just makes me even more stressed because Lena and Julian met under the same conditions Katniss and Peeta did, leading me to feel like Lena will ultimately cast Alex aside, which makes me feel absolutely horrible.
And this probably sounds plain evil, but Julian has that brain tumor thing, and he's probably going to die, considering how many surgeries he's had to undergo. So Lena and Alex may just end up together after all. But then what if Lena is so striken over that, she decides not to love Alex either? Wouldn't that be a horrible ending?!
And come on, Lena NEVER stopped loving Alex! You can say she buried the past all you want, but you can deny that Lena still loves Alex. You know it from the way she reacted to his presence, the way when she was running, she used "Alex is alive" as her mantra, the way as she was running, she believed Alex's presence was there, watching her, and someday, he would really be there (little did she know how true that was).
Alex taught Lena how to love. . . that should be important, right? He made her who she is; without him, she would have already gotten the cure by now. There would be no "new" Lena, no love.
And face it, there are endless possibilities. We are all going to be discussing this until Requiem comes out and even then, we probably won't expect how it plays out and we might not even be satisfied with the ending. But it's clear who I'm for, and that is Alex, always, forever.


message 864: by Cat (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cat Carolyn wrote: "Alex! I feel like her "love" with Julian isn't that legit. Julian knows nothing about anything other than what the DFA has taught him and doesn't have a clue what is going on. Lena is the first gir..."

Agree 100%. Alex would have fought, fought, fought for their love, all the way!!!


message 865: by Cat (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cat Emily wrote: "I don't understand why you would read the book if you didn't even like Alex? He is a huge part of the story... so I'm just wondering how you didn't even like him in the first place?"

I know, that is a mystery to me. If you don't like one of the main characters, doesn't that make you just want to close the book and stop reading? I know I would. It would bug me to the extent that I couldn't possibly read any longer. I probably wouldn't have finished reading Pandemonium anyway, but then I accidentally read the last few words on the last page of Pandemonium when I was looking at how many pages it had and I freaked when I realized what I'd saw. I immediately emailed my BFF, and we thought that he actually came back from the dead, but she said maybe he was never really dead and stuff, and I really want her to read Delirium, but she's so busy. . .
Anyway, I love Alex!!!


message 866: by Cat (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cat Haylee' Marie wrote: ">Delirium... OMG!! ALEX HE WAS THE BEST MOST SWEEETEST GUY IN THIS BOOK AND LAUREN OLIVER WHY WOULD U DO THIS *i said this in tears* PLEASE COME BACK PLEASE,PLEASE PLEASE

>Pandemonium... WHY LENA ..."


Yes!!! This is totally how I felt!!!


message 867: by Cat (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cat Lenasheathes wrote: "Haylee' Marie ALENA wrote: ">Delirium... OMG!! ALEX HE WAS THE BEST MOST SWEEETEST GUY IN THIS BOOK AND LAUREN OLIVER WHY WOULD U DO THIS *i said this in tears* PLEASE COME BACK PLEASE,PLEASE PLEAS..."

Omigosh, I cried at the end of both books too. I know, right? Lauren Oliver and her cliffhangers. . .


message 868: by Cat (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cat Vale wrote: "I tried to love Julian, but the truth is that I kept thinking of Alex and I'm stil on his side. I mean, he gave everything for her!"

Me too a hundred and one percent!


message 869: by Cat (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cat TEAM ALEX, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARGH.


message 870: by Nicole (last edited Aug 11, 2012 05:06PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Nicole I really love Alex he is totally right for Lena.... And Lena just has to choose him!!!! But here's the thing I'm thinking t she's gonna break Alex's heart and choose Julian ( not that I didn't like Julian he's nice and all but he's no alex) because the whole moral of the book is that there is no past. So that probably means that she moved on because she thought Alex was dead so now it's her past. But personally I can't believe she just forgot aout Alex like that... I really can't wait for the third book!!!


message 871: by Bianca (new) - rated it 4 stars

Bianca Catherine wrote: "Fary wrote: "Emily wrote: "Alex Alex Alex!!! I was NOT able to connect with Julien at all! I NEED Lena to pick Alex! Lena pick Alex! i dont understand how she could forget about Alex and fall for a..."

I think we're twins. Every thing you just said was in my brain. And I'm Team Gale too!! I HATE when the two people fall in love from the whole trapped-in-somewhere-we-were-forced-to-be too!! Wouldn't it be SOOO much cuter if they became best friends and they could still count on each other and Julian wouldn't do the creepy lift up your shirt I wanna see thing?? And then Alex could come back and be jealous for no reason putting everyone in an awkward position bit THEN Lena and Alex get together and alls well that ends well?!?! That would be AWESOME.


Kristine Team Alex ALL THE WAY!!! Lena should better choose Alex! after all of the things/sacrifices he'd done for her! how could she do this! How could she ever forgot her feelings for Alex in just a couple of months?! but I don't have anything against Julian. He seems to be a nice guy. ALEX ALEX ALEX!!!


Chriselle JULIAN!


message 874: by [deleted user] (new)

ALEX! I need Lena to pick ALEX! when Lena was with ALex i felt some sort of connection, but with Julian i didnt feel the same way.But dont get me wrong i still like Julian. :)


Haylee' Marie Nic wrote: "I don't think its the fact that Lena has to choose. Don't you think Alex is gonna be mad at first, even though he told Julian not to believe her. She's not gonna just automatically choose who she w..."

True she did feel more for Julian than Alex but the author loves to mess with our minds...i LOVE ALEX 100%
i feel as if Julian took her heart like literallly TOOK IT


Haylee' Marie While Alex was in the crpyts..so what said
he probably was in pain, agony wanting Lena so bad
when he found out the SHOCKING lena and julian mess
he could have been choked on words all he could say was Dont Believe Her he wanted her back and this was how he found her
yes though she thought he was dead...so wat! he sacrificed his life for u...u did not see him die either
through the entire book MAINLY you told yourself HE IS NOT DEAD...WOOP TE DOO here comes our little Julian who came and they got to get to know each other in a cell for idk how many days, hours, weeks
got got close and Lena wanted some one else to love so she wouldnt think of alex but that didnt work she was comparing alex and julian...yes alex and her had a bad start with the 'invalid' problem and julian and her just clicked
but love has its ups and downs, good and bad, and thats alex who SHE SHOULD END UP WITH



#3RD BOOK BETTER COME OUT SOON!!! :o


Haylee' Marie it has happened sometimes i hated it! or loved it but in this case please please PLEASE LET IT BE ALEX


message 878: by Rachel (new) - rated it 4 stars

Rachel ALEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


message 879: by Ava (new)

Ava I absolutely loveeee Alex. I don't see how someone couldn't like him. He's perfect in every way and he's never hurt Lena and probably never will. I wish he was a real life person because I love him!!!! I feel that julien just won't ever amount to Alex because Alex was lenas first love and he showed her how to love. Julien,i feel, I'd naive and immature almost. He's not a bad person but I really really want Lena to end up with Alex!! It was so hard to read pandemonium with out Alex in it.


message 880: by Bo (new) - added it

Bo Julian for sure.


message 881: by B.L. (new)

B.L. Jones Julian, blue eyes win out for me every time, sorry ;) x


message 882: by Anissa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Anissa I cannot pick between the two but I have a feeling that one will die and that will determine who she "picks". Sad maybe, but plausible. I can't wait for requiem!


message 883: by Alexis (new) - rated it 5 stars

Alexis Wendle i am all for Alex, Julian was a nice guy and all but COME ON!!!!!! it's Alex! the entire time i was reading the book i was secretly screaming at her because she was giving in with Julian. I'm sorry but he was a short fix to the pain a REBOUND BUT ALEX IS THE FIRST AND ONLY LOVE THAT SHE NEEDS


Kristine ALEX ALEX ALEX !!!! XD


message 885: by Erin (new) - rated it 5 stars

Erin Alex was the on who showed her everything and pretty much died for her, and even though i like julian he just doesnt seem like the right one so im going with alex.I really hope she writes the 3rd book in a way so you like alex better than julian beacuse having to decide right now it hard.


message 886: by [deleted user] (new)

ALEX!!!!!!


message 887: by Cat (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cat Bianca wrote: "Catherine wrote: "Fary wrote: "Emily wrote: "Alex Alex Alex!!! I was NOT able to connect with Julien at all! I NEED Lena to pick Alex! Lena pick Alex! i dont understand how she could forget about ..."

I know right! In the Hunger Games, I think it's way sadder because Katniss totally forgets about Gale and they go their separate ways. What if that happens to Lena and Alex?!


message 888: by Cat (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cat BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Julian, blue eyes win out for me every time, sorry ;) x"

Who cares about his "eyes"? Alex's hair is fiercly awesome!!! Who's with me?


message 889: by B.L. (last edited Aug 17, 2012 02:29PM) (new)

B.L. Jones Catherine wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Julian, blue eyes win out for me every time, sorry ;) x"

Who cares about his "eyes"? Alex's hair is fiercly awesome!!! Who's with me?"


I care...obviously! ;) Its not that i like Julian more its just that i never really thought of Alex as anything special either, if were basing it on looks then blue eyes just get to me, and if we're basing it on personality then honestly we dont really know enough about EITHER of them to judge that. All we know is they've both had a rough time of it, and would both give up everything for Lena, appart from that... i mean the best argument for Alex that i can see is that he taught Lena how to love, but Lena taught Julian how to love so, really, its kind of the same thing if yet in very different circumstances. People are saying that the thing she has with Julian wasnt as real as what she had with Alex but the way i see it Lena has changed A LOT since she last saw Alex so it is conceivable that Julian knows more about the current Lena, personality-wise i mean. Also before anyone says it i think teh 'time' argument is not really fair as just because you've known someone for longer doesn't mean you now them better. This is just my opinion though, but yes Alex's hair is cool too ;) x


message 890: by Lily (new) - rated it 3 stars

Lily Yan ALEX. he freaking saved her life TWO times and he was her first love...usually, the character ends up with the 1st love. but awhh I feel so bad for him when he walked in on her promising Julian they would always be together... :( Was crying so hard after both endings...I need to have a sirious chat with Lauren Oliver >.<


message 891: by [deleted user] (new)

ALEX!!!!!! He scarcrificed HIS life and saved hers TWO FRIGGING TIMES and he showed her how to love and really live!! Julian is a stupid whiney spoiled crybaby. Think of it this way. Julian has seizers, he is rushed to the hospital. Alex has seizures, and he is left to die. Lena screwed up so bad with julian and she BETTER end up wih alex I was so pissed and heartbroken in both endings!!!!!!!!


message 892: by Brooke (new) - rated it 5 stars

Brooke Sarah wrote: "Courtney wrote: "I don't think Alex was cured, and here's why:
He escaped.
Why would he escape is he was cured?"

I'm sure he would want to escape the Crypts whether he was cured or not, since they..."


I understand that anyone would want to escape the Crypts, but the fact that Alex went to find Lena has to mean that he wasn't cured. I mean what are the chances that he just ended up where she was? Even if he hated her it means that he cared enough to find her which shows that he couldn't have been cured.


Danielle i think Julian is a great guy- there's nothing about him that really makes me think he wouldn't be a good choice for Lena but I still choose Alex all the way. He was her first love; a love that was ended before it even had a chance to fully bloom. And that's not to mention the sacrificing and risks Alex continuously put himself in for her. Julian is realizing now what side he's really on and he's just swept up in all these new emotions of love he was never allowed to experience or feel. I'm not saying that its not real but until they actually have TIME to let their relationship grow, his feelings have to be over-exaggerated and souped up by the whole new-to-love thing.

nothing changes the fact that alex and lena have more then unfinished business with each other. not that lena shouldn't be happy, but i was never really OK with her becoming so fond of Julian in the first place knowing that Alex's "death" was so fresh. But that fact that he is now ALIVE, well lets just say that should change EVERYTHING!

I think that Lena is going to have to fight for his love back. He must be thinking she didn't care for him as much as she acted if it was so easy for her to let him go and love another as quickly as she did.

ahhh i can't wait for the book to come out already so we can know!!! :D


message 894: by Maya (new) - added it

Maya I doubt Lauren will satisfy us readers. she doesnt usually do what it is thought to happen. She said its not even a love triangle i think alex is going to hate her feel betrayed, broken. lena is gnna be torn between the guilt over alex and not fighting or looking for him over the fresh new guilt she will have for julian. hes sick. i think both boys are honestly gonna die. i believe the main focus will be on the revolution. i think julian will die form his sickness and alex in the end will save lena and fighting for what he always believed in . we will get to know alot more of hana. and im sure we will see lenas mom.

anyways IM TEAM ALEX HE CAN HAVE ME lol


message 895: by [deleted user] (new)

Somaya wrote: "I doubt Lauren will satisfy us readers. she doesnt usually do what it is thought to happen. She said its not even a love triangle i think alex is going to hate her feel betrayed, broken. lena is gn..."

Somaya ur so right... I don't think it will be happily ever after at all... 2013 COME FASTER!!!!!!


Michaela Guys...Lauren said that one of them doesn't love her. I honestly don't think that Alex has stopped loving her. But Julian? He barely understands love, he's fought against it his whole life. I don't really think he's ready to love yet. Not that he's against it, just that he's not ready.


Fernanda Michaela wrote: "Guys...Lauren said that one of them doesn't love her. I honestly don't think that Alex has stopped loving her. But Julian? He barely understands love, he's fought against it his whole life. I don't..."

I tottaly agree with you, I mean Julian dosen't even know what is love so, how can he be so sure about it? Maybe he dosen't love Lena...


Levinne Good Lord! Both have good qualities and honestly I can't even bring myself to choose (Thank God I'm not Lena). I can't help but make assumptions about what's going to happen next? Is it possible that Alex was already cured or something? Or does he now hate Lena? Can't wait for Requiem.


Fernanda Nic wrote: "Michaela wrote: "Guys...Lauren said that one of them doesn't love her. I honestly don't think that Alex has stopped loving her. But Julian? He barely understands love, he's fought against it his wh..."

OMG that could happen... it never crossed my mind


message 900: by Emily (new) - rated it 3 stars

Emily I think Julian's sweet but I rekon Lena and Alex have way more of a connection, he helped her through everything and showed her so much about the world that she didn't know about. Then he also sacrificed himself for her at the end of Delirium.

Except the way Alex acted at the end of Pandemonium was like he didn't care about her anymore, maybe I'm reading to much into the small paragraph, but still... Then again I didn't know that Lauren said that only one of them loves Lena so I agree with Michaela.

In the end though I think I'm still Team Alex!


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