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Alex or Julian???

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message 601: by Bri (last edited Jul 25, 2012 06:18AM) (new)

Bri Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Ro wrote: "Len..."

i bet she already has the book out and she just wants to make us wait.... yeah that sounds like something she would do. i mean she could at least release a sneak peak... like the part where they roast julian for dinner :P


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Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree w..."

Lol. Ur prob right, its most likely almost done or done and we have to wait to
March. I just don't get it. Wen Lena was with Alex, she said she felt beautiful and he called her beautiful and in the beginning she said she was all inbetween. She never said she felt Beautiful with Julian, and not once did he tell her she was beautiful. Alex's purpose was (and still is) to love lena, and make her happy and teach her how to live. Lena was using Julian as a way not to think of Alex, even tho she didnt no it. We all no Lena is going to end up with Alex, (that's his purpose, aside from being super amazing hot, sweet and everything u could ever want in a guy ) so wat is Julian's purpose?


message 603: by [deleted user] (last edited Jul 25, 2012 07:13AM) (new)

Ro wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "I have a prediction:
I just remembered something: Lauren Oliver said that..."


Lol totally!! Go Alex I luv u 4ever!!! Julian get lost.


message 604: by Bri (new)

Bri Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes w..."

U JUST SAID IT!!! UR RIGHT!!! she's using him to try to forget about alex!! think about it, it completely makes sense..... but how is she going to find that out for herself. and julian will probably find someone else i bet... OMG I WOULD DIE IF ALEX FOUND SOMEONE ELSE!!! i mean if i can't have him then i would rather lena have him lol but not someone else! :O ok now I'm worried


message 605: by Bri (new)

Bri Lenasheathes wrote: "Ro wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "I have a prediction:
I just remembered something: Lauren Olive..."


he can go die in a hole (julian i mean) for all i care


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Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree w..."

Now I'm scared! Wat if Alex found a girlfriend in the crypts??????? Wat if the scavengers got him?????? I he finds some1 else I will die!!!!! Lena u screwed up!


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Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Ro wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "I have a prediction:
I just remembered so..."


Julian better go die in a hole. Omg wat if he goes to the DFA and betrays them?????


message 608: by Clary (new) - rated it 2 stars

Clary A Lenasheathes wrote: "Ro wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "I have a prediction:
I just remembered something: Lauren Olive..."


whoa!!! I love the spirit of team Alex :))


message 609: by Bri (new)

Bri Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Ro wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "I have a prediction:
I just ..."


i would rather that then julian stay with lena! anyways the book could use a good dramatic war haha


message 610: by Bri (new)

Bri Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes w..."

no alex couldn't have found a girlfriend in the crypts cause if he did he wouldn't be so angry at lena for finding someone else. hmmm no i don't think the scavengers got him either, and yes lena screwed up BIG time


message 611: by Bri (new)

Bri but theres someone else to blame for lena's character: lauren olliver so technically she screwed up


message 612: by Clary (new) - rated it 2 stars

Clary A Bree wrote: "and guys who are going against alex, think of it this way: if you were imprisoned in jail for lena, then got out and found her with someone else, wouldn't you be mad if you were alex? I'm totally a..."

same here :))


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Rereading pandy last night, the more I read, the more ticked I am. I mean Lena, don't talk to him! Just answer no to every question!!!!!! Ugggg. Cannot express in words how much I want to read delirium again. Alex I need u!!!


message 614: by Bri (new)

Bri Clary wrote: "Bree wrote: "and guys who are going against alex, think of it this way: if you were imprisoned in jail for lena, then got out and found her with someone else, wouldn't you be mad if you were alex? ..."

yup!


message 615: by Bri (new)

Bri Lenasheathes wrote: "Rereading pandy last night, the more I read, the more ticked I am. I mean Lena, don't talk to him! Just answer no to every question!!!!!! Ugggg. Cannot express in words how much I want to read del..."

ik!!! i would rather read anything other than a book with no alex in it.. even if lena isn't in it. like i would rather read what alex did in the crypts and all his escape plans and stuff like that!


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Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree w..."

I hope he didn't find a girlfriend!!! If he did I will die!!! This is all
Lenas fault!


message 617: by [deleted user] (new)

Bree wrote: "but theres someone else to blame for lena's character: lauren olliver so technically she screwed up"

Very true!! I wish pandy woulda been different. Oh Alex how I missed u!


message 618: by [deleted user] (new)

Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Rereading pandy last night, the more I read, the more ticked I am. I mean Lena, don't talk to him! Just answer no to every question!!!!!! Ugggg. Cannot express in words how mu..."

Ik!!!!!!!!! As Lena would say: I had an Alex- feeling the whole time I was reading this, like a hollowed out feeling in my chest. I miss u Alex!


message 619: by B.L. (last edited Jul 25, 2012 10:15AM) (new)

B.L. Jones Ok sorry i have to ask this, i feel like im missing something important, WHY DOES EVERYONE LOVE ALEX?, apart from the fact that he showed Lena how to love and saved her life at the end, i mean i know these things are noble an great but i need more than tht if im going to REALLY care about him, so many people are in love with him as a book character, i read the book and felt like i didnt really know him at all, and in Pandemonium i really didnt miss him being there,. This is obviously just me thinking this but really WHY? xxx


message 620: by Bri (new)

Bri Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes w..."

trsut me alex didn't find a girlfriend, or else he wouldn't be so mad at lena and say "don't believe her" at the end pandemonium. and yes it is leans fault


message 621: by Bri (new)

Bri BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Ok sorry i have to ask this, i feel like im missing something important, WHY DOES EVERYONE LOVE ALEX?, apart from the fact that he showed Lena how to love and saved her life at the end, i mean i kn..."

well everyone has their own opinion and i goes that yours is that u don't really care about him. but a lot of other people do... so yeah


message 622: by Bri (new)

Bri Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "but theres someone else to blame for lena's character: lauren olliver so technically she screwed up"

Very true!! I wish pandy woulda been different. Oh Alex how I missed u!"


me too ;(


message 623: by Bri (new)

Bri Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Rereading pandy last night, the more I read, the more ticked I am. I mean Lena, don't talk to him! Just answer no to every question!!!!!! Ugggg. Cannot express in..."

right?


message 624: by Mayra (new) - rated it 5 stars

Mayra I think alex I mean he was great in delirium, but at the end of pandemonium you get a glimpse of him so much more grown I mean he gave everything for lena and it obviously took it's toll on him, and I love julian too but he's too naive for my taste and alex he has just been trough a lot, I just love him


message 625: by [deleted user] (last edited Jul 26, 2012 05:25AM) (new)

BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Ok sorry i have to ask this, i feel like im missing something important, WHY DOES EVERYONE LOVE ALEX?, apart from the fact that he showed Lena how to love and saved her life at the end, i mean i kn..."

Haha!I know THAT feeling sometimes (not in this case, but in some others, yeah: I get the feeling.) These all are really my own opinion, but I love Alex for a couple of reasons.

A) He's a nice guy. Smiley and all that. I dig guys who have some sort of sense of humor, and I just can't really resist that.

B) He reads poetry-pfft. I know that isn't much of a reason, but heck: if a guy reads literature and loves it, he's the guy for me! (Look at Will Herondale from The Infernal Devices: his usual quoting famous literature pieces just kinda shows a gentle side to him, and makes him so unique. And a lot hotter! *Sweatdrop*)

C) Alex is also a patient, loyal, noble guy like you said: he helped assist Lena learn what love's about without forcing it on her. He left her alone when she wanted to be left alone. He rescued her when she was in trouble. He helped open her eyes to reality and the wonders of love. He kinda chose her of all girls to try and open her eyes to the madness of not loving. And he had took the risk of his identity to tell her how he felt and who he really is. Most guys aren't truthful like that in books. And another thing to take note of Alex's wonderfulness is that he helped her find out what REALLY happened to her mom when showing her his dad's grave (oh lookie! Another reason of how Alex is marvelous: he's a sweetie!)

D) He made her think she was beautiful. She said before she always thought she was an in-between girl-but Alex helped make her feel beautiful. He showed her that she truly is beautiful. Julian never once told her that. Instead, he-no offense-kinda said things about her appearence that made me think, "Pervert." I mean the shower scene? Yech. I would've slapped Julian silly and caused some serious damage to him over that...
Right. Anyways...

E) Alex isn't some perfect, robotic book guy-he actually cries when he feels like he's homesick. And a real man is a man who can shed a few tears.

F) He rides a MOTORCYCLE! C'mon! That's AWESOME! *Permission to roll eyes at this reason and the one below and the one after that*

G) His look are HOT. Golden brown hair that looks like an autumn leave changing colors? Amber eyes? Such a unique look (I'm not much of a fan over blond guys like Julian-no offense little brother!)

And H) I'm a sucker for first loves ('cept usually in love triangles, cuz the girl makes the idiotic choice of who her "first love" is that makes me want to strangle her...right, moving on.) Especially Lena's and Alex's relationship. I know they only knew each other for a couple of months, but that's the thing: I felt like they actually got to KNOW each other. They talked, hanged out, and had a big ol' laugh over things. Heck, instead of going straight to the "I love yous," they first started with the "I like yous," like most people do! I just felt like that made the relationship feel realistic and not rushed. That's what I felt for Lena and Julian: insta-love with a pinch of lust. Lena kept thinking of Alex and even ASKED for his forgiveness when she kissed Julian. She barely got OVER Alex. And the fact she got over the love-of-her-life who sacrificed his "live" to her over six months??? Either Lena is a hypocrite and shallow, or she's just looking for a rebound. She and Julian knew each other for two weeks...IN JAIL!

I dunno, I just don't buy it. Especially with the fact I believed Alex was alive.
Well, I didn't expect this to be a half-rant, half-getting-out-of-topic speech, but here you go. I hoped this helped, and that I didn't offend you or anything! :) Cheers! :-D~<3


message 626: by Bianca (last edited Jul 25, 2012 03:15PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Bianca Ro wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Ok sorry i have to ask this, i feel like im missing something important, WHY DOES EVERYONE LOVE ALEX?, apart from the fact that he showed Lena how to love and saved her life a..."

Umm... U kinda said everything that was in my mind... Good reasons, dude... (It's okay that you're a girl, I call everybody dude)


message 627: by Maya (last edited Jul 25, 2012 03:21PM) (new) - added it

Maya Ro wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Ok sorry i have to ask this, i feel like im missing something important, WHY DOES EVERYONE LOVE ALEX?, apart from the fact that he showed Lena how to love and saved her life a..."

I agree with every word ! Lenas love for Alex is more real, Julian is more of a shoulder to lean on. I think she felt that she had to save Julian like the way Alex saved her . She wanted to do something right . I Dnt think she loves Julian as much as she loves Alex. dam I feel like someone is goingto die.


Michaela I'm totally team Alex and stuff, but I do not hate Julian. He is a REALLY important character. I think the end of Pandemonium set up the explosion of the revolution. Julian was a face of the DFA and he chose no cure...he chose love. What is that going to do for the rebels? Not to mention that Raven KILLED HIS FATHER. The LEADER of the DFA. This book series is about a lot more than a love story about a boy and a girl. It's about the freedom to love.


message 629: by Emily (new) - rated it 5 stars

Emily Cote Julian. I didn't ever really LIKE Alex, although clearly Lena did, so I wanted them together. However, now that Julian is on the scene, he seems more Lena's type. Not quite so risky, but strong, curious, fun. Also, Julian seems more grown up compared to Alex in some ways.
So, for the first time, I can say that I'm rooting for the second guy in the love triangle.


message 630: by Bri (new)

Bri Mayra wrote: "I think alex I mean he was great in delirium, but at the end of pandemonium you get a glimpse of him so much more grown I mean he gave everything for lena and it obviously took it's toll on him, an..."

same here :P


message 631: by Bri (new)

Bri Somaya wrote: "Ro wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Ok sorry i have to ask this, i feel like im missing something important, WHY DOES EVERYONE LOVE ALEX?, apart from the fact that he showed Lena how to love and saved..."

i heard from someone that lauren olliver said there wouldn't be a love triangle.... but it kinda is.... idk what to think.... ya i think someone is gonna die 2


message 632: by Emily (new) - rated it 5 stars

Emily Cote BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Ok sorry i have to ask this, i feel like im missing something important, WHY DOES EVERYONE LOVE ALEX?, apart from the fact that he showed Lena how to love and saved her life at the end, i mean i kn..."

It isn't just you thinks this! I completely agree. Alex has always felt like such a flat character to me. He does good things, but he's so child like to me. He didn't feel like an indulgence to me, and he wasn't a character that made me think "Oh my, I wish he really existed!". A good love interest makes me think and feel those things, and I wasn't getting that from him.
But Julian. Oh yes, Julian is a perfect love interest, especially for Lena. I adored him!


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Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree w..."

True! I saw a dude on a motorcycle 2day and I was like ALEX!!!


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Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "but theres someone else to blame for lena's character: lauren olliver so technically she screwed up"

Very true!! I wish pandy woulda been different. Oh Alex how I..."


He's just such an important character, I felt a connectin I didn't feel that with Julian, I hope Lena chooses Alex!


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Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Rereading pandy last night, the more I read, the more ticked I am. I mean Lena, don't talk to him! Just answer no to every question!!!!!! Ugg..."

What I don't get is y Lena didn't have any hope. Try to look!!! Y did Lauren Oliver do that???


Sheyenne Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Rereading pandy last night, the more I read, the more ticked I am. I mean Lena, don't talk to him! Just answer no to every questi..."

Right she just walked around saying "Alex is dead o well"
I felt like screaming: WHY DON"T YOU GO LOOK FOR HIM OR AT LEAST VERIFY IT YOU UNDESERVING NITWIT!!!!


Sheyenne Ro wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Ok sorry i have to ask this, i feel like im missing something important, WHY DOES EVERYONE LOVE ALEX?, apart from the fact that he showed Lena how to love and saved her life a..."

AMEN TO THAT!


message 638: by Maya (new) - added it

Maya Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "Ro wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Ok sorry i have to ask this, i feel like im missing something important, WHY DOES EVERYONE LOVE ALEX?, apart from the fact that he showed Lena how to love and saved..."

She ONLY KNEW JULIAN FOR TWOOOO WEEKS THAT'S BOT LOVE she prolly felt something but come ur an cell ur heart is broken got no one but a very attractive male next to you ur gonna end up needing a shoulder to lean on . People Alex was real love , I hope the best for Julian but he got to get out of the pic


message 639: by Maya (new) - added it

Maya Bree wrote: "Somaya wrote: "Ro wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Ok sorry i have to ask this, i feel like im missing something important, WHY DOES EVERYONE LOVE ALEX?, apart from the fact that he showed Lena how to..."

idk how it's not gonna e a love triangle , if Julian is out the pic then so be it I won't care I'll be thrilled. I hope he finds someone else . Alex all the way !


Sheyenne I love Alex because of how understanding and compassionate he is. He understands Lena even though she doesn't quite understand herself.
I love how he doesn't just accept what happens to him (*cough* like Julian *cough*) but does something about it.

“Everyone is asleep. They've all been asleep for years. You seemed ... awake.' Alex is whispering now. He closes his eyes, opens them again.'I'm tired of sleeping.”

And c'mon poetry he quoted FREAKING SHAKSPERE!!!


“I told you," he whispers back. I can feel his breath just tickling the space behind my ear, making my hair prick up on my neck. "I like you."
"You don't know me," I say quickly.
"I want to, though.”

AHHH SO SEXY!! How can I not love him after that.

Lena feels for Julian, but its more pity affection due to what happened to his brother, his illness and his relationship with his father. She feels an overwhelming need to protect him and save him and is confusing this with love. This whole Julian thing is a total joke. They only knew bits and pieces of each other. I think she only felt as if she loved him because of the fact they had to survive by helping each other.


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Somaya wrote: "Bree wrote: "Somaya wrote: "Ro wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Ok sorry i have to ask this, i feel like im missing something important, WHY DOES EVERYONE LOVE ALEX?, apart from the fact that he showe..."

Ya!!!! Julian needs to get out of the pic, I agree!! Alex was real love, Alex all the way!!!!


message 642: by [deleted user] (new)

Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "I love Alex because of how understanding and compassionate he is. He understands Lena even though she doesn't quite understand herself.
I love how he doesn't just accept what happens to him (*coug..."


Exactly!! I think the same thing. They new eachother for 2 weeks in jail!!!!!! Alex is everything and Lena better relize that, and SOON.


Sheyenne QLenasheathes wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "I love Alex because of how understanding and compassionate he is. He understands Lena even though she doesn't quite understand herself.
I love how he doesn't j..."


Maybe Lena should be the lonely one because she don't deserve Alex I DO!! Lol


message 644: by Maya (new) - added it

Maya Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "QLenasheathes wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "I love Alex because of how understanding and compassionate he is. He understands Lena even though she doesn't quite understand herself.
I..."


Lol if he doesn't end up with Lena hes gonna end up with a fandom of Alex lovers , so no worries for him right ? Lol


message 645: by Bri (new)

Bri Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes w..."

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha yeah so every time i see a dude on a motorcycle ill be like: alex #1...alex#2....alex#3...alex#4 lol


message 646: by Bri (new)

Bri Somaya wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "QLenasheathes wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "I love Alex because of how understanding and compassionate he is. He understands Lena even though she..."

exactly haha


message 647: by Bri (new)

Bri Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "but theres someone else to blame for lena's character: lauren olliver so technically she screwed up"

Very true!! I wish pandy woulda been different. ..."


me too i hate julian... he not lena-ish :( she has to pick alex


message 648: by Bri (new)

Bri Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "QLenasheathes wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "I love Alex because of how understanding and compassionate he is. He understands Lena even though she doesn't quite understand herself.
I..."


hahaha i actually don't think lena should be lonely cause she won't be, she'll go after julian. i rather see her with alex then julian no matter how much lena doesn't deserve alex (and she doesn't)


message 649: by Bri (new)

Bri Lenasheathes wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "I love Alex because of how understanding and compassionate he is. He understands Lena even though she doesn't quite understand herself.
I love how he doesn't j..."


ikr!


message 650: by Bri (new)

Bri Lenasheathes wrote: "Somaya wrote: "Bree wrote: "Somaya wrote: "Ro wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Ok sorry i have to ask this, i feel like im missing something important, WHY DOES EVERYONE LOVE ALEX?, apart from the fac..."

he taught her how to love!!


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