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Alex or Julian???

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message 501: by Liz (new) - rated it 4 stars

Liz Alex... he sacrificed himself for her, I just hope he is not bitter and hateful


Kristel Liz wrote: "Alex... he sacrificed himself for her, I just hope he is not bitter and hateful"

i agree! :)


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Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "Nic wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Nic wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Nic wrote: "People. Fictional characters."

Mate, this is a website for people who love books more than having life, to us these..."


Us Alex fangirls are right behind you-but I call dibs on being leader! >:D


Rebecca I have always been an Alex fan but Julian hasnt done anything wrong. However I think Lena used her feelings for Alex and misplaced them for Julian. I am an Alex fan!! Cannot keep waiting for Requiem.


message 505: by Sheyenne (last edited Jul 18, 2012 07:13AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sheyenne Ro wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "Nic wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Nic wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Nic wrote: "People. Fictional characters."

Mate, this is a website for people who love book..."


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In that case I'm going to have to settle for being lieutenant XD


message 506: by Kaylah (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kaylah I agree! He seemed to be a changed person! I LOVED and adored Alex in Delirium but Lena literally just promised that she would be with Julian forever! And I like his backround story better too... I think he's been through a lot more and come much farther.


message 507: by Becky (new) - rated it 4 stars

Becky omg after reading some of different peoples views i dont know what to think... but tbh Lena (and most readers) did think Alex was dead until the end of the book and yeah now she's moved and they've both changed.. and maybe Alex should put himself in Lena's shoes, he cant seriously expect her just to turn her feeling off for Julian.. i suppose now that Alex is back her feelings for him are gonna reignite and thats understandable. tbh, i sortof want her to get back with Alex because what they had, to me seemed beautiful, whereas with Lena and Julian it seemed more forced maybe? (and in my head Alex is hotter :L) anyway.. I'm sure in the end I'll feel that she made the right decision, (i hope i do anyway, i dont feel i could be angry at Lena) and she may even end up with another guy yet... cant be doing with waiting this long for the next one! :D


Sheyenne However, I don't think Alex and Lena have changed as drastically as many think


message 509: by S (new) - rated it 2 stars

S the fact that everyone is in love with julian now make me hate him actually :(
yes he is so cute but alex is her FIRST LOVE he helped her find out that her mother was alive and he introduced her to the wilds !!
she have to be with alex !!!


message 510: by [deleted user] (last edited Jul 21, 2012 11:55AM) (new)

Sara Quiggles wrote: "ugh... another love triangle"

When is there not a love triangle these days?
-_-;*Sighs* One of the main reasons I loved Delirium was BECAUSE there was no love triangle!!! Nearly had a heart attack (not really; more like I was ranting) when I found out I was wrong. :/


Sheyenne Ro wrote: "Sara Quiggles wrote: "ugh... another love triangle"

When is there not a love triangle these days?
-_-;*Sighs* One of the main reasons I loved Delirium was BECAUSE there was no love triangle!!! Nea..."


Every YA book has some kind of love triangle. Ugh i mean one love triangle is okay but its like every YA is centered around it :/


message 512: by [deleted user] (last edited Jul 21, 2012 01:04PM) (new)

Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "Ro wrote: "Sara Quiggles wrote: "ugh... another love triangle"

When is there not a love triangle these days?
-_-;*Sighs* One of the main reasons I loved Delirium was BECAUSE there was no love tria..."


I'm usually a fan of love triangles-but not when they appear in the second book! *Sighs* I mean, if I liked the first book already without a love triangle, why does the second book need one to be as wonderful as the first? Maybe authors should quit making the heroine and hero singing their, "I love yous" in the first book, and actually get the main characters to get to know each other during the other two/three/five books; extending their love stories over the stretch of three/four/five books. Some books don't even need to do that-like by the end of Delirium, I thought the love story was perfect. Instead of inserting a love triangle in the second book, though, I thought Lauren Oliver should've made it that Lena searches for her mother, and sees if Alex is dead or alive. Maybe even get to know more about the invalids. Sure, it wouldn't be as romantic as Delirium, but it'll also kinda show us how Lena can grow stronger. Don't get me wrong, I'm a major romantic, but I really guess I'm just getting so sick of love triangles, and how they render some of the heroines as kinda shallow and feeble. :/ I'm just asking for a strong girl character who can kick butt! :/


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Nic wrote: "Ro wrote: "Sara Quiggles wrote: "ugh... another love triangle"

When is there not a love triangle these days?
-_-;*Sighs* One of the main reasons I loved Delirium was BECAUSE there was no love tria..."


Yeah, I already read Divergent and Insurgent, and they ARE pretty good series! :D Only, I prefer Divergent to Insurgent. XD


message 514: by [deleted user] (new)

Nic wrote: "Ro wrote: "Nic wrote: "Ro wrote: "Sara Quiggles wrote: "ugh... another love triangle"

When is there not a love triangle these days?
-_-;*Sighs* One of the main reasons I loved Delirium was BECAUSE..."


That, and I kinda thought Tris was less likable in the second book. :/ I liked her a lot in the first, but the second, I thought she was a little snobby at some parts.


Sheyenne I want to read divergent SO BADLY!!!


Jeramiah winstom Ro wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "Ro wrote: "Sara Quiggles wrote: "ugh... another love triangle"

When is there not a love triangle these days?
-_-;*Sighs* One of the main reasons I loved Deliri..."

I Agree with you 100% Love Triangle= Bad, Terrible, Annoying,Overdone, Cheap, etc.

I just want to point out that though I am in no way against reading books with strong female protagonists, it seems as if a lot of the YA fiction out there is always from the same point of view: First Person Teenage Female. At least, the ones that I see a lot anyway. There's Hunger Games, Divergent, Legend, Cinder,Delirium,Clockwork Angel( I think), Enclave, Daughter of Smoke and Bone(this one counts because it follows Karou most of the book), Blood Red Road, Marked, etc. Im not saying it's a bad thing, I just think it would be cool to see a good YA book from a guys perspective.


message 517: by [deleted user] (new)

Alex all the way!!!! He made the story the one that captured my heart, i didn't feel I could connect with Julian the way I did with Alex, he didn't seem real. Go Alex!!!!!!!! My hope for the last book is Julian dies and Alex and Lena live happily ever after :)


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Rajshree wrote: "I do love Julian but Alex was the first. I loved him ever since he came up on the observation deck, and i'll always pick him."

Same here! I fell in love with Alex the minute I read about him and never stopped!!! Julian needs to die


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MO wrote: "I bet Julian will die in the third book (from a seizure or his tumor) and Lena will end up with Alex....at least, I hope she ends up with Alex!"

That be so awsome!!!!! That's my dream ending :)


message 520: by Sheyenne (last edited Jul 23, 2012 09:04AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sheyenne Jeramiah wrote: "Ro wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "Ro wrote: "Sara Quiggles wrote: "ugh... another love triangle"

When is there not a love triangle these days?
-_-;*Sighs* One of the main reasons I l..."


I completely agree its always the "teenage girl" thing in YA books its hard to find a book with a male POV (which I love!) That's why I was so dissapointed when I found out the second POV in Requiem will be Hana's. I really wanted Alex's POV :'(


Sheyenne Charle wrote: "While reading Pandemonium, I couldn't help but repeatedly think that Lena and Julian being together was wrong. I don't have anything against Julian. In fact I like him, he's quite nice. I can see h..."

I don't know about Lena and Julian shining like a star there more like a candle....
There relationship isn't real and genuine like Alex and Lena's.


message 522: by [deleted user] (new)

Alex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He made the story what it is, and I was so mad at the end of delirium, and I missed him in pandemonium!! Alex all the way, Julian needs to get lost!!! Alex❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤


message 523: by [deleted user] (new)

MO wrote: "I bet Julian will die in the third book (from a seizure or his tumor) and Lena will end up with Alex....at least, I hope she ends up with Alex!"

That be so awsome! Thats my dream ending :)


message 524: by B.L. (last edited Jul 23, 2012 02:45PM) (new)

B.L. Jones I'll be honest i like Julian as a person, he seems genuine and the kind of boy i'd like to meet, i really hope that Lauren Oliver isn't obvious an kills off Julian, that would make it look like a huge cop out just to get Lena and Alex back together.

Im not saying i don't like Alex it's just that i didn't really feel a strong connection with him in Delirium, so i think i was honestly the only person not all that bothered if he was alive or not, not that i didnt think what he did to save Lena wasn't noble and great because it was. I just think Julian is more my type, i'll admit im a sucker for blue eyed boys.

As i said before i dont really mind WHO Lena ends up with, but i do think that even if Alex and Lena did get back together it would be a long road to getting back what they had origionally, im not sure how much Alex has changed as we only got about 2 seconds of him in Pandemonium, but i disagree with anyone who says that Lena hasn't changed, because in a lot of way she has, how could she not. But i think it's more like she's herself still, just....MORE, stronger, wiser, better in a sense, at least i liked her more. And if anyone doesn't think that will affect her relationship with Alex then they are being blindsighted by there fangirl love for Alex, not his and Lena's actual relationship. But this is only my opinion, anyone else feel free to argue. xxx


message 525: by Bri (new)

Bri i LOVE alex ever since he winked at lena. i have no idea how she could just get over him so fast! I'm not a fan julian so far.... i'll just have to wait and see.... :P


message 526: by Bri (new)

Bri Andrea wrote: "The first book left me heart broken!!! I really really wanted to cry so much because I loved Alex!!! Before I started reading Pandemonium I knew Alex was not dead because I read it on one review an..."

i totally agree with you! I'm alex all the way!!!


message 527: by Bri (new)

Bri Alex. Alex. Alex. ALex. HOW DARE YOU LENA?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?


message 528: by [deleted user] (new)

Bree wrote: "Andrea wrote: "The first book left me heart broken!!! I really really wanted to cry so much because I loved Alex!!! Before I started reading Pandemonium I knew Alex was not dead because I read it o..."

Thank you!! Alex rocks!! Julian needs to get lost :p


Sheyenne Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Andrea wrote: "The first book left me heart broken!!! I really really wanted to cry so much because I loved Alex!!! Before I started reading Pandemonium I knew Alex was not dead becaus..."

Alex Alex Alex *chanting* ha-ha :D


message 530: by Bri (new)

Bri Bree wrote: "Alex. Alex. Alex. ALex. HOW DARE YOU LENA?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?"

haha yeah i agree julian DOES need to get lost


message 531: by Bri (new)

Bri Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Andrea wrote: "The first book left me heart broken!!! I really really wanted to cry so much because I loved Alex!!! Before I started reading Pandemonium I knew Alex was not dead becaus..."

yeah haha i dont like julian and i wasn't really psyched about reading an entire book on him and lena *gags*


message 532: by [deleted user] (last edited Jul 23, 2012 05:47PM) (new)

Bree wrote: "Bree wrote: "Alex. Alex. Alex. ALex. HOW DARE YOU LENA?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?"

haha yeah i agree julian DOES need to get lost"


I hope he dies of a seziure that would b my dream ending :)
I was so mad at Lena the time she even touched Julian, she shoulda SOSed him! (shot on site)


message 533: by Bri (new)

Bri Lenasheathes wrote: "Rajshree wrote: "I do love Julian but Alex was the first. I loved him ever since he came up on the observation deck, and i'll always pick him."

Same here! I fell in love with Alex the minute I rea..."


ikr!


message 534: by Bri (new)

Bri Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Bree wrote: "Alex. Alex. Alex. ALex. HOW DARE YOU LENA?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?"

haha yeah i agree julian DOES need to get lost"

I hope he dies of a seziure that would b my dream ending :)
I ..."


hahahahahahahahahahaha i know!!! you took the words rite outta my mind lolzzz!!!!


message 535: by Avani (new) - rated it 3 stars

Avani Duh, Alex! I can't go back on him, even after Lena fell for Julian.


message 536: by Bri (new)

Bri and guys who are going against alex, think of it this way: if you were imprisoned in jail for lena, then got out and found her with someone else, wouldn't you be mad if you were alex? I'm totally and completely team alex and I'm kinda pissed at lena!


message 537: by [deleted user] (new)

Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Rajshree wrote: "I do love Julian but Alex was the first. I loved him ever since he came up on the observation deck, and i'll always pick him."

Same here! I fell in love with ..."


Alex is sweet awsome adorable Alex and Julian can never beat that.


message 538: by Bri (new)

Bri Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Rajshree wrote: "I do love Julian but Alex was the first. I loved him ever since he came up on the observation deck, and i'll always pick him."

Same here! I fell ..."

ikr! julian isn't worth it. how could lena do that to alex?!?!?


message 539: by [deleted user] (new)

Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Rajshree wrote: "I do love Julian but Alex was the first. I loved him ever since he came up on the observation deck, and i'll always pick him...."

I was so mad at Lena!!!!!!!!! She just abandonded and gave up on Alex and don't have the tinest shred of hope that he was alive, I did and he turned up!!! Does she not remember all the kisses, hugs and ull stuff they did together? He risked his life for her!


message 540: by Bri (new)

Bri Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Rajshree wrote: "I do love Julian but Alex was the first. I loved him ever since he came up on the observation deck, and i'll alw..."

i know!! i was screaming when i found out! in the end though i think it will be alex. i really hope a pov in requiem is in alex's perspective. i can't handle the way lena thinks anymore its really starting to annoy me.... i mean alex taught her how to love!!!! how dare she???? this seriously is a messed up story. its like nothing I've ever read before... its crazy!


message 541: by [deleted user] (new)

Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Rajshree wrote: "I do love Julian but Alex was the first. I loved him ever since he came up on the observati..."

Ikr??? It's so annoying push push push!! Stupid raven! Dosent she miss him??? I would!! If that happened I would go find him cause I no he would find me!! Lena was being stupid Alex is like the perfect guy! Julian is not, he's some freak who dosent no how to love! Alex is everything and Lena should choose him. If she dosent, god help Lauren Oliver! I cried on the last page, the entire time I read pandy my heart was empty cause Alex wasn't there!!


message 542: by Bri (new)

Bri Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Rajshree wrote: "I do love Julian but Alex was the first. I loved him ever since he came up on ..."

the golden words: god, help lauren oliver. she needs it if lena doesn't end up with alex. i don't freakin care what they go through but LENA HAS TO END UP WITH ALEX!!! i'd cry for days and days if they don't... no joke


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Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Rajshree wrote: "I do love Julian but Alex was the first. I loved him ever..."

Omg same here! Lauren Oliver will have an angry mob @ her door if Lena dosent end up without Alex :p


message 544: by Bri (new)

Bri Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Rajshree wrote: "I do love Julian but Alex was the first. I l..."

hahahahahahaahaha i will personally send her millions of letters- whatever it takes- to make her write one more book where lena and alex end up together! they have to. haha she has no idea what she got herself into..... :D


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Maya Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Rajshree wrote: "I do love Julian but Al..."


i think i will die in my tears if they dont end up together!


message 546: by Bri (new)

Bri Somaya wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Rajshree wrote: "I do love ..."

me too. ill drown in them. they have to end up together. guess we'll just have to wait and see!


message 547: by Bri (new)

Bri Avani wrote: "Duh, Alex! I can't go back on him, even after Lena fell for Julian."

yeah same here


message 548: by Bri (new)

Bri Nic wrote: "Looking through these comments, hehe. And not in a mean way. ALEX ALL THE WAY :))"

with you on that one :P


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Bree wrote: "Somaya wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Bree wrote: "Lenasheathes wrote: "Rajshree wro..."

Totaly!! I'd rip the book in two if they didn't end up 2gethter and Lauren Oliver would be hearing a lot from me!


Kaitlyn Julian, Julian, Julian, Julian, Julian!


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