The Last Battle (Chronicles of Narnia, #7) The Last Battle discussion


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Does anyone else see the Biblical Reference to this book?

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David I mean come on! It's obviously protraying the book Of Revelations in the Bible.


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Molly Kluck Pretty much every book in this series is ripe with biblical reference. It's awesome :)


Kristen Personally I think it's impossible not to see it in all the books, but particularly in this one, The Magicians Nephew, and The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe.


David What about the Silver Chair? I found no Bible Reference in that.


Kristen Oooh, it's been forever since I read them, so I looked it up :)
http://www.gotquestions.org/Narnia_Si...


Haidi Yep these books are symbolic of the Bible, these were books we read in class (like 20 years ago!) I attended a Christian school and we studied them.


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Richard No shit Sherlock


David Richard wrote: "No shit Sherlock"


Ew...who says "No shit Sherlock " anymore?


Alessandra I don't think C.S. Lewis made any secret of the fact that he was deliberately writing Christian allegories as childrens' books. I mean, come on, at the end of the Voyage of the Dawn Treader they meet Aslan -- and he's a lamb.

The Silver Chair is a classic Christian allegory of temptation to decadence and sloth. Heck, even the color of the witch's dress -- the Lady in the Green Kirtle -- comes from classic medieval allegory of the color of evil and temptation.


David I read the entire Series in 6th grade I'm in 10th now and I think I need to defentally re-read silver Chair. Cause I don't rememeber much about it.


David I read the entire Series in 6th grade I'm in 10th now and I think I need to defentally re-read silver Chair. Cause I don't rememeber much about it.


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Mary Pickrahn Very much so, it's crazy.


Sonia Jarmula The Chronicles of Narnia was written as an allegory. If any of you are looking for the Christian meaning (because I'm Christian and even I had a difficult time spotting all the things that Lewis had to say, especially in the Horse and His Boy, Prince Caspian, and the Silver Chair), you should read The World According to Narnia: Christian Meaning in C. S. Lewis's Beloved Chronicles. It was a truly great read, Rogers was able to successfully point out many things and draw meaning out of many things that seemed completely normal to me at first.


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Ian Of course there are Biblical references in this book!


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Kaptnk51 C.S. Lewis is always making references to his beliefs.

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Nicole C.S. Lewis was a highly religious man. He wanted to share his beliefs with other people and chose to through literature.


Samuel Medina I don't think he was trying to be subtle about it ... some don't like it, some do... Narnia remains one of my favorite fantasy worlds of all time...


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J.J. Lair As someone that doesn't seek out religious fiction, the Narnia books didn't feel heavy handed except for Wardrobe and The Final Battle. I'm not a religious person so maybe the religion was always there and I missed. it. What if found interesting though, is that Harry Potter borrows heavily from these stories and no one calls Harry Potter religious. So it's possible for the religion to escape me and yet still enjoy the stories.


Carina I must admit when I first read them around age 9 or so I never realised the religious influences, then when I read them later (about age 13) I started picking up on it more.

I think these books manage to get across the "Christian" message without beating the reader over the head with it - even my Agnostic partner loves the books and doesn't mind the religious undertones.


Mercer Yes, C S Lewis was an atheist who became a devote Christian, and wrote the Narinia books as an allegory to Christianity. Aslan is Jesus in these stories and when Aslan talks about having another form he means Jesus. Specifically the Last Battle is a portrayal of the book of revelations in the bible. :)


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Suge I think a lot of Lewis' books have biblical references.


Lorie He basically slaps you in the face with it throughout the whole series.


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Ella I don't think people should be offended at all by the fact that C. S. Lewis brings out the Gospel in a series of children's books, considering that most of his books are fully theological in matter.


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Shannon I've always loved C.S. Lewis' insightful analogies. I find it pretty obvious a lot (not all) of the time, and especially enjoy The Last Battle because of it.


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C. J. Scurria David wrote: "What about the Silver Chair? I found no Bible Reference in that."

I think when Jill is taken up by the huge owls it references "Wait on the Lord and we will be taken up on wings as eagles" and I think the world they were in underground was symbolic of a hell-like place that was defeated by Aslan's power. (Jesus' power over evil). And they are only rescued out of it by Aslan (he appeared on Tirian's shield).

I am sure there are others. Sometimes I realize the meanings and I keep becoming impressed by Lewis' brilliant symbolism.

I got this from a book that delved into the meanings of the Narnia books. Jill (she is on a hill and is given "rules" to follow) is symbolic of Moses.


Claire B. David wrote: "Richard wrote: "No shit Sherlock"


Ew...who says "No shit Sherlock " anymore?"


Wayyyy too many people (especially at my school)!


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Aaron Carson My mum said it all the time. I like it. Although it's not as unusual as my dad's expressions, "How Ducky" and "poopsiediddle" For me anything with dryads and witches is pagan, but I'm a bit simple like that.


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^ Read Rowan Williams' brilliant "The Lion's World" ISBN 9780281068951. The illustrations are rather nice, too!


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Shushant This book really have biblical. Like AntiChrist and in the end times there will be false prophets everywhere who will mislead people. I see all this well portrayed and also New Jerusalem, and that earth shall pass away is also well portrayed by Lewis.
Also that everyone will have to give account of his life as every creature met Aslan before going through the gate.


Maria Of course it has biblical references! CS Lewis tells us that more or less straight up when Aslan says that people call him by a different name in our world.


Aaron Carson Not "Apollo"?


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Lia I just fucking HATE this one


Brian Jones Hmm,yeah I thought it was a good series and it was one I actually loved even when I was on the other side.


William Bultez I did


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Ian Lia wrote: "I just fucking HATE this one"

I know that Goodreads will not address this because they don't seem to have a problem with profanity, but you can dislike a book without using that particular word.


Faith Brooker C.S. Lewis was a strong Christian!


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The whole series is an allegory for Christianity, there is a book about it that explains everything very clearly and simply:
A Family Guide to Narnia Biblical Truths in C.S. Lewis's the Chronicles of Narnia by Christin Ditchfield
I definitely recommend it, I've worked through the entire series using this guide and it's incredible what you discover.


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Lia Ian wrote: "Lia wrote: "I just fucking HATE this one"

I know that Goodreads will not address this because they don't seem to have a problem with profanity, but you can dislike a book without using that partic..."



you know, I just figured Susan would need a strong word.


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^ Bookworm wrote: "The whole series is an allegory for Christianity, there is a book about it that explains everything very clearly and simply:
[bookcover:A Family Guide to Narnia: Biblical Truths in C.S. Lewis's the..."


Likewise https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...


Rissa Cpt. Jack Sparrow Is awesome Ian wrote: "Lia wrote: "I just fucking HATE this one"

I know that Goodreads will not address this because they don't seem to have a problem with profanity, but you can dislike a book without using that partic..."



thank u Ian


Michelle Lynn Lewis was an atheist and originally started to write the series to disprove Christianity, by the end of the series, he converted to Christianity.


Sonia Jarmula Michelle wrote: "Lewis was an atheist and originally started to write the series to disprove Christianity, by the end of the series, he converted to Christianity."

Actually, Lewis converted in 1929 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._S._Le...), and he wrote the books between 1949 and 1954 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chro...), so he was already Christian when writing - the Narnia books were his allegory of Christianity, never intended in any way to disprove it.

Sorry to use Wikipedia, but it's better than leafing through the huge biography I have.


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C. J. Scurria Michelle wrote: "Lewis was an atheist and originally started to write the series to disprove Christianity, by the end of the series, he converted to Christianity."

You may be thinking of "Out of the Silent Planet" though I hear he may have already been a Christian as he was writing that as well. I heard rumors he was an agnostic while doing that series but I don't know, I don't have facts to back it up.


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