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Did Hannah try hard enough to live?
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Hannah just gave up, she never tried to really reach out.
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Actually, yes she did.... She went to the teacher/counselor and showed him all of the signs that she was suicidal, he didn't pay attention. She tried to show people how hurt she was by the rumors and lies, but no one paid attention. So she did try to reach out, everyone just ignored her and kept on walking. If she didn't have all of those heartless idiots making all those rumors about her, or the people that just don't care, she wouldn't have killed herself. And in the end, she sent the tapes out. She was alive to make those. Then people listened when they really had no choice but to.
yeah your right, but it's like she never went to anyone for help, she gave that note in class, and when everyone got angry she stopped talking about it. She never directly said her thohe guidance thoughts to the counsler. but you make a good point. If only she had lasted till graduation and then she could start fresh at a new college.
I believe that she didn't try hard enough to live. Not that she didn't try at all. No, I know she tried but I just don't believe it was hard enough.
Mackenzie wrote: "I believe that she didn't try hard enough to live. Not that she didn't try at all. No, I know she tried but I just don't believe it was hard enough."
your right.
your right.
Yeah she did, like Sydney said right at the end the teacher knew what Hannah was going to do, and the teacher didn't stop her. Hannah was strong most of the way, but all together it broke her.
A good question. Now that I think about it, Hannah's character is a bit of mystery to me.
When I first read the question I thought that maybe Hannah was someone who was more likely commit suicide than others, e.g. someone who gets depressed easily or who finds it difficult to climb out of the misery.
But then again, looking at Memolly96's comment, I wonder. In the flashbacks, pre-Justin Hannah seems cheerful and happy. Maybe it was the circumstances that broke her? Like her parents having financial problems and not being able to be there for their daughter...
When I first read the question I thought that maybe Hannah was someone who was more likely commit suicide than others, e.g. someone who gets depressed easily or who finds it difficult to climb out of the misery.
But then again, looking at Memolly96's comment, I wonder. In the flashbacks, pre-Justin Hannah seems cheerful and happy. Maybe it was the circumstances that broke her? Like her parents having financial problems and not being able to be there for their daughter...
She just does not have the strength to voice out her problems. She's that type of person. An in reality, people like her exist. She's the type of girl who has that kind of "boiling point" up to where everything needs to be stopped and she reached it, causing her not to take revenge but to submit herself.
I think she tried her hardest. having been there myself, its hard to talk about it to someone. Cuz you know that they will eather judge you or tell somone else and that just breakes your trust.
She did her best and tried to reach out but the world just walked pass her... Dam them all to hell.
Veggy wrote: "I think she tried her hardest.
having been there myself, its hard to talk about it to someone. Cuz you know that they will eather judge you or tell somone else and that just breakes your trust.
...",
your right about the whole trusting thing about really i don't think a ton of people knew what hannah was going thru. it's no reason to dam them all to hell, they are just naive, and clueless. hannah also
by the end i think knew she hadn't tried hard enough but i think she was just done with everyone and couldn't bear thru it. It's hard to deal with that.
having been there myself, its hard to talk about it to someone. Cuz you know that they will eather judge you or tell somone else and that just breakes your trust.
...",
your right about the whole trusting thing about really i don't think a ton of people knew what hannah was going thru. it's no reason to dam them all to hell, they are just naive, and clueless. hannah also
by the end i think knew she hadn't tried hard enough but i think she was just done with everyone and couldn't bear thru it. It's hard to deal with that.
Natalie wrote: "Veggy wrote: "I think she tried her hardest. having been there myself, its hard to talk about it to someone. Cuz you know that they will eather judge you or tell somone else and that just breakes..."
I agree, completely.
Sydney wrote: "Actually, yes she did.... She went to the teacher/counselor and showed him all of the signs that she was suicidal, he didn't pay attention. She tried to show people how hurt she was by the rumors a..."i think under her circumstances, and at her age, she should've FOUGHT instead of RESIST suicide. yes, she reached out for help, but it was for a bunch of jerks! she should've gone to someone who truly cared about her, like her parents for example or a professional shrenk that she could afford. or better yet, she should've seen it as a personal struggle, if she had enough will, i don't think she would've commited suicide. i think she would've said no to that girl -Whose name i don't remember and who asked hannah for the ride. i think she would've never let herself in the pool with the pervert. but i guess the lack of help that she got, and the endless rumors and events she'd been exposed to led her to that condition of weakness where she couldn't handle it herself.
i know i would've fought..but i guess she didn't see any good in life to fight for..
Yasmeen wrote: "i know i would've fought..but i guess she didn't see any good in life to fight for.."
agreed
agreed
No, she didn't try that hard to live. But that's because she didn't exactly WANT to live.
She didn't try at all, not really, anything worth trying, (like living) is hard. And not just on her, on everyone, there isn't a person on this planet without loss, pain, and emotional scars. It doesn't exist. Suicide is selfish.
I think she was a bit of a drama queen. I mean, why bring the tapes to the counselors office? To show that that was a reason to. She looked for reasons to die
maybe that could be so but if someone was creeping in your windows ya idt she has any control over that, so that doesnt mean she was looking for reasons to die stuff bad just kept happening.
Ashley wrote: "She didn't try at all, not really, anything worth trying, (like living) is hard. And not just on her, on everyone, there isn't a person on this planet without loss, pain, and emotional scars. It do..."no there isn't. i agree with everything but the last sentence. suicide is not selfish; suicide is desperate soul's only sanctuary when there's no other light nor shelter in life that they could see. i'm not saying i'm supportive of suicide, i'm not at all, i believe you should fight for life -not to mention it's against my religion. i'm just saying i understand why some people do it.
Her 13 reasons weren't actually enough reasons to commit suicide but in the same time who of us didn't think of doing so but ended up seeing it as a stupid idea because life is too precious to let go?She just didn't have anything to hang on to anymore... she made it clear that she didn't want to see the positive sides in life anymore. Those are enough reasons for her to end her life and yet she chose to blame it on someone else to make it excusable.
Esperanza wrote: "Her 13 reasons weren't actually enough reasons to commit suicide but in the same time who of us didn't think of doing so but ended up seeing it as a stupid idea because life is too precious to let ..."I'm not sure that anyone can say that another person didn't have "enough" reasons to give up on life. I think that's probably a personal threshold for each person. Not to mention that the number of reasons doesn't mean as much as the degree of pain each causes. If five reasons cause enough pain, they may be enough. If one reason does, it may be. On the other hand, for some people it may take twenty reasons, fifty reasons, even a whole paradigm shift. Regardless, without actually being someone else - living their life and having their point of view, their feelings and responses to what happens to them - it's really impossible to say what is "enough" and what isn't unless it's what's enough for you.
And I think that's part of the point of this book. Hannah saw things differently from the other people around her and they affected her differently. The tapes explained some of that, but only after it was too late to do anything about it because nobody really noticed what was going on before that.
The author (in my opinion) glossed over the real reasons why Hannah killed herself. It seemed like she skimmed over when Hannah was talking about being basically raped, but then when into full detail on how heart broken she was that no one complimented her new hair. Which kind of I understand why, she wanted this to be YA novel you can't include scenes like that in a YA and it was probably very uncomfortable for her to write about, but (again, in my opinion) I had to constantly remind myself that she wasn't just an overly-dramatic-and-attention-seeking girl who went to far. She had a peeping tom, that she basically was raped, and all of that other stuff.
The author doesn't explain what Hannah was feeling after what that guy did to her, like she did about the stupid compliment notes, I'm sorry but they were stupid. I understand that it upset her, but no one would kill them self just because some one stole a bunch of meaningless papers, that her classmates were forced to write. No, Hannah killed herself because those guys took advantage of her. After that night where she was basically raped, Hannah would have felt insecure, embarrassed, depressed, humiliated, dirty, worthless, and so much more. Plus, her peeping tom would have probably made her feel exposed, suspicious, self-conscious, and paranoid.
So when you add all of that together, Hannah probably felt like she couldn't talk to anyone. She couldn't get help. She obviously thought this was her only way out, but the author doesn't explain any of that in the book, you sort of have to speculate how she felt.
To answer your initial question: Did she try hard enough to live? Obviously not, otherwise she wouldn't have commit suicide, but I think she tried as hard as she knew how. She could have gone to the police, or a consular, or her parents, or a therapist, or a million other people, but I don't think she knew that she could.
The author doesn't explain what Hannah was feeling after what that guy did to her, like she did about the stupid compliment notes, I'm sorry but they were stupid. I understand that it upset her, but no one would kill them self just because some one stole a bunch of meaningless papers, that her classmates were forced to write. No, Hannah killed herself because those guys took advantage of her. After that night where she was basically raped, Hannah would have felt insecure, embarrassed, depressed, humiliated, dirty, worthless, and so much more. Plus, her peeping tom would have probably made her feel exposed, suspicious, self-conscious, and paranoid.
So when you add all of that together, Hannah probably felt like she couldn't talk to anyone. She couldn't get help. She obviously thought this was her only way out, but the author doesn't explain any of that in the book, you sort of have to speculate how she felt.
To answer your initial question: Did she try hard enough to live? Obviously not, otherwise she wouldn't have commit suicide, but I think she tried as hard as she knew how. She could have gone to the police, or a consular, or her parents, or a therapist, or a million other people, but I don't think she knew that she could.
Yes she tried, but like many times in life, when we are reaching out to people they tend to be selfish in their responses.
Natalie wrote: "yeah your right, but it's like she never went to anyone for help, she gave that note in class, and when everyone got angry she stopped talking about it. She never directly said her thohe guidance t..."Most of the time adults tend to think that what young people are going through is just a phase. because they have gone through things and survived, they failed to realize that the things young people are going through at that exact time is new and scary.
I think that the topic in this book, though scary, are true to reality.
Heaven wrote: "The author (in my opinion) glossed over the real reasons why Hannah killed herself. It seemed like she skimmed over when Hannah was talking about being basically raped, but then when into full det..."did you actually READ the book? Have you ever been young? First off the author is a man not woman. The rape was not glossed over. Being a rape victim is a hard pill to swallow and many times the victim finds it easier to analyze the problems around the incident rather than the actual rape. As far as her 'feeling' anything? Rape tends to make you numb. My final question is did everyone listen to every single thing you have ever said in your life? If so you are the only one in the world that has had that experience.
Katie wrote: "Esperanza wrote: "Her 13 reasons weren't actually enough reasons to commit suicide but in the same time who of us didn't think of doing so but ended up seeing it as a stupid idea because life is to..."THANK YOU. My thought exactly. I think when people are first introduced to this book, they want to think only on the act of her suicide, when in reality the book has nothing to do with the actual act itself it has to with bullying and rumors and how words really do hurt. Sometimes when I set and think about the pain that others have caused me in my life. And though it has made me stronger to get through them, there are times when I wish they'd broken my leg instead.
Yasmeen wrote: "Ashley wrote: "She didn't try at all, not really, anything worth trying, (like living) is hard. And not just on her, on everyone, there isn't a person on this planet without loss, pain, and emotion..."i agree wholeheartedly.
Veggy wrote: "I think she tried her hardest. having been there myself, its hard to talk about it to someone. Cuz you know that they will eather judge you or tell somone else and that just breakes your trust.
..."
I agree more than you will ever know. I'm sorry you went through that. I re ally am. But i hope-and am glad- that you pulled out of it. YOu are loved more than you know and always keep your head up. Sorry if u feel like i'm being nosey.
actually, i think she did try her best to live. I read something from the net that Suicide happens when pain exceeds resources for coping with pain. And we all have different coping resources for the pain. So we can't really say that she doesnt have enough reasons to off herself.she just had more pain than resources to cope at the time.
Katie wrote: "Esperanza wrote: "Her 13 reasons weren't actually enough reasons to commit suicide but in the same time who of us didn't think of doing so but ended up seeing it as a stupid idea because life is to..."totally agree..
Vaughn wrote: "Katie wrote: "Esperanza wrote: "Her 13 reasons weren't actually enough reasons to commit suicide but in the same time who of us didn't think of doing so but ended up seeing it as a stupid idea beca..."i agree..it speaks of the feelings themselves -a main topic and purpose of the book that Jay Asher in my opinion had very successfully expressed and that Esperanza had failed to see. i'm very sorry you had to go through that experience- one that i had gone through myself. and i'm very happy we share the effect it did on our lives- making us stronger human beings instead of getting more and more fragile like Hannah's case which had lead her to the sad action of suicide and took life's joy away from her.
Sydney wrote: "Veggy wrote: "I think she tried her hardest. having been there myself, its hard to talk about it to someone. Cuz you know that they will eather judge you or tell somone else and that just breakes..."
Thx... its actualy ppl like u that helped me thru
Veggy~I am very glad you made it through. People are just too caught up in their own little "poor me" situation that no one wants to listen to anyone else's "poor me" situation. But if someone did, there would be a lot more people on Earth than there is right now.
My thoughts....Put yourself in Hannah's situation. What these kids did to her was horrible-calous. Every time she tried to reach out, when an opportunity presented, she would again be slammed. All the lies and rumors destroyed her. Her self worth, her person, her integrity. How awful to feel so unwanted, hated, lied about and false rumors spread about you. She presented all the signs of suicide and practically told Mrs. Bradley by placing the topic of suicide in the bag.
There were so many clues, but it was easier to avoid it by the ones who should have done a whole heck of a lot more; Mrs. Bradley and the guidance counselor, Mr. Porter.
Too bad the one friend she could have trusted wasn't given that opportunity. Hannah's trust was long gone by then.
The only part I didn't care for was the hot tub scene. I didn't feel it was really believable, no matter how shot down she was. I think the ending could have been a bit better as well.
Ƹ̵Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ♥✫Melisa wrote: "My thoughts....
Put yourself in Hannah's situation. What these kids did to her was horrible-calous. Every time she tried to reach out, when an opportunity presented, she would again be slammed. Al..."
I have been through (and am still going through some of it) a lot (not all but a lot) of what Hannah had and it does suck, but suicide isn't EVER the answer. You can't justify someone taking their own life.
Put yourself in Hannah's situation. What these kids did to her was horrible-calous. Every time she tried to reach out, when an opportunity presented, she would again be slammed. Al..."
I have been through (and am still going through some of it) a lot (not all but a lot) of what Hannah had and it does suck, but suicide isn't EVER the answer. You can't justify someone taking their own life.
Heaven wrote: "Ƹ̵Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ♥✫Melisa wrote: "My thoughts....Put yourself in Hannah's situation. What these kids did to her was horrible-calous. Every time she tried to reach out, when an opportunity presented, she wou..."
Maybe WE can't justify it but WE can never know EXACTLY why Hannah and those that do commit suicide do so. Depression affects people differently and on different levels. It's sad that people can be so cruel and sad that some think this is their only option.
And Heaven, you stay strong! You have the right perspective. There are people who do care. Big hugs!ƸӜƷƸӜƷƸӜƷƸӜƷƸӜƷƸӜƷƸӜƷƸӜƷƸӜƷƸӜƷƸӜƷ
I see the comments about the author, Jay Asher, not showing Hannah's personal feelings. I think there is a reason behind it. I'd guess that not everyone who's ever commited suicide or thought about it would feel as Hannah might have. He didn't want to paint a picture for the suicidal person. As the audience, we decide what we think Hannah may have been feeling, but the truth is, we will never know. We can only speculate. There is always the lingering question when someone commits suicide. That question is: WHY.
We all want to know WHY. WHY didn't she do this. WHY didn't she do that. WHY didn't she try harder to reach out. WHY?
Sydney wrote: "Veggy~I am very glad you made it through. People are just too caught up in their own little "poor me" situation that no one wants to listen to anyone else's "poor me" situation. But if someone di..."
very wise; and totally right..
Ƹ̵Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ♥✫Melisa wrote: "My thoughts....Put yourself in Hannah's situation. What these kids did to her was horrible-calous. Every time she tried to reach out, when an opportunity presented, she would again be slammed. Al..."
i find it really confusing that you could understand why Hannah decided to end her life but not why she lied in that tub. it was because she wanted a final reason to let go..to make sure nothing in life was worth living..to have a closure of the long series of unfortunate events she went through thoughout her short life. and she knew that jerk in the tub was the guy for that mission. it was that night when hannah gave up, not when she swallowed those pills. but i do understand why self-secure people -like you appear to be- might not understand her motive. i was not self-secure in a couble of the most important years in one's life, and now i'm barely am, and i'm telling you NEITHER DO I! i find life far too good for us to give up on, and even if like myself, we haven't seen the really good parts yet- we will if we gave ourselves a chance. but the question is: IS IT BELIEVABLE? answer: hell yeah! why do you think that tens of thousands of girls work as prostitutes for example? do you think they can't find any decent careers like they claim all the time? sure they can, they just have nothing more to fight for in life.
and about the ending, totally disagree, i loved it. instead of the obvious thing that Jay Asher could've included -not bullying, being careful when you deal with any person, offering a hand every now and then, which i think everybody who read THIRTEEN REASONS WHY have concluded- he told us how Clay Jensen or Romeo as Hannah likes to call him, had benifited form the incident, how he didn't miss another opporunity. that Sky chick easily could've been going through the same thing as hannah. that was a tip to us; not to repeat the same mistakes that some of not-so-horrible 13 people on hannah's list had done..giving a chance to other people and taking chances ourselves.
p.s pardon me for being so defensive, but i find this book so flawless that i think that anyone who doesn't have the same opinion must've misunderstood.
and for the long post ;)
Heaven wrote: "Ƹ̵Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ♥✫Melisa wrote: "My thoughts....Put yourself in Hannah's situation. What these kids did to her was horrible-calous. Every time she tried to reach out, when an opportunity presented, she wou..."
you're right, you can never justify it or make it right, but you can always see why..
sorry about what you went through, wish you the best, messege me anytime..
Ƹ̵Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ♥✫Melisa wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Ƹ̵Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ♥✫Melisa wrote: "My thoughts....Put yourself in Hannah's situation. What these kids did to her was horrible-calous. Every time she tried to reach out, when an opportunity pr..."
totally right..
Ƹ̵Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ♥✫Melisa wrote: "I see the comments about the author, Jay Asher, not showing Hannah's personal feelings. I think there is a reason behind it. I'd guess that not everyone who's ever commited suicide or thought about..."well, the book is all about the reasons, Melissa, isn't it?
Her life did sincerely suck. i think that she wanted to live and she did all that she could but she just couldn't handle it anymore. some people commit suicide cuz their highschool boyfriend breaks up with them or sumthin but Hannah didn't give up that easily.
Shan'o'ban wrote: "Her life did sincerely suck. i think that she wanted to live and she did all that she could but she just couldn't handle it anymore. some people commit suicide cuz their highschool boyfriend breaks..."i find those characters -don't get me wrong- are far too shallow and insecure people to be compared with Hannnah Baker. she's one of the greatest charchters in history. i haven't read that many books but i don't think i'll change my mind about her as i read more.
#1UgliesSeriesFan!! wrote: "Hannah just gave up, she never tried to really reach out."I agree! Well she did a bit, like with the school counselor, but he tried to be nice, and when he did she walked away, and then she was upset that he didn't chase after her. I mean, that's attention seeking!
From my perspective, she did try but when she did her mind was already made up so, in the end, nothing anyone could of done would of been able to help without some major hospitalization. Whether or not that means she gave up depends on the person. I don't think she just flat out gave up. If she had then she wouldn't of had time to make the tapes and make logical decisions on killing herself. She couldn't of taken the steps of changing her look or giving her bike away or placing a note.
When you are that depressed it is hard to reach out to get help, and when you get so many negative responses. I think she did everything she could have.
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