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Did anyone else find Katniss annoying?
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I find her annoying at times mainly because of her treatment to Peeta. I do agree with Haymitch when he said that Katniss doesn't deserve Peeta. :)But I still find Katniss as a strong girl and her character as one of the most realistic and relatable because of its flaws.
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Can I also point out that it was extremely stupid of Katniss to blame Gale for Prim's death?
we had been through this point before. lol
Ayesha wrote: "Can I also point out that it was extremely stupid of Katniss to blame Gale for Prim's death?"That also felt like lazy writing to me! As if it was just written as a way to have Katniss "decide" (though, she didn't really choose) to be with Peeta rather than to pursue whatever feelings she might have had for Gale.
I really dislike love-triangles, but especially ones written like that. It was an unsatisfactory conclusion to Katniss' and Gale's relationship as a whole.
Mariah wrote: "That also felt like lazy writing to me! As if it was just written as a way to have Katniss "decide" (though, she didn't really choose) to be with Peeta rather than to pursue whatever feelings she might have had for Gale."So, aside from Katniss; her creator Collins is also to be blamed.
Caitlin wrote: "Gosh. I could NOT believe that Katniss voted for the capital games! What was she thinking! After all that the rebellion worked for, after all the deaths and horrible things that happened, don't ..." agree totlly...her actions were stupid...and Prim's death is no excuse..
Mizuki wrote: "So, aside from Katniss; her creator Collins is also to be blamed. "Yeah. As far as I'm concerned, anyway. Collins, I think, is capable of making good characters with good character development. With Katniss, she just...I don't even really know. Katniss could have been so much better, in my opinion, and even if you didn't have the portions that are just lazy writing (again, in my opinion), it would have been better, too.
Mariah wrote: "Yeah. As far as I'm concerned, anyway. Collins, I think, is capable of making good characters with good character development. With Katniss, she just...I don't even really know. Katniss could have been so much better, in my opinion, and even if you didn't have the portions that are just lazy writing (again, in my opinion), it would have been better, too. "Agree.
Mariah wrote: "Mizuki wrote: "So, aside from Katniss; her creator Collins is also to be blamed. "Yeah. As far as I'm concerned, anyway. Collins, I think, is capable of making good characters with good character..."
Katniss did have character development. Sadly, she developed into an unlikable and extremely confused person. As for the ending (what you call lazy writing) was disappointing. However, I don't really see any other way the author could have ended the series. The entire trilogy lead to the point where the rebels took over the government. After that, what else was there? Katniss had Peeta because Gale was an idiot ditched her when she needed him most. Her family was destroyed when Prim died. She didn't have a place as a leader in the new government, because she had been used as pawn and figurehead, no more. Plus, she was an emotional wreck and couldn't handle responsibility. The author wrote herself into a "corner". There really wasn't that much more that she could have done to the story to produce a better, more satisfying ending.
Blue wrote: "She really annoyed me when she got to the love triangle crisis of her life, but I really admire her bravery and courage. I can't blame her for acting the way she did after everything she's gone thr..."WinterRose wrote: "Katniss is one of those characters that I started off liking and ended up hating by the end of the series. I couldn't stand her, but what's more is how worshipped she is by everyone else. I found h..."
i feel exactly the same way
I can't believe that so many people really think that Katniss wanted the Hunger Games back. No, she didn't want that at all. If there was anything she hated, it was the Hunger Games and she wouldn't want them back. True, she changed in Mockingjay, became a more negative person, but her personality didn't change 180 degrees. She HATED the HG.
She voted yes to tell Haymitch what she wanted to tell him before, that she thinks Coin is responsible for Prim's death. She wants to find out if he understands her. That is also why she adds: for Prim. She knows Coin is the reason Prim died, therefore having another HG for Prim is not logical for her to want. What she does want is to talk to Haymitch about it, but she can't and that is why she does it like this. You should not be taking her vote literally.
In the epilogue it is evident that the HG ended and also how Katniss feels about them:
"The arenas have been completely destroyed, the memorials built, there are no more Hunger Games.But they teach about them at school, and the girl knows we played a role in them. The boy will know in a few years. How can I tell them about that world without frightening them to death?"
Without frightening them to death. So, this is how Katniss feels about the HG.
She voted yes to tell Haymitch what she wanted to tell him before, that she thinks Coin is responsible for Prim's death. She wants to find out if he understands her. That is also why she adds: for Prim. She knows Coin is the reason Prim died, therefore having another HG for Prim is not logical for her to want. What she does want is to talk to Haymitch about it, but she can't and that is why she does it like this. You should not be taking her vote literally.
In the epilogue it is evident that the HG ended and also how Katniss feels about them:
"The arenas have been completely destroyed, the memorials built, there are no more Hunger Games.But they teach about them at school, and the girl knows we played a role in them. The boy will know in a few years. How can I tell them about that world without frightening them to death?"
Without frightening them to death. So, this is how Katniss feels about the HG.
Aeva wrote: "Personally, I disliked Katniss.Throughout the entire series i found her to be a whining little girl without developed thought.
What really pushed me to the edge was how she voted to continue the..."
I dont think she actually meant to continue.I think it was at this moment that she decided to kill coin as her question to continue hunger games confirmed that she indeed had ordered the bombing that resulted in Prim's death
Katniss was a realistic character. And I found her to be at her strongest in this book. Yeah.
Mariah wrote: "Sandra wrote: " SHE had the guts to stand up to the Capital. And all the propos were her way of fighting back."I don't understand how the propos were her fighting back. They were mostly District 1..."
This is really late bc when I commented before I thought it replied to you, but what I meant was that I felt like she just didn't know whether to trust the others or not, but she did want to help (which is why she did the props.) The propos were scripted at first, but then they realized that wasn't working and things only worked out when she was being natural. And she did a lot of things - like attempt to save 8, showed mercy to that boy in (I think) 8, etc. And I admired her when she and Johanna, even when they were in immense pain, got up every morning to train and generally stood up for themselves.
Aeva wrote: "Personally, I disliked Katniss.Throughout the entire series i found her to be a whining little girl without developed thought.
What really pushed me to the edge was how she voted to continue the..."
THANK YOU!
She is whiny, ungrateful and selfish. Frankly, she is the worst character of the trilogy.
Raïssa wrote: "Aeva wrote: "Personally, I disliked Katniss.Throughout the entire series i found her to be a whining little girl without developed thought.
What really pushed me to the edge was how she voted to..."
I seriously hope you are kidding. "Ungrateful" though? Seriously? What did she have to be grateful FOR? So much bad was going on. And she's as selfish as anyone else, except she did have moments of selflessness - like when she's saving someone.
wow im just sitting here fuming. Did we even read the same book? there is an unreasonable curent of ignorance running through a lot of these posts. sc didnt write the series to explore how to be a perfect mary sue heroine. it was written to show that war is sometimes necessary but has devastating costs.
Diana wrote: "wow im just sitting here fuming. Did we even read the same book? there is an unreasonable curent of ignorance running through a lot of these posts. sc didnt write the series to explore how to be a perfect mary sue heroine. it was written to show that war is sometimes necessary but has devastating costs. "Answer: No, we did not read the same book. Books can be analyzed and taken different ways. The people whose opinion differs from yours -- they're NOT ignorant. They have an opinion that's fine for them to have, mind you.
Your comment is just plain rude.
This book made me hate the author for using the first person. You know who isn't a good FirstPersonPOV-Character? The one who is either on drugs, unconcious or in deep self hate about how it is all her fault. Say something that is not annoying, please.
Isabella wrote: "Katniss is actually one of my favourite characters out of any book ever. And I mean, ever. She's actually realistic. She's not all happy and perfect all the time, like a lot of other characters I c..."I agree with you. She was a real girl trying to survive under conditions that would crush most people. Her motivation from the beginning was trying to do the best she could in increasingly difficult times. She was never in control of her own life and didn't expect to be. She was pushed from one situation to another just trying to do the best that she could for those who depended on her. When the number of people who depended on her grew beyond her family and friends, she was overwhelmed and confused.
Doesn't it say something about this character that so many people can find so much in her to discuss?
Victor wrote: "This book made me hate the author for using the first person. You know who isn't a good FirstPersonPOV-Character? The one who is either on drugs, unconcious or in deep self hate about how it is all her fault. Say something that is not annoying, please. "Well, you are right. The part about Katniss's constantly going on about how it's 'all her fault' makes me dislike her in both book 2 and book 3 (not so much in book 2, but she became insufferable in book 3).
I mean, she's always quick to blame herself, she's always quick to condemn Gale, Distinct 13 and etc for their 'wrong doing' (regardless of whether it's real wrong doing or not); however she never condemns the Capitol for YEARS OF SUFFERING AND DEATH with as much passion (The most she does is expressing hatred toward Snow, I would give her that)
Lynn wrote: "Isabella wrote: "Katniss is actually one of my favourite characters out of any book ever. And I mean, ever. She's actually realistic. She's not all happy and perfect all the time, like a lot of oth..."^^^^^!!!!!
Yes, I really wish that she would've died. Not an evil way, but she should've died an honorable death. I hated her character, but admired it enough to know that there wouldn't be a story without her.
Can we just, for a moment, talk about the fact that Katniss put people's lives at risk for her own selfish reasoning? So she could find a way to kill Snow? Instead of collaborating with others and formulating a real plan to kill Snow, she wings it and as a result ends up unnecessarily putting people like Finnick at risk. For no reason.
I would be able to except Finnick's death better if it had been that he AGREED to go on a PLANNED mission to murder Snow. But he wasn't. He was dragged along because Katniss didn't think anything through.
Mariah wrote: "Can we just, for a moment, talk about the fact that Katniss put people's lives at risk for her own selfish reasoning? So she could find a way to kill Snow? Instead of collaborating with others and ..."At first Katniss's decision of giving her teammates a self-assigned mission to assassinate Snow made me feel very uncomfortable for I can hardly see any point for this mission aside from "Coin is EVIL!" and "I hate Snow! He needs to die!". Then I thought more closely about it, there really is hardly any point for Katniss to put her friends and teammates into so much danger just because she thinks Snow needs to die. After this realization was driven home, I feel very pissed off that so many people died because of Katniss. And this time for real, she has herself to blame.
Mizuki wrote: "At first Katniss's decision of giving her teammates a self-assigned mission to assassinate Snow made me feel very uncomfortable for I can hardly see any point for this mission aside from "Coin is EVIL!" and "I hate Snow! He needs to die!". Then I thought more closely about it, there really is hardly any point for Katniss to put her friends and teammates into so much danger just because she thinks Snow needs to die. After this realization was driven home, I feel very pissed off that so many people died because of Katniss. And this time for real, she has herself to blame."I agree. And Katniss, for me, is one of those situations where though I like and appreciate when characters have flaws, Katniss just has so many that it makes her an unbearable character to follow. Everyone knows people like that in real life too. Those people whose flaws take over and never allow the good qualities to show. That's what Katniss is like for me.
Mariah wrote: "I agree. And Katniss, for me, is one of those situations where though I like and appreciate when characters have flaws, Katniss just has so many that it makes her an unbearable character to follow. Everyone knows people like that in real life too. Those people whose flaws take over and never allow the good qualities to show. That's what Katniss is like for me."If only in the end, Katniss did feel sorry for leading her friends and teammates to their untimely death, I would have liked her or at least been able to put up with her better. But this doesn't happen. Not only she becomes Bella Swan in the end and to make things worse, "I lost everything and everyone" is basically what she has in mind, not once has she thought about "my friends died because of me and my stupid decisions". That's insufferable.
i like katniss. she is not whiny. she is kick ass and independent.
Well, Katniss' decisions aren't what started the games, or chose people to fight in it. Once she was a popular tribute, the peacekeepers came, and she couldn't stop that. In the second book, she was rescued by the leaders of District 13 and the leaders of the rebellion. She couldn't help that either. Katniss was trapped. She couldn't just leave the rebellion, but she knew that if she joined it, more people would be hurt. In the end, Katniss is just a very unlucky character, who thinks quickly in battle. She's pretty kick ass(you're right about that Veronica) but she makes bad decisions when it comes to leading others. She's not reliable, and has trouble looking past her own problems. She shouldn't have ever been a leader, just a figurehead. Just a supporter.
Mariah wrote: "Can we just, for a moment, talk about the fact that Katniss put people's lives at risk for her own selfish reasoning? So she could find a way to kill Snow? Instead of collaborating with others and ..."But didn't they know that the mission wasn't real? She felt bad and told them that she just wanted to kill Snow, and they said that they already knew.
I did not find Katniss annoying just imagine all this happening to you you have no Idea how you would react.Not to mention her little sister was killed by the very people she hates.She took it better than anyone else in this book could.Showing her emotions allowed me to see she's not cold hearted and untouchable.I feel this made the book even better than it already was.I will admit she was wrong to suggest another hunger games out of revenge and anger,the very thing she fought to end.In real life as a person I think I could get along with her just my opinion.
I like Katniss in the first two books. In the last book I found her irritating, I understand she went through a ton, and was going through a bunch of shock but she seemed to shut right down. But her voting for the Hunger Games to continue did really annoy me, I thought about that days after I finished. Have sympathy on the Capitol kids. They were just raised that way, but not that you are in charge you can make better future. Really quick ... Katniss and them had this whole rebellion because Snow made the Hunger Games up (to punish them for rebelling the first time), than when she is in charge she wants to continue the Hunger Games (to punish the capitol for making them play in the games). It seems to me that it is just one long GAME (see what I did there) of revenge, that will forever continue with Games, Rebellion, Games, Rebellion ... etc, and it will continue like that until you take the Games out. So it seemed like suck a silly decision to me. PS: Thanks for reading all of that.
Katniss obviously didn't want to start a new hunger games, that was all a ploy. That's why she was talking about if Haymitch really understood her, Haymitch would vote with her. They have a strong bond, because they are so alike. Katniss knew she was going to shoot Coin with the arrow right when she proposed starting a new hunger games. She just had to "agree" with it.
Jules:) wrote: "In MJ yes she pissed me off. Too complainy and sedated all the time. (is complainy even a word?:P) But I think she voted for the games because she had in her head to kill Coin. Collins didn't let u..." Yeah I totally agree. Katniss knew she was going to shoot Coin the moment she mentioned the new hunger games
Hannah wrote: "Jules:) wrote: "In MJ yes she pissed me off. Too complainy and sedated all the time. (is complainy even a word?:P) But I think she voted for the games because she had in her head to kill Coin. Coll..."I am glad you cleared that up, I understand it a lot more and sympathize a lot more with Katniss' Character.
Meadow wrote: "Hannah wrote: "Jules:) wrote: "In MJ yes she pissed me off. Too complainy and sedated all the time. (is complainy even a word?:P) But I think she voted for the games because she had in her head to ..."Yeah, Katniss would definitely be much less desired of a character if she actually wanted a new hunger games
Ryeleigh wrote: "Valeria wrote: "I don't personally like her as a person, I mean, her character was kickass and all that and she was confident and cool but if I met her in real life I just wouldn't like her. Some s..."I agree. Like she changed as a character throughout the books, and she did become less likeable. That was why it took me so long to read Mockingjay because I just didn't enjoy Katniss as much.
After finishing the book I gave this a lot of thought, and this is what I came up with. In the first book Katniss is normal, her thinking is fairly logical, she understands her place in the world.By the second book she is damaged, her thinking is a little left of center. You can't 100% trust her to know what is happening around her, but on the whole she sees things pretty normally.
In this book, Katniss is no longer a credible narrator and I credit Suzanne Collins for pulling that off. She's drugged, she's been through the grinder twice, she's had a complete plot pulled off behind her back, and so on. What you see as whiny is her preoccupation with what she's been through, but the bigger picture is that she has a heightened sense of her importance in the world when really she serves very little purpose and doesn't know how to handle that.
By the end she figured out that she has a skill and its to kill. So she goes uses it to kill Coin, who is really the bigger villain.
Aeva wrote: "Personally, I disliked Katniss.Throughout the entire series i found her to be a whining little girl without developed thought.
What really pushed me to the edge was how she voted to continue the..."
She was being used. Her life wasn't her own. The Capitol used her and others from the district to show their power over the people. Then they used her to "show 'em their place" when they put all victors in, to show that no one was safe. Then district 13 was using her as the mockingjay to help promote their agenda.
Any person who is put through war and what they went through isn't going to act like a typical person.
Shannon said: By the end, she figures out that she has a skill and its to kill. So she goes uses it on Coin, who really is the bigger villain."Did she have proof that Coin was a bigger villain? All that's said is that she MAY have deployed the bomb and that's by SNOW'S word, right? (I suppose you can count the new Hunger Games idea, but that's a very tiny sliver of evidence and personally doesn't convince me.)
If she didn't have any real evidence (not to mention since Coin wasn't put up to execution by the law), what Katniss did was wrong. She should have killed Snow considering she had real evidence of that he was good-for-nothing and he was put to execution by the law.
Mariah wrote: "Did she have proof that Coin was a bigger villain? All that's said is that she MAY have deployed the bomb and that's by SNOW'S word, right? ( I suppose you can count the new Hunger Games idea, but that's a very tiny sliver of evidence and personally doesn't convince me.) I didn't mention this part before because it's too stupid. Snow told Katniss Coin is the evil mastermind behind the bomb which killed Prim and the kids from Capitol, and guess what? Katniss believe his words instead of doubting that he may have said those things to mess with her mind!
Katniss actually believed the words of a man who put kids in front of his mansion to use them as a shield.
But Mariah, in here our opinions are the unpopular ones anyway.
If she didn't have any real evidence (not to mention since Coin wasn't put up to execution by the law), what Katniss did was wrong. She should have killed Snow considering she had real evidence of that he was good-for-nothing and he was put to execution by the law."
Aside from that, I don't know why Katniss killing Coin can stop the Hunger Games for Capitol kids. Coin claimed that there're many citizens wanting to see a Capitol Hunger Games, and I believe it's true, and how would Coin's death result in the Capitol Hunger Games being called off and suddenly all citizens stop wanting a Hunger Games for Capitol's children!? Come on, those people wouldn't suddenly stopped wanting revenge just because Coin is dead.
i did a little. like when everyone started to die i was like 'what will make her realize that she is killing everyone?' but i had to remind myself that she is doing it for her and everyone. How many people had to die for her to realize she was the only one alive. i feel like she took all the credit when ya she deserves the attention but what about everyone else?
Falen wrote: "i did a little. like when everyone started to die i was like 'what will make her realize that she is killing everyone?' but i had to remind myself that she is doing it for her and everyone. How man..."Good question you ask here, Falen.
And if Katniss actually admits she had caused (at least partly caused) the death of her teammates, I would be okay with her. But it never happens.
Mizuki wrote: "Falen wrote: "i did a little. like when everyone started to die i was like 'what will make her realize that she is killing everyone?' but i had to remind myself that she is doing it for her and eve..."Falen wrote: "i did a little. like when everyone started to die i was like 'what will make her realize that she is killing everyone?' but i had to remind myself that she is doing it for her and everyone. How man..."
I think figureheads often take all the credit. That's what Katniss was--a figurehead, a pawn of the revolution. Few of the people behind the scenes got any credit for their role in overthrowing the government. And maybe some of them liked it that way. WIthout attention on them, they were free to do what they wanted, without the consent of the districts.
Yes. It was absolutely selfish that she never apologizes for the deaths she caused (or was involved in causing). However, the reader does get to see how sorry she is. For instance, when she doesn't follow the cards at her speech and a man is shot, she freaks. Sadly, she couldn't apologize in that situation because Snow wanted her to pretend that nothing had happened.
Mariah wrote: "Shannon said: By the end, she figures out that she has a skill and its to kill. So she goes uses it on Coin, who really is the bigger villain."Did she have proof that Coin was a bigger villain? Al..."
Like I said, she isn't a credible narrator. Whether you or I logically think Coin was or was not a greater villain, she was groomed to believe Snow throughout the books. So when faced with one evil or another, she made a choice.
And this, more than anything else, shows her character development because for so much of the book she shrank away from facing her demons. At the end, she made a choice.
Shannon wrote: "Like I said, she isn't a credible narrator. Whether you or I logically think Coin was or was not a greater villain, she was groomed to believe Snow throughout the books. So when faced with one evil or another, she made a choice.And this, more than anything else, shows her character development because for so much of the book she shrank away from facing her demons. At the end, she made a choice. "
Though I don't agree with you, I can see your point. For me, even if the narrator isn't credible, the readers should have enough REAL evidence of something like this. It really, to me, felt like it was done for shock factor, like a lot of things throughout the Hunger Games series was.
Aeva wrote: "Personally, I disliked Katniss.
Throughout the entire series i found her to be a whining little girl without developed thought.
What really pushed me to the edge was how she voted to continue the..."
Aeva wrote: "Personally, I disliked Katniss.
Throughout the entire series i found her to be a whining little girl without developed thought.
What really pushed me to the edge was how she voted to continue the..."
I completely agree with you. She literally complained about dumb repetitive things on every single page and half the book she was sedated UGH Suzanne Collins you disappointed me :(
Throughout the entire series i found her to be a whining little girl without developed thought.
What really pushed me to the edge was how she voted to continue the..."
Aeva wrote: "Personally, I disliked Katniss.
Throughout the entire series i found her to be a whining little girl without developed thought.
What really pushed me to the edge was how she voted to continue the..."
I completely agree with you. She literally complained about dumb repetitive things on every single page and half the book she was sedated UGH Suzanne Collins you disappointed me :(
I never thought that she actually wanted the Hunger Games to continue. Katniss was angry about Prim's death, but I don't think she would never wish what she went through on anyone else. She gave a temporary answer to please President Coin for the moment. I never believed that she intended to go through with the idea.However, I did find her very irritating at some points. She was whiny and her "bravery" quickly became annoying disobedience. She was hard-headed and selfish.
Katniss is fabulous the way she is. I found her a lot similar to myself.
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