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It's good to receive all this information on KDP. Thanks everyone!
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I personally feel that Amazon/KDP treats indie authors better than the other places do. ;o) I've had great success with the program and I love the fact that we get paid for the PRIME lends. I average at least 100+ per month on each of my books.
That's just my two cents! ;o) I know its different for everyone.
There are so many factors to consider when trying to make the decision that is best for you. Being self published isn't easy, but dang is it a lot of fun! And the people you get to meet. ;o)
Thanks for letting me share!
Hugs,
Suzan

Nick, so does this mean, that if two authors trade reviews and they send each other files that can be read online or on a device, that this counts as a gift?
Thanks, Lynn


If the intent of the book swap is solely for a review, then yes, the reviewer has to give a disclaimer that they were given the book for a review. This is not a gift but a swap of products for services.
A gift is freely given without any conditions or exchange of services. In other words, no review is expected.
There are too many sites offering paid 4 and 5 star reviews and this is making it hard for the average reader to make an informed decision. It also cooks the ratings...
Now, if an author has books listed for free and a reader downloads the book and gives a review on their own, then no disclaimer is needed. This goes for books borrowed from libraries as well, or of course, books bought, even if at a used book store.
You have to remember, reviews are not for the author, but for the average reader to learn what other readers thought about a particular book, good or bad.

I have had books in the KDP Select Program, and have talked to other authors who have experience in the program. What I have seen, and your results may vary, is downloads in the four digits for my debut novel, having split my giveaway days into two separate promotions spaced a couple months apart. Despite the number of downloads, thousands of books given away did almost nothing for sales and resulted in a single review - a good review mind you, but just the one.
I have talked to other authors who have had similar results. From conversations with people who have been at this far longer than I, they told me KDP Select used to be a much bigger deal when it first started. The idea of free books was novel and fresh and drew readers by the tens of thousands. There were huge initial responses and the program was highly successful. But over time, the novelty wore off. There are now hundreds of books promoted for free every day. Notices for free books are like junk mail. Kindle owners have become inured. The numbers of downloads has decreased, and authors I talk to wonder if the books are even being read. There is a theory that many, if not most, of those taking advantage of KDP Select giveaways are filling their Kindles with free books, and deleting most to make room for the next wave.
What they describe, though I can't say it's true, fits with my experiences. A large number of downloads didn't really translate to anything where sales are concerned, and the hope that at least people were reading my work didn't seem to be true either. After my first KDP Select period, I withdrew my books from the program. I went into it well aware that signing up was helping promote an unhealthy monopoly, but did so to put my book on the map and maybe become one of those KDP success stories. But I now realize that boat may have already sailed well before I arrived on the scene.
To those of you trying KDP Select, let me know how your experience goes, whether you see a real boost in sales or receive a significant number of reviews as a result of the program.
Let’s put some perspective on this.
For various reasons (Primarily because I had been taken by some baddies on Editors & Preditors - which did not exist at the time I retained them) and had to get my works out SOMEWHERE ELSE) I parked three of my works on Kindle. (If I had it to do over again I would have staggered their release dates.) At any rate, that was May of 2011. They moved along, a sale here and a sale there…
Then I signed up for KDP select because I thought it would get them more exposure. The free giveaways were not a motivating factor.
My first month with a giveaway was February. So here are my sales figures:
February 2012: Sales that month were 461% of January’s sales.
March 2012: 131% of February’s sales (translates to 31% increase) **1 freebie, 1 day for my lowest selling book.
April 2012: No change – 1 freebie, 1 day apiece for each book
May 2012: 137% of April’s – 1 freebie, one day apiece for two of my books.
June 2012: Back to April Levels - 1 freebie, one day apiece for two of my books.
July 2012: Back to April levels (Olympics; sales began to increase late in the month) NO GIVEAWAYS
August 2012: 143% of July levels (I started advertising – and I don’t mean tweeting other authors) 1 giveaway – 3 days, 1 book
September 2012: 124% of August (continued advertising) 1 giveaway, 5 days, 1 book
October (to date): Same at this moment as September. BUT I hit the top 100 in my division and have stayed there after the giveaway ended. 1 giveaway, 5 days, 1 book
My sales as of this date are 1,264% of sales as of January of this year before I joined KDP select.
The last two giveaways I took one book and used the entire 5 days in one giveaway. It seems to work well. I also geared up my advertising (and, as I said, it doesn’t involve tweeting). I did stop posting on the Amazon writers’ forums to advertise, by the way. All this was while I was dealing with a death, in August, of a very close relative.
Bottom line: you have to think things through. Advertising is important, as is strategizing.
KDP Select by itself won't sell your books for you. But it gets you out there and looked at. The rest is up to the quality of your book.
For various reasons (Primarily because I had been taken by some baddies on Editors & Preditors - which did not exist at the time I retained them) and had to get my works out SOMEWHERE ELSE) I parked three of my works on Kindle. (If I had it to do over again I would have staggered their release dates.) At any rate, that was May of 2011. They moved along, a sale here and a sale there…
Then I signed up for KDP select because I thought it would get them more exposure. The free giveaways were not a motivating factor.
My first month with a giveaway was February. So here are my sales figures:
February 2012: Sales that month were 461% of January’s sales.
March 2012: 131% of February’s sales (translates to 31% increase) **1 freebie, 1 day for my lowest selling book.
April 2012: No change – 1 freebie, 1 day apiece for each book
May 2012: 137% of April’s – 1 freebie, one day apiece for two of my books.
June 2012: Back to April Levels - 1 freebie, one day apiece for two of my books.
July 2012: Back to April levels (Olympics; sales began to increase late in the month) NO GIVEAWAYS
August 2012: 143% of July levels (I started advertising – and I don’t mean tweeting other authors) 1 giveaway – 3 days, 1 book
September 2012: 124% of August (continued advertising) 1 giveaway, 5 days, 1 book
October (to date): Same at this moment as September. BUT I hit the top 100 in my division and have stayed there after the giveaway ended. 1 giveaway, 5 days, 1 book
My sales as of this date are 1,264% of sales as of January of this year before I joined KDP select.
The last two giveaways I took one book and used the entire 5 days in one giveaway. It seems to work well. I also geared up my advertising (and, as I said, it doesn’t involve tweeting). I did stop posting on the Amazon writers’ forums to advertise, by the way. All this was while I was dealing with a death, in August, of a very close relative.
Bottom line: you have to think things through. Advertising is important, as is strategizing.
KDP Select by itself won't sell your books for you. But it gets you out there and looked at. The rest is up to the quality of your book.

When KDP Select first started, it was a rousing success. Readers schooled up like sharks at a feeding frenzy. But, years later, the numbers are much lower. Fewer people take part in the giveaways. They have been hammered by free offers and discouraged by poor quality books. The outrageous download numbers of the early days have dried up. You don't hear of people achieving 100,000+ downloads over a weekend anymore. And the people who do download, rarely read the books they've downloaded. They may read one or two, but their Kindles are jammed full of them and there are dozens of new free books offered up every day.
My experience is that there may be a very modest temporary bump in sales, but that's all. And to accomplish it, you held your book out of six other markets while helping Amazon put those competitors out of business. Is the reward worth it? I'm saying for me it wasn't. And I know a lot of other authors who feel the same way. In fact, though only a small sampling, I would be willing to say most authors are finding it is no longer worth it. The rewards are meager, and you are giving up something to be enrolled.
Mark wrote: "I never said there was no reward in self publishing..."
Mark:
I accidentally included a quote from another message I posted. It was deleted before you posted your most recent one. Check my post. Not sure how it got in there in the first place.
The rest - my own experience with KDP select - is unchanged.
Note: KDP was not rolled out until December, 2011. It has not been around a year yet.
Here's an article announcing it:
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/12/09/amazon...
I was on other distributions before I went to KDP select and my sales were low to nil, so I was able to leave them behind without a qualm. Future books? Not sure yet...
I will comment that some people I spoke with don't care for their Nooks and are switching to Kindle. I have also heard horror stories of lower royalties (my KDP pays 70%) and very slow payments. I decided that it evened out.
Mark:
I accidentally included a quote from another message I posted. It was deleted before you posted your most recent one. Check my post. Not sure how it got in there in the first place.
The rest - my own experience with KDP select - is unchanged.
Note: KDP was not rolled out until December, 2011. It has not been around a year yet.
Here's an article announcing it:
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/12/09/amazon...
I was on other distributions before I went to KDP select and my sales were low to nil, so I was able to leave them behind without a qualm. Future books? Not sure yet...
I will comment that some people I spoke with don't care for their Nooks and are switching to Kindle. I have also heard horror stories of lower royalties (my KDP pays 70%) and very slow payments. I decided that it evened out.

For various reasons (Primarily because I had been taken by some baddies on Editors & Preditors - which did not exist at the time I retained them) and had to get ..."
What I'm starting to notice after reading every thread on this subject, is that it seems authors with more than one book tend to have more success with KDP Select than first-timers, like me. I have similar experiences like Mark and Eric.
But the bottom line is really advertising. This seems to be the part where indies start wishing they had an agent (even though agents and publishers are rumored to leave marketing up to the author anyway.) I've more or less accepted the fact that this won't come overnight and I've got to get the next two books finished and out there.
Laura wrote: "authors with more than one book tend to have more success with KDP Select than first-timers, like me..."
My mistake was putting three out at once. Two were previously published. My sales on both over ten years equaled my sales on both on Amazon in the seven months they were on Kindle prior to KDP Select.
However, having more than one garners interest. 'Hm... I liked this - anything else out by her?'
Do you have a website with what's on offer and what's going to be on offer? Set one up!
And now I am going out to get more firewood in the face of Frankenstorm...
My mistake was putting three out at once. Two were previously published. My sales on both over ten years equaled my sales on both on Amazon in the seven months they were on Kindle prior to KDP Select.
However, having more than one garners interest. 'Hm... I liked this - anything else out by her?'
Do you have a website with what's on offer and what's going to be on offer? Set one up!
And now I am going out to get more firewood in the face of Frankenstorm...

For various reasons (Primarily because I had been taken by some baddies on Editors & Preditors - which did not exist at the time I retained them) a..."
I published the first book as the first part of a trilogy and have that posted on my web site, too. The actual story I wanted to write is the third book. When I started researching, there was so much meaty backstory and I didn't know how to pack it all in. So the backstory became the first book. I'm revising the second and I'm starting the third one for NaNo (gulp! It starts on Thursday!!)This really helps, because in order to start the third, I have to know how to end the second (which I hadn't done.)
It's snowing here, too. It's not sticking but it's cold and windy. Got the fire going here, too, I want to bake brownies and I only have a wood-fired oven. Every year when the electric prices go up, I get rid of another electric appliance (except the dishwasher...)

Laura wrote: "Laura wrote: "Diana wrote: "Let’s put some perspective on this.
For various reasons (Primarily because I had been taken by some baddies on Editors & Preditors - which did not exist at the time I re..."
Just saw your website - nice! You certainly don't need coaching! (Now I, on the other hand...)
I was considering approaching BubbleCow when my WIP is closer to finished (editing work, I was thinking...)
Sorry to go off topic...
For various reasons (Primarily because I had been taken by some baddies on Editors & Preditors - which did not exist at the time I re..."
Just saw your website - nice! You certainly don't need coaching! (Now I, on the other hand...)
I was considering approaching BubbleCow when my WIP is closer to finished (editing work, I was thinking...)
Sorry to go off topic...
K.A. wrote: "Off-topic, but Laura, when I was a kid we had only a wood-burning oven & stove (actually, it was designed for coal, but we used wood). My experience was, when you really wanted to bake, you could p..."
Love my wood-burning stove!
Love my wood-burning stove!

Has anyone corrected a Kindle doc? I read that you just have to upload the corrected file and that's that.
When I want to bake, the oven either stays at 250 or shoots up to 500 (like when my husband puts wood on the fire and I don't know because I'm sitting at the computer!)

For various reasons (Primarily because I had been taken by some baddies on Editors & Preditors - which did not exist at the time I retained them) and had to get ..."
I'm doing some analysis on this. When you say sales increased 400+%, what was the baseline in units and what did they increase to (in units)?

William wrote: "I'm doing some analysis on this. When you say sales increased 400+%, what was the baseline in units and what did they increase to (in units)?..."
Hi, William -
I am afraid that I don't discuss my finances. Suffice it to say that the increase in my overall income pleases me greatly. Others may be happy to be more specific.
Hi, William -
I am afraid that I don't discuss my finances. Suffice it to say that the increase in my overall income pleases me greatly. Others may be happy to be more specific.
I have one question for everyone. I think that it is brilliant to self-publish but how do you know that your work is really excellent? Do you have such 100% faith in yourself? I know that thankfully we all have choice in our books but don't you think that it is better to go the "traditional" route where the publishers/literary agents know a brilliant book when they see it?

Hi, William -
I am afraid that I d..."
I understand that completely. I was simply wondering if 1 book turned into 4 or if 1,000 turned into 4,000. Those are completely different results and germaine to the discussion.

I've gone the traditional route and I am now self published. To your point, it is unfortunate that there are so many self published books out there that just aren't ready. As for me, I don't have 100% faith in myself so I hired an editor, in fact it was Robert Ludlam's editor, to review the work. I had many readers, a copy editor, I did exactly what a publisher would do before sending the book to market. By all accounts, it's excellent and the reception is more than I expected.
What I found as a problem in the traditional route was the commercial judgement of agents. Understandably, they weren't judging the excellence of the work as much as they were judging whether they could get a deal in the next quarter given backlog, what's "hot", liklihood of a blockbuster, and a number of other commercial criteria. In the end, I gave up on agents (my subject wasn't hot...until last month) and took the advice of the CEO of a publishing house who urged me to self publish.
I have recently seen hateful blog posts about about indie authors (thank you that yours was not one of them) killing the publishing business. I disagree. Indie authors are changing the way readers select and buy but in the end, the good stuff from indies is out there and with hard work it will sell. The bad stuff is also out there and over the long haul it won't. Indies don't have the same access to book stores as publishers but, again, hard work will get you there.
It's unfortunate that some indie authors don't take the time to learn the business, do the right things along the way, and many products that are not good are easily published. But I've also read books from known authors published by big houses that I threw in the trash after a few chapters.
We're in a time of transition and I hope that the process and the quality will shake itself out. I believe that it will. In the meantime, I enjoy the control I have over my work.
Thanks for asking a great question. I hope I was able to help.

I have done that. You simply just replace what's out there with the corrected file. But your Kindle version will be unavailable for a few hours. They say it could be unavailable for 24 - 48 hours I think, but it is never that long.

I spent a number of years in a very good critiquing group. During that time I began work on a novel which I continued to work on after the group itself (inevitably) dispersed.
I worked on that novel for over ten years, and while there is some good stuff in it, when I was done I took a hard cold look at it, and realized that both the novel, and myself as a writer, could be better.
So I wrote my next book as a pure labor of love. And while there are undoubtably flaws in it, I know it is the best thing I have ever written, because I am a harsher critic of my own work that most (reasonable) reviewers.
Adding to this that the book has turned into the beginning of a long term project, and I am fifty-five years old, and willing to stand by the novel and see this project come to its ultimate conclusion, I chose to go the self-published route. And if, in the end, the readers feel about it as I do, then it may well be that I'm approached by a traditional publisher. It's happened before, and will no doubt happen again. YMMV.
William wrote: "Those are completely different results and germaine to the discussion..."
William, you're a gentleman (and your book looks like a really good read. I also enjoyed reading your Goodreads profile. As someone who grew up in the military I enjoyed the (redacted) parts.
Good points. I can say sales were constant but not huge. Using the KDP promotions haphazardly got my books into the upper 750 - 1000 of their categories (historical fiction/mystery; two in particular).
When I started being a little more scientific about the promotions and using judicious advertising techniques and considering timing, they went up toward the top 250, pushing into the top 100 off and on.
It's early days yet and I'm learning. I also tried to put out the best I could achieve. There's lots of room for improvement and my next release is going to be edited (line and content) and I'm looking for beta readers.
Just a comment, not directed at anyone in particular, but I shake my head when I see that a lot of people don't realize that the publishing industry wants to pubish books that will turn a profit. Taking chances is not unheard-of but it's dangerous. I've seen some very poor productions - usually pushed into production on the heels of some big event o0r other. But I, for one, am not going to blame the Big Six for trying to use good business sense.
(Anyone have a good editor to recommend?)
William, you're a gentleman (and your book looks like a really good read. I also enjoyed reading your Goodreads profile. As someone who grew up in the military I enjoyed the (redacted) parts.
Good points. I can say sales were constant but not huge. Using the KDP promotions haphazardly got my books into the upper 750 - 1000 of their categories (historical fiction/mystery; two in particular).
When I started being a little more scientific about the promotions and using judicious advertising techniques and considering timing, they went up toward the top 250, pushing into the top 100 off and on.
It's early days yet and I'm learning. I also tried to put out the best I could achieve. There's lots of room for improvement and my next release is going to be edited (line and content) and I'm looking for beta readers.
Just a comment, not directed at anyone in particular, but I shake my head when I see that a lot of people don't realize that the publishing industry wants to pubish books that will turn a profit. Taking chances is not unheard-of but it's dangerous. I've seen some very poor productions - usually pushed into production on the heels of some big event o0r other. But I, for one, am not going to blame the Big Six for trying to use good business sense.
(Anyone have a good editor to recommend?)

One should hire a good editor, or they can't afford one join 2 or 3 honest critique groups so each chapter and the book concept can be critiqued. We really need other eyes on our work, not just our fans and family.
Here's a good quote: "Talent is the most destructive concept a writer could embrace. In truth, it is often the gifted writer, so convinced of her own artistic specialness, who has the most difficulty shaping and honing her creative material into publishable form.”
-Writing is 90% hard work
-Need some doubts to be a good writer.
-Need a humble openness to constructive criticism
(John Wilson, editor of “The Complete Guide to Magazine Article Writing)

One s..."
I couldn't resist this quote and posted it on my Facebook page..thanks! :)

Why would I assume that any agent/publisher knows what an excellent book? Have you seen some of the trash they print now? Someone earlier said publishers are out to turn a profit and they were right. So, ever since harry potter became big you can find an overabundance of rip off books, but they'll sell because it's the hot topic of the day, and so it goes with whatever the popular subject happens to be.
Oh, and I'm in no way convinced that my work is excellent all the time. I have doubts and work hard to get better at what I do but, I also have confidence enough to think my stuff is at least as good as most of what's out there.

As one writer/blogger put it:Harry Potter was turned down by something like 29 different editors/agents, which suggests that the publishing world cannot even recognize what sells. Who would trust the diamond industry if 29 jewelers could not recognize the Hope Diamond as valuable? Certainly we need other eyes to look at/critique/edit our work, but I for one certainly have as much faith in myself as I have in the publishing industry. And you are right, we can easily judge for ourselves the value of what is in the mainstream market. Having worked hard to learn to edit, and learned from those who have edited my manuscripts, I've become aware of how many mistakes I find in books published by the big publishing companies, and I do not feel so bad when a few slip by me. (Though I strive to have fewer mistakes than they have.)

William, you're a gentleman (and your book looks like a really good read. I also enjoyed reading your Goo..."
Wow!! That certainly is a great result. Thanks so much for sharing. Your work sounds absolutely facinating. I visited Egypt, did all of the tourist things - Pyramids, Sphinx, etc. What a wonderful place!


Only an observation, not advice: I started on Smashwords 3 months ago and in the first month sold 30 books with little marketing (friends and family) and then it stopped. My book is buried somewhere with a zillion (at least) other books. I'm also on Amazon (not KDP Select) and have done a little marketing and am now beginning to step it up and sales are slowly rising. People often insist on paying when I present them a book (I have paperback and ebooks) and there is always a spike upwards after a marketing event.
Anyway, Smashwords doesn't have much in the way of marketing, and I don't want to be unfair to them, so maybe I just can't find it. I believe strongly that marketing is the answer and if you do that well, readers will find you; even under those zillion books.

Now that's the tough part. At the risk of sounding trite, marketing is mostly hard work. I sometimes call it, "Packing up your sample case and knocking on doors." Certainly blogs and giveaways and the like can attract attention but it's not always the right kind of attention. I could mention my book (Nonoffical Asset) once or twice (Nonofficial Asset) and give you a link to my page http://www.amazon.com/Nonofficial-Ass... :-) :-) but when you get a dozen of those faceless promos a day or a week you likely will not do much with it. But if I shake your hand and we connect and I say, "Oh, by the way, I have a book out and here's a copy, what do you think?" You're likely to hand me cash.
So after 40 years of business development, I'm going to hand you the nut at the center of the marketing chocolate (I'll tell you where to send donations later). Here it is: "People will buy YOU long before they buy your story." You have to connect with them personally in some way.
Lee Child, Jeff Deaver, and on and on can connect with you on-line and through their other books which are proven. But as unkowns, we must sign, and conference, and network, and visit stores and wear out our shoes. Above all you have to make a personal connection with your readers. That's the secret sauce that you can't taste through a blog.
OK, I'm packing up my soapbox and going back to do the work that pays the bills before my boss finds out I'm doing this. Of course, I get some slack because I gave him a book. :-) Good luck!! Now go sell!!

Now that's the tough part. At the risk of sounding trite, marketing is mostly hard work. I sometimes call it, "Packing up your sample case an..."
So from your post I take it you are talking physical contact...I have a plan to visit small bookstores here in Tucson and try and set up some readings etc...

Now that's the tough part. At the risk of sounding trite, marketing is mostly hard work. I sometimes call it, "Packing up you..."
Let us all know how that works out. I think you're on the right track.

And thanks for all this great advice everyone. I feel like I know a lot of you after reading a year's worth of conversation :)

Anyway, once the price came back up downloads stopped and I have only sold 1 copy in the two or three days since the promo.
Next time I will definitely try to get listed on a few promo sites I think, and try to get a few thousand downloads. I'll try and get a few reviews from the friends that downloaded in the meantime.
From 200 downloads it doesn't seem like much is going to happen :)

Anyway, once ..."
Check out the Author Marketing Club: http://authormarketingclub.com/
All the e-book freebie promotion sites are consolidated there.

SJ I just read the first Chapter of 5th Amulet. Great opening. Nice writing. I would love to hear how you get on with your promo.

William, you're a gentleman (and your book looks like a really good read. I also enjoyed reading your Goo..."
Diana, I hired Rhonda Helms to edit my novel Souled Out. She is kind of expensive, but extremely thorough. I will totally use her services again.
As for this entire discussion concerning marketing and KDP, I have a ton to say, but my daughter will not let me ramble or rant at the moment. But thank you everyone for sharing! I am going to take the time to read this whole thread.

Your writing sounds really professional.
What did you do to promote your give-away. Did you put it up on pixel of ink et al?

Amazed. This is for UK Kindle charts.
On Thursday I was #116990. By today it was #120.
I am #2 on the Action/adventure chart[/u]
#16 i..."
Wow S.J. Those are really great numbers...hopefully generating a buzz that will translate to your bottom line. Here's my question...most of the discussions (unless I missed something) on this topic seem to be about fiction/novels..."I'm wondering if anyone has had success with non-fiction works on Kindle Select?". Currently my book is in paperback, and I'm considering a Kindle version. On one hand I suppose that more avenues is a good thing. Thanks for any input anyone has one this!

The process if fairly straightforward (although some would argue) You will have to remove all the great formatting that is in t..."
Thanks S.J. I'll tackle this project next!

Are you referring to Amazon? What's magical about fifteen reviews? Inquiring minds and all. :)

Amazed. This is for UK Kindle charts.
On Thursday I was #116990. By today it was #120.
I am #2 on the Action/adventure ch..."
Well as Kindle is free and relatively easy I don't see why not. I buy mostly fiction on kindle but I do have a few NF books. Pictures don't translate so well, or so I hear, but there are probably ways around that.
May as well go for it:)
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