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What MOVIES or DVDs have you watched? (PART FIVE - 2012) (ongoing thread)
Well, I finished watching "Atlas Shrugged" (2011).http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0480239/
IMDb DESCRIPTION: "A powerful railroad executive, Dagny Taggart, struggles to keep her business alive while society is crumbling around her. Based on the 1957 novel by Ayn Rand."
http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/Atlas...
I didn't enjoy this movie. My main criticism, besides those expressed in my previous posts, is that the movie didn't make clear the point of the story. The point is expressed clearly in the Wiki quote below:
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"In the novel's ideology, the industrialists of America were a metaphorical Atlas of Greek mythology, holding up the Earth, whom Galt persuades to "shrug", by refusing to lend their productive genius to the regime any longer."
FROM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Galt
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Wiki sums up the plot as follows:
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"The book explores a dystopian United States where many of society's most productive citizens refuse to be exploited by increasing taxation and government regulations and disappear. They are led by John Galt. Galt describes the strike as "stopping the motor of the world" by withdrawing the minds that drive society's growth and productivity. In their efforts, these people "of the mind" hope to demonstrate that a world in which the individual is not free to create is doomed, that civilization cannot exist where every person is a slave to society and government, and that the destruction of the profit motive leads to the collapse of society. The protagonist, Dagny Taggart, sees society collapse around her as the government increasingly asserts control over all industry."
FROM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Sh...
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It is only after I read the above at Wiki, that the point of the movie became clear. The movie was too vague and cryptic, IMO.
As I've said before, I tried reading Rand's book, Atlas Shrugged, but didn't find it interesting enough to finish.
I think those of us who have read Atlas Shrugged would all agree it is very idealistic & probably best read while in your late teens or early 20's. Over 30 (you are, aren't you, Joy?) & you've realized there are too many shades of gray in the world.
Jim wrote: "I think those of us who have read Atlas Shrugged would all agree it is very idealistic & probably best read while in your late teens or early 20's. Over 30 (you are, aren't you, Joy?) & you've realized there are too many shades of gray in the world."That's a good way to put it, Jim. There are no simple solutions to complicated problems.
And yes, I am a BIT over 30!
Below are my additional comments on the movie, "Atlas Shrugged":One of the aspects of the movie which confused me was the way people kept "disappearing". While watching the movie, I didn't catch on to what was happening to them. (view spoiler) The movie never made that clear, as far as I could tell. Don't know if the book did.
Jackie wrote: "I deleted Alcatraz off the DVR, more of JJ ABrams' drag things out and I'm not looking for another Lost type scenario. I gave it 5 episodes and I'm not closer to knowing what happened, nothing, not even a tiny hint."
I gave Alcatraz one. I know just what you mean about 'Lost scenarios'. Once in a great while I'll shoot myself in foot by condemning a show too soon, but I'll still go for ruthless culling. Unless my vcr tape pile starts running low. Finished another True Blood this afternoon, I see what you mean about its addictiveness.I now dread coming to the end of my various Netflix tv series rentals: Sarah Conner, Brotherhood, Dexter. They're better than most movies. But way too many tv calories though.
I've done the same and dropped shows too early. If they're good I know right away, or if they're really bad. It's the 'iffy' ones that force me to try a few eps. If I'm not completely drawn in by 5 eps, then I never will be.Have you tried Game of Thrones, Earl? Netflix should have it by now. That's a medieval type fantasy, rife with intrigue and backstabbing. Another really good one, but might be too soon for Netflix is Homeland. I think you'd like that one, CIA vs war-hero-might-be-terrorist. It was so much better than I could have imagined.
Don't worry Earl, I always have more stuff for you to try, lol
What's Brotherhood about? I haven't heard about that one.
Here is a list of the books my book club picked for the next few months; ever heard or read any of them?\"Cutting for Stone" by Abraham Verghese
"Sex, Mom & God" by Frank Schaeffer
"Swamplandia" by Karen Russell
"Mr.Rosenblum Dreams in English"by Natasha Solomons
"The Twin" by Gerbrand Bakker
"Painted Veil" by Somerset Maugham
A friend of mine just read Cutting for Stone and said it was good.
Nina, thanks for the list. I'm familiar with only 2 of the books.Cutting for Stone was terrific! I gave it 5 stars out of 5! My review is at: http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...
I watched the film adapted from the book, The Painted Veil, in March, 2010. I gave it 3 stars out of 5. I have no desire to read the book. The story was a downer. [Edit: See my after-thought in Message #162 below.]
"The Painted Veil" (2006)
http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/The_P...
"Shunned by a husband who's more interested in his scientific research than his marriage, Kitty Fane embarks on a quest for fulfillment, igniting a passionate affair with dashing womanizer Charles Townsend."
I've made note of the other 4 books for future reference.
I saw The Painted Veil also, I'd forgotten until I checked your links, Joy. I agree with your assessment.
Jackie wrote: "I saw The Painted Veil also, I'd forgotten until I checked your links, Joy. I agree with your assessment."Jackie, I had thought I would like the "The Painted Veil" because it was by W. Somerset Maugham. I've always enjoyed his writings. Perhaps the book is better than the movie. His style of writing might give an entirely different atmosphere to the story.
I remember reading that at one time Maugham had given up writing for a while. He said it was a great relief to be able to look at a sunset and not have to describe it. I can understand that.
Joy wrote: I've always enjoyed his writings. Perhaps the book is better than the movie. His style of writing might give an entirely different atmosphere to the story.That's a good point, Joy. Books are always better than movies anyway.
"The Painted Veil" book was as the old cliche says, much better than the movie. They changed so much; the city where it was set, the convent, the nuns, and an entirely different ending. Not recommending you read it but I thought it a good book and great ending. Completley different than the movie.
This is what I don't understand... the book is completely different than the movie, so how do they dare title it "the Painted Veil" when it's really another story. That irks me.
Jackie, the movie is not completley different but they changed a lot of it. And I do agree, why not just make the movie entirely different and let it go at that. In the book the main female character never loves her husband although she does feel badly at how she treated him. In the movie she falls back in love with him and they make love. In the movie she runs into the man she once loved with her son who is really his child and walks off. In the book she is still pregnant and goes back to England just as her mother has died and then eventually goes to the Bahamas with her father and hopes to ease her guilty feelings by becoming more like the nuns in the convent which she loved; not so in the movie. I guess this is a spoiler but you all probably won't read the book.
Here's a quote:"With sixty staring me in the face, I have developed inflammation of the sentence structure and a definite hardening of the paragraphs." James Thurber at 59
Jackie and Nina, if they didn't use the title of a book by a famous author and put his name on the credits, they couldn't use that name-dropping to sell more tickets (and so make more money). But if they wrote a script that actually followed the book more closely, that would require taking time to do more than skim the book, and to really adapt it instead of writing any old thing off the top of their heads. :-(
And that is exactly what infuriates me! The old 'bait and switch' to sell more tickets. But what's even worse to me is that by changing it, it's telling the author that his work isn't good enough. It's insulting.
I agree with both of you. And besides that, sometimes when they don't change the movie from the book, it is still just as good...why do they feel they must change it? I really liked the book, "Practical Magic." The movie was simply dreadful! However, I loved the book, "To Kill a Mockingbird," ditto the movie. Long ago I really liked, "The World According to Garp," and Robin Williams was great in the movie and it too was very good. Go figure....?
Jackie wrote: "What's Brotherhood about? I haven't heard about that one. "I had Game of Thrones in my Netflix queue but hadn't tried one yet. oops, they don't have it as yet.
Brotherhood
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0457229/
- Rhode Island politics and gangsters. Very brutal bloody gangsters. Tony Soprano magnified.
Nina wrote: "Jackie, the movie is not completley different but they changed a lot of it. And I do agree, why not just make the movie entirely different and let it go at that. In the book the main female charact..."Nina, thanks for that information about the differences between the book and the movie, "The Painted Veil". I've included it in my review but have hidden it using the "spoiler" coding. I've indicated the source via a link to your post but I haven't included any attribution. You can see my review here: http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...
Earl wrote: "I had Game of Thrones in my Netflix queue but hadn't tried one yet. oops, they don't have it as yet. ..."For reference, here's the Netflix page for "Game of Thrones":
http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/Game_...
(Scroll down to see the various episodes which can be "saved" to the Netflix Saved Queue.)
"Game of Thrones" 2011:
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"Originally airing on HBO, this live-action fantasy series -- based on George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire novels -- charts the violent efforts of competing noble families to gain control of the vacant Westeros throne."
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Werner wrote: "Jackie and Nina, if they didn't use the title of a book by a famous author and put his name on the credits, they couldn't use that name-dropping to sell more tickets (and so make more money). But ..."Good point, Werner. Sad but most likely true.
CLICK ON THE THUMBNAILS.
Earl, Season 2 of GOT will be airing in April, I would hope HBO releases Season 1 with enough time for people to see it so maybe they'd consider getting HBO for Season 2. It'd work better for marketing purposes. I've noticed that FX and CW do not release the previous season of their current shows until it far to late to catch up in time for the new season, kinda stupid if you ask me. Joy wrote: Scroll down to see the various episodes which can be "saved" to the Netflix Saved Queue.
Does that mean I can 'save' movies and TV forever and come back to it as often as I like, or is there a time limit?
About the thumbnails, my father would say "Money doesn't buy you happiness but neither does poverty."
Here is a quote I like very much but don't know the author."Coincidence is when God chooses to remain anonymous."
When that came over the Web my husband sent it to me and wroe underneath it, "So that's how it all happened to us."
Jackie wrote: "Joy wrote: 'Scroll down to see the various episodes which can be "saved" to the Netflix Saved Queue.'[Jackie asked]: Does that mean I can 'save' movies and TV forever and come back to it as often as I like, or is there a time limit? ... "
Jackie, no, that's not what "saved" means. See explanation below:
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There are 3 kinds of queues which members have on Netflix:
1. The movies you've chosen to see in the future via DVD. (known as your " DVD queue ")
2. The movies you've chosen to stream in the future. (known as your " Instant" queue ")
3. The movies you've chosen for the future which aren't yet available at Netflix but are saved on a list for when they are available, at which time Netflix transfers them to your DVD queue. (known as your " Saved DVD queue ")
Besides the above, members have 2 other lists (your viewing history):
A. Your account's "Rental Activity". (DVD's you've already rented)
B. Your account's "Instant Watching Activity" (movies you've streamed)
In addition to the above, Netflix saves your star rating on the above A & B lists.
Netflix also indicates if you've watched a movie (and when), whenever you go to that movie's Netflix page.
NOTE: Netflix has not only DVDs of movies, but also DVDs of TV shows and documentaries.
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Netflix has changed my movie-watching life. I'm catching up with so many movies which I NEVER would have seen. Besides that, and very important to me, is the fact that I have a record of my viewing history. Now that I have ROKU for streaming to my large screen TV, it's even better!
Jackie wrote: "...About the thumbnails, my father would say 'Money doesn't buy you happiness but neither does poverty.'Jackie, here's another quote with a similar idea:
"I never been in no situation where havin' money made it any worse." -Clinton Jones
Nina wrote: "Here is a quote ... 'Coincidence is when God chooses to remain anonymous.' ..."Nina, here's my answer to that :
"...[no matter what] science reveals... we will continue to tell ourselves stories, and try to use our own metaphors to find meaning in randomness."
FROM: The Cure Within: A History of Mind-Body Medicine by Anne Harrington
Joy, so if I understand correctly, if I rented a movie today, I would have to pay to rent it again at a future date?
Jackie wrote: "Joy, so if I understand correctly, if I rented a movie today, I would have to pay to rent it again at a future date?"Yes, Jackie, if you're talking about a DVD. Each time you rent a DVD, whether or not it's the same DVD that was rented on a past date, that's a separate rental.
Of course, streaming is always there, but occasionally there's a time limit on a movie's availability for Instant viewing. For example at the Netflix page for "Smash", it says: "Watch the sneak preview of Smash until February 23 instantly on Netflix!"
http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Sma...
"Smash" (2012) Season 1 (TV Series 2012):
"A talented theatrical team endeavors to stage a Broadway musical bio of Marilyn Monroe in this sizzling dramatic series. Backbiting, catfighting, creative woes and personal demons are all part of the process as the show struggles to go on."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1825133/
"There is more drama behind the scenes than on stage, as the team prepares an ambitious Broadway musical on the life of Marilyn Monroe."
Netflixed The Guardhttp://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/p...
This is the standard cop-bonding flick. The difference is that it takes place in Ireland. Somehow that makes it fresh, and I quite enjoyed it. I gave it 4 stars
Joy, I didn't clarify my question, I mean with streaming. That's a set fee every month no matter how many movies/TV series I watch? In other words, if I streamed The Guard a year ago, it wouldn't affect my payment if I streamed it again today? Eric and Sarah have netflix and use the streaming, but getting an answer out of impatient Eric is harder than pulling teeth. You're more patient with my unending questions, Joy and you're more knowledgeable.
The one thing I did learn from Sarah is that it's her parent's account, and it can be used in multiple locations, all on the same account for the same original fee. Her parents live 2 hours south of us, yet they get to use the account here in LG. That's a big selling point IMO. They offered for me to use the account, but as yet, I do not have a TV that is capable of it.
The Guard: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1540133/
I see Don Cheadle is in it. He does a lot of good movies. I may watch this someday.
Earl wrote: "Netflixed The Guardhttp://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/p...
This is the standard cop-bonding flick. The difference is that it takes place in Ireland. ..."
Thanks, Earl.
For reference:
The Guard (2011):
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1540133/
"An unorthodox Irish policeman with a confrontational personality is teamed up with an uptight FBI agent to investigate an international drug-smuggling ring."
Netflix calls it an "action-filled comedy". It also says:
"This movie is: Quirky, Witty"
Genre: Action & Adventure, Comedies, Action Comedies, Crime Action & Adventure
Cast: Brendan Gleeson, Don Cheadle (who plays a "tightly wound FBI agent") ...
FROM: http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/The_G...
Jackie wrote: "Joy, I didn't clarify my question, I mean with streaming. That's a set fee every month no matter how many movies/TV series I watch? In other words, if I streamed The Guard a year ago, it wouldn't affect my payment if I streamed it again today? ..."Jackie, that's right. It's a set fee every month to stream. There's no limit to how much you stream. Just now, I copied the following from the Netflix website:
Unlimited Streaming - $7.99 a month - Watch instantly as often as you want on your PC, Mac or TV.
Regarding streaming from multiple locations, yes, that's possible. All the person needs in order to sign-in at Netflix is the correct addy of the account holder and the password of the account holder.
The only problem I see with that, is a circumstance when more than one person is trying to stream at the same time, using the same account holder's Netflix account. One of the persons would get a message-window saying that they can't stream because there is already something being streamed (or words to that effect).
One time when I inadvertently tried stream to my computer at the same time I was streaming to my TV screen (via ROKU), I got the above-mentioned message-window. I had inadvertently clicked on the wrong "button". So that's how I know there would be a problem with the circumstance in question (two people streaming at the same time using the same account). (BTW, my TV uses a separate computer. I don't know if that's relevant with ROKU.)
We record Antiques Road Show & listen to it at odd moments. We find it interesting, sometimes captivating, but a lot of the stuff doesn't do a whole lot for us. Marg was just watching & we repeated one of the reasons we love it so much.This woman brought in a carved cup that her husband bought at a flea market in NJ for $1 in the mid 70's. A few years ago, they'd done some research & thought it might be a real rhino horn, so could be worth a lot of money, maybe even $30,000. The guy went over the piece in detail, said he not only thought it was real, but 17th century Chinese & said he expected it could go for about $400,000 at auction! The woman was stunned & had to ask him to repeat it.
That was one of the most extreme examples I've seen on the Road Show, but there have been some others. There was a woman who inherited a trailer from her mother & she was obviously pleased at the inheritance. She brought in a small painting of a boat that had always hung in the hall outside the bathroom. It turned out to be worth $80,000, I think. She was the only person I remember that got bleeped.
Another gal brought in some jade pieces her father had traded for in China after WWII. I think they were worth $1.5 million, but she knew they were worth a fair amount.
Anyway, today's example was a fun way to start off the day.
Joy, thanks for the info. I didn't realize there'd be a problem streaming from two locations at the same time. E&S stream all the time, so I guess her parents don't use it that much. I'll be sure to let them know. TYJim, Anthony watches Road Show, Pawn Stars, etc., it's really cool when someone brings in an item worth a lot of money. As they say: One man's junk is another man's treasure!
Jim wrote: "We record Antiques Road Show & listen to it at odd moments. We find it interesting, sometimes captivating, but a lot of the stuff doesn't do a whole lot for us. Marg was just watching & we repeat..."Jim, I think those "finds" are few and far between. Also, could it be that there may not be much truth behind them?
When my MIL died I found a matching ceramic set of 2 candle holders and a bowl. I didn't like them. I almost gave them away to a "Good Will" center but decided to keep them and check on their value. After keeping them for a few years on a back shelf, I brought them to an antique dealer. He gave me $65 for them. I think they were from the Southwest, made by a well-known ceramics company.
Joy, I think such finds are very few & far between, but when you consider that thousands show up to every Road Show with their very best & flood the place for days, then they only air an hour of the very best of that & only once in a dozen shows does something like that occur, it becomes more believable. Also, most of these finds were made many, many years ago, back before collecting & the antique craze were so big. Mom has always been a big antique collector & has made some fantastic finds, although nothing quite as rewarding. There used to be a lot of old, abandoned houses on the Eastern Shore of MD when I was a kid. She has a huge, beautiful Walnut roll top desk she found in one tenant house on a farm. Another time we found a bunch of old papers that turned out to be pre Civil War Valentine's cards & manumission papers. Several times we found old dolls. She got some of it restored & eventually sold a lot of it for hundreds. She still has the desk, although she was offered quite a bit of money for it.
Right on the rareness of "finds"!Jim, antique collecting can be very enjoyable and the search is probably part of the fun. However, sometimes I get nervous thinking about all the stuff I've given away which might have been valuable. That's the down-side for me.
I suppose it takes years to develop a sense of what's really valuable. It takes knowledge and experience, like anything else worthwhile.
There are also a lot of fakes and fakers around. Let the buyer beware! LOL Also, beware when one is selling one's stuff! Oh, the regret after it's gone!
Antiques are definitely an area where you have to be knowledgeable or you'll get burned. Most people don't know enough not to get fooled by some pretty simple tricks or just some hard usage. I know a bit about woods, woodworking & such, but I couldn't begin to pick up some of the stuff I see them point out on the Road Show all the time on furniture. I often wonder how much many antique dealers know. There was just a case the other night where a guy brought in a big porcelain bust that a dealer had offered him $500 for. The Road Show valued it at $50,000. Rip off or ignorance? Completely wrong appraisals happen regularly.
Sometimes, I think it's just ignorance because they'll often say how something is worth a lot in a certain region, but not outside of it. That's because collectors go after very specific items so they can know something about them. They don't collect pottery, but a certain size, type, shape, & often by a specific regional manufacturer during a certain period &/or color/design. Even then there is a lot to know. Sheesh!
Mom still does some antiquing & she won't sell something unless she can get in into a specific auction when there are related items. Some auctions don't attract the right people & she'll make the best money if there are other items that will attract the right bidders. Then a couple of them will bid against each other & you get a better price.
Retail or insurance replacement value is often - maybe usually - way off what you can easily sell it for, so that's something else people have to keep in mind. Most of the people buying at auctions are dealers & have stores. If they can't make a hefty profit, especially if a piece has to sit in a store for possibly months, they won't buy it. Their mark up is generally 1/3 to 1/2.
It's pretty crazy & complex. Not something I would get into. Mom does it as a hobby & has fun with it.
Yes, I often wonder how long an item has to sit in an antique store before it's sold. There's an antique store full of old stuff in Glens Falls. It's called "Poor Richard's Antiques". It's fun to look around. I've bought several items in there at reasonable prices, nothing expensive, just things I liked or could use.Here's a little kid's desk (with chair) which I found at Poor Richard's. My sister bought for $75.00:
Click on thumbnail.It's good for a 5 year old, maybe a few years older. So cute! I loved it.
[PS-Note the roll-top; it works too!]
You'd think they could have dusted it off before they put it out for sale on the sidewalk in front of the store!
I bought a nice framed painting there for $40. There was a hole in the canvas but it wasn't noticeable.
I also bought an old beat-up real wood table with 2 shelves under it for my sheet music; it was only $24! It's 2'x 1'. It's strong and sturdy. I spotted it out on the sidewalk in front of the store. It's perfect because it doesn't take up much space and it holds a lot of music. Fits right next to our upright piano. Cherry colored wood and slender turned legs. Rather pretty. It needs refinishing but still looks nice. Under all the music you can hardly see the table! LOL
That is a cute desk & chair, especially for that price. Yes on the clean up.
My late son-in-law Phil was an antique dealer, so from talking to him over the years, I gleaned something of a perspective on the trade. If they're knowledgeable about their trade, dealers usually can assess the age and genuineness of items, or at least offer clues to that. But when it comes to the "value" of an antique, the question is more subjective, because the real value isn't inherent in the object; it's in the mind of the particular collector. And it does vary by region; it's higher in wealthy areas where rich collectors are relatively numerous. Phil always used to say this area (where people tend to be poor --average income for a family of four in Tazewell County, the last time I read the stats, was $18,000.00 a year) is a great place to buy antiques, but a very poor one for selling them.The dealer who offered $500.00 for a bust that the Road Show valued at $50,000.00 may have known very well what he/she was doing. Sadly, intentionally buying valuable items from ignorant owners for much less than they're worth is a pretty common practice among antique dealers. :-(
Werner wrote: "My late son-in-law Phil was an antique dealer, so from talking to him over the years, I gleaned something of a perspective on the trade. If they're knowledgeable about their trade, dealers usually..."This talk about antiques reminds me of a neighbor we had when we lived in a condo a few years ago. When she invited my daughter in to see her place, my daughter who taught art for over twenty years in elementary school and had a secondary degree in Art History was admiring a sketch on her wall. She said, "That's really a good print by Matise." Our neigbor answered, "Yes, isn't he good. That is one he did of my mother. Let me show you her picture and you'll agree with me." We were kind of astonished she had an original Matise on her wall.
Nina, your neighbor should have kept a picture of her mother & had notes written up about it with everything she could remember near the sketch. That's kind of provenance really helps her heirs. Besides, it's very cool to show to visitors.
Werner wrote: "... Sadly, intentionally buying valuable items from ignorant owners for much less than they're worth is a pretty common practice among antique dealers. :-("Yes, Werner, that's the problem when selling one's collectibles. Prices seem to be arbitrary.
Nina wrote: "... my daughter who taught art for over twenty years in elementary school and had a secondary degree in Art History ..."Art and art history are another world, a world which I never inhabited. :) As they say, "I know what I like".
The following statement about art was posted by Ruth at the GR Constant Reader group a while ago. I liked it so much that I saved it:
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"We're all free to like what we like. Nobody can argue with that. But when I was teaching Art History, I used to tell my students that we should try to separate our personal taste from our evaluation of a work of art. If I didn't like T-bone, would that make it a bad source of protein? I don't much like The Embarkation for Cythera, not my taste at all, does that make it bad art? Paradise Lost leaves me cold, should we kick Milton out of the pantheon?"
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Food for thought.
That's interesting, Werner. It seems to go hand-in-hand with what Mom said about picking the right auctions to sell stuff at. One thing that seems to be a good way to make money is dishes & such. Mom has a couple of good sets of china & a canister set that aren't complete. There are places online where they sell those pieces at some outrageous prices so people can complete them. Of course, that means they have a huge inventory of partial sets & have to let the buyers find them through the Internet.
I've been looking for 2 pieces to Mom's canister set for years without any luck, though. It's really old & fragile. This set is something like it:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HOTTA-YU-SHOT...
The basic pieces are similar, but the painted design is slightly different. Her vinegar might be missing a top & one of the smaller pieces was glued back together, I think.
Jim, I checked out that link, in the hopes that we might have something here you could use. But that set doesn't look like anything in Phil's inventory, as nearly as I can recall. :-(
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Most of the performers have no charisma, IMO. Hank Reardon is the more likable character, I think, and the fellow who plays him at least has some charisma. The leading female leaves me cold as a performer.
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