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Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 482 comments Oops! My error ... I'm reading Elisabeth Sanxay Holding's Miasma - not, as I wrote earlier, The Lady Killer. Have to read them in order!


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Bryan Cyr (everythingnoircom) | 106 comments Just got done reading Sweet Nothing by Richard Lange, It's a collection of short stories and most fall in the hardboiled/noir genre. Worth checking out. See My review at:

http://everythingnoir.com/2015/02/12/...

Sweet Nothing: Stories

Will start reading Backstrom next: Backstrom: He Who Kills the Dragon


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Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 482 comments Bryan wrote: "Just got done reading Sweet Nothing by Richard Lange, It's a collection of short stories and most fall in the hardboiled/noir genre. Worth checking out. See My review at:

http://everythingnoir.c..."


I hope the book is better than the one episode of the TV show I watched. Loved the main character -- but that was about it.


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AndrewP (andrewca) | 85 comments Just finished Ed McBain's Cop Hater, the first of the 87th Precinct novels. Not bad and I will read more for sure.


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Michael (fisher_of_men) | 10 comments I am halfway through Ice Station by Matthew Reilly. Quite a ride!


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Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 482 comments Finished Miasma by Elizabeth Sanxay Holding. Now I'm going to read everything I can find by this woman. Very dark, I'd say claustrophic.


message 1207: by Simon (last edited Feb 14, 2015 11:49AM) (new)

Simon (toastermantis) | 205 comments This weekend I started The Two Faces of January by Patricia Highsmith. So far I'm enjoying the in-depth sociological descriptions of the Greek setting, and the fact that it does not just have any discernible heroes and villains but neither any protagonist/antagonist pattern.

It's like she goes a step further with the moral ambiguity than even James M. Cain did, though apparently Highsmith was drawing as much on Camus and Dostoyevsky as on any genre writers.


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Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 482 comments Simon wrote: "This weekend I started The Two Faces of January by Patricia Highsmith. So far I'm enjoying the in-depth sociological descriptions of the Greek setting, and the fact that it does not j..."

That's one I haven't yet read. I am going to do the Ripley series before moving outward with Highsmith.


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Guy Nancy wrote: "Finished Miasma by Elizabeth Sanxay Holding. Now I'm going to read everything I can find by this woman. Very dark, I'd say claustrophic."

Stark House Press have many of this author's titles available in two-title editions.


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Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 482 comments Guy wrote: "Nancy wrote: "Finished Miasma by Elizabeth Sanxay Holding. Now I'm going to read everything I can find by this woman. Very dark, I'd say claustrophic."

Stark House Press have man..."


I have three of their books -- but I'm reading Holding's work in chronological order. So the book with Miasma also has Lady Killer, but I'm postponing reading that one until it comes up in the order I'm reading them. I have to say that Miasma was incredible -- the story is told only through what the main character thinks and sees. If this was her first work, I'm not stopping until I've read them all.


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Simon (toastermantis) | 205 comments I, on the other hand, specifically wanted to start with one of her stand-alones because I first want to see if I like Highsmith's writing style enough to enjoy an entire series.


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Paul | 925 comments Nancy wrote: "Simon wrote: "This weekend I started The Two Faces of January by Patricia Highsmith. So far I'm enjoying the in-depth sociological descriptions of the Greek setting, and the fact that..."

In my opinion Nancy, the Ripley series is the best place to begin an exploration of Highsmith. Ripley is an interesting & original non-hero.


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Simon (toastermantis) | 205 comments The plot in The Two Faces of January actually has a very similar main concept as David Goodis' The Wounded and the Slain, which came out 9 years earlier, but I already prefer Highsmith's take on the premise since she's way better at plot structure and observing the "show don't tell" rule.


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Paul | 925 comments Last year i read The Tremor of Forgery. Although it was well written & recognizably Highsmith's style, it is my least favourite of the Highsmith books. It's a stand-alone novel, but to say i found it under-whelming would be an understatement.

The plot just seems to meander along. It seemed to me to be more a story of the narrator's self reflection, rather than the plot driven stories i've come to associate with Highsmith's other novels.

As i said, it's not that it's badly written, it just didn't appeal to me.


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William | 59 comments Nancy wrote: "Finished Miasma by Elizabeth Sanxay Holding. Now I'm going to read everything I can find by this woman. Very dark, I'd say claustrophic."
I just checked out Miasma and three other Holding books from the public library. Both are double novel editions, so the Miasma I have is probably the same ed you just read. Based on your comments, I am looking forward to them. . .


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Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 482 comments William wrote: "Nancy wrote: "Finished Miasma by Elizabeth Sanxay Holding. Now I'm going to read everything I can find by this woman. Very dark, I'd say claustrophic."
I just checked out Miasma a..."


Just FYI, William -- I like really more way-off-the-beaten-path stuff -- so if you hate Miasma, I apologize in advance!


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Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 482 comments Paul wrote: "Nancy wrote: "Simon wrote: "This weekend I started The Two Faces of January by Patricia Highsmith. So far I'm enjoying the in-depth sociological descriptions of the Greek setting, and..."

Ripley is interesting because he functions in his own amoral universe. I don't get why some people don't understand this concept and complain about his character. I totally get it -- what he does is wholly logical to him. Maybe not to us, but definitely to him.


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Paul | 925 comments Simon wrote: "I, on the other hand, specifically wanted to start with one of her stand-alones because I first want to see if I like Highsmith's writing style enough to enjoy an entire series."

Simon if you want one of Highsmith's stand-alone novels to begin with, i would suggest 'Strangers on a Train'. Both the book & the movie are classics. Apparently Dashiell Hammett turned down the opportunity to work on the film & Raymond Chandler after writing a 1st draft & then a 2nd, which Hitchcock famously held his nose with thumb & forefinger & dropped the draft into a bin, also withdrew from the project.
'Tremor of Forgery', i mentioned earlier. 'The Price of Salt' is another of Highsmith's stand-alones. I haven't read that, but will do in due course. It was considered quite scandalous when released as it dealt with a Lesbian relationship. Perhaps to distance herself from any repercussions following it's release Highsmith used the pseudonym Claire Morgan.
I personally consider the Ripley series to be Highsmith's crowning achievement in her writing career.

I agree with Nancy's comment. Those who complain about the Ripley character clearly struggle with characters they can't pigeonhole. His character is a sociopath, rather than a psychopath & i think Highsmith does a superb job of making his character so compelling.


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Simon (toastermantis) | 205 comments Wasn't it Patricia Highsmith's Tom Ripley that inspired Donald Westlake to under his pseudonym Richard Stark create the character of Mr. Parker?


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Paul | 925 comments Simon wrote: "Wasn't it Patricia Highsmith's Tom Ripley that inspired Donald Westlake to under his pseudonym Richard Stark create the character of Mr. Parker?"

Hadn't heard that Simon. Could be. Both are amoral sociopaths.
Although I always think of Parker as a blunt instrument, where Ripley, by comparison, is a razor sharp stiletto.


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Bryan Cyr (everythingnoircom) | 106 comments Going to jump into the world of Lawrence Block today, The Sins of the Fathers

http://everythingnoir.com/


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Michael (fisher_of_men) | 10 comments Bryan wrote: "Going to jump into the world of Lawrence Block today, The Sins of the Fathers

http://everythingnoir.com/"


You're going to like Matthew Scudder. The series keeps getting better with each new book.


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Bryan Cyr (everythingnoircom) | 106 comments Wiped right through The Sins of the Fathers (Matthew Scudder, #1) by Lawrence Block
looking forward to reading more Block, but I'm on to Frank Sinatra in a Blender by Matthew McBride

http://everythingnoir.com/


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Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 482 comments I'm halfway through Pop. 1280 by Jim Thompson. Sheriff Andy of Mayberry Nick Corey is NOT!

question to anyone who's read this book -- there is dark humor in here, right? Because despite how dark this novel is, I've laughed a couple of times.


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Bryan Cyr (everythingnoircom) | 106 comments Nancy wrote: "I'm halfway through Pop. 1280 by Jim Thompson. Sheriff Andy of Mayberry Nick Corey is NOT!

question to anyone who's read this book -- there is dark humor in here, right? Because des..."

I agree with you. I never knew if he wanted to look like a bumbling idiot so he can get away with what he does easier, or he is just has dumb luck.


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Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 482 comments Bryan wrote: "Nancy wrote: "I'm halfway through Pop. 1280 by Jim Thompson. Sheriff Andy of Mayberry Nick Corey is NOT!

question to anyone who's read this book -- there is dark humor in here, righ..."


Since I'm not finished with this book yet, I can't say for sure, but when I first started reading it, I was thinking that a bumbling idiot sheriff just isn't going to make for a good antagonist. I was so wrong.

I'm appalled at some of the stuff in this book, frankly and what scares me more is that it might be based on reality. I give you the chapter where Corey's relating how he met Myra -- and the carnival game of hitting a "colored fella" in the head with a ball. OMG.


message 1227: by Nancy (last edited Feb 26, 2015 08:17AM) (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 482 comments okay. I checked -- it WAS real:

http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/questio...


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Paul | 925 comments Apparently Thompson based all the Sheriffs in his books on his Father, who was himself a rather dodgy Sheriff by all accounts.

I've been reading Savage Art A Biography of Jim Thompson by Robert Polito , which is a great reference for anyone interested in Thompson's writing. You really need to have read a couple of Thompson's books, to know what the author is referring to. Unfortunately, as it's a library book, i'm not going to finish it in time, but i intend to buy it. One of the most interesting & well written memoirs i've read in ages. Highly recommended.


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Paul | 925 comments Just finished The Simple Art of Murder by Raymond Chandler .
I'm going to write a review so i won't say more than this for now. I'm not a fan of short stories, preferring to immerse myself in a story, but this collection of (7) short stories is great reading for fans of Chandler's writing.

4 stars, easy.


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Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 482 comments Paul wrote: "Apparently Thompson based all the Sheriffs in his books on his Father, who was himself a rather dodgy Sheriff by all accounts.

I've been reading [bookcover:Savage Art: A Biography of Jim Thompso..."


That's a great book -- I highly recommend it.


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Paul | 925 comments Nancy wrote: "Paul wrote: "Apparently Thompson based all the Sheriffs in his books on his Father, who was himself a rather dodgy Sheriff by all accounts.

I've been reading [bookcover:Savage Art: A Biography o..."


Agree Nancy. Definitely one for the collection, not a book one can rush through, or want to.


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Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 482 comments I've finished Thompson's Pop. 1280 -- and LOVED it. I will say, though, that I plan to give myself some time before I pick up another book by him. I can only take so much.


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Paul | 925 comments Nancy wrote: "I've finished Thompson's Pop. 1280 -- and LOVED it. I will say, though, that I plan to give myself some time before I pick up another book by him. I can only take so much."

It's on my TBR list Nancy. I felt exactly the same after reading 'The Killer Inside Me'.


message 1234: by Nancy (last edited Feb 27, 2015 03:51AM) (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 482 comments Paul wrote: "Nancy wrote: "I've finished Thompson's Pop. 1280 -- and LOVED it. I will say, though, that I plan to give myself some time before I pick up another book by him. I can only take so mu..."

Isn't that funny how that happens? That was how I felt after reading Blood Meridian, or the Evening Redness in the West, by Cormac McCarthy. I love the way he writes and I loved the book, but I can't read him again any time soon because I'm still sort of scarred from the experience.


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Simon (toastermantis) | 205 comments Yesterday I finished The Two Faces of January. I like that for all the plot's complexity, it's for the most part invisible to the reader. Same thing with the prose's switching between exposition and plot, or between different perspectives.

The fact that while it's built around a conflict between three people, none of them gets a narrative role resembling a traditional protagonist/antagonist pattern, makes it very difficult to predict what will happen next since the character development does not follow familiar arcs.


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AndrewP (andrewca) | 85 comments Just started Complex 90 on audio with Stacy Keach narrating.


message 1237: by Paul (new)

Paul | 925 comments Starting The Goodbye Kiss by Massimo Carlotto next.


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Kipp Poe (kippoe) | 12 comments Just finished James Ellroy Blood On The Moonm and now diving into Because The Night


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David Siddall | 4 comments Paul wrote: "Starting The Goodbye Kiss by Massimo Carlotto next."

Paul wrote: "Starting The Goodbye Kiss by Massimo Carlotto next."

Read this a little while ago and really enjoyed it together with it's sequel, At The End of a Dull Day, though I read them wrong way round. Preferred At The end of a Dull Day though both are pretty raw. Hope you enjoyit as much as me.
Dave


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Paul | 925 comments David wrote: "Paul wrote: "Starting The Goodbye Kiss by Massimo Carlotto next."

Paul wrote: "Starting The Goodbye Kiss by Massimo Carlotto next."

Read this a little while ago and really enjoyed it together with ..."


Thanks for that Dave. Nearly finished it already & am enjoying it. Will look into the sequel.


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Paul | 925 comments Finished The Goodbye Kiss by Massimo Carlotto . Enjoyable. The main character is an amoral sociopath & the story is fast paced. A quick read at only 144 pages.

4 stars.

Reading The Long-Legged Fly (Lew Griffin, #1) by James Sallis next.


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Paul | 925 comments Finished The Long-Legged Fly (Lew Griffin, #1) by James Sallis . Couldn't put it down. Sallis is a genius & in his main character, Lew Griffin, has created a unique & intriguing protagonist.

An easy 4 stars from me.


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Paul | 925 comments Reading Devil in a Blue Dress by Walter Mosley next. Have been wanting to read this for sometime.


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Bryan Cyr (everythingnoircom) | 106 comments Just got done with Frank Sinatra in a Blender by Matthew McBride check out my full review here:
http://everythingnoir.com/2015/03/02/...
starting Dread Journey by Dorothy B. Hughes going old school today.


message 1245: by Paul (new)

Paul | 925 comments Finished Devil in a Blue Dress by Walter Mosley . Suberb Noir.
4 stars.

Reading The Getaway by Jim Thompson next.


message 1246: by Brian (new)

Brian | 66 comments Nancy Bryan - I couldn't agree more. Is this what is meant by 'casual racism' ? If so, it's no less appaling.


message 1247: by Nancy (last edited Mar 05, 2015 04:26AM) (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 482 comments Brian wrote: "Nancy Bryan - I couldn't agree more. Is this what is meant by 'casual racism' ? If so, it's no less appaling."

I think what bothers me the most about that is
A) the people who dreamed this up and
B) the people who paid to take part in this as "entertainment."

It goes way beyond, IMO, casual racism.


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Jonesmikey | 10 comments Hey all, I'm new to this group. I just finished Perfidia over the holidays. I cannot wait for the next one in this quartet.


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Paul | 925 comments Just finished The Getaway by Jim Thompson . Still mulling it over. 'Doc' seems similar in some ways to Stark's 'Parker' character. Wonder if Stark/Westlake drew on Thompson's work for inspiration.
Not a likeable character in the whole book. But that's Thompson, he doesn't do 'nice'.

Odd ending.

Half way through Cypress Grove (Turner, #1) by James Sallis . Anoher suberb novel from Sallis. This is the first installment of the 'Turner Trilogy'.

Hi Jonesmikey, welcome.


message 1250: by Nancy (last edited Mar 07, 2015 04:06PM) (new)

Nancy Oakes (quinnsmom) | 482 comments Finishing up The House of Wolfe: A Border Noir. Noir? Not how I see noir, although some people will maybe see it otherwise. Action-packed thriller - yes. If anyone in this group (in the US) wants a free, brand new hardcover copy, I won't be keeping mine.


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