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WHY is it a unique story line?
I find TMI to be a unique story line because it's strayed away from the typical angels and vampires type of romance, and has the element of hunters, which isn't very common. To the person who said it rips off Buffy as well, being a massive fan of Buffy I do see the similarities, but there are similiarities between Buffy and pretty much anything to do with monster hunters, and it's not worth analysing. I did find the responses about Harry Potter interesting but I don't agree with them. The incest storyline was a big risk, which shows that Cassandra Clare is brave with her books, and isn't afraid to risk everything she's worked towards for a unique and different storyline. I know it may turn some people off, but it's a really wonderful storyline if they can be more open minded and look past that factor, after all it is just fiction.
WHY do you love the characters?
I honestly didn't think that the characters used the same slang, and even if they did, many teenagers use similar slang anyway because they're commonly used words in our modern teenage society. I love them because they all seem to be different and have their own unique personalities. For example, Isabelle is the sexy vixen, Alec is shy and quiet, Magnus is flirtatious and extravagant, Jace is cocky and confident and Simon is sarcastic and nerdy, etc. I also like how Clare took a risk with Alec and Magnus and their sexuality, which not many young adult writers do these days. It is one of the few series I've read that actually delves into a gay romance, not just mentions of it.
WHY is the plot suspenseful and creative?
There were quite a few things that I honestly didn't expect in the books, such as the incest and Hodge, and it had just the right amount of action, romance and angst. Urban fantasy is one of my favourite genres and I found it to be a real pleasure to read. I'm not saying it's the best book in the world or my favourite book, but I believe it lives up to the hype and it was a really interesting series.
Sorry for the long reply haha, I was bored. I hope it's detailed enough?

This is getting nowhere. Please refer to my answers next time you wanted to write what you thought I said. I said I bothered.
Heaven wrote: "Again, I wasn't saying that you thought that Clary was a pathetic version of Ginny, that was my opinion."
Forgive me, but I didn't say you thought of me that Clary....etc. I simply tried to clarify that Clary is not. But you can keep your opinion the way you wish. No pressure there...:)
Heaven wrote: "You just sort of discredited your first comment...."
This is what I actually wrote about Draco related to Dumbledore:
quoted: Draco always sided the dark side and showed only a little remorse for Dumbledore's death. He didn't even consider Harry as someone he owed his life to.
I didn't say anything about Draco killed Dumbledore, as written by you. Quoted: Draco didn't kill Dumbledore, Snape did because Draco couldn't, remember?
I remember the stories, Harry Potter and TMI. I doubt you do the same for TMI.
I see now that since you hate the series, it is rather difficult for you to find any good in it.
Nurlely wrote: "Heaven wrote: "I didn't mean that you though incest was okay. I meant that it didn't bother you that Jace and Clary had a thing."
This is getting nowhere. Please refer to my answers next time you ..."
You skipped half of my last comment. I acknowledged that I misunderstood what you said about Draco. When I said you discredited yourself I was talking about the muggle/mundane thing.
This is getting nowhere. Please refer to my answers next time you ..."
You skipped half of my last comment. I acknowledged that I misunderstood what you said about Draco. When I said you discredited yourself I was talking about the muggle/mundane thing.

Well Luke and Leah didn't proceed to makeout with each other like Clary and Jace did after they knew. Luke and Leah were never that attracted to each other. Yes, there was a kiss or two, but that was about it. When they found out they didn't try to keep the relationship going, they moved on. However, with Clary and Jace, they kept going. That personally freaks me out even if they aren’t really siblings. I admit I’m a Star Wars geek so I’m always on the Skywalker’s side except with Anakin. In my world the prequels don’t exist.
Heaven wrote: I'll get around to reading Star Wars.. One day.
I suggest just watching the original movies.

1. It is awesome because it has a unique story line.
2. I love the characters cuz they are exactly how I imagine they would act in real life.
3. Plot is su..."
Listen.....I could go on for hours reciting every - single - little - interesting - detail about this book...but I'm not. Because obviously my interests are different from yours (book wise). You should try The Infernal Devices.....I want to see your reaction to that one.
BTW Kindles are bad for your eyes (the glare) so whats wrong with reading a normal, printed on paper book?
Olivia wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Olivia wrote: "grrr....you're picky....
1. It is awesome because it has a unique story line.
2. I love the characters cuz they are exactly how I imagine they would act in real life...."
That's a pretty easy answer, I got a Kindle Fire for Christmas, they run about $200. In what I save in books I'll have paid it off by the end of this month.
1. It is awesome because it has a unique story line.
2. I love the characters cuz they are exactly how I imagine they would act in real life...."
That's a pretty easy answer, I got a Kindle Fire for Christmas, they run about $200. In what I save in books I'll have paid it off by the end of this month.


1. It is awesome because it has a unique story line.
2. I love the characters cuz they are exactly how I imagine they would ac..."
But don't you ever get tired of staring at a screen for like forever? Plus, I find it fun to be able to go into a bookstore and browse for a couple hours.

Jace = Draco Malfoy
Valentine = Voldemort
Hodge = Wormtail
Mundane = Muggles"
I love TMI and felt that some of your long explan..."
As I've said in my reply, I have no problem whether you love the series or not. I just have a problem with the series in general. Also, some of these points I would probably repeat again in my later reviews of the other books in the series.
Nurlely - You do bring up some valid points, and I apologize if my "long explanation" was pretty damn vague and direct with the Harry Potter/TMI comparison. I guess I should have gone in depth.
Warning: this could get really really really really long.
Clary = the useless and more annoying version of Ginny
Clary is totally different with Ginny. Clary fell for Jace right away. Her relationship with Simon was only after she realised she can not go on loving her 'brother'. Ginny fell in love with Harry since she was so young, and 'enjoyed' her relationship with other boy only to raise Harry's jealousy, as 'instructed' by Hermione.
This is what I gathered from reading other reviews of the series, and my own judgements.
I absolutely hated when Clary just used Simon as some emotional rebound. She spends most of the time agonizing over her choice and feeling guilty for hurting Simon like this. Which, if she really did care for him, would have just ended/never form their romantic relationship. But that's just my opinion anyway.
However the difference between the relationship of Jace/Clary and Harry/Ginny is that the latter had YEARS to form. While they were never together since their younger years, they had a lot of time to become very good friends and form a good, healthy bond from there. And through those years that they were just 'friends' - Harry and everyone else got to se that Ginny was an independent character, that she could stand alone if Harry wasn't with her (view spoiler) even if she was only a supporting character.
This is may be just my own interpretation, but I don't think Ginny went out with all those boys to make Harry jealous. Notice that she went out with plenty of people before Half Blood Prince - and that was when she went out with Dean Thomas and then that's when Harry was all 'oh I am totally in love with YOU now how dare you go out with him' and such. My issues with Harry's sudden change of feelings like that is something for another day.
While I have no gripe against love at first sight and all that jazz, my problem with Jace and Clary is that - how long did they know each other? How about a MONTH before they got together and decided that they were soulmates and love each other forever and ever. And I never got the sense that they love each other, as much as they were just heavily infatuated with each other. But that's my take on it, so yeah.
Anyway, I argue that out of Ginny and Clary, Ginny is the stronger character - when Harry left Ginny, she took it in stride, knew the reason for said departure and helped Neville and such in Deathly Hallows (including and obtaining the damn Gyffrindor sword from Snape's office). I may be going far ahead, but what exactly HAS Clary achieved without Jace's help? Forgive me if I'm stretching out on a limb here, it's been a while since I've read TMI series and I'm pretty sure Clary has been nothing but a prop since City of Bones.
Jace = Draco Malfoy
Sorry, but did you read the book? Or jumped to what you considered as similarity(ies) between them?
When Jace belonged to the good side, even after he was dragged by evil to the bad side, Draco always sided the dark side and showed only a little remorse for Dumbledore's death. He didn't even consider Harry as someone he owed his life to.
Yes I've read up to City of Fallen Angels, thank you very much - so I like to think that I have SOME good understanding of Jace's character.
I'm not saying just because Draco had always been aligned with the Death Eaters/Voldemort because of his family automatically equates Jace to being the same.
When I said that Jace = Malfoy, I meant in terms of personality. They're both rude, obnoxious, contemptuous, arrogant, bullies and really unlikable characters. And they can be pretty damn racist and condescending. Like Malfoy and his treatment to Hermione for being a 'Mudblood'. Or Jace's treatment to Simon and most Downworlders? And even to Clary who he supposedly loves? Yeah, because I love being patronized by the love of MY life.
(view spoiler)
Granted, I understand where both characters are coming from. And I understand Jace's 'backstory' - but that does not
Draco is simply the product of his upbringing. Being spoilt, a bully, arrogant and racist is a result of being in a lineage where they were known for their association with the Dark Arts/pureblood ideologies. And don't forget that most of the time we see him, we see him through Harry's perspective - so no surprised that we always see him as an antagonist. And don't forgot that in a good majority of Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince Malfoy was agonizing over the task Voldemort gave him, because he didn't want his family to die at his own hands? He may not like Dumbledore, but Malfoy had no motivation to kill him either. He was being coerced into a situation and remember - this was during the time when Voldemort was rising back to power/building his army and such - so turning against him wasn't the smartest idea at the time, especially if you were Malfoy.
Valentine = Voldemort
Valentine's wish was to create the powerful shadowhunters, far better than the Downworlders. He did everything to accomplish that, but he did not want the all evil shadowhunters. That is why he was so terrified with having all evil Sebastian and 'created' Jace with angel blood.
Voldemort is all about evil. If you understand the series, you would have nominated Lilith instead of Valentine.
I think I'm going to explain this further in my review of City of Fallen Angels but here I go.
For me, both Valentine and Voldemort are similar because they, in their own minds, think they are not inherently evil. They believe they are doing the right thing and it's everyone else who opposes them that are 'wrong'.
Both Valentine and Voldemort are cold, ruthless and HIGHLY bigoted, racist people. Voldemort's hatred for any non-pureblood beings and Valentine's disgust for Downworlders are practically the same in which they believe one race to being superior to the other and they have to wipe the 'inferior races' so they don't come to dominate.
Hodge = Wormtail
Hodge had to choose what he had to choose but at the same time he also wanted to protect Jace, in a funny way. Hodge was bitter and regretted things he had done at the end. Wormtail was all about following the evil Voldemort and never showed his regret at all.
Like I said about my Draco/Jace comparison - I am not saying that they are EXACTLY like each other. Just highly similar. Both Hodge and Wormtail were similar characters because they both were cowardly characters who were turncoats and associated themselves with those of the higher power in order to just protect themselves. Remember, this is how I see them - so it's okay if you guys see it otherwise.
Mundane = Muggles
Funny you have to state this out. Do you know that Mundane is a real word. You can peer your dictionary for this. Muggles is an invented word
Yes I know mundane is an actual word thanks. What I meant by this is that they are both terms to describe humans (non-magical people) and how other Shadowhunters/Downworlders/etc treat mundane (as seen with Simon) is very similar to how most of the wizarding world would have treated Muggles. Well most of them anyway.
And that's my two cents on that, over and out!

Did you base you answer by reading the books or watching the movies?
Luke liked Leah a lot, while Leah was attracted to Han Solo and sort of ignorant of Luke's feeling towards her. The intensity of their feeling was more in the movies than it was in the books. And Luke moved on because that's the only thing he could do.

Yerp. But I do agree it took some looking to really notice the intensity of his feelings. That's not at all the main plot like it is with TMI.

You lost me at Warning: this could get really really really really long.
I wonder why you sort of re-answer someone else's answers.

Not if one actually read the series, rather than watching the movies.
The difference lies within what we think of the author and the genre. I do believe - as much as I was shocked enough by the 'incest' case - Cassandra Clare would not kill her own career by bringing up and approving incest in her Young Adults series.

Most kindles (except the colored ones) don't have glare. E-Ink is fantastic!


You lost me at Warning: this could get really really really really long.
I wonder why you sort of re-answer someone else's answers."
Sorry, I just wanted to clarify my original points. And so what if someone else has already stated it? I was just only voicing my opinion, maaan. (:

Please, voice your opinion.
Since you quoted mine as reference to your answers, I just felt obliged to respond back. Forgive me if you find it rather mean.
But I have to say I am so fortunate that I have avoided boredom...:)

Jace = Draco Malfoy
Valentine = Voldemort
Hodge = Wormtail
Mundane = Muggles"
I love TMI and felt that some of ..."
Even though I didn't finish the HP books, I can see some of the similarities you are talking about.


1) if you finish the book and read the next you find out there really is no sibling love between Jace and Clary. Ganes/emotionally wise..."
AGREED! 100% couldn't said it better than myself! :D BEST SERIES EVER!
Olivia wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Olivia wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Olivia wrote: "grrr....you're picky....
1. It is awesome because it has a unique story line.
2. I love the characters cuz they are exactly how I imagin..."
Diane *Ahnnihilate* is right, I-Ink doesn't hurt your eyes, but I've recently upgraded to a Kindle Fire. That probably does ruin my eyesight.. but I don't really care. As for I'm a fourteen year old girl. I stare at screens all day. As for browsing book stores for hours, I'm the only nerd, in a family of dyslexics. My experiences at book stores is usually one of my parents telling me to hurry the hell up. I still browse for books, now I just do it on my kindle.
1. It is awesome because it has a unique story line.
2. I love the characters cuz they are exactly how I imagin..."
Diane *Ahnnihilate* is right, I-Ink doesn't hurt your eyes, but I've recently upgraded to a Kindle Fire. That probably does ruin my eyesight.. but I don't really care. As for I'm a fourteen year old girl. I stare at screens all day. As for browsing book stores for hours, I'm the only nerd, in a family of dyslexics. My experiences at book stores is usually one of my parents telling me to hurry the hell up. I still browse for books, now I just do it on my kindle.

And reading from iPad is way better. Bigger screen...:)

Well said.
And I think it's okay if YA romance novels are predictable. If ones want to read complicated storyline, they can satisfy themselves by reading thriller or mystery novels.

And reading from iPad is way better. Bigger screen..."
agreed!


Anyways.
I didn't like it either, I tried to. I told myself the beginning was NOT boring and kept going. At first I thought it was alright, "oh yeah, fighting demons, uh huh!"
Then everything started to feel so very unnatural. It couldn't pull me in. A lot of things felt forced. LIKE FAN SERVICE!


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I have... I don't know what I was thinking.


Oh God City of Ashes, that's only second to my intense dislike after City of Fallen Angels if only for the fact that the book just spends a good 70-80% of its time having Jace/Clary have a goddamn angst-ridden love mopefest.

Yeah I only watched the movies, but the intensity is way more subtle in Star Wars then in TMI. At least that's how I see it.

I have read all 4 MI and 2 CA. I love City of Bones, City of Ashes and City of Glass is so awesome.
I think City of Fallen Angels is not as good as City of Glass. But I will definitely read City of Lost Souls.
Clockwork Angel is good while Clockwork Prince is awesome!

Because it was never there for Leah. It stopped because it was only Luke, not Leah.

Because it was never there for Leah. It stopped because..."
Yeah it's different so why compare the relationship to Jace and Clary’s? Nobody is overly disgusted by Luke and Leah’s relationship because it never went where TMI went.

Why bother ourselves with an incest case which never actually took place. The mutual feeling on love they share did not stain anything. The incident in the fairy realm was something necessary, to release Clary. Because as beautiful and gentle a fairy queen may be, she is far from being merciful.
Why bother being disgusted by something not true?
I compared them both because of the love between siblings case in both series, not the weight each carries.

And here's why:
1. Incest (Ew.) I haven't read the rest of the series but, my friend told me the she's..."
ok there is two things i will agree with that clary is annoying and i also have wanted to punch simon too

Why bother being disgusted by something not true?
Even if it was fake, I still felt uneasy reading those scenes with Jace and Clary.
Regan ♥ wrote: "Please inform me about how the Mortal Instruments is like the Harry Potter series, because I do not see the similarities, honestly."
I agree. They are nothing like Harry Potter. I hate Harry Potter so if I hated that I would hat the Mortal Instruments, correct?? And I would like to see YOU (@Heaven) to write and publish a bestselling series and sell millions of copies. Not very many authors re worth raving about, but Cassandra Clare's use of discriptive language is incredible. Try to write a book. I DARE you. :)
I agree. They are nothing like Harry Potter. I hate Harry Potter so if I hated that I would hat the Mortal Instruments, correct?? And I would like to see YOU (@Heaven) to write and publish a bestselling series and sell millions of copies. Not very many authors re worth raving about, but Cassandra Clare's use of discriptive language is incredible. Try to write a book. I DARE you. :)

I agree. They are nothing like Harry Potter. I ..."
You go girl! :) I agree!

I agree. They are nothing like Harry Potter. I ..."
This may be just me, but I think that's a pretty weak argument to make. Personally, I don't think you need be equally able to write a book to know that someone's else book is neither to our taste or to think if it is any good or not.
Olivia wrote: "Callie wrote: "Regan ♥ wrote: "Please inform me about how the Mortal Instruments is like the Harry Potter series, because I do not see the similarities, honestly."
I agree. They are nothing like H..."
Thank you. I'm glad to see some people in this blessed world are left with common sense.
I agree. They are nothing like H..."
Thank you. I'm glad to see some people in this blessed world are left with common sense.

Agree. it's nothing like Harry Potter.
nxlee wrote: "Callie wrote: "Regan ♥ wrote: "Please inform me about how the Mortal Instruments is like the Harry Potter series, because I do not see the similarities, honestly."
I agree. They are nothing like H..."
A weak argument to make, let me inform you, is to say that a book is as bad as another horrible book. You may not need to know how to write a book, but you need to recognize a good author. Her use of descriptive language is amazing, her detail in characters is exquisite... maybe you should re-read it and re-think my "weak argument."
I agree. They are nothing like H..."
A weak argument to make, let me inform you, is to say that a book is as bad as another horrible book. You may not need to know how to write a book, but you need to recognize a good author. Her use of descriptive language is amazing, her detail in characters is exquisite... maybe you should re-read it and re-think my "weak argument."

I agree. They are ..."
I agree on that but for me, it is not valid to just say 'a book is as bad as another horrible book' if you don't have any evidence to back up your claims. But shouldn't the actual body of work reflect on how good the person is as an author? It is really the only thing we have to make judgements on how good we - the reader - think she is.
Look, its clear that you hold this series in high esteem and that's fine with me. We obviously differ on opinion here.

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I didn't stop reading jus..."
I didn't mean that you though incest was okay. I meant that it didn't bother you that Jace and Clary had a thing.
I'll get around to reading Star Wars.. One day.
Again, I wasn't saying that you thought that Clary was a pathetic version of Ginny, that was my opinion.
I misunderstood you, when you said that Draco felt little remorse over Dumbledore's death I thought you meant that he killed him. As for him being heartless, that was just a front put up.. A lot like Jace has a tendency of doing.
No, I did.
You just sort of discredited your first comment...