City of Bones
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Am I the only one who couldn't stand this book?
I hate the fact that they were siblings, disgusting!
Kristy wrote: "Abigail wrote: "you people are crazy i loved this book and if you dont like this book keep your comments to yourself and dont ruin the book for others. :("I think everyone is entitled to voice th..."
So true! :)
Gina wrote: "Jenna wrote: "I hated it too. Jace is a jerk, and let's face it the story orbits around him and how "hot" and "emotionally scarred" he is, and that gives him the excuse to act like a jerk. The whol..."Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Fool me into re-reading this a third time, I must be losing my marbles. I should be able to read the first book in the series and feel something that is not hatred for the story. With City of Bones I just felt annoyed and angry. Then anger led to hate, and that led to the dark side. Turns out they don't have cookies, and if they do they taste bitter. I read the whole Twilight series searching for a reason to like it. That only wasted time, money, and my patients. I am not making the same mistake again.
I really wish you didn't give away the spoiler. I mean this is the first book and we're not supposed to know that. so other than that, I agree with you somewhat. I was able to stand the book, but that's because the ending caught my attentions. I didn't care for the beginning and the middle bored me. Clary does drive me crazy and to me the story wasn't written all that well (then again, I had finished up reading some classics and another awesome series that was very well written). I don't think it's like Harry Potter except the school part, but even then, I don't think it reminded me of Harry Potter much. I thought it was okay. It was good enough for me to move on to the next book and that was okay, but good enough for me to move on to the third book. I can tell you one thing though. I don't plan on buying the third (I don't like the first and third that much, lol) and so far, I like the Infernal Devices more (I started Clockwork Orange first and then read City of Bones).
Huh...this is one of the best series I've ever read.To each his own I suppose :p
But I will point out that I understand why people don't like the books.
OK....so far, all the "I hate this series" comments that I've read seem fine.....except for the fact that NONE of YOU ARE SAYING WHY YOU HATE IT! Pleaaaaase explain!
Jenna wrote: "Gina wrote: "Jenna wrote: "I hated it too. Jace is a jerk, and let's face it the story orbits around him and how "hot" and "emotionally scarred" he is, and that gives him the excuse to act like a j..."
What was it that bothered you so much about it?
What was it that bothered you so much about it?
Olivia wrote: "OK....so far, all the "I hate this series" comments that I've read seem fine.....except for the fact that NONE of YOU ARE SAYING WHY YOU HATE IT! Pleaaaaase explain!"Yes, agreed!
Coming from someone who has read all of the current four books in the TMI series, I'll try to give my best thorough explanation as to why I really really REALLY dislike this series. But before I start, to each their own - I have plenty of friends on GR who love this series, and if you love this series to your dying breath, than good for you. But as it has been said before, everyone is entitled to their opinion and here is mine. In short: I will not apologize if whatever I write here offends you. Another thing is that while I don't think these are the WORST books ever written (I am more than likely going to give that title to the likes of the Evermore or House of Night series) - they are pretty awful and overly hyped, in my personal opinion. While I admit it is a step up from the usual Romantic Plot Tumour infestation of most YA novellas like Twilight, Fallen, Evermore, Nightshade and so forth; there were several factors of it that could not make me like this series, as much as I would have wanted to.
1. My problem isn't the whole 'incest' plot twist (and disregarding the fact that she ripped it off Star Wars). I mean I love Edmund/Fanny (from Jane Austen's Mansfield Park) and Catherine/Hareton (from Emily Bronte's Wuthering Heights) and they were legitimate first cousins! It's the fact that it was never needed, and simply a contrived conflict to drive and keep our breeding couple apart. Maybe she wanted to stand out from all the other YA authors, because having a love triangle and the whole "we can't be together because I'm sure I'm EVIL!" agenda with Jace is something I'm sure Cassandra Clare thought other authors have already exploited.
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2. I find it utterly hilarious that you say that, Heaven - considering that Cassandra Clare was a fanfiction author, most notoriously known for her Draco trilogy because of its surrounding plagiarism and such which can be read about here. From what I've gleaned, this whole TMI series is essentially her fanfic trilogy, but with different names and such. So no one act surprised when there is little originality in this series. Or so I think, anyway.
Reading through this thread, I have noticed that some of you do not see the similarities between TMI and the Harry Potter series. Warning: this may be containing spoilers from both the TMI/Harry Potter series. Please also note that I assume that you have already watch/read Harry Potter in order to get my comparisons.
Clary = the useless and more annoying version of Ginny
Jace = Draco Malfoy
Valentine = Voldemort
Jocelyn = Lily Evans
Luke = Snape/Lupin
Circle = Death Eaters/Order of the Phoenix
Clave = Ministry of Magic
Hodge = Wormtail
Mundane = Muggles
I could go on further on how she took elements from other things like Buffy and so forth, but I won't. I like to think that we are getting the point here.
3. Good God, could I agree with that. Not only was Clary annoying, had little to NO character growth nor development, was entirely ungrateful, demanding, self-entitled Mary Sue of a twat - but she was equally as passive of a protagonist as Bella was! I found it highly annoying that she DOESN'T DO ANYTHING in this series. She essentially just stands around, flailing and reacting to everything.
4. Really? I'm sorry to hear that, considering that Simon was actually one of the few characters that I actually liked. Probably because he was a funny, sweet, considerate and likable character; and probably also because he was so horribly treated by most of the TMI cast, but nonetheless - to each their own.
5. I actually cut some of the characters some slack, like Jace/Isabelle and Alec because they have been raised and live in a different world than us 'mundanes'.
6. I generally don't have a major problem with predictable plots, as long as they are executed well enough that you are willing to forgive it for following a formulaic plot. While this follows the "villain is stealing important artifacts to take over the world, we must stop him before it's too late!" plotline, I didn't mind it as much?
Hence why I recommend you always "borrow" these books from the library, like I do. Because believe me, I did the same mistake with Hush, Hush and boy did I regret it.
Of course not! Remember that you are not completely alone on this. It is perfectly okay to not like a book when there seems to be hordes of fans for it. *hugs*
nxlee wrote: "Coming from someone who has read all of the current four books in the TMI series, I'll try to give my best thorough explanation as to why I really really REALLY dislike this series. But before I st...my comparisons...
Clary = the useless and more annoying version of Ginny
Jace = Draco Malfoy
Valentine = Voldemort
Jocelyn = Lily Evans
Luke = Snape/Lupin
Circle = Death Eaters/Order of the Phoenix
Clave = Ministry of Magic
Hodge = Wormtail
Mundane = Muggles"
For me Luke was more Cassie Clare's Sirius and Jocelyn was more of her Narcissa (well, sort of) :)
1) I just wish she used a different conflict to drive Jace/Clary apart. It was obvious the whole brother/sister thing was just a misunderstanding. I wished their conflict was something believable that had serious consequences and the challenge would be how to hurdle them -- like the love potion dilemma in Cassie Clare's Draco Sinister. Now that was a true dilemma!
3) Yeah, I didn't hate Clary (the way I hated Bella), but you're right Clary was really just passive and reactive
Gina wrote: "Jenna wrote: "Gina wrote: "Jenna wrote: "I hated it too. Jace is a jerk, and let's face it the story orbits around him and how "hot" and "emotionally scarred" he is, and that gives him the excuse t..."I didn't like the main characters, the side characters, and the villain. They all got under my skin except for maybe Simon, Luke, and Magnus, but those three weren't enough to keep me reading. I see the appeal to this series I do, but it's not for me.
I love Magnus and Luke. Most people think Simon is annoying, he was annoying in the 2nd book.
Gina wrote: "I love Magnus and Luke. Most people think Simon is annoying, he was annoying in the 2nd book."Agreed! Magnus rocks! :D
nxlee wrote: "Coming from someone who has read all of the current four books in the TMI series, I'll try to give my best thorough explanation as to why I really really REALLY dislike this series. But before I st..."I couldn't have said it better! Literally, couldn't. And so so accurate ;)
Olivia wrote: "Gina wrote: "I love Magnus and Luke. Most people think Simon is annoying, he was annoying in the 2nd book."
Agreed! Magnus rocks! :D"
I give you that, Magnus is one of the only good things about the book.
nxlee wrote: "Coming from someone who has read all of the current four books in the TMI series, I'll try to give my best thorough explanation as to why I really really REALLY dislike this series. But before I st..."
Thank you for explaining the Harry Potter thing, that's exactly what I thought. I knew Clare wrote a Harry potter fan fiction but I didn't know that it was plagiarized, that's funny.
Everyone says that Simone gets better, so maybe I was just judging him to quickly.
I hated hush, Hush too.
*Hughs back* Thank you, this is a really hard time for me. Haha
Jenna wrote: "Gina wrote: "Jenna wrote: "I hated it too. Jace is a jerk, and let's face it the story orbits around him and how "hot" and "emotionally scarred" he is, and that gives him the excuse to act like a j..."
I hated Twilight for a lot of reasons but mainly, it was because there was no point to the story. Personally, I only like stories that I can take something from it, whether it's a good moral, independent characters that I can admire, or a plot that makes me think. All I thought about after I read the series is "I wonder if I can get my money back..." Haha
Danielle wrote: "Heaven wrote: "This is honestly one of the worst, if not the worst books I've read in my entire life.
And here's why:
1. Incest (Ew.) I haven't read the rest of the series but, my friend told m..."
Nope, but apparently there's only three of us: me, you, and Nxlee. Haha
Emily wrote: "1. They aren't really siblings and it was a clever plot device to add more tension to the series. Have you seen Star Wars? They used a reverse of the same plot device.
2. I think the two series ha..."
I get they weren't really siblings, but just the general idea creeps me out. I don't know if you have a brother but, I do and that idea that anyone could be attracted to someone who their related to.. It's just gross. Like I said, I know they weren't really related but, just that Cassandra Claire added that... No, just... ew.
To me, it sounded like Cassandra Clare was trying to hard to make Clary sound like a teenage girl. I get that all teens talk differently, but Clary talked, it didn't match the way she thought (Does that make sense?). Plus, like you said, all teens talk differently. Plus, Jace talks just like Clary.
Abigail wrote: "Kristy wrote: "Abigail wrote: "you people are crazy i loved this book and if you dont like this book keep your comments to yourself and dont ruin the book for others. :("
I think everyone is ent..."
I personally, haven't even read the entire first book (I really couldn't stand it), but I try to finish series' as much as I can, even if they're terrible. I almost always give books a second chance, because I want them to get better, but I saw the series going down hill the second I started reading.
Olivia wrote: "When is this Heaven person going to reply to any of our comments?"
Right now :)
I completely forgot I created this discussion. So, I've spent like the last 20 minutes catching up.
Agreed! Magnus rocks! :D"
I give you that, Magnus is one of the only good things about the book.
nxlee wrote: "Coming from someone who has read all of the current four books in the TMI series, I'll try to give my best thorough explanation as to why I really really REALLY dislike this series. But before I st..."
Thank you for explaining the Harry Potter thing, that's exactly what I thought. I knew Clare wrote a Harry potter fan fiction but I didn't know that it was plagiarized, that's funny.
Everyone says that Simone gets better, so maybe I was just judging him to quickly.
I hated hush, Hush too.
*Hughs back* Thank you, this is a really hard time for me. Haha
Jenna wrote: "Gina wrote: "Jenna wrote: "I hated it too. Jace is a jerk, and let's face it the story orbits around him and how "hot" and "emotionally scarred" he is, and that gives him the excuse to act like a j..."
I hated Twilight for a lot of reasons but mainly, it was because there was no point to the story. Personally, I only like stories that I can take something from it, whether it's a good moral, independent characters that I can admire, or a plot that makes me think. All I thought about after I read the series is "I wonder if I can get my money back..." Haha
Danielle wrote: "Heaven wrote: "This is honestly one of the worst, if not the worst books I've read in my entire life.
And here's why:
1. Incest (Ew.) I haven't read the rest of the series but, my friend told m..."
Nope, but apparently there's only three of us: me, you, and Nxlee. Haha
Emily wrote: "1. They aren't really siblings and it was a clever plot device to add more tension to the series. Have you seen Star Wars? They used a reverse of the same plot device.
2. I think the two series ha..."
I get they weren't really siblings, but just the general idea creeps me out. I don't know if you have a brother but, I do and that idea that anyone could be attracted to someone who their related to.. It's just gross. Like I said, I know they weren't really related but, just that Cassandra Claire added that... No, just... ew.
To me, it sounded like Cassandra Clare was trying to hard to make Clary sound like a teenage girl. I get that all teens talk differently, but Clary talked, it didn't match the way she thought (Does that make sense?). Plus, like you said, all teens talk differently. Plus, Jace talks just like Clary.
Abigail wrote: "Kristy wrote: "Abigail wrote: "you people are crazy i loved this book and if you dont like this book keep your comments to yourself and dont ruin the book for others. :("
I think everyone is ent..."
I personally, haven't even read the entire first book (I really couldn't stand it), but I try to finish series' as much as I can, even if they're terrible. I almost always give books a second chance, because I want them to get better, but I saw the series going down hill the second I started reading.
Olivia wrote: "When is this Heaven person going to reply to any of our comments?"
Right now :)
I completely forgot I created this discussion. So, I've spent like the last 20 minutes catching up.
Heaven wrote: "Olivia wrote: "Gina wrote: "I love Magnus and Luke. Most people think Simon is annoying, he was annoying in the 2nd book."Agreed! Magnus rocks! :D"
I give you that, Magnus is one of the only goo..."
OK, Thanks for replying finally. :D BTW you might want to try reading The Book Thief.....just a recommendation.
Gina wrote: "I love Magnus and Luke. Most people think Simon is annoying, he was annoying in the 2nd book."I actually liked Simon, well... up to the second book anyway. After that, I admit that because he got so pushed to the sidelines because of the epic Clary/Jace romance I just grew to care less about him. And then his characterization in City of Fallen Angels just really pissed me off.
Magnus was a character I kind of overlooked until City of Ashes. And then I realized that he was just FABULOUSLY AWESOME, and that was that. Luke same thing, but much earlier - even if he is just painfully boring as a heroic kind of character who puts up with a lot of Clary's shit.
Olivia wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Olivia wrote: "Gina wrote: "I love Magnus and Luke. Most people think Simon is annoying, he was annoying in the 2nd book."
Agreed! Magnus rocks! :D"
I give you that, Magnus is one ..."
I've had the Book Theif on my ' To Read' list for a while :) I'll up it's priority. Thanks for the recommendation.
Agreed! Magnus rocks! :D"
I give you that, Magnus is one ..."
I've had the Book Theif on my ' To Read' list for a while :) I'll up it's priority. Thanks for the recommendation.
Heaven wrote: "This is honestly one of the worst, if not the worst books I've read in my entire life.And here's why:
1. Incest (Ew.) I haven't read the rest of the series but, my friend told me the she's..."
Well at least u finish I got to the midway point found every character to be not worth the effort to read and put it down. I just don't get the hype.
I don't see any similarities in HP and TMI series. I loved TMI!
Monica wrote: "Heaven wrote: "This is honestly one of the worst, if not the worst books I've read in my entire life.
And here's why:
1. Incest (Ew.) I haven't read the rest of the series but, my friend to..."
I only got as fad as I did because my best begged me to give it a shot, otherwise I would have probably stopped way earlier. I completely agree, it isn't worth all the hyper that surrounds it. There are so many books that deserve to be this popular, but TMI isn't one of them.
And here's why:
1. Incest (Ew.) I haven't read the rest of the series but, my friend to..."
I only got as fad as I did because my best begged me to give it a shot, otherwise I would have probably stopped way earlier. I completely agree, it isn't worth all the hyper that surrounds it. There are so many books that deserve to be this popular, but TMI isn't one of them.
I cannot BELIEVE this! TMI cannot be hated! Its NOT POSSIBLE!!! ITS FRIKIN AWESOME!!!!!!!
Olivia wrote: "OK....so far, all the "I hate this series" comments that I've read seem fine.....except for the fact that NONE of YOU ARE SAYING WHY YOU HATE IT! Pleaaaaase explain!"
There are more explinations from people who don't like it, than from people who do. All I see are.people who keep saying "I LOVVVVVE THIS BOOK!!!"
I hope, my explinatiom helped.
There are more explinations from people who don't like it, than from people who do. All I see are.people who keep saying "I LOVVVVVE THIS BOOK!!!"
I hope, my explinatiom helped.
Nawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. its coz this book is so enthralling/awesome/cool/enticing/magnificent/marvelous/wicked sweet/rapt-worthy that TMI lovers are left speechless and all we can utter is:"I LOOOOOOOOVE THIS BOOK!!"
ﻉммel ɮlαq☼ wrote: "Nawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. its coz this book is so enthralling/awesome/cool/enticing/magnificent/marvelous/wicked sweet/rapt-worthy that TMI lovers are left speechless and all we can utter is:
"I LOOOOOO..."
Not really, but to each his own I guess..
"I LOOOOOO..."
Not really, but to each his own I guess..
Yes, really >:P
wait how is TMI anything like Harry Potter????? just curious for an explanation please...
Check out Nxlee's comment, she basically explained it.
Heaven wrote: "Olivia wrote: "OK....so far, all the "I hate this series" comments that I've read seem fine.....except for the fact that NONE of YOU ARE SAYING WHY YOU HATE IT! Pleaaaaase explain!"There are more..."
Ok.....the reason I looooove this book is because:
1. It is awesome!
2. I love the characters.....I mean, who wouldn't want to be Clary?!
3. The whole plot is suspenseful and creative (on Cassandra Clare's part)
4. It has ROMANCE! :D
That's WHY! :D
Olivia wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Olivia wrote: "OK....so far, all the "I hate this series" comments that I've read seem fine.....except for the fact that NONE of YOU ARE SAYING WHY YOU HATE IT! Pleaaaaase explain!"
..."
Those aren't really reasons.
WHY is it awesome?
WHY do you love the characters?
WHY is the plot suspenseful and creative?
..."
Those aren't really reasons.
WHY is it awesome?
WHY do you love the characters?
WHY is the plot suspenseful and creative?
grrr....you're picky....1. It is awesome because it has a unique story line.
2. I love the characters cuz they are exactly how I imagine they would act in real life.
3. Plot is suspenseful....read the back of the book.
I know what Picky person's gonna say!*clears throat* Get ready for this people.
WHY is it a unique story line?
WHY ...they can fill this one in.
WHY, do I have to read the back of the book?
Okay I may be a little bias, but oh well. Okay for starters, 1) if you finish the book and read the next you find out there really is no sibling love between Jace and Clary. Ganes/emotionally wise
2) how do you see a similarity between Harry Potter and City of Bones. I'm actually confused about that. Harry Potter = wizard, City of Bones = shadowhunters
3) I will admit that Clary is an annoyance in the first book but her character does grow. Also because she is annoying you should want to continue reading, to see how she turns out at the end.
4) Okay trying to keep an open mind, but I love Simon. He is a loyal friend and when you continue to read the series he matures drastically and you just fall in love ;D
5) I agree with what Emily wrote, the way Cassandra wrote her novels was very creative. And I love the way she writes!
6) I don't think the book is predictable because the only thing predictable about it was that Simon was in love with Clary. I mean come on, its in the very first chapter. Then when the story is near its end a giant bomb gets dropped right on your face.
Therefore in my opinion this is the best series I've ever read. Then again it does matter the age of the person who is reading the novel. Because of the way Cassandra writes it may be harder for younger readers to enjoy. But I think if you give it another chance you'll grow to love it. Maybe not the first book but maybe the second, third, fourth, of the fifth that is soon to come out.
It was a great book and I don't think it was ripping off Harry Potter at all. And SPOILER ALERT! They aren't siblings.
Shadowhunter wrote: "Okay I may be a little bias, but oh well. Okay for starters,
1) if you finish the book and read the next you find out there really is no sibling love between Jace and Clary. Ganes/emotionally wise..."
Don't worry, I'm probably being biased too.
1) I understand that they aren't actually related, but just the thought is... Gross. It just creeps me out, the second that they found out that they were siblings (Even if it wasn't true) the idea of them dating went in the toilet. Even after they found out the truth, I can't get over that. It's my personal opinion, I get that not everyone feels that way. Plus, it had nothing to with the plot. It was just sort of there. It in no way advanced the story line.
2) I've never read Cassandra Clare's Harry Potter fan fiction, but I've read quite a few other Harry Potter fan fictions. The second Jace was introduced into the story I immediately saw (read?) the similarities between him and how Draco Malfoy is depicted in almost every fan fiction I've ever read. From then on I just started noticing similarities in the characters and such (See Nxlee's comment if you want more details, she pretty much hit it on the head). It isn't really the shallow obvious things, there's a different plot and as you mentioned Harry Potter is a wizard. I've also heard that it rips off Star Wars, but I've never read or seen a single Star Wars in my life, so I wouldn't know.
3) I didn't like Clary's personality. For me to like her she needed to do a lot more than grow up. She would have needed her entire personality to do a 360. Cassandra Clare would have basically made Clary into a whole new character and honestly I don't think Cassandra Clare isn't a good enough writer to be able to do that.
4) I'll admit, I may have judged him prematurely. I haven't read the whole series, he probably matured. I think the thing that annoyed me most about him is that he acted like he was completely in love with Clary but when Isabelle walked into the room he fell at her feet. Not to mention that he acted like a lost puppy most of the time, I thought he seemed kind of pathetic.
5) I can't find Emily's comment and I don't really feel like scrolling through all 85 comments to find it so she may have answered explained that better, but you need to be more specific if you want a reply to that. What did you find creative? What did she do that made her writing style stand out?
6) I read a lot of books. I'm pretty good at figuring out the foreshadowing and piecing the plot together.
I don't understand why you think only older teens will understand it. There wasn't a very large vocabulary, nor a difficult to understand plot. And no offense, but I wouldn't waste anymore money than I already have on this series.
1) if you finish the book and read the next you find out there really is no sibling love between Jace and Clary. Ganes/emotionally wise..."
Don't worry, I'm probably being biased too.
1) I understand that they aren't actually related, but just the thought is... Gross. It just creeps me out, the second that they found out that they were siblings (Even if it wasn't true) the idea of them dating went in the toilet. Even after they found out the truth, I can't get over that. It's my personal opinion, I get that not everyone feels that way. Plus, it had nothing to with the plot. It was just sort of there. It in no way advanced the story line.
2) I've never read Cassandra Clare's Harry Potter fan fiction, but I've read quite a few other Harry Potter fan fictions. The second Jace was introduced into the story I immediately saw (read?) the similarities between him and how Draco Malfoy is depicted in almost every fan fiction I've ever read. From then on I just started noticing similarities in the characters and such (See Nxlee's comment if you want more details, she pretty much hit it on the head). It isn't really the shallow obvious things, there's a different plot and as you mentioned Harry Potter is a wizard. I've also heard that it rips off Star Wars, but I've never read or seen a single Star Wars in my life, so I wouldn't know.
3) I didn't like Clary's personality. For me to like her she needed to do a lot more than grow up. She would have needed her entire personality to do a 360. Cassandra Clare would have basically made Clary into a whole new character and honestly I don't think Cassandra Clare isn't a good enough writer to be able to do that.
4) I'll admit, I may have judged him prematurely. I haven't read the whole series, he probably matured. I think the thing that annoyed me most about him is that he acted like he was completely in love with Clary but when Isabelle walked into the room he fell at her feet. Not to mention that he acted like a lost puppy most of the time, I thought he seemed kind of pathetic.
5) I can't find Emily's comment and I don't really feel like scrolling through all 85 comments to find it so she may have answered explained that better, but you need to be more specific if you want a reply to that. What did you find creative? What did she do that made her writing style stand out?
6) I read a lot of books. I'm pretty good at figuring out the foreshadowing and piecing the plot together.
I don't understand why you think only older teens will understand it. There wasn't a very large vocabulary, nor a difficult to understand plot. And no offense, but I wouldn't waste anymore money than I already have on this series.
Olivia wrote: "grrr....you're picky....
1. It is awesome because it has a unique story line.
2. I love the characters cuz they are exactly how I imagine they would act in real life.
3. Plot is suspenseful....re..."
Yes, I know sorry, but I hate when I get vague comments then try to reply and they're like "THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT!!!!!" and I'm just like how was I supposed to know that? Plus, it's hard to reply to comments that don't really give me anything to reply too.
1. ﻉммel ɮlαq☼ was right, I have to ask: why is it unique? I know, I probably sound like an annoying teacher, but I can't really reply to something that says "It's unique" what am I supposed to say? Unless, you want to type every single detail that resembles other books.
2. I don't agree with that. They all have different personalities, but they all talk an have the same body language. I've never met anyone who has the exact same vocabulary as someone else, not even identical twins. So I find very unlikely that Jace uses the exact same slang words as Clary and Simon.
3. I didn't find the book suspenseful at all, I thought it was trying to hard, but that's probably more of a personal opinion.
As for the back of the book, I only use my Kindle, so I can't actually read the back of the book. But for the record, the most interesting part of a story is always the summary on the back. In my experience if the summary is weak, the actually story will be a hundred times worse.
The three most important parts of selling a book is:
1) The Title. That's the first thing you notice on a shelf in the store. If the spine of the book doesn't catch you eye, you won't even bother picking it up.
2) The Cover. If you see a boring or stupid cover, most people will put it right back where they found it.
3) The Back. The most important part, people see 1 and 2 first, but if the back cover is absolutely, unequivocally, unarguably stupendous then it isn't going to sell very well. It doesn't matter if it has the best plot in the entire world (Which I highly doubt it would. If you can write a really good story, you should be able to write an amazing back cover). Story's almost never live up to the hype on the back cover.
1. It is awesome because it has a unique story line.
2. I love the characters cuz they are exactly how I imagine they would act in real life.
3. Plot is suspenseful....re..."
Yes, I know sorry, but I hate when I get vague comments then try to reply and they're like "THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT!!!!!" and I'm just like how was I supposed to know that? Plus, it's hard to reply to comments that don't really give me anything to reply too.
1. ﻉммel ɮlαq☼ was right, I have to ask: why is it unique? I know, I probably sound like an annoying teacher, but I can't really reply to something that says "It's unique" what am I supposed to say? Unless, you want to type every single detail that resembles other books.
2. I don't agree with that. They all have different personalities, but they all talk an have the same body language. I've never met anyone who has the exact same vocabulary as someone else, not even identical twins. So I find very unlikely that Jace uses the exact same slang words as Clary and Simon.
3. I didn't find the book suspenseful at all, I thought it was trying to hard, but that's probably more of a personal opinion.
As for the back of the book, I only use my Kindle, so I can't actually read the back of the book. But for the record, the most interesting part of a story is always the summary on the back. In my experience if the summary is weak, the actually story will be a hundred times worse.
The three most important parts of selling a book is:
1) The Title. That's the first thing you notice on a shelf in the store. If the spine of the book doesn't catch you eye, you won't even bother picking it up.
2) The Cover. If you see a boring or stupid cover, most people will put it right back where they found it.
3) The Back. The most important part, people see 1 and 2 first, but if the back cover is absolutely, unequivocally, unarguably stupendous then it isn't going to sell very well. It doesn't matter if it has the best plot in the entire world (Which I highly doubt it would. If you can write a really good story, you should be able to write an amazing back cover). Story's almost never live up to the hype on the back cover.
Uhmmm... Okay?
Oh, and I love Lilo and Stitch! :p
Oh, and I love Lilo and Stitch! :p
:D me too! But I like stitch more than Lilo.
ﻉммel ɮlαq☼ wrote: ":D me too! But I like stitch more than Lilo."
That's because Stitch is 10000000 times more adorable than Lilo :D
That's because Stitch is 10000000 times more adorable than Lilo :D
Yes! Especially when he does this!
nxlee wrote: "Clary = the useless and more annoying version of GinnyJace = Draco Malfoy
Valentine = Voldemort
Hodge = Wormtail
Mundane = Muggles"
I love TMI and felt that some of your long explanation need clarification.
Clary = the useless and more annoying version of Ginny
Clary is totally different with Ginny. Clary fell for Jace right away. Her relationship with Simon was only after she realised she can not go on loving her 'brother'. Ginny fell in love with Harry since she was so young, and 'enjoyed' her relationship with other boy only to raise Harry's jealousy, as 'instructed' by Hermione.
Jace = Draco Malfoy
Sorry, but did you read the book? Or jumped to what you considered as similarity(ies) between them?
When Jace belonged to the good side, even after he was dragged by evil to the bad side, Draco always sided the dark side and showed only a little remorse for Dumbledore's death. He didn't even consider Harry as someone he owed his life to.
Valentine = Voldemort
Valentine's wish was to create the powerful shadowhunters, far better than the Downworlders. He did everything to accomplish that, but he did not want the all evil shadowhunters. That is why he was so terrified with having all evil Sebastian and 'created' Jace with angel blood.
Voldemort is all about evil. If you understand the series, you would have nominated Lilith instead of Valentine.
Hodge = Wormtail
Hodge had to choose what he had to choose but at the same time he also wanted to protect Jace, in a funny way. Hodge was bitter and regretted things he had done at the end. Wormtail was all about following the evil Voldemort and never showed his regret at all.
Mundane = Muggles
Funny you have to state this out. Do you know that Mundane is a real word. You can peer your dictionary for this. Muggles is an invented word
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Hahaha Definitely, what's cuter than a blue alien with his tongue up his nose? :P
Heaven wrote: "Hahaha Definitely, what's cuter than a blue alien with his tongue up his nose? :P"nothingggg!!
Heaven wrote: "1) I understand that they aren't actually related, but just the thought is... Gross. It just creeps me out, the second that they found out that they were siblings (Even if it wasn't true) the idea of them dating went in the toilet. Even after they found out the truth, I can't get over that. It's my personal opinion, I get that not everyone feels that way. Plus, it had nothing to with the plot. It was just sort of there. It in no way advanced the story line."Love sometimes works in such a ridiculous way. Jace fell in love with Clary as struck by lighting. And Clary was mesmerised by Jace the moment she saw him. Both never felt such a strong feeling before.
Only after that they were told that they were brother and sister. They did not go on with their love as if they were ignoring all the facts. They sometimes were helpless with what they felt. They were so young and so emotional.
The Skywalkers were also brother and sister. Did anyone loath them. Yes if the readers stopped right away, but No, because we give the story a chance to tell everything and ourselves the greatest series.
Heaven wrote: "This is honestly one of the worst, if not the worst books I've read in my entire life.And here's why:
1. Incest (Ew.) I haven't read the rest of the series but, my friend told me the she's..."
I really liked it :)
I agree that the sibling-romance was really ewy, but of courrrrseee they aren't actually related. There was a scene in CoG where Clary kisses her actual brother, Sebastian/Jonathan (:3), but apart from that, books 2 and 3 are actually pretty romantic.
I think that the books have great action scenes and they keep you on your feet, and some on the on-liners are to die for. Also, Jace is hot.
I agree it's not the best literature ever, but they're entertaining and fun, and I'd implore you to give them another go :) (only don't like, feel any pressure or anything). The series only get's better.
ﻉммel ɮlαq☼ wrote: "Heaven wrote: "Hahaha Definitely, what's cuter than a blue alien with his tongue up his nose? :P"
nothingggg!!"
Haha I know right?
Nurlely wrote: "Heaven wrote: "1) I understand that they aren't actually related, but just the thought is... Gross. It just creeps me out, the second that they found out that they were siblings (Even if it wasn't ..."
Call me cynical, but that doesn't happen in real life. Incest is gross. End of story. Maybe it doesn't bother you, but it does me. It's a personal opinion.
I didn't stop reading just because of the sibling thing, I stopped because I found nothing what-so-ever appealing about the book. I've never read Star Wars but I hear that TMI ripped that book off too. You can wrap everything up in a pretty bow of words, but that doesn't make it a better story.
Nurlely wrote: "nxlee wrote: "Clary = the useless and more annoying version of Ginny
Jace = Draco Malfoy
Valentine = Voldemort
Hodge = Wormtail
Mundane = Muggles"
I love TMI and felt that some of your long explan..."
Clary = the useless and more annoying version of Ginny
Hermione advised Ginny to be herself around Harry, not make him jealous. She dated other guys because she's a teenage girl. Simon was Clary's rebound, it's already been said that Clary was the pathetic version of Ginny.
Jace = Draco Malfoy
Draco didn't kill Dumbledore, Snape did because Draco couldn't, remember? Draco was always forced on the evil side. First, it was because his dad was a death eater, later in the series (In either the Half Blood Prince or the Deathly Hallows) Draco reveals that if he doesn't do what Voldemort wants he will kill his parents. Draco struggles with the good and evil in him just as Jace does. Not to mention the fact that Cassandra Clare created a Harry Potter fan fiction and created Draco the exact same way as Jace.
Valentine = Voldemort
Okay, so he was a more cowardly version of Voldemort.
Mundane = Muggles
Yes, it's already been established that J.K. Rowling is much more creative than Cassandra Clare.
nothingggg!!"
Haha I know right?
Nurlely wrote: "Heaven wrote: "1) I understand that they aren't actually related, but just the thought is... Gross. It just creeps me out, the second that they found out that they were siblings (Even if it wasn't ..."
Call me cynical, but that doesn't happen in real life. Incest is gross. End of story. Maybe it doesn't bother you, but it does me. It's a personal opinion.
I didn't stop reading just because of the sibling thing, I stopped because I found nothing what-so-ever appealing about the book. I've never read Star Wars but I hear that TMI ripped that book off too. You can wrap everything up in a pretty bow of words, but that doesn't make it a better story.
Nurlely wrote: "nxlee wrote: "Clary = the useless and more annoying version of Ginny
Jace = Draco Malfoy
Valentine = Voldemort
Hodge = Wormtail
Mundane = Muggles"
I love TMI and felt that some of your long explan..."
Clary = the useless and more annoying version of Ginny
Hermione advised Ginny to be herself around Harry, not make him jealous. She dated other guys because she's a teenage girl. Simon was Clary's rebound, it's already been said that Clary was the pathetic version of Ginny.
Jace = Draco Malfoy
Draco didn't kill Dumbledore, Snape did because Draco couldn't, remember? Draco was always forced on the evil side. First, it was because his dad was a death eater, later in the series (In either the Half Blood Prince or the Deathly Hallows) Draco reveals that if he doesn't do what Voldemort wants he will kill his parents. Draco struggles with the good and evil in him just as Jace does. Not to mention the fact that Cassandra Clare created a Harry Potter fan fiction and created Draco the exact same way as Jace.
Valentine = Voldemort
Okay, so he was a more cowardly version of Voldemort.
Mundane = Muggles
Yes, it's already been established that J.K. Rowling is much more creative than Cassandra Clare.
Heaven wrote: "Call me cynical, but that doesn't happen in real life. Incest is gross. End of story. Maybe it doesn't bother you, but it does me. It's a personal opinion.I didn't stop reading just because of the sibling thing, I stopped because I found nothing what-so-ever appealing about the book. I've never read Star Wars but I hear that TMI ripped that book off too. You can wrap everything up in a pretty bow of words, but that doesn't make it a better story."
It surely bothered me. I am a religious person, so incest is always a sin. Not that it matters to the story, but as to answer your 'accusation' And I didn't believe that CC was going to kill her career by presenting and approving incest case in a YA series.
Too bad that you haven't read Star Wars, one of the best fantasy ever created.
And for me, I think a good story is not based on some readers' bad remarks, but the continuity and attachment I feel for the series.
Heaven wrote: "Simon was Clary's rebound, it's already been said that Clary was the pathetic version of Ginny."
I think you misunderstood mine. They are not the same, far...far from Clary being the pathetic version. But probably because you hate the series, you took my message in a wrong way.
Heaven wrote: "Draco didn't kill Dumbledore, Snape did because Draco couldn't, remember? "
Did I say Draco killed Dumbledore? I love fantasy, so it is not likely that I would miss reading HP, or skipping between the pages. And Draco enjoyed treating others badly and looked down at his loyal friends.
Heaven wrote: "Valentine = Voldemort
Okay, so he was a more cowardly version of Voldemort. "
So you didn't actually know that before, did you?
Heaven wrote: "Mundane = Muggles
Yes, it's already been established that J.K. Rowling is much more creative than Cassandra Clare. "
I think it only tells me that your accusation is not based on the actual story itself. CC is different with JK, but before TMI, the word mundane was probably used very little to describe human being.
Cheers
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And here's why:
1. Incest (Ew.) I haven't read the rest of the series but, my friend told me the she's..."
I thought I was the ONLY person who thought this was a rip off of Harry Potter. I couldn't even finish this no matter how hard I tried. The book was pointless. I tried to go over 200, but that page was a maximum. The story was just jumping all over the place.