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Nov 10, 2008 02:02PM
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But isn't it basically the big bang topic?
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Well, I don't. I acually put my opion on the topic about they planets. But I have more to say if you want me to.
Fine that is what you think but I think differently. But does it matter what we believe? We believe different things happened and that's part of being a human. We are all humans so why is this even a big deal?
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Did you even THINK about Lendle? How can you call THAT human?! I have seen gerbals with more human-ness!
LOL!
Kittykat said:"I think god made us all and that he loves us all very much and that he is th only and most powerful god!"
I'd like to offer an alternative to Kittykat's comment. A similar conversation came up amongst the characters in my novel, The Ezekiel Code. Here's an excerpt from that conversation:
------ Begin Excerpt ---------
Kline nodded. “You heard me correctly. It’s the most radical part
of the so called ET hypothesis.”
“That humans were created by aliens?” Banyon countered. “Come
on.”
Kline continued. “Several of the creation stories from cultures
around the world indicate that these beings from the stars came to
earth and created the humans in their likeness. Even the Sumerian
creation story seems to imply such to have been the case.”
“And God created man in his own image,” Banyon muttered,
quoting the Old Testament.
“Now you’re catching on,” Kline said.
Angela was quite amused. “So you’re saying God was an alien?”
“Let me put it to you this way,” Kline said, refilling his pipe.
“Look how much we’ve learned about human DNA in just the past
few years. Our scientists have mapped the entire human genome.
We’ve cloned several animals, from mice to sheep. Some scientists
say they are on the verge of cloning an entire human being. You and I
know it’s going to happen sooner or later. Right?”
“No doubt,” Banyon admitted.
“And quantum physicists are seriously talking about the possibility
of actually folding space, condensing the space-time continuum,
making it theoretically possible for humans to traverse unbelievable
distances through space in no time at all. Right?”
“That’s true,” Banyon said. “I’m always seeing articles about that
in Science Today magazine.”
“Okay,” Kline said. “Now go with me on this. Knowing that all
this is true, fast forward now, say, fifty years. Or make it a hundred
years if you like. Now imagine by this time we’ve perfected the ability
to clone everything we can think of including complete human beings.
We have genetic engineering down to a science. No pun intended. At
the same time, the advances in quantum mechanics have given us the
ability to travel to planets beyond our own solar system, anywhere in
the universe. Are you with me?”
“I’m with you,” Banyon said.
Angela nodded.
“Good. Now imagine a crew of scientists leaves the earth in one of
the latest space-time bending vehicles heading for a planet they
suspect is capable of sustaining life as we know it. They reach the
planet and discover, indeed, it’s like a veritable Garden of Eden. And
what do they find?”
“I’ll bite,” Banyon said. “What do they find?”
“They find that life has evolved on that planet to the point where
there are what we might call proto-humans wandering around all over
the place. Creatures that are, for all intents and purposes, very similar
to the Neanderthals that once roamed the earth. The scientists set up a
facility in the midst of a beautiful, lush green environment and proceed
to capture a couple of these near-human creatures. Lo and behold, they
discover its genetic makeup is nearly identical to their own. These
creatures are more closely related to earth humans than earth humans
are to chimpanzees which, as you may know, is about as close to being
human as you can get without actually being human. As far as the
genetics go, there is very little difference. Maybe as little as one
percent. Of course that little difference makes all the difference but
you get my point.”
“Of course,” Banyon said.
“So,” Kline continued, “these scientists take two of these creatures,
these Neanderthal types, one male and one female, and through a
process of advanced genetic engineering they fuse the necessary
human DNA with the natural DNA of the creatures and virtually
create a couple of fully functioning, fully evolved human beings in
their own likeness. That is, in the likeness of the human scientists, if
you follow me.”
The professor paused for a moment to let that idea sink in. Then he
continued.
“The scientists teach them all sorts of things. Mathematics, art,
language, writing, everything they can think of including some rules
for personal and social behavior. These two new creatures - this Adam
and Eve, if you will - produce offspring and their offspring produce
more of the same and on it goes, generation after generation. In the
meantime the scientists have left the planet to continue the same
process somewhere else in the universe. Now the new creatures,
virtually human in every way, begin to pass on their story of Creation.
They tell of how the gods came from the stars and created them in
their own likeness and taught them everything they needed to know to
survive. As the population grows over time and spreads out across the
planet, various groups begin to create their own cultures and the
Creation stories change a little here and a little there until there are
many creation stories around the planet and many different religions
are built around these different beliefs. You see what I mean? Sound
familiar? Now, as the ages pass, civilizations rise and fall and one day
they reach a level of scientific advancement that allows them to map
their own genome, engage in the science of cloning, and discover the
secrets of quantum physics and space travel. Soon, a team of these
scientists travels to another planet and the process begins all over
again. And this scenario is going on everywhere throughout the vast
reaches of the infinite universe. And in every case – on every planet -
the newly created beings tell the stories of how the gods came from
the stars and created them in their own likeness.” Kline stopped and
took a sip of coffee and waited for a reaction.
Banyon and Angela were stunned by the power of the image the
professor had just projected into their consciousness.
“Jesus Christ,” Banyon said, rubbing his eyes as if he’d just come
out of a darkened movie theater. “That’s a hell of a scenario.”
“Really fascinating,” Angela concurred. “So do you really believe
this is the way it is?”
Kline smiled. “Well,” he said, “let’s just say I think there’s a damn
good chance that it’s something very much like that.”
“But what does this say about God?” Banyon asked. “Where does
God fit into a scenario like that? Or is there no real God in this picture?”
“Personally,” Kline said, “I don’t think it eliminates God at all. But
it does require a change in the way we perceive what God really is. This
is where we must look to the ideas about the nature of God, ideas that
already exist in various philosophies on this planet. But that’s a
discussion for another time, I’m afraid. The reason I’m telling you all of
this is simply to get you to think about other ways of perceiving our
reality and especially the idea that there are other intelligent beings in
the universe and that they’ve been here.”
------ End Excerpt ---------
I know it's pretty radical but I thought it might spark some further comments.
Cool group, by the way. I love these topics. :-)
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Omigosh! I had that theory a while back! But then, who created the original original orginal scientists? Or were they 'evoluted' or whatever? Wow...my brain hurts...
Maybe the original, original, original scientists were just a happen of chance. You never know. I think the universe is capabale of some awemazing things. Really out of this world things.I really thought that excerpt was really cool. The human has always wonder how we came to be. We might really know in the future or we might not. Guessing what happened in the past and what's going to happen in the future is a risky game. We my not always be right. Maybe something that we thought up might turn out to be true but maybe we never thought about what was really true. But the problem is that we will someday know if what we think the future will be, but we don't really know about the past and we will never really know. Unless......we build a time machine. But I'm totally against that. I don't want to mess with time. Wrong! Along with weather and stuff like that.
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The question about the original, original, original... is the big question isn't it?Like you guys, I don't have the answer to it and I didn't want to get into that in the book because I was afraid it would have ended up in a conversation between the characters that was much longer than I had planned. I needed to move the story along and, at that point, it wouldn't have added anything to the plot. God knows the book is loaded with enough of that kind of stuff as it is! LOL!
But I should tell you the seed for that idea presented in that excerpt was planted in my mind many years ago when I read "The 12th Planet" and "Genesis Revisited", two non-fiction books by Zecharia Sitchin. He is a scholar of the ancient Sumerian culture and is one of the few who can read the Sumerian script. His interpretations of the Sumerian writings are highly controversial and generally not accepted by mainstream academics. In short, what he says is that the Sumerian texts tell of a race of humanoid beings called the Anunnaki that came to this planet from another planet called Nibiru. When they came here they found the Neanderthal types and genetically altered them, basically mixing their own DNA with the proto-human Neanderthals and, thus, making them into fully functioning human beings.
These Anunnaki, he believes, are the Nephilim mentioned in the 6th chapter of Genesis. Most Bibles seem to have dropped the name, Nephilim (or Nefilim), and have replaced it with "the Sons of God" which is the translation of, or the meaning of "Nephilim" from the original Hebrew text. The Anunnaki are probably the same as the "Anakim" mentioned in the Bible. I'm not sure where that can be found in the Bible but I did find mention of "the sons of Anak" (Numbers 13:21-33). It says that the sons of Anak were huge people "which come of the giants". This is interesting because if we go back to Genesis 6, the 4th verse we find:
"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."
Interestingly, this is the same section of the Bible that mentions "God" traveling around in a "pillar of cloud" by day and a "pillar of light" by night. Hmmm....
Oh, man. Somebody stop me before I end up writing a book here in this little comment window. LOL
But, basically, you can see how the dots can be connected. And this is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg as they say. There's so much more, including the strange encounter that Ezekiel had with what seems to have been a mechanical craft that came from the sky. You can read a little about that in my blog on my MySpace page where I posted a review of a book called The Spaceships of Ezekiel, written by a former NASA engineer. He noticed the same things about Ezekiel's descriptions of the object that I had noticed some years before when I was reading Ezekiel to prepare a Sunday school lesson for 6th graders! LOL! And, in case you're wondering, no, I didn't tell the kids God drives a spaceship. :-)
I.....I don't know what to say to that.
I am so sorry but its really late and my brains not working fast enuf to read all that
Okay so just start on what you think.And answer the polls. Sorry I want to know what people think. That's all.
My father believes in the Charles Darwin's theory of evolution. That we were apes before we evolved into humans.
This really pisses off my mom, who's a very religious Catholic. She says God created our universe, planet, and humans. I believe God created us humans.
My mother believes that God, our creater, came from another universe, who wanted to create his own species. He chose Earth, she guesses, and he created life for his children (humans).
This is her theory, what she thinks. When we were little, we would ask where God came from and she began to really think about it and now as adults, she told us her theory of what might have happened.
This really pisses off my mom, who's a very religious Catholic. She says God created our universe, planet, and humans. I believe God created us humans.
My mother believes that God, our creater, came from another universe, who wanted to create his own species. He chose Earth, she guesses, and he created life for his children (humans).
This is her theory, what she thinks. When we were little, we would ask where God came from and she began to really think about it and now as adults, she told us her theory of what might have happened.
However, no matter how many theories we come up with or how hard we try to find out how we came to exist, we will never find out. It is one of the mysteries of the universe. Life, itself, is a mystery.
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Well, the thing with religon and science is a very talk about thing. People get really mad when someone says that God or science did this and the people thinks the oppsite. It could be both. I mean we could have come from apes and apes from other mamals and so on but where did life on Earth start? I watched this show on the history of the Earth and it showed that how life first came on to the planet is a mystery. So I guess whatever god you believe in could have started life on Earth. So you could believe in both.
Maybe God started the Big Bang, but he was actually a scientist from another planet, and then aliens helped along evolution and...yeah.
But then why would he just be on our planet to make life?
Lol, Riley, I like your theory. It's definitely...original... XD
Yeah, really original. I like it. Ah, sci-fi is the best.
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huh...I think maybe he put out a bunch of diseases, hunger, blah blah blah, all the bad stuff, and then stepped back to see how we would handle it. Maybe we're just an experiment, and they forgot about us...
i doubt that. maybe he created the atoms and molecules and put them into a world and let them go how they needed to go and disease just happened.
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um...that's nice. *whispers to the rest of the group* "did anyone understand that?"
YUP! CUZ I'M A SMARTY PANNNNNNNNTTTTTTTTSSSSSSSSS!No not really.
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....thinking....
IS God
yeah, probably! What a happy happy thought! ... lol
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*SOB*:,(
