Clockwork Prince
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Do you think Jem will die?
I'm so evil I think I'll repeat the other theory once more...Jem and Will might both die.
Apple wrote: "i like Jem but i want him to die (sorry team Jem people) so that Tessa and Will will be together! :)*evil grin"
If he dies there will be even less chance of Will and Tessa, i.e.-
-“If Jem dies, I cannot be with Tessa,” said Will. “Because it will be as if I were waiting for him to die, or took some joy in his death, if it let me have her. And I will not be that person. I will not profit from his death. So he must live.” He lowered his arm, his sleeve bloody. “It is the only way any of this can ever mean anything. Otherwise it is only —”
Apple wrote: "i like Jem but i want him to die (sorry team Jem people) so that Tessa and Will will be together! :)*evil grin"
i know right!!!!!!!!!!!
BridieJDRAGON wrote: If he dies there will be even less chance of Will and Tessa, i.e.-
-..."
yeah. and it breaks me thinking about that.
hahaha
but i'm still hoping that Will will end up with Tessa.
he has been dying for like forever and a day so im not really sad
The latest snippet is mind blowing
Hmm. That's a difficult question.I think that Jem may die. It's probable. However, it will probably be from a circumstance other than his drugs; he may be killed in battle, and so on.
As for the topic of Will vs. Jem, I honestly feel that Jem is better for Tessa. He is more considerate and reliable.
With that said, though, I believe that she will probably choose Will.
Will and Tessa can still be together, if Jem dies. It is not a matter of fact that they will also be separated if Jem is to meet his demise. If Jem passed away even after Will and Tessa did everything for him, then it is Jem's fate. Only in a matter that Tessa left Jem for Will that Will will never take her.
Go Cassie... Kill Jem! (meanie mode)
Ciara *I love Harry Potter!* wrote: "...As for the topic of Will vs. Jem, I honestly feel that Jem is better for Tessa. He is more considerate and reliable. ..."Their marriage will be like living with a friend for Tessa, for she will always long for Will. Nothing is healthy about that. Oh... and Jem was indeed so selfish with all the engagement thingy. He cared only about himself at that moment.
I think it was a case of selfishness for both of them. Will never realized that Jem wanted more (love) not just the ability to live and Jem never thought about how Will would feel if he proposed to Tessa and how deep inside Will does have feelings
Samantha-J wrote: "I think it was a case of selfishness for both of them. Will never realized that Jem wanted more (love) not just the ability to live and Jem never thought about how Will would feel if he proposed t..."It was different with Will. He was too busy closing himself out of everyone, to make everyone hates him. He didn't even let Jem get him. It was not possible for him to understand Jem's feeling.
Jem on the other hand, was someone described as a kind, caring, polite... blah blah blah *snooring*. He was supposed to realise more. He didn't have to know what Will was feeling (although, based on his 'perfect' description, he should), but he at least should understand what Tessa was feeling during the proposal moment. He didn't. He didn't even give Tessa a chance to say what was in her mind. He kept interrupting her.
Samantha-J wrote: "I think it was a case of selfishness for both of them. Will never realized that Jem wanted more (love) not just the ability to live and Jem never thought about how Will would feel if he proposed t..."thats a good way of looking at that!
"Jem is my greatest sin"? I believe is the line? In CP Will explains that he chose the risk to let Jem somewhat in and he let himself love Jem (when he was on the whole I'm cursed belief he claimed that maybe because Jem was so close to death that the curse allowed him to at least love someone already dying). Will always busied himself with gaining yin fen and making sure his parabatai was well and alive. He made it his priority to make Jem alive not to make sure Jem was happy. When Jem went on his "rage-quit" it was because he felt like at times he didn't know Will at all. Will always threw him off course and Jem would sometimes blow up in frustration. Being in pain all the time takes a heavy toll on your view of life. He found that Tessa loved him back and as he gets older the pain becomes more and more unbearable. It's like those movies where the person is dying in someone's arms that someone who's clutching on to the dying person pleading for them to hold on suddenly shuts up because the dying person has something to say and isn't sure how much time he/she has left. Being nervous as hell, Jem proposed like he did maybe because he knows time is something unpredictable and of course that he's Jem and what he was feeling was true and it needed to come out.
Samantha-J wrote: "He made it his priority to make Jem alive not to make sure Jem was ..."When Tessa said that she loved Jem, That was the end of the convo between Will and Tessa. If Will only cared about Jem being alive, and not him being happy, he would not care about the engagement and would make Tessa leave Jem. As much as lies shown by Will for others to hate him, he is naturally a good young man.
Samantha-J wrote: "He found that Tessa loved him back and as he gets older the pain becomes more and more unbearable. "
He was not sure if Tessa loved him back. He wouldn't keep interrupting Tessa answering him if he was so sure about that. And he did think about his pain, his dying period, while proposing, not because of he cared about Tessa. It was about him. About a selfish Jem, when the necessity of his feeling to be out right away, he cared only about that.
Well... at least he was not a boring and annoyingly perfect Jem anymore.
Will didn't know about the proposal until Tessa told him soon after and when he did learn he suddenly realized it all. He suddenly realized Jem wanted to be happy. Of course Will is naturally a good heart and knew from then on anything that he did would affect all of them. Deciding to let Tessa go with the proposal hurt him and Tessa but not as much as it would to convince Tessa to ditch Jem in then making Tessa and himself guilty and Jem torn and more tortured. Whatever was going through his mind during his proposal is something that is hard to decipher obviously from his circumstances. Being someone who was supposed to dead and continues to suffer everyday he breathes what is he supposed to do? Give up and leave this world when the people who cared for him told him not to? Or live his life to the fullest degree even if there are still consequences?
Samantha-J wrote: "..He suddenly realized Jem wanted to be happy. ..."Errr...How did you know that? Anything he said? Well... at least we both know that Will is not what he pretended to be all the time.
Samantha-J wrote: "Whatever was going through his mind during his proposal is something that is hard to decipher obviously from his circumstances..."
The reasons behind Jem's proposal and the way he delivered it shows us that he was somehow not a perfect nice........ , but selfish and ignorant too, no matter what has been swirling in his mind. He thought not of the person he loved more as what was supposed to have been done by some caring person. No... he thought more of himself. Tessa could not even get the chance to say No. Jem kept her interrupted.
Jem might get his life to the fullest degree with Tessa accepting his proposal, but as much consequences he might face later on, he did not know that he will face more... that his fiancee is so in love with his best friend, and they were both in pain now to keep his life full. Jem was ignorant enough to know that during his proposal. The truth is somehow a mind blowing for him. A painful payback to his selfish and ignorant self.
Mariam wrote: "I hope these are not hater comments guys! "I think I might have missed reading the part when Will suddenly realised that Jem needs to be happy too, only after Tessa informed him about the engagement.
Will might be a total jerk (isn't he an extremely good actor?) but he did care for Jem. He tried not to, and didn't even let Jem get him, as much as he could.
Know what? There's always a background on characters no matter how unappealing or mean that they are portrayed. There's always reason to why the author made that person be and if not then theyre not that good of an author! We've all got our virtues and vices, don't we now? Whatever true reasons there is as to why Jem did I wish Cassie would explain when she has the time. Alas anyways who has seen the latest snippet that brings light to the more evolving idea that Jem will die? It was posted like today or yesterday...
Mariam wrote: "OH! See I thought in your last comment you meant Jem was wrong or something. But Yeah even Will is a jerk sometimes(like Jace)he deserves to be happy "
Hahaha.... Don't worry, I get that sometimes, not from Will's fans though. I love Will so much, but I don't usually go with my emotion more than what I read.
I wonder why saying that Jem was selfish and ignorant with his proposal gets the idea that I hate Jem. Ohhh yes I hate reading about the perfect Jem. Him being nice, polite, kind is so bland. Those qualities make him a character so annoyingly boring. Jem being selfish and ignorant had made him much real character now.
Will was a jerk, for he acted as one... ;)
I like the politeness and niceness well just cause those qualities in guys of the real world well are...sparse. God, I love Cassie she just answered a twitter question regarding Tessa and her view of the proposal and her answer was outright hilarious.
Samantha-J wrote: "...Alas anyways who has seen the latest snippet that brings light to the more evolving idea that Jem will die? It was posted like today or yesterday..."I read somewhere that someone will die in Clockwork Princess. The snippet has indeed intensified the awful feeling. Maybe I am a bit different in taking the snippet. I thought that CC will not kill Jem, for the snippet will be too obvious.
And if Jem is to die, what about Bro Zach? Jem is by far the most suitable person to be Bro Zach.... with him loving 2 persons only. Jem needs to live, for Will and Tessa to be together, having children, continuing the Herondale's bloodline to Jace... ;)
Brother Zachariah...WHO THE HELL IS HE?!?! I swear I mean yes I know who he is but still he's a confusing character. Cassie mentioned before that TID and TMI are not supposed to be affecting each other but yet there are still ties. If only Bro Zach had his description maybe Asian would clear it up? Whoever he is. About that continuing the Herondale blood line....there's too many questions that must be answered in CP2!
This one is good....From Cassandra Clare's Twitter account
Clockwork Prince questions and answers
SPOILERS FOR CP.
“RT@cassieclare ”Tessa do you regret accepting Jem’s proposal?” No more than I would regret not having accepted it.” WHAT?”
Hee. I just did a character Q&A on Twitter.
I had a feeling that was going to be a divisive one. No, Tessa is not saying “I regret nothing, everything is perfect, I cannot wait to get married.” On the other hand, she is not saying “Yes, I regret it”, either. She loves Will; she loves Jem; she knows this whole situation is visiting a terrific horror on Will and also, really, though he does not know it, on Jem, too. And on her. But there is also nothing to be done to fix it. One can regret that the universe has visited great fuckery upon oneself and one’s loved ones without a dilution of love.
This one too....Arrrgghhhh..... I need my Clockwork Princess and City of Heavenly Fire now!!!!!
The Dark Artifices (latest version, includes info from the Q & A)
catreadsbooks:
Emma Carstairs
main character in TDA
her parents are both American
is an orphan, her parents died in 2007 (The Mortal Instruments timeline; scroll down the page to The Dark Artifices)
Julian’s parabatai
has been friends with Julian since they were five years old
Emma and Julian “are bonded together in part by the traumatic events of […] City of Heavenly Fire”
11 or 12 years old in CoLS/teen in TDA
is blonde
has blue eyes
for a full description of Emma’s appearance click here
likes to fight and train and kill things (it’s her passion)
“has met some Shadowhunters from NYC who fought in the Mortal War”
wants to be ‘as badass “as Jace Lightwood”’
is “as sarcastic and arrogant as Jace” and “a bad girl”
is “the fiercest warrior and most skilled young Shadowhunter since Jace Wayland” -> she doesn’t have special Shadowhunter powers, she just works every hard
weapons: the repeating crossbow, wind-and-fire wheels
“probably more technically skilled than Izzy”
has feelings for Julian
Julian Blackthorn
main character in TDA
one parent is American, the other is British
Emma’s parabatai
has been friends with Emma since they were five years old
Julian and Emma “are bonded together in part by the traumatic events of […] City of Heavenly Fire”.
12 years old in CoLS, 17 in TDA
has brown hair
Cassie imagines Julian as really lanky and fine-featured
Cassie is “thinking of Julian as dark-haired, a little vulnerable, a painter, someone who wears all black, bites his nails and is likely to pull his sleeves down over his hands.”
“is really tall and thin”
“has brown hair and blue-green eyes”
for a full description of Julian’s appearance click here
Julian’s favourite sibling is Tiberius, he calls him “Ty”
“is allergic to compound fruit”
is very different to Will and Jace
“Jules is thoughtful and stubborn, perfectly confident but not someone who opens up to a lot of people. . He has a huge responsibility that sits on his shoulders and to which he is beholden and that makes him very different than both Will and Jace. He is funny, but not like Will or Jace are funny”
Julian is also sweet
Julian is sexier than all the other Shadowhunter boys. He’ll be a sex-god->”Julian is sexy […] but not in the same way Will or Jace or Jem is”
weapons: throwing knives, seraph blades
Yeah I just don't want Bro Zach to be either of them I want him to be someone else. I like the idea of him being Stephen.
Yeah that's the Q&A I was mentioning with the fuckery part lol. Yeah that snippet was heart wrenching with Woolsey being so blunt.
Has anyone here bought the Clockwork Angel anime? Is it good?
Nope. My mum probably think its a waste of money to buy the book in picture form. It's on my Christmas wish list though teehee. It seems good...so does the anthology.
I think the only way Tessa and Will will get together is if Jem gives them his blessing and figures it out on his own. I don't think Will is going to tell Jem, or Tessa, but I think Jem won't be so blind in CP2 and will see for himself. I mean geeze, everyone else knows: Cecily, Sophie, Jessamine, Woolsey, Magnus. Get with the program, Jem! The truth is pretty damn obvious. But yeah. I think Jem will figure it out. He noticed Will showing interest in Tessa in CA. I'm not sure how much more he can miss.
Samantha-J wrote: "Nope. My mum probably think its a waste of money to buy the book in picture form. It's on my Christmas wish list though teehee. It seems good...so does the anthology."Your mom is being practical. I would.
I think I will buy the book, if I get good recommendation for it... ;)
Definitely a silent brother. In fact, I think he's the one who takes a personal interest in helping Jace in MI5.
Rose wrote: "I think the only way Tessa and Will will get together is if Jem gives them his blessing and figures it out on his own. I don't think Will is going to tell Jem, or Tessa, but I think Jem won't be so blind in CP2 and will see for himself. I mean geeze, everyone else knows: Cecily, Sophie, Jessamine, Woolsey, Magnus. Get with the program, Jem! The truth is pretty damn obvious. "Jem might catch Will and Tessa kissing, passionately (for they have terribly missed each other so much). That will be a shocking blow to Jem's poor heart.
Any other idea?
jem will probably die. and will and tessa will get together.
I think it might be as simple as a look. It's often the easiest to read love just by how someone looks at someone, you know? I know the wedding gets ruined, or something happens, but maybe Tessa is walking down the aisle, Jem flashes a look at Will, and then sees Will's broken face.Then something bad happens and the wedding gets crashed. lmao
I don't know. I don't think it will be Jem catching them kissing though. I suspect it will be him watching the two of them and putting it together.
Rose wrote: "I think it might be as simple as a look. It's often the easiest to read love just by how someone looks at someone, you know? I know the wedding gets ruined, or something happens, but maybe Tessa is..."I was being mean. And I want Jem to get a payback to his selfish and ignorant proposing act.
I think Will and Tessa would not go that far. Tessa might, because she was all fire every time Will is nearby, but Will... even though he is in such a terrible agony, has always been the one who can wear such a mask on his face. He might die every day watching Tessa with Jem, but he will not intentionally hurt Jem.
Jem will know about it, before the marriage takes place.
From all the snippets it seems like someone will die, a bride's wedding has been ruined, someone and someone get in a particular love scene, relationships will be tested, and Woolsey becomes a momentary arse.
I am praying that even if Tessa ends up with Will. Jem finds a way to survive and finds someone for him
Jem will survive it will get more excited with him living and the love triangle between jem and tessa and will i <3 that series its better the the TMI <3 it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<3
I just have a quick question. I don't know how this would happen... but if they've been BFFs since five, how could they only NOW be falling in love. It should hjave happened earlier.
This has nothing remotely to do with anything. LOL. just a question
Miss_holly wrote: "I don't know how this would happen... but if they've been BFFs since five, how could they only NOW be falling in love. It should hjave happened earlier."Who? Emma & Julian? Maybe because they were too small to fall in love when they were 5?
They have very strict training, those young shadowhunters. They spend their days training and learning. They may know each other more now. Also... 16 and 17 are the age when teenagers are to blossom (random pick for this one... hahahaha)
We haven't got many snippets or extras about their relationships. Who know that they had crush upon each other years ago.... ;)
Nurlely wrote: "Miss_holly wrote: "I don't know how this would happen... but if they've been BFFs since five, how could they only NOW be falling in love. It should hjave happened earlier."Who? Emma & Julian? May..."
True true I never thought of that. it just seemed strange that they are only now discovering their feelings
maybe he becomes the silent brother that was close to the Herondales. brother Zachariah?? his last chat with Clary showed some clues. but dang. i hope not. :(
Ya jem isn't going to die. Cassie's making a new book about Emma CARSTAIRS so.....
im so sad because I do think Jem is gonna die... but I love Tessa and Jem together... so sad
well jem did have kids since the next series is about Emma Carstairs
If Jem died than it wouldn't be a good ending to a good series. But u never know what Cassandra Clare would do. Jem might have siblings he never knew of and that's y the main character in the next book has his last name.
But I don't want Jem to die tho
If CC spent all this time preparing me for Jem's inevitable death and then has him miraculously cured, I'm gonna chuck the book across the room. I can see Will bargaining to save Jem at the last minute, Jem becoming a silent brother, Henry and Charlotte dying just after little Osbert is born, and Tessa and Will adopting the orphan. Carstairs, Silent brother, Will and Tessa all in a bow.
It's possible it's just me who thinks this, though. I can't stand when authors (*coughStephenieMeyercough*) spend hundreds of pages warning us about something, then don't come through with it. "My bad" doesn't work for me.
I like your ending will and Tessa adopting the baby but how does Henry and Charlotte die tho
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