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Osborne, Maggie : Silver Lining "Buddy Read" - Dec. 8, 2011
Lisa Kay’s Questions for Prologue – Chapter 3 1. Have you ever read any of Maggie Osborne’s books before? How do you like her less than perfect heroines? What about westerns as a subgenre of romance? Have you read many? If so, who are your favorite authors?
2. What did you think of Low Down’s method of “sweet talking” to motivate her patients into rallying? (BTW, ugh. Who gives fish stew to someone who is tossing their biscuits? LOL!)
3. We don’t know Low Down’s history yet, but I’m willing to bet it is a sad one. I’m under the impression that she has nothing. Given this, is her yearning for a family and someone to love not only understandable, but believable, despite being impractical, or less than sane? (BTW, I got a kick out the fact that Low Down was looking at Max McCord when her “fondest wish” came to her.)
4. I must admit that when I read reviews that Max was already promised to Philadelphia yet made to be part of the “lucky twenty-four,” I was a little skeptical about the storyline. Nevertheless, the way Ms. Osborne writes the scene and sets it up in escalating stages worked for me. You? At first he was just going to join the group that was willing to “poke” her, and I could understand to a certain extent about of saving face, when push came to shove, mingled with hope against the odds ー and then Preacher Jellison insisted on marriage, of course.
5. Are you like me and feeling for both these characters already? They are in an impossible situation. I felt for Low Down when she was not “duded up” like the rest of the town and when the men all balked; but, it was excruciating the next morning when she was at the riverbed and Max was talking to her – then he turned down her dinner invitation! She may have a generous heart, but she has pride too.
6. Bookquote: “Had he troubled himself to inquire if she had someplace she would rather go, like south? No, he had not. . . If she wanted a baby, she had to follow where her husband’s privates went…” I love the way Ms. Osborne writes Low Down’s thoughts. As frustrating as the set-up of their situation is to me, these wry notes of insightful humor are softening me up. How about you?
7. What did you think about the “treasures” the men left outside Low Down’s tent? Her gratitude for them?
8. There are many things that endear me to Low Down, but I have to say when she was thrilled at being considered a temptress, that was an ice cream sundae topper. Did she work her magic on you? If so, when and how?
Lisa Kay’s Questions for Chapter 4 – 6
9. How do you feel about Low Down and Max’s marriage now that you know he was intimate with Philadelphia before he left? And just why did he feel the need to go to Piney Creek anyway? There has got to be more to that story.
10. “You built her a house knowing she wouldn’t like it?” Low Down asks. What does this say about the lines of communication between his former fiancée and Max? About their relationship in general?
11. What do you think of all of Low Down’s proverbs? Are you enjoying them or are they getting on your last nerve? Do you have any favorites yet?
12. We finally hear Low Down’s story. Comments.
13. “The man was togged out like a general in a foreign army, and all he did was stand in the awning’s shade and open the door? He looked like he ought to be deciding who would live and who would die.” I thought Low Down’s internal commentary on the doorman’s uniform was spot on and something I’ve never thought of before.
14. Along the lines of the Pygmalion Theme, so many romance books have the hero buying the heroine a whole new wardrobe to complete the make-over. In this story, Low Down goes to the second-hand story and purchases her own wardrobe (despite Max's objections); it is still a step up for her. Is there any significance here?
15. Comments on the “poking” scene? How funny was it that he woke her up to ask her real name.
16. Louise takes pleasure in the simple things in life. Do you ever feel you are too materialistic (I won’t even get into the reliance on technology!)?
17. What did you think of Max’s family? Do you think Max’s family will accept Louise right away?
18. How about Livvy McCord’s suggestion that they pursue a divorce? How surprised was Max?
19. One thing that kind of bothers me a tiny bit is that Louise wants her own baby and is not open to adoption. On some level I totally understand it; on another, considering her own experience with the Orphan Train, I find this sad. Comments.
20. How do you feel about kids in romance books – some people don’t like them there; but, isn’t Sunshine just too adorable?
Sandy’s Questions for Chapters 7 -9
21. Why do you think Max keeps the marble in his pocket?
22. Was anyone surprised Philadelphia is pregnant? What did you think about Livvy's solution to the problem?
23. Did your opinion of Philadelphia change or did you feel less sorry for her once you learned she is a master of manipulation? She slept with Max to try to keep him from going to Piney Creek, and she has taught herself to cry at will to get what she wants. I am thinking she isn't a person of great character, and I am wondering if she will somehow try to get back with Max or at least try to seduce him.
24. Max realizes the house lacks quarters for a maid and a cook. Further proof that he and Philadelphia didn't have a deep relationship in the first place? Do you think Philadelphia really loved Max or was she just trying to get a household/family of her own, or maybe to get away from her father?
25. I understand Livvy a little bit better learning the story of her past with Jason. Comments?
26. "She couldn't decide whether to curse Preacher Jellison for turning her life upside down or to bless him for giving her a taste of a life she would never have experienced otherwise." Why do you suppose Louise believes she never would have married some day?
Sandy’s Questions for Chapters 10 – 12 27. Louise is really at home hanging out with the cowboys, wearing trousers, and rounding up cattle. Do you think eventually Max would allow her to do all these things habitually? Must be really hard for her to act like a "lady" when it's not at all the life she is used to.
28. I like how Gilly and Livvy are warming up to Louise. The scene where they make fun of the snotty woman was funny, especially when Livvy jumped in on the action. I wonder how Livvy will navigate her relationships between her two new (and very, very different) daughters-in-law.
29. OK, I have a theory (and, Lisa Kay, you know how I love a good far-fetched theory!) I think Philadelphia may be carrying someone else's child. Gilly tells Louise how Philadelphia had to play hostess to her father's business contacts, even going to a picnic on the 4th of July. I think there is something rotten in the town of Fort Houser. OK, it is far-fetched but it's fun to speculate!
30. Did you expect Philadelphia to be so vicious and cruel to Louise? Louise expected her to act like a lady, which she certainly didn't (further making me think she got in a family way with someone else).
31. After Philadelphia chews up Louise and spits her out, Louise asks Max if he is OK. He doesn't even think to ask her how she's doing. Men!
32. Any speculation on how things will progress? Will Philly carry to term? Will Louise get pregnant? Will Max give into temptation from Philly? Willy Livvy hook up with Mr. Houser?
33. I liked the scene where Louise is taking stock of the house, the laundry, the baking and realizing it is hers, even if only temporarily. I hope we get more of her backstory. There had to be some good people in her life at one point, right?
Lisa Kay’s Questions for Chapters 13 – 21 34. We’ve been let in to villainess’ internal thoughts before, usually in mysteries and suspense. Not so much in historical romances, though. But we are allowed access to Philadelphia’s private thoughts quite a bit. Did this work for you? Where you surprised she would rather have had Max died of the pox? That she wasn’t sleeping with Wally and had no plans of “sleeping with any man, ever”? She considers Louise immoral, yet we now know the truth of her own duplicity. Do you think there was a part of her that didn’t want to admit her own sins? Livvy basically asks her to “rise above these feelings.” Is this part of seeing the silver lining in a bad situation?
35. Was the sexual chemistry at the right level for you in this book? Too much, or not enough love making scenes? Did Ms. Osborne manage to make them sizzle? Do you read books with varying levels?
36. What did you think of the “darlin’” conversation?
37. Ever so slowly Max begins to take the measure of his former fiancée. Was this slow realization more realistic? Nicer that he recognized he loved Louise b/f the Big Reveal? I began to see him in a different light as he acknowledged his faults and failures. You?
38. Louise tells Sunshine that the silver spoon reminds her she did “one good thing.” I find it interesting this she sees assisting with the pox as her crowing achievement. I was so glad Max overheard that conversation. You? Then Sunshine saying, with regards to self-centeredness, “That’s not Aunt Louise, that’s Aunt Philadelphia.” Out of the mouths of babes.
39. What did you think about the arm splinting scene? Is it conceivable that Louise would step up to the plate? That Gilly would faint? Did you laugh over the frequent phase, “Excuse me, Sunshine…”?
40. Are respect and admiration part of love? Can you have love without them?
41. I don’t know why, but Philadelphia’s reaction to the baby’s cradle surprised even me. Wow. You?
42. Where you surprised that Louise didn’t want the baby shown to Max? That Livvy insisted? Which stance would you have taken?
43. Were you surprised that Max confronted Philadelphia in her room after the loss of the baby? Yet he didn’t say much. Was that just because she was beyond reach?
44. Did Mr. Houser make it up to Max and Louise?
45. I really feel sorry for Wally in this story. Were you surprised he was the one that revealed Louise’s history to Philadelphia? That he apologized? By the end of the story, do you think his marriage has a chance of success? At least he has his work where he seems happy, right? Is he just going to thrown himself into it the rest of his life? Do you seem him and Philadelphia working it out or him eventually taking a mistress?
46. Did you like that Max had to chase after Louise? Or was that too cliché, just right, or delicious anyway? Will this book remain on your keeper shelf? Will you recommend it? Will you read more of this author?
Random: Ohhh! I love your star divider, Lisa Kay. Permission to steal?
LOL! Permission granted. I think I saw it somewhere on GoodReads. ☺
*walking away* cant..add..more..books..help!!
Lisa Kay, would 30 - 40 pages a day be ok with you?I can go through tonight and divide/list the chapters.
I bought it on Kindle for PC, Sandy. It is hard for me to see how long 30 - 40 pages would be. There is a prologue and 21 chapters. If I remember correctly, Ms. Osborne doesn't keep her chapters all equal... So, let me know.
OK, I'll figure something out.
Great, Sandy, I'm going to "guess-ta'mate" and start reading the prologue & first two (maybe three) chapters. I'll see how it "feels."
Lisa Kay’s Questions for Prologue – Chapter 3 1. Have you ever read any of Maggie Osborne’s books before? How do you like her less than perfect heroines? What about westerns as a subgenre of romance? Have you read many? If so, who are your favorite authors?
2. What did you think of Low Down’s method of “sweet talking” to motivate her patients into rallying? (BTW, ugh. Who gives fish stew to someone who is tossing their biscuits? LOL!)
3. We don’t know Low Down’s history yet, but I’m willing to bet it is a sad one. I’m under the impression that she has nothing. Given this, is her yearning for a family and someone to love not only understandable, but believable, despite being impractical, or less than sane? (BTW, I got a kick out the fact that Low Down was looking at Max McCord when her “fondest wish” came to her.)
4. I must admit that when I read reviews that Max was already promised to Philadelphia yet made to be part of the “lucky twenty-four,” I was a little skeptical about the storyline. Nevertheless, the way Ms. Osborne writes the scene and sets it up in escalating stages worked for me. You? At first he was just going to join the group that was willing to “poke” her, and I could understand to a certain extent about of saving face, when push came to shove, mingled with hope against the odds ー and then Preacher Jellison insisted on marriage, of course.
5. Are you like me and feeling for both these characters already? They are in an impossible situation. I felt for Low Down when she was not “duded up” like the rest of the town and when the men all balked; but, it was excruciating the next morning when she was at the riverbed and Max was talking to her – then he turned down her dinner invitation! She may have a generous heart, but she has pride too.
6. Bookquote: “Had he troubled himself to inquire if she had someplace she would rather go, like south? No, he had not. . . If she wanted a baby, she had to follow where her husband’s privates went…” I love the way Ms. Osborne writes Low Down’s thoughts. As frustrating as the set-up of their situation is to me, these wry notes of insightful humor are softening me up. How about you?
7. What did you think about the “treasures” the men left outside Low Down’s tent? Her gratitude for them?
8. There are many things that endear me to Low Down, but I have to say when she was thrilled at being considered a temptress, that was an ice cream sundae topper. Did she work her magic on you? If so, when and how?
I hope this isn't too much reading, Sandy. I was enjoying the story and just went for it. I'm having trouble NOT going back to it, but I'll be good and go grocery shopping – since my cupboards are bare.
I've already read this but I'll join in the Q&As ☺
. Have you ever read any of Maggie Osborne’s books before? How do you like her less than perfect heroines? What about westerns as a subgenre of romance? Have you read many? If so, who are your favorite authors? This was my first by Maggie Osborne and I fell in love with it. I like some westerns but normally prefer other genres. Some I’ve liked are Johanna Lindsey, Linda Jones, Catherine Anderson and Jodi Thomas.
2. What did you think of Low Down’s method of “sweet talking” to motivate her patients into rallying? (BTW, ugh. Who gives fish stew to someone who is tossing their biscuits? LOL!)
LOL, she was a hoot. I loved her. She knew what it would take to get them to fight for their lives and she did it.
3. We don’t know Low Down’s history yet, but I’m willing to bet it is a sad one. I’m under the impression that she has nothing. Given this, is her yearning for a family and someone to love not only understandable, but believable, despite being impractical, or less than sane? (BTW, I got a kick out the fact that Low Down was looking at Max McCord when her “fondest wish” came to her.)
Being a woman I can understand her desire for a baby. But obviously, for the times and the situation it was definitely impractical.
4. I must admit that when I read reviews that Max was already promised to Philadelphia yet made to be part of the “lucky twenty-four,” I was a little skeptical about the storyline. Nevertheless, the way Ms. Osborne writes the scene and sets it up in escalating stages worked for me. You? At first he was just going to join the group that was willing to “poke” her, and I could understand to a certain extent about of saving face, when push came to shove, mingled with hope against the odds ー and then Preacher Jellison insisted on marriage, of course.
I hated that Max was an engaged man but for the story I guess the author did what she had to do to put a nice twist on the story.
5. Are you like me and feeling for both these characters already? They are in an impossible situation. I felt for Low Down when she was not “duded up” like the rest of the town and when the men all balked; but, it was excruciating the next morning when she was at the riverbed and Max was talking to her – then he turned down her dinner invitation! She may have a generous heart, but she has pride too.
I actually didn’t like Max at first. He grew on me.
6. Bookquote: “Had he troubled himself to inquire if she had someplace she would rather go, like south? No, he had not. . . If she wanted a baby, she had to follow where her husband’s privates went…” I love the way Ms. Osborne writes Low Down’s thoughts. As frustrating as the set-up of their situation is to me, these wry notes of insightful humor are softening me up. How about you?
Loved it.
7. What did you think about the “treasures” the men left outside Low Down’s tent? Her gratitude for them?
It was very sweet of the guys. Even if no one really wanted to poke her at least they felt some kind of gratitude for all her hard work and caring.
8. There are many things that endear me to Low Down, but I have to say when she was thrilled at being considered a temptress, that was an ice cream sundae topper. Did she work her magic on you? If so, when and how?
I fell in love on page one. And each page after made me want to jump in and give her a hug.
Lisa Kay wrote: "I hope this isn't too much reading, Sandy. I was enjoying the story and just went for it. I'm having trouble NOT going back to it, but I'll be good and go grocery shopping – since my cupboards ar..."No problem Lisa Kay. I had a busy evening so I'm starting right now.
@ Pamela#1 – Some of my favs too, though I don’t know Linda Jones; I’ll have to check her out. Just recently discovered Kaki Warner who wrote one of my year’s favorites:
and Sans and are going to give her another try. I got a rec for
, by Connie Brockway from someone who has very similar tastes as I, so I’ll give that a try also. I didn’t even know CB did western romances.#2 – She did! She knew exactly which buttons to push, LOL! Talk about an “individualized plan of care” (as we say in nursing) – ha!
#3 – I totally sympathize with her.
#4 – Yes, I liked that the preacher came to him as say they had acted too hastily. Duh! Do you think? Did particularly agree with everything he said b/c it was his doing.
#5 – I didn’t think I was going to like him, but I actually feel sorry for him. He is a bit shell-shocked and he had such plans.
#6 – I know! There is something on almost every page that I want to make note of.
#7 – It was sweet. And I was glad that one of the guys said she was like a sister to them instead of just that they found her unattractive.
#8 – Oh, yes! BIG HUG.
Can I join in this buddy read as well? I saw the thread and the blurb and I wanna read the book! I should be able to get the book tonight/tomorrow morning..
The more the merrier! :-)
Lisa Kay’s Questions for Prologue – Chapter 31. Have you ever read any of Maggie Osborne’s books before? How do you like her less than perfect heroines? What about westerns as a subgenre of romance? Have you read many? If so, who are your favorite authors?
I had never even heard of her! I really like Low Down so far. The only western I can recall reading was by Linda Lael Miller. It was ok but not that memorable.
2. What did you think of Low Down’s method of “sweet talking” to motivate her patients into rallying? (BTW, ugh. Who gives fish stew to someone who is tossing their biscuits? LOL!)
I thought it was very clever of her to find something to motivate them to hang on. The fact that she helped them at all says a lot about her character. (Fish stew...ugh!)
3. We don’t know Low Down’s history yet, but I’m willing to bet it is a sad one. I’m under the impression that she has nothing. Given this, is her yearning for a family and someone to love not only understandable, but believable, despite being impractical, or less than sane? (BTW, I got a kick out the fact that Low Down was looking at Max McCord when her “fondest wish” came to her.)
I am dying to know her history, especially how she got her name.We know she is kind, caring, compassionate and nurturing...she had to learn this somewhere. She would make a great mom!
4. I must admit that when I read reviews that Max was already promised to Philadelphia yet made to be part of the “lucky twenty-four,” I was a little skeptical about the storyline. Nevertheless, the way Ms. Osborne writes the scene and sets it up in escalating stages worked for me. You? At first he was just going to join the group that was willing to “poke” her, and I could understand to a certain extent about of saving face, when push came to shove, mingled with hope against the odds ー and then Preacher Jellison insisted on marriage, of course.
I have to admit that I had to overcome my opinion that the entire premise is ridiculous. I actually think Max shouldn't have had to be part of the drawing...and Low Down shouldn't have let him knowing how he felt about Philadelphia. Really, I think the fact they had to get married was preposterous. But, I have to overlook this in order to enjoy the story.
I also think if all she wants is a baby, she is in a mining town with lots of men who I'm sure would be willing to help her out (if she cleans herself up a little and gives them a shot of whiskey). But, again, I need to forget about my speculations and just keep reading....
5. Are you like me and feeling for both these characters already? They are in an impossible situation. I felt for Low Down when she was not “duded up” like the rest of the town and when the men all balked; but, it was excruciating the next morning when she was at the riverbed and Max was talking to her – then he turned down her dinner invitation! She may have a generous heart, but she has pride too.
I do feel sorry for them both, but I do want to know more about what brought Low Down to the mining town in the first place. A woman alone in that position in the 1800s couldn't have been a common thing (I don't think so anyway...I'm not an expert on the times). I get the feeling she will clean up nicely and may be a beauty.
6. Bookquote: “Had he troubled himself to inquire if she had someplace she would rather go, like south? No, he had not. . . If she wanted a baby, she had to follow where her husband’s privates went…” I love the way Ms. Osborne writes Low Down’s thoughts. As frustrating as the set-up of their situation is to me, these wry notes of insightful humor are softening me up. How about you?
I completely agree. The writing is very good.
7. What did you think about the “treasures” the men left outside Low Down’s tent? Her gratitude for them?
Very touching, and I loved how she was so grateful but aware that personal thanks would just make the men embarrassed.
8. There are many things that endear me to Low Down, but I have to say when she was thrilled at being considered a temptress, that was an ice cream sundae topper. Did she work her magic on you? If so, when and how?
One thing I can think of is that when Max suggests his sister and mother can teach her how to do "womanly" chores, she at first thinks she can handle it herself. Then, she admits that yes, she could probably use a little coaching. I really like this woman! Do we know how old she is?
FYI, Prologue - Chapter 3 took us to page 50. Lisa Kay the next 3 chapters (4, 5, 6) will take us to about page 102 on hard copy. I won't be able to read until this evening. I'm happy to write questions then, but if someone else wants to please feel free! :-)
Vi wrote: "Can I join in this buddy read as well? I saw the thread and the blurb and I wanna read the book! I should be able to get the book tonight/tomorrow morning.."Sure, Vi! Wonderful. ☺
@ Sandy#1 – Now I wonder if it was an early LLM or one of her later ones. I like her earlier work. It is my understanding, and I could be wrong, but now she has a “writing assistant” that expands on her ideas.
#2 – I thought it was funny that she knew what to say to whom, LOL! I like fish, but NOT when I’m sick.
#3 – Yes, she is definitely all those things – and you are so right. She would make a great mom.
#4 – Good point about Low Down knowing his feelings about Philadelphia, I hadn’t thought too much on that. The things we romance readers have to overlook in order to enjoy a story.
#5 – No, it wasn’t a common thing, but it did occur.
#6 – ☺
#7 – I imagine, for the most part, most of they were shy and loner.
#8 – I like the way she thinks too. Don’t know her age yet. Well, I do, b/c I read today’s reading…(view spoiler)
Sandy wrote: "FYI, Prologue - Chapter 3 took us to page 50. Lisa Kay the next 3 chapters (4, 5, 6) will take us to about page 102 on hard copy. I won't be able to read until this evening. I'm happy to write ques..."I may get to them later, Sandy. I have to check in on another "buddy read" where the leader lost internet access. I don't mind and I know you will be freer over the week-end.
@Lisa Kay#8 - Oh my, she is a spinster! :-)
(I'm also reading Married By Morning right now about Catherine the Spinster in her 20s. LOL)
Lisa Kay, I don't know how you keep up with all your buddy reads...you are a reading machine! :-)
LOL! I know, Sandy. They married young back then.I just started
on audio and plan to listen to the Hathaways next, starting with
. Goodness, I love the cover on that last book.
Lisa Kleypas' historicals are so good!Can you think of anyone else that compares?
(I consider myself a romance "newbie")
Nope. Kleypas is Queen, IMHO. Though some of her earlier work is not as good as her later work. It was so fun to watch her develop into this powerhouse. I can remember standing in a bookstore and looking at one of her books and wondering if I should buy it. I had been reading her when I had no other author to go to for new reading material. Yet I could see the steady, determine improvement. Then POW! She got her men characters down - and her women.
Yes! The characters are great and the dialogue sparkles. They are such page-turners. I hate to put them down when the bus reaches downtown and I sadly have to go to work.... :-)
Lisa Kay’s Questions for Chapter 4 – 6 9. How do you feel about Low Down and Max’s marriage now that you know he was intimate with Philadelphia before he left? And just why did he feel the need to go to Piney Creek anyway? There has got to be more to that story.
10. “You built her a house knowing she wouldn’t like it?” Low Down asks. What does this say about the lines of communication between his former fiancée and Max? About their relationship in general?
11. What do you think of all of Low Down’s proverbs? Are you enjoying them or are they getting on your last nerve? Do you have any favorites yet?
12. We finally hear Low Down’s story. Comments.
13. “The man was togged out like a general in a foreign army, and all he did was stand in the awning’s shade and open the door? He looked like he ought to be deciding who would live and who would die.” I thought Low Down’s internal commentary on the doorman’s uniform was spot on and something I’ve never thought of before.
14. Along the lines of the Pygmalion Theme, so many romance books have the hero buying the heroine a whole new wardrobe to complete the make-over. In this story, Low Down goes to the second-hand story and purchases her own wardrobe (despite Max's objections); it is still a step up for her. Is there any significance here?
15. Comments on the “poking” scene? How funny was it that he woke her up to ask her real name.
16. Louise takes pleasure in the simple things in life. Do you ever feel you are too materialistic (I won’t even get into the reliance on technology!)?
17. What did you think of Max’s family? Do you think Max’s family will accept Louise right away?
18. How about Livvy McCord’s suggestion that they pursue a divorce? How surprised was Max?
19. One thing that kind of bothers me a tiny bit is that Louise wants her own baby and is not open to adoption. On some level I totally understand it; on another, considering her own experience with the Orphan Train, I find this sad. Comments.
20. How do you feel about kids in romance books – some people don’t like them there; but, isn’t Sunshine just too adorable?
Lisa Kay’s Questions for Chapter 4 – 69. How do you feel about Low Down and Max’s marriage now that you know he was intimate with Philadelphia before he left? And just why did he feel the need to go to Piney Creek anyway? There has got to be more to that story.
Oh my gosh I was thinking about the same question! Mind meld! I was a little shocked, I admit. Seems to me that Max doesn't have much of a backbone.
10. “You built her a house knowing she wouldn’t like it?” Low Down asks. What does this say about the lines of communication between his former fiancée and Max? About their relationship in general?
From what I can tell/interpret, their relationship was superficial and they didn't know each other very well.
11. What do you think of all of Low Down’s proverbs? Are you enjoying them or are they getting on your last nerve? Do you have any favorites yet?
They aren't getting on my nerves at all. No faves yet though.
12. We finally hear Low Down’s story. Comments. My biggest question is where did she learn to be nurturing, kind and compassionate? We have only heard very negative things about her childhood. She is a survivor. I find it miraculous she has such a kind, strong character.
13. “The man was togged out like a general in a foreign army, and all he did was stand in the awning’s shade and open the door? He looked like he ought to be deciding who would live and who would die.” I thought Low Down’s internal commentary on the doorman’s uniform was spot on and something I’ve never thought of before.
I agree, Lisa Kay. I love her internal dialouge. She is so unworldly. It is nice to explore the world through her child-like eyes.
14. Along the lines of the Pygmalion Theme, so many romance books have the hero buying the heroine a whole new wardrobe to complete the make-over. In this story, Low Down goes to the second-hand story and purchases her own wardrobe (despite Max's objections); it is still a step up for her. Is there any significance here?
I think she has never had much and therefore doesn't expect much. It was very telling when Max thinks about a hat that Philadelphia bought that cost more than all the purchases Low Down made at the secondhand shop. Reminds me of people I know of who lived through the depression and still save their tin foil.
15. Comments on the “poking” scene? How funny was it that he woke her up to ask her real name.
I wish they wouldn't call it poking. I find it a bit endearing that Max wanted to know her real name, and that he held her when she told about her past.
16. Louise takes pleasure in the simple things in life. Do you ever feel you are too materialistic (I won’t even get into the reliance on technology!)? I've been thinking about this a lot lately having just read The Bronze Horseman, which is set in WWII and depicts how so many starved during the siege of Leningrad. I loved how Low Down was so fascinated by a toilet and running water. I really do need to remember to be grateful for all that I have.
17. What did you think of Max’s family? Do you think Max’s family will accept Louise right away? I had mixed feelings. Why the heck does Livvy have so much power over a 32-year-old son? Isn't the son supposed to be head of the household when the father dies? Again, I am starting to think Max doesn't have much of a backbone.
18. How about Livvy McCord’s suggestion that they pursue a divorce? How surprised was Max? I was surprised he told them the whole story. I thought perhaps they'd make something up since the real story was a little strange.
19. One thing that kind of bothers me a tiny bit is that Louise wants her own baby and is not open to adoption. On some level I totally understand it; on another, considering her own experience with the Orphan Train, I find this sad. Comments. That is an excellent point! As an orphan herself, you would think that she would want to make another orphan's life better. Perhaps she will adopt after she experiences her own childbirth.
20. How do you feel about kids in romance books – some people don’t like them there; but, isn’t Sunshine just too adorable?
I think kids provide a really good dimension in romance novels. I loved that Sunshine is, in effect, Louise's ally.
Lisa Kay’s Questions for Chapter 4 – 69. How do you feel about Low Down and Max’s marriage now that you know he was intimate with Philadelphia before he left? And just why did he feel the need to go to Piney Creek anyway? There has got to be more to that story.
Oh my gosh I was thinking about the same question! Mind meld! I was a little shocked, I admit. Seems to me that Max doesn't have much of a backbone.
10. “You built her a house knowing she wouldn’t like it?” Low Down asks. What does this say about the lines of communication between his former fiancée and Max? About their relationship in general?
From what I can tell/interpret, their relationship was superficial and they didn't know each other very well.
11. What do you think of all of Low Down’s proverbs? Are you enjoying them or are they getting on your last nerve? Do you have any favorites yet?
They aren't getting on my nerves at all. No faves yet though.
12. We finally hear Low Down’s story. Comments. My biggest question is where did she learn to be nurturing, kind and compassionate? We have only heard very negative things about her childhood. She is a survivor. I find it miraculous she has such a kind, strong character.
13. “The man was togged out like a general in a foreign army, and all he did was stand in the awning’s shade and open the door? He looked like he ought to be deciding who would live and who would die.” I thought Low Down’s internal commentary on the doorman’s uniform was spot on and something I’ve never thought of before.
I agree, Lisa Kay. I love her internal dialouge. She is so unworldly. It is nice to explore the world through her child-like eyes.
14. Along the lines of the Pygmalion Theme, so many romance books have the hero buying the heroine a whole new wardrobe to complete the make-over. In this story, Low Down goes to the second-hand story and purchases her own wardrobe (despite Max's objections); it is still a step up for her. Is there any significance here?
I think she has never had much and therefore doesn't expect much. It was very telling when Max thinks about a hat that Philadelphia bought that cost more than all the purchases Low Down made at the secondhand shop. Reminds me of people I know of who lived through the depression and still save their tin foil.
15. Comments on the “poking” scene? How funny was it that he woke her up to ask her real name.
I wish they wouldn't call it poking. I find it a bit endearing that Max wanted to know her real name, and that he held her when she told about her past.
16. Louise takes pleasure in the simple things in life. Do you ever feel you are too materialistic (I won’t even get into the reliance on technology!)? I've been thinking about this a lot lately having just read The Bronze Horseman, which is set in WWII and depicts how so many starved during the siege of Leningrad. I loved how Low Down was so fascinated by a toilet and running water. I really do need to remember to be grateful for all that I have.
17. What did you think of Max’s family? Do you think Max’s family will accept Louise right away? I had mixed feelings. Why the heck does Livvy have so much power over a 32-year-old son? Isn't the son supposed to be head of the household when the father dies? Again, I am starting to think Max doesn't have much of a backbone.
18. How about Livvy McCord’s suggestion that they pursue a divorce? How surprised was Max? I was surprised he told them the whole story. I thought perhaps they'd make something up since the real story was a little strange.
19. One thing that kind of bothers me a tiny bit is that Louise wants her own baby and is not open to adoption. On some level I totally understand it; on another, considering her own experience with the Orphan Train, I find this sad. Comments. That is an excellent point! As an orphan herself, you would think that she would want to make another orphan's life better. Perhaps she will adopt after she experiences her own childbirth.
20. How do you feel about kids in romance books – some people don’t like them there; but, isn’t Sunshine just too adorable?
I think kids provide a really good dimension in romance novels. I loved that Sunshine is, in effect, Louise's ally.
Let me know if this works:December 10, Chapters 7,8,9 (pp.103-150)
December 11, Chapters 10,11,12 (pp.151-199)
December 12, Chapters 13,14,15 (pp.200-252)
December 13, Chapters 16,17,18 (pp.251-301)
December 14, Chapters 19,20,21 (pp. 302-344)
9. How do you feel about Low Down and Max’s marriage now that you know he was intimate with Philadelphia before he left? And just why did he feel the need to go to Piney Creek anyway? There has got to be more to that story. One of the reasons I had a problem with Max. Of course for the sake of the story I guess the author had to come up with something but I had issues with the situation.
10. “You built her a house knowing she wouldn’t like it?” Low Down asks. What does this say about the lines of communication between his former fiancée and Max? About their relationship in general?
I think Max was hoping to bring the fiance to his way of thinking eventually. Men can be so clueless at times.
11. What do you think of all of Low Down’s proverbs? Are you enjoying them or are they getting on your last nerve? Do you have any favorites yet?
Been a while since I read the book so can't remember.
12. We finally hear Low Down’s story. Comments.
I just wanna give her a big hug.
13. “The man was togged out like a general in a foreign army, and all he did was stand in the awning’s shade and open the door? He looked like he ought to be deciding who would live and who would die.” I thought Low Down’s internal commentary on the doorman’s uniform was spot on and something I’ve never thought of before.
She did have a unique view on the world.
14. Along the lines of the Pygmalion Theme, so many romance books have the hero buying the heroine a whole new wardrobe to complete the make-over. In this story, Low Down goes to the second-hand story and purchases her own wardrobe (despite Max's objections); it is still a step up for her. Is there any significance here?
Her low self esteem tells her thats good enough for her. She needs another hug.
15. Comments on the “poking” scene? How funny was it that he woke her up to ask her real name.
lol
16. Louise takes pleasure in the simple things in life. Do you ever feel you are too materialistic (I won’t even get into the reliance on technology!)?
Something I have thought on. Yes, we are materialistic. I have a story my grandmother wrote about her being in a tornado and losing her home. Makes me realize how great I really have it. So what if I don't have a car.
17. What did you think of Max’s family? Do you think Max’s family will accept Louise right away?
I was iffy at first but they finally came around.
18. How about Livvy McCord’s suggestion that they pursue a divorce? How surprised was Max?
Well, since this was a romance and I expected a HEA I knew that wasn't going to happen.
19. One thing that kind of bothers me a tiny bit is that Louise wants her own baby and is not open to adoption. On some level I totally understand it; on another, considering her own experience with the Orphan Train, I find this sad. Comments.
I adopted a beautiful baby girl and she is the love of my life but even I have to admit that having a child from my own body would have created an even stronger bond.
20. How do you feel about kids in romance books – some people don’t like them there; but, isn’t Sunshine just too adorable?
I love children in stories as long as they aren't too perfect or too bratty and are portrayed according to their age. (i.e. a 9 yr old that acts like a 4 yr old.)
Sandy wrote: "Let me know if this works:..."Looks good, Sandy! Thanks!
I'll be getting my hands on this book today. I'll join in as soon as I'm caught up.
@ Sandy#9 – LOL! Mind Meld indeed! ☺
#10 – Agreed.
#11 – They’re not getting on my nerves. “Every tub must stand on its own bottom.” That one made me laugh. Never heard it before either.
#12 – Some people are able to preserve through hardships and environment to be their own person. I, myself, was adopted when I was 4 ½ years old along with my older brother. By a upper middle class family. My younger half-brother was put into foster care and had a horrible childhood. He found me years later and he is truly an amazing person. Very gentle, loving and giving. He didn’t have the education and advantages that we did, but I think he turned out a happier and better person.
#13 – It is!
#14 – As much as I love a good wardrobe scene (and I really do! While some people don’t like descriptions of fashion, I like to know things like that), I think it is neat that she is elevating herself; she at least now is somewhat presentable, and I admire her determination to stick to her guns. Next she’ll have help by her family in making her new clothes, which is another step in her evolution and also significant.
#15 – Yes, it is an uncomfortable word. Always makes me cringe a little.
#16 – Wow. Good for you for reading TBH - that had many sad parts. I like to kid myself that I’m not materialistic. Ha! I wouldn’t be very happy without my computer, and now my iPod/Touch.
#17 – He mother is pretty domineering. Families were even more interconnected back then, living on a ranch/nearby like that. Still, I do agree with you.
#18 – Yeah, I had mixed feelings about him telling them the whole story.
#19 – Perhaps.
#20 – I love kids in romance books too, especially if they get their ages appropriate.
@ Pamela#9 – Yes, I can see why you would.
#10 – They are! LOL!
#12 - Me too!
#16 – I went a year without a car. It is rough. Especially getting to work. And I don’t have kids, so I don’t know how you do it. I’m crossing my fingers for you and the lottery. I almost won a car once; I was in the top 20 people to pull the right key from a velvet bag.
#18 – True. But I was shaking my head again at Max - thinking, “You should have delayed that honeymoon.”
#19 – How neat, Pamela. My mother always told me I didn’t grow under her heart but in it. She and I were very close, best friends even; I miss her daily. She was great at letting our relationship evolve as I matured into adulthood, though she was always my mother. I’ve met my birth mother; though a nice person, and smart enough to give us up, she had not a maternal drop of blood in her body. I was very lucky.
#20 – Mind Meld! ☺
Vi wrote: "I'll be getting my hands on this book today. I'll join in as soon as I'm caught up."Great!
@Lisa Kay#12 - Thank you for sharing your personal story. How blessed you were to be adopted! I'm so glad your younger brother overcame his circumstances.
#16 - I like to think I could live without an ipod since I did it for about 34 years. :-) I am loving my Nook Color though!
@Pamela
How wonderful that you adopted a baby!!
Questions for Chapters 7 -921. Why do you think Max keeps the marble in his pocket?
22. Was anyone surprised Philadelphia is pregnant? What did you think about Livvy's solution to the problem?
23. Did your opinion of Philadelphia change or did you feel less sorry for her once you learned she is a master of manipulation? She slept with Max to try to keep him from going to Piney Creek, and she has taught herself to cry at will to get what she wants. I am thinking she isn't a person of great character, and I am wondering if she will somehow try to get back with Max or at least try to seduce him.
24. Max realizes the house lacks quarters for a maid and a cook. Further proof that he and Philadelphia didn't have a deep relationship in the first place? Do you think Philadelphia really loved Max or was she just trying to get a household/family of her own, or maybe to get away from her father?
25. I understand Livvy a little bit better learning the story of her past with Jason. Comments?
26. "She couldn't decide whether to curse Preacher Jellison for turning her life upside down or to bless him for giving her a taste of a life she would never have experienced otherwise." Why do you suppose Louise believes she never would have married some day?
Questions for Chapters 7 -921. Why do you think Max keeps the marble in his pocket?
22. Was anyone surprised Philadelphia is pregnant? What did you think about Livvy's solution to the problem?
23. Did your opinion of Philadelphia change or did you feel less sorry for her once you learned she is a master of manipulation? She slept with Max to try to keep him from going to Piney Creek, and she has taught herself to cry at will to get what she wants. I am thinking she isn't a person of great character, and I am wondering if she will somehow try to get back with Max or at least try to seduce him.
24. Max realizes the house lacks quarters for a maid and a cook. Further proof that he and Philadelphia didn't have a deep relationship in the first place? Do you think Philadelphia really loved Max or was she just trying to get a household/family of her own, or maybe to get away from her father?
25. I understand Livvy a little bit better learning the story of her past with Jason. Comments?
26. "She couldn't decide whether to curse Preacher Jellison for turning her life upside down or to bless him for giving her a taste of a life she would never have experienced otherwise." Why do you suppose Louise believes she never would have married some day?
Lisa Kay’s Answers to Sandy’s Questions for Chapters 7 -9 21. Why do you think Max keeps the marble in his pocket?
I think his reason is changing into reason s and evolving over time. First he wanted it to remind him of the “ridiculousness” of blaming a glass marble for a twist of fate that happened in the time it took to draw it from the bag; it was a symbol that he was not master of his destiny. Then it really starts to become a punishment for him, as he clutches it in his pocket b/f he has to do something he doesn’t want to do, such as bed Louise. He begins to fantasize about smashing it, and then treats it like worry beads. He starts noticing it accidently, like when he contemplates Louise’s silver spoon on the mantel (her symbol of gratitude). I think we are seeing a gradual progression here, and there’ll be more.
22. Was anyone surprised Philadelphia is pregnant? What did you think about Livvy's solution to the problem?
I was stunned. Leave it to Ms. Osborne to put a kink in the works. And I was surprised again at Livvy’s solution, though it makes total sense. I couldn’t help thinking Max should stop sleeping with Louise and they would soon know if she was pregnant. Surely Mr. Houser knew some important people and they could rush a divorce through. Of course, he was pretty pissed. Still, my mind took flight.
23. Did your opinion of Philadelphia change or did you feel less sorry for her once you learned she is a master of manipulation? She slept with Max to try to keep him from going to Piney Creek, and she has taught herself to cry at will to get what she wants. I am thinking she isn't a person of great character, and I am wondering if she will somehow try to get back with Max or at least try to seduce him.
I did feel sorry for her, and I was surprised she used her “innocence” to try and get Max to stay. However, it makes her much more culpable in the results. Interesting that MO has a good portion of the narrative from her POV. I think more and more of Philadelphia is going to be revealed. She definitively wants Max back. I think we are going to see two people, who wanted the same thing, going in opposite directions. Max will adapt and find the lemonade and Philadelphia will stick to her objective, to hell with everyone else, and become sour.
24. Max realizes the house lacks quarters for a maid and a cook. Further proof that he and Philadelphia didn't have a deep relationship in the first place? Do you think Philadelphia really loved Max or was she just trying to get a household/family of her own, or maybe to get away from her father?
Wow. Great question! Hmmm. I was going to say I didn’t think she wanted to get away from her father, but the more I think on it, you could be right. She still wanted to stay in town, shine off his money and influence, but Max would “buffer” her from him. Interesting.
25. I understand Livvy a little bit better learning the story of her past with Jason. Comments?
Yes, this is definitely a determined, take-charge woman who became a “feminist” before her time, in order to save her children. As more of her is reveal, I like her more and more.
26. "She couldn't decide whether to curse Preacher Jellison for turning her life upside down or to bless him for giving her a taste of a life she would never have experienced otherwise." Why do you suppose Louise believes she never would have married some day?
I think that is realistic. And a combination of things. She had resigned herself to being “less than – lower down” than others, undeserving of family, that’s why she wanted a baby. The more I thought on it I was figured her adopting a baby was probably farfetched too; they most likely didn’t give babies to single women back then. She was never attractive to the opposite sex – well, except once. I also don’t think she wanted to have anyone else (i.e. a husband) telling her what to do, so she had no real desire to marry.
21. Why do you think Max keeps the marble in his pocket?Not real sure but probably to remind him of the choices and decisions that he has made and the consequences.
22. Was anyone surprised Philadelphia is pregnant? What did you think about Livvy's solution to the problem?
Not really. Ms Osborne has a way of throwing some interesting things into the mix.
23. Did your opinion of Philadelphia change or did you feel less sorry for her once you learned she is a master of manipulation? She slept with Max to try to keep him from going to Piney Creek, and she has taught herself to cry at will to get what she wants. I am thinking she isn't a person of great character, and I am wondering if she will somehow try to get back with Max or at least try to seduce him.
I never cared for her just because of who she was. Perhaps I shouldn't have been so hard on her because it wasn't her fault Max would get himself into a sticky situation but still...
24. Max realizes the house lacks quarters for a maid and a cook. Further proof that he and Philadelphia didn't have a deep relationship in the first place? Do you think Philadelphia really loved Max or was she just trying to get a household/family of her own, or maybe to get away from her father?
I think Max did things the way he could with what he had and fully expected Philadelphia to adjust and accept it.
25. I understand Livvy a little bit better learning the story of her past with Jason. Comments?
I like how she wasn't perfect and how Ms Osborne can work these things in.
26. "She couldn't decide whether to curse Preacher Jellison for turning her life upside down or to bless him for giving her a taste of a life she would never have experienced otherwise." Why do you suppose Louise believes she never would have married some day?
Well, obviously, due to the fact her live up to that date didn't seem to indicate any possibility of that happening. She just accepted her apparent fate.
@ Pamela#22 – That she does!
#23 – LOL! So, you labeled her the “other woman” right off the bat. **hee hee** Works for me.
#24 – Yes, Max is the one who really grows in this story.
#26 – That word keeps popping up: fate. Hmmmm. ☺
Vi's Answers to Lisa Kay's Questions for Prologue to Chapter 31. Have you ever read any of Maggie Osborne’s books before? How do you like her less than perfect heroines? What about westerns as a subgenre of romance? Have you read many? If so, who are your favorite authors?
No, I hadn't heard of the author prior to this book. I've read 2 Western Romance so far - Heart of the West by Penelope Williamson and Never Love A Lawman by Jo Goodman. I liked the latter better than the former.
2. What did you think of Low Down’s method of “sweet talking” to motivate her patients into rallying? (BTW, ugh. Who gives fish stew to someone who is tossing their biscuits? LOL!)
Oh, I was shocked but realized it was very effective. Great thinking!
3. We don’t know Low Down’s history yet, but I’m willing to bet it is a sad one. I’m under the impression that she has nothing. Given this, is her yearning for a family and someone to love not only understandable, but believable, despite being impractical, or less than sane? (BTW, I got a kick out the fact that Low Down was looking at Max McCord when her “fondest wish” came to her.)
Obviously, I can't really relate but I can understand that she wants someone to love for her own. She doesn't want to be alone anymore which is so understandable. The only I didn't was the fact that she asked for a baby in front of so many people. I couldn't have.
4. I must admit that when I read reviews that Max was already promised to Philadelphia yet made to be part of the “lucky twenty-four,” I was a little skeptical about the storyline. Nevertheless, the way Ms. Osborne writes the scene and sets it up in escalating stages worked for me. You? At first he was just going to join the group that was willing to “poke” her, and I could understand to a certain extent about of saving face, when push came to shove, mingled with hope against the odds ー and then Preacher Jellison insisted on marriage, of course.
This requires a huge suspension of disbelief on the reader's part if you ask me. I mean, who the heck in their right mind will insist on a promised guy to do it. Plus, she needn't have had to do it like this - I mean she's in a mining town with all guys, for crying out loud! So yeah, huge suspension of disbelief
5. Are you like me and feeling for both these characters already? They are in an impossible situation. I felt for Low Down when she was not “duded up” like the rest of the town and when the men all balked; but, it was excruciating the next morning when she was at the riverbed and Max was talking to her – then he turned down her dinner invitation! She may have a generous heart, but she has pride too.
Oh yeah, my heart was cracking up for her. She's so naive and so clueless that you just want to hug her. I can understand with Max also and the impossible situation. I also liked that Osborne didn't make him a perfect character - he had his flaws.
6. Bookquote: “Had he troubled himself to inquire if she had someplace she would rather go, like south? No, he had not. . . If she wanted a baby, she had to follow where her husband’s privates went…” I love the way Ms. Osborne writes Low Down’s thoughts. As frustrating as the set-up of their situation is to me, these wry notes of insightful humor are softening me up. How about you?
Oh yeah, it shows Low Down so properly and also just about tells her how she was treated previously. It somehow seems a miracle that she is so like her now even with all the turns life gave her.
7. What did you think about the “treasures” the men left outside Low Down’s tent? Her gratitude for them?
Well, they damn sure had to do something. All of them were relieved that it was Max who was trapped. And this somehow redeemed them. Mighty telling of Low Down when she was able to savor the gifts as they come - she's such a positive person.
8. There are many things that endear me to Low Down, but I have to say when she was thrilled at being considered a temptress, that was an ice cream sundae topper. Did she work her magic on you? If so, when and how?
Osborn writes good stuff - I don't know when I fell for her but somehow I did - completely. The magic is subtle that you don't you're falling until you're all done.
@ Vi#1 – I haven’t read either of those books, but I’ve heard of the authors; will have to check them out. Thanks.
#3 – LOL! A bit shy, are you?
#4 – I know! Though I do think she was trying to get everyone’s attention that she had changed her mind, but they were on a roll. Talk about things snowballing out of control!
#5 – Yes, I just LOVE Low Down. I like Max the least of all Ms. Osborne’s heroes, but he is growing one me. I think he is the one that evolves the most in this book.
# 6 – Ditto!
#8 – Yes, it says a lot about Ms. Osborne’s writing that she can turn an implausible storyline and unlikeable hero (to me anyway) into such an enjoyable story. You are right, the Magic of LD is subtle.
God, I have to re-read my posts before submitting. I just eat too many words in between that it is embarrassing.Oh yeah, I'm very shy - if you meet me face-to-face for the first time, you wouldn't hear me speaking much.
Oh LK, have you any of Osborne's other books? Care to recommend one for me?
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Hailed as "one of the best writers in the business" by Susan Elizabeth Phillips, multi-award-winning author Maggie Osborne delivers hilarious and heartrending tales of resilient women full of grit, pride, and dignity who shine through hard times. Now meet the most irresistible and independent heroine of them all, a woman called Low Down, who never had anything good happen to her until the day she asked for the one thing that only a man could give her. . . .
As scruffy and rootless as the other prospectors searching for gold in the Rockies, Low Down wanted nothing in return for nursing a raggedy bunch through the pox. But when pressed to reveal her heart's wish, she admits, "I want a baby." Not a husband, not a forced marriage to the proud man who drew the scratched marble and became honor bound to marry her. To be sure, Max McCord was easy on the eyes, but he loved another woman and dreamed of a different life. Yet they agreed to a temporary marriage that could end only in disaster. But can this strange twist of fate lead to the silver lining that both have been searching for?
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