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Maybe I am an apathetic reader....I don't sit with a highlighter ready to mark certain passages.


I presume there is some kind of built in feedback that allows Amazon to "read" whatever you would add to a bought ebook whenever you are online on your device?
Last time I looked, you had to tick a box on Manage your Kindle to have your notes and annotations (and presumably your highlights) saved to Amazon's server. Claudine and Sue will remember that I looked into that when we set up the panel to edit THE MEYERSCO HELIX, and decided a good old-fashioned exchange of letters between editors was more secure -- and a damn sight more comforting. I'm glad I did, and with it instituted notes in Word, because the Kindle as a notetaker/annotator turned out to be very unreliable, at least in my hands.
Frankly, like Claudine, I would feel uncomfortable if a monster as unpredictable and arbitrary and crude (by comparison with the gentlemen who once inhabited publishing) as the Zon were to know what I write on manuscripts, many of which are other people's work. Amazon, I fear, on the slightest pretext will turn into Big Brother.
@Margie. There was time when all writers, and thoughtful people, had commonplace books into which they copied passages from books, their own best thoughts, etc. I'm glad to hear you keep up the practice. You will love the highlight facility on the Kindle.
@ J.a. One lady writer has reaching for a hundred readers highlighting the same passage, and that is just one of the many passages highlighted by large numbers of her readers in only one of her books. See link below.
@Katie Now you have me chewing my fingernails. You can write to me privately to tell me what it is. Put a poor writer out of his misery!
Frankly, like Claudine, I would feel uncomfortable if a monster as unpredictable and arbitrary and crude (by comparison with the gentlemen who once inhabited publishing) as the Zon were to know what I write on manuscripts, many of which are other people's work. Amazon, I fear, on the slightest pretext will turn into Big Brother.
@Margie. There was time when all writers, and thoughtful people, had commonplace books into which they copied passages from books, their own best thoughts, etc. I'm glad to hear you keep up the practice. You will love the highlight facility on the Kindle.
@ J.a. One lady writer has reaching for a hundred readers highlighting the same passage, and that is just one of the many passages highlighted by large numbers of her readers in only one of her books. See link below.
@Katie Now you have me chewing my fingernails. You can write to me privately to tell me what it is. Put a poor writer out of his misery!
Writers on ROBUST are cordially invited to post highlights readers have made, as reported by Amazon, on http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-for...
Readers on ROBUST: If Amazon hasn't yet reported your highlight, there is no reason you shouldn copy and paste it here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-for...
But do remember to name the book and the author!
Readers on ROBUST: If Amazon hasn't yet reported your highlight, there is no reason you shouldn copy and paste it here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-for...
But do remember to name the book and the author!
It's a amazing what readers see in your books. Margie, in her review of IDITAROD at Librarian's Quest
http://librariansquest.blogspot.com/2...
includes this line in one of her quotations:
"The ptarmigan decided he and his dogs were not a threat and settled like down from a tearing pillow fight."
It's the sort of line no novelist should throw away for readers to glide over at the end of a passage of hot action. Of course, the problem is, the novelist himself glides over it because his focus is on the action. A professional doesn't say, Gee, lookit me, wonderful image. He says, Christ, that's a darling little phrase, let's murder it, it holds up the story. All that saved the metaphor is the *action* of the ptarmigan settling: in so detailed a novel, it would have shattered both the idyll and the pressing, urgent realism to leave them hanging, because many readers will know they cannot fly anywhere at night. (It's like the deer/elk/moose Sharon raised, but worse.)
It wasn't until Margie quoted the line that, after reading it a hundred times without noticing (after deciding grudgingly it had better stay), I again noticed what a charming line it is, and presumed Margie chose it because "a tearing pillow fight" appeals to the juvenile in her -- and her readership, of course!
http://librariansquest.blogspot.com/2...
includes this line in one of her quotations:
"The ptarmigan decided he and his dogs were not a threat and settled like down from a tearing pillow fight."
It's the sort of line no novelist should throw away for readers to glide over at the end of a passage of hot action. Of course, the problem is, the novelist himself glides over it because his focus is on the action. A professional doesn't say, Gee, lookit me, wonderful image. He says, Christ, that's a darling little phrase, let's murder it, it holds up the story. All that saved the metaphor is the *action* of the ptarmigan settling: in so detailed a novel, it would have shattered both the idyll and the pressing, urgent realism to leave them hanging, because many readers will know they cannot fly anywhere at night. (It's like the deer/elk/moose Sharon raised, but worse.)
It wasn't until Margie quoted the line that, after reading it a hundred times without noticing (after deciding grudgingly it had better stay), I again noticed what a charming line it is, and presumed Margie chose it because "a tearing pillow fight" appeals to the juvenile in her -- and her readership, of course!

http://librariansquest.blogspot.com/2...
includes this line in..."
If I might just step in here...I love that line because yes, I freely admit, I am still a kid at heart sometimes (hard not to be after 33+ years as a teacher) and yes, it appeals to my students but a tearing pillow fight is a universal image. Most of us have been in pillow fights at one time or at the very least read or have had read to us a story in which a pillow fight is part of the events. For some reason the image of down floating through the air after a rioutous romp is so vivid; it goes with the ptarmigan. I really like that. As a reader it is important to me that the author conjures images in my mind so that I feel like I am either there with the characters or I am watching the story unfold like a movie that I never want to end.

Speaking of notes in books: When I was doing some research for Richard Sewall (who was writing his Emily Dickinson biography) he handed me a book to take away with me for a week. He asked me to read it, looking for echos of Emily's poems. He knew the facts of Emily's life, but had trouble holding her poetry in his mind -- while I couldn't get it out of mine. The book was Reveries of a Bachelor, one of Emily's favorites. Now here's the part I treasure about that memory: the book Richard put in my hands that day was Emily's own copy. Reading it was like having her at my shoulder, whispering in my ear, because her penciled comments were written in the margins. I found a hair between two pages and wondered if it might have been hers. The color appeared to be a match: "...like the sherry the guest leaves in the bottom of the glass." (That may be an inaccurate quote, but it's close enough for our purposes here.)

odd bird...feathers...very clever.
What a wonderful memory, Patricia and what a gift to hold her book in your hands. Thanks for sharing.

Just off to see if I can find it... I liked the ptarmigan one, too.

It is cute and that laugh will get you going.

LOL. That'll teach the buggers to do the job right.
Er-- second thoughts, didn't you review one of my books, Joo?
Burn your Kindle immediately!
Er-- second thoughts, didn't you review one of my books, Joo?
Burn your Kindle immediately!

All hail to Andy Jenkinson, Karl Jones and Mark Ryan, who were the copy-editors on that edition of IDITAROD a novel of The Greatest Race on Earth.

I too thought they were on the "Manage your Kindle" page. I didn't bother with the switch since the only MS I highlight are unpublished, therefore not bought from Amazon, therefore under the old arrangement not stored on Amazon. The new arrangement would apparently store them too, so I've just given up editing on the Kindle, which is anyway unreliable and clumsy.

It is one COOL piece of software for long documents. It has a Novel template with places for research notes.
I'm in LOVE!
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scr...
Take a look - you might find it useful.
Bethany, take it from a Word warrior of thirty years standing, new features aren't the answer. You want to get the hang of a useful base set of features, and make them your own. Word is awful, and Microsoft has made it successively worse (honest, it used to be lean and quick and fabulously useful, not obstructive at all), but it is still the best general word processor out there.
It isn't too tough for someone with judgement and taste to learn to be an editor on their own. I were you, I'd choose classes in subjects you can't pick up on your own. One problem lots of editors have is they have no idea of design, and that will shortly become as important in ebooks as in trad books, and is anyway crucial in every other place where editors work. A decent background in design, even just a thorough introductory course, would set you apart from all the other editors in virtually every field of editing you might want to enter.
You can easily judge the value of a course on MS Word. Have they yet told you the big time-saving trick of returning where you stopped yesterday, without searching? Shift-Function 5 sends you to the last place you altered something, the end of the manuscript if you were writing, your last correction if you were editing, the last place you read if you work smart, by which I mean this: make your act of every working day spacebar-save-delete-save-quite-shut down and tomorrow Shift-Function 5 will put the cursor where you want to start work.
That's Word's biggest time-saving secret.
That's Word's biggest time-saving secret.
Books mentioned in this topic
IDITAROD a novel of The Greatest Race on Earth (other topics)Stieg Larsson: Man, Myth & Mistress (other topics)
STIEG LARSSON Man, Myth & Mistress (other topics)
...an intellectual should count his enemies with pride as the measure of his righteousness, and if he finds none backtrack to when he sold out...
...entirely independent of what their self-appointed betters though they should be reading, deciding for themselves on the large samples from books...
The first is an authorial opinion on independence of mind, the second refers to the readers' own Kindle experience.