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Juli
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Oct 16, 2011 08:41PM
Here's the place to share ideas for things that you would like to read, whether an online short story or something one of our authors could use for a full length book or novella.
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Alex wrote: "This is useful lol; I've got hundreds of the bloody things! Ok...1- Death's kiss
A young boy is cursed by death for attempting to steal from his plum tree. The curse is that no matter whom or ho..."
UHMMMMM...number 2---demon named Sammy....hmmmm....should we talk sweet boy??? LOL!
Alex wrote: "Oh dear... :P"AHEM...sweet boy...I would be honored to be the featured demon in your little rabbit tale!!
Alex wrote: "Oh, in that case I can change it to... to a bisexual love triangle! It'd work better, as Edward can be love struck between Sammy and Toby. Haha, I love being a quick thinker"OMG--I am featured in a bisexual love triangle--dear boy--I am hanging out with you more often!!
psst Sammy is Alex old enough for pirates?
Cheryl wrote: "psst Sammy is Alex old enough for pirates?"No the little beggar is only 14--an old soul for sure--but we would be robbing the cradle.
*Sammy pats ALex, sweet boy, on the back*
Alex wrote: "Hahaha, yeah... I dread to think what would happen when I turn 50... Will I be 70 in everything else (?)"Ah, ah, ah---no teasing darling boy!!! NAUGHTY!
ooooo i used to collect unicorn figurines and stuff when i was younger
Alex wrote: "Hahaha, I prefer teddies"Hey---how did the sleepover go??
Hi Sammy - so now we have to collaborate on a kid's book about being trans*, eh?
Kaje wrote: "Hi Sammy - so now we have to collaborate on a kid's book about being trans*, eh?"LOL--you know well Kaje that I write chidren's plays--it won't be such a huge leap--LOL!
Sammy2006 wrote: "Kaje wrote: "Hi Sammy - so now we have to collaborate on a kid's book about being trans*, eh?"LOL--you know well Kaje that I write chidren's plays--it won't be such a huge leap--LOL!"
Yeah, you can write it :) Actually, it sounds like you got Jo going - I think it's a great idea, just not sure I can write that level myself. (I did for my kids, but I knew my kids interests.)
Alex wrote: "It hasn't happened yet silly! And I'm writing a gay novel about a crossdresser... All about him discovering himself (clean thoughts, ladies and gents...)"That's great Alex! There's a real need for good stuff with different heroes in interesting stories.
Alex wrote: "It hasn't happened yet silly! And I'm writing a gay novel about a crossdresser... All about him discovering himself (clean thoughts, ladies and gents...)"OOPS-Senior moment sweet boy!! Your story sound very interesting--you know you can post your writing on line here--with your profile, don't you??
ooo we need more cross dressing and trans* books
Alex wrote: "I thank you! I'm not modest at all! ;) The start's on my profile, actually... Loving The Lolita Boy... I can upload the plot synopsis, if you'd like.."Sammy sprints off to read!
Alex wrote: "I thank you! I'm not modest at all! ;) The start's on my profile, actually... Loving The Lolita Boy... I can upload the plot synopsis, if you'd like.."Just let us know where it is and we'll read it - I like not knowing where a story's going, unless you want help with the plot.
Alex wrote: "Hahaha, okey dokey... AND LEAVE A COMMENT DARLING!!!!!! ..... *innocent voice* Thank you..."As soon as I get a minute - have to take the kid out to skating soon and my concentration is crappy right now. Just finished the radio show and now I'm nervous.
Alex wrote: "Hahaha, I'm going ice skating for my party- no idea why, I can't do it..."Seriously? It could give you a reason to hang onto someone :) (Quite innocently of course.)
Cheryl wrote: "ooo we need more cross dressing and trans* books"Featherweight has one cross-dressing and one trans book right now. Wink wink.
Ralph wrote: "Cheryl wrote: "ooo we need more cross dressing and trans* books"Featherweight has one cross-dressing and one trans book right now. Wink wink."
Go Ralph! It is great actually, the variety of stories you have accepted and are bringing to life.
Kaje wrote: "Alex wrote: "Hahaha, okey dokey... AND LEAVE A COMMENT DARLING!!!!!! ..... *innocent voice* Thank you..."As soon as I get a minute - have to take the kid out to skating soon and my concentration ..."
Don't be nervous--really you did well--I would tell you if you hadn't--honest!
Plot bunnies! They're everywhere! My daughters and I watched a documentary about a 10-year-old girl who was born a boy; she's still physically a boy, because she's too young for surgery, and in the documentary the parents and doctor were discussing hormone therapy to suppress the male puberty the girl will otherwise go through. According to the parents, the girl started asking when she was about two why she didn't look like a girl "down there".
I used to have a friend who identified as bisexual, who said he knew when he was five or six that he liked both boys and girls "that way."
People tend to think that young kids don't have any idea about sexuality or gender, but those people are wrong, and I think there is a need for books that address the 5-year-old who wants to know why "she" has a penis or the 7-year-old who wants to kiss his best (boy) friend. The problem is I think a lot of teachers, librarians, and especially parents would strenuously object to those books, and that's very unfortunate.
And a whole buncha you posted when I was in the middle of that post, because I got a phone call I needed to take (someone who I'd been trying to reach, who had called back while I was on the radio show), and so it took me half an hour to finish posting. LOL
Jo wrote: "Plot bunnies! They're everywhere! My daughters and I watched a documentary about a 10-year-old girl who was born a boy; she's still physically a boy, because she's too young for surgery, and in t..."
I agree--transgender--is very very taboo in so many places--so very unfortunate!
Alex wrote: "Haha, I'll "hold on" but it may not be innocent... Accidental, perhaps... ;) No, depending on whose nearby and if I remember who I trust to touch me, as I have issues relating to personal matters a..."Maybe very smart and mature as well--you should have issues about where you are comfortable being touched sweet boy--wise beyond your years!
Jo wrote: "Plot bunnies! They're everywhere! My daughters and I watched a documentary about a 10-year-old girl who was born a boy; she's still physically a boy, because she's too young for surgery, and in t..."
The hormone suppression therapy is a cool idea, because it is potentially reversible. There are apparently some kids who change their self-perception later, although one has to wonder about the pressures and drives behind that. Did you read about the twins where the one boy was MTF and doing that? It's posted here http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/7...
Alex wrote: "Haha, I'll "hold on" but it may not be innocent... Accidental, perhaps... ;) No, depending on whose nearby and if I remember who I trust to touch me, as I have issues relating to personal matters a..."Many of us do at your age, I think. Except for some who are starved for any kind of touch. Slow trust is a good thing.
Alex wrote: "I won't scream why I don't like it, but if you want to know more message me. It's a bit... sad. Especially when it's by your best friend. :'("Ah dear--so sorry that happened to you!
Ask Jo - she has a bunny breeding farm in her head.
Got to run the kid skating (again) Back soon.
I have many, many plot bunnies merrily playing and multiplying in my brain. Fortunately for Ralph, not all of them are for Featherweight. LOL I had read about the twins where one is M->F, and I thought it was cool that they live in Maine, the state I'm originally from.
Alex wrote: "Hehehehehe. Sean, a 15 year old drama student is very shy and attractive but not at all popular. He's abused by his older brother who dates his teacher. Miss Smith, the teacher doesn't realise that..."I think you have to write that one Alex - it has your name all over it. Would it be uncomfortable to be adopted by the guy he fancies?
Alex wrote: "o.O He's adopted by his teacher, not the guy"Ah, so the new boyfriend she marries is a new, new boyfriend, not the friend who fancies the teacher - I guess I got a little lost.
This shows how a synopsis of a complex plot is hard to do - I did a synopsis of Lies and Consequences for MLR and it was so convoluted they said "thanks but no thanks". I ended up bringing it out as a freebie.
Wow, awesome plot bunnies. So, Alex when are you going to write the stories? :0)
Elci (LC) wrote: "Wow, awesome plot bunnies. So, Alex when are you going to write the stories? :0)"The guy has a bunch of stuff going. I think his plot bunnies breed even faster than mine (and more dramatically.) Have you looked at his home page writing? Cool stuff.
Alex wrote: "Aawh, thanks you two!! My writing isn't THAT good, surely?"A lot of raw talent, sweetie, and some amazing imagination. You need just a little time to figure out how to mesh your style with a little more clarity and readability and you're gonna be awesome. So yeah, you're good now and getting better.
better then anything I could write. I do gooderer to make sentences.
Alex, you better get to writing!! It looks like you have plenty of bunnies running around:)
Alex wrote: "Sigh, ok, here goes- ahem. James is 17, and lives with Matthew, a famous novellist. The boy is 10 years his junior. The pair get along, but James doesn't know that Matthew writes *cough* adult fict..."This one could definitely work as an appealing, fairly straightforward m/m romance - the most interesting part might be in figuring out why James is in Matthew's care (presumably unrelated or very distantly) as the story opens. You could get some nice yearning in there early on, and conflict/guilt for Matthew for both his desires and the writing. And maybe some angst as to why James is not living at home. And a little betrayal scene somewhere as James stumbles on a WIP on the computer and recognizes himself in the description of the scene. Go for it!
One problem I see with that plot line. An adult is using a teenage boy in his adult stories? And I'd assume this has been going on since before the boy was 17. (On the other hand, you have a really good plot for a brocest story)
I second Ralph's concern; I don't know how old your adult character is, Alex, but to me it's a bit squicky for an adult (say, late 20s, early 30s?) to use a teenager for whom he's filling a parental role as adult story fodder...I like your idea, Alex; I think I would just be more comfortable with it if the boy was 18. (Keep in mind also the difference in ages of consent; I think where you are, Alex, it's 16; but in many states in the US, and for the purposes of publishing, it's usually 18. Many adult romance publishers won't consider anything with under 18 characters, though Dreamspinner seems to be an exception given some of their stuff that I've read.)
On the other hand, if you wanted to keep the boy at 17, you could always take out any explicit sexual content (i.e. written with the intent to arouse the reader) and push it as a young adult story; there are YA stories in which students have affairs with teachers; I read one as a teen that was written in the 1950s in which a late-teenage girl and her guardian fell in love with each other. Strange as it seems, as long as there isn't gratuitous sex in the story, you can get away with a lot more in YA than you can in adult romance.
Jo wrote: "I second Ralph's concern; I don't know how old your adult character is, Alex, but to me it's a bit squicky for an adult (say, late 20s, early 30s?) to use a teenager for whom he's filling a parenta..."It also depends on how you present his use of the boy in his work. Sometimes the transfer of real world to your fiction is unconscious. So you could have Matthew suddenly inspired to write a story about older guy/younger guy who is 18. And it flows easily and he thinks his character of the young guy is inspired and only after he submits it he rereads and realizes that he's written James. And he could be torn between feeling guilty and thinking its his best work and he doesn't want to withdraw or mutilate it with changes...
Keeping James as 17 could add a layer, where Matthew is determined not to think about him in a sexual way because of his age, and it gets sublimated in his writing. And James may think he's old enough and Matthew is being ridiculous, while Matthew is determined not to betray the mother's trust.
You could do that, maybe one while James is 17, setting up the tension, and then one in which he turns 18? Although you could put it in one book depending on how many plot threads you want to include. So hey, are you off school today?
Alex wrote: "I'm on half term ^_^ And that sounds good. See, the story sounded good in my head, but looking back, it is a tinsy winsy bit.... well, ok, quite a bit contravercial."Part of that is you looking at 17 from your side and it feels pretty adult to you, where us looking from the adult side are more aware of the issues of under-18 and sex content. But controversial can be good in a story, just be aware of the boundaries and only cross them knowingly. There are stories out there with older guy/younger guy under 18, but the way you write it determines whether a publisher would touch it and whether readers will be fascinated or a little squicked out, and whether they see Matthew as a good man tying to do the right thing as he unconsciously falls in love, or as a sleazy guy.
I actually have an unpublished novel where the MC's are 17 and mid-20's at the start of the novel, but I kept the sex from happening until the younger guy is 18 for many of those reasons. (Also the older guy is a cop and there are position-of-authority issues here where the age 16 for consent becomes age 18 if the older is in that position- wouldn't want the guy to have to arrest himself.)
welllllll Hey guys! XD figured i'd drop by and maybe... just maybe post a couple of ideas :P god knows thinking hurts but occasionally it actually works in my favour :PBut it's 2am here and i'm going to bed. haha NIGHT! :D
