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message 1: by Riley (new)

Riley (booksarecool) Hello. Welcome to another episode of 'Grammatically Correct', the show where authors can get advice on how to spell something, or to use the right grammar. Simply state your problem and I'll be happy to explain it!


message 2: by T.O.L.I. (new)

T.O.L.I. (taleoflostink) | 1770 comments lol!


message 3: by Daisy (new)

Daisy | 1074 comments Appriciate. How do you spell that??


message 4: by Daisy (new)

Daisy | 1074 comments ty


message 5: by Daisy (new)

Daisy | 1074 comments lol its okay cause I wanted to know now.


message 6: by Brigid ✩ (new)

Brigid ✩ | 5857 comments Mod
appreciate ... yeah. that's right. :D


message 7: by Nathan (new)

Nathan | 291 comments when do you use the right form of too/to?


message 8: by Riley (new)

Riley (booksarecool) no it's great Grace! I'm fine with it.

In response to your question, Nathan:
You can use 'too' in place of 'also'. Example- I will go to the mall also.
or
I will go to the mall too.
You would mainly use it in a sentence where you are comparing something and where you are including yourself, or another person.

Courtesy of WikiAnswers.



message 9: by Laina (new)

Laina (laineyru) Wait... aren't you supposed to put a comma before "too" when you use it at the end of a sentence? So it would be, "I will go to the mall, too." Right?


message 10: by Riley (new)

Riley (booksarecool) hmmmmm...I don't know if it would have a pause between it or not...hmmmmm...


message 11: by Kenzie (last edited Oct 20, 2008 01:54PM) (new)

Kenzie | 2838 comments Yes. Technically, Laina, you are correct.

Too is a word used to say you are doing something also. Like Riley already said.

Ex: I will go to the mall, too.

The other to is used more to connect words such as: Let's go to the store today.


message 12: by Riley (new)

Riley (booksarecool) thank you Kenzie.


message 13: by Nathan (new)

Nathan | 291 comments thanks Riley


message 14: by Veronica, What the neck!? (new)

Veronica (v_a_b) | 2889 comments Mod
Think of it this way: Too is an adjective. (ex. too much, too little, too high, too low, too painful) It can mean "also" as well.

To, well, I'm not sure what part of speach THAT is, but it could be a preposition(not positive on this one). Basically, it is where you don't use too or two, but it fits.


message 15: by Catamorandi (new)

Catamorandi (wwwgoodreadscomprofilerandi) I thought that THAT was an indefinite object, but I could certainly be wrong.


message 16: by Daisy (new)

Daisy | 1074 comments HOLY PURPLE CHEESEBALLS!


message 17: by Catamorandi (new)

Catamorandi (wwwgoodreadscomprofilerandi) I just looked up THAT in Wikipedia's parts of speech, and it called it a demonstrative singular noun or a noun phrase.


message 18: by Sella, ov vey! i haven't checked this group in months. >< (new)

Sella Malin | 4530 comments Mod
My old English teacher told us that "THAT" is a conjuction...


message 19: by Brigid ✩ (new)

Brigid ✩ | 5857 comments Mod
it can be ... i think
like "I know that ..." "I think that ..." etc.



message 20: by Daisy (new)

Daisy | 1074 comments THAT can be a conjunction


message 21: by Kenzie (new)

Kenzie | 2838 comments But that isn't all that important. Most of the time the word that isn't necessary in a sentence. Like when you say, "My friend said that you were unfriendly." It would actually sound better as, "My friend said you were unfriendly." It just shortens the amount of words you use. :)


message 22: by Laina (new)

Laina (laineyru) Can't "that" be ALL those parts of speech? Depending how it's used, it could be used as different parts of speech. I've learned it as a demostrative pronoun, an adjective, and several other things. So i just don't worry too much about it and --like Kenzie said-- I cut it out whenever possible.


message 23: by Sella, ov vey! i haven't checked this group in months. >< (new)

Sella Malin | 4530 comments Mod
Actually, I think the sentence sounds better with "that" than without it...I don't know why, it just rings better to me.


message 24: by Kenzie (new)

Kenzie | 2838 comments Oh ... it sounds better the other way to me. *shrugs*


message 25: by Riley (new)

Riley (booksarecool) hmmmmmmmmmmm...........I think they both sound okay.


message 26: by Riley (new)

Riley (booksarecool) but according to my grammar dictionary Kenzie is right.


message 27: by Kenzie (new)

Kenzie | 2838 comments Really? I was just stating something someone told me.


message 28: by Riley (new)

Riley (booksarecool) Well, not my grammar dictionary. My mom. And she's usually right about stuff like that.


message 29: by Sella, ov vey! i haven't checked this group in months. >< (new)

Sella Malin | 4530 comments Mod
Well, 'that' would be more accurate, because without the 'that' someone could assume it was exact quotations (as in, "Your friend said you should be more friendly.")


message 30: by Veronica, What the neck!? (new)

Veronica (v_a_b) | 2889 comments Mod
What I do is eliminate "that" from all parts of my writing EXCEPT dialogue, because people talk using the word "that."

Pretty much I do that for any grammar rule (eliminating being verbs, using the word "like" and "um"

Putting those words in dialogue just makes it more realistic, you know? I think that's one reason why I'm good at not making cheesy dialogue.


message 31: by Sella, ov vey! i haven't checked this group in months. >< (new)

Sella Malin | 4530 comments Mod
I actually like having words such as "um" in my writing, because it makes it more realistic, and makes awkwardness/whatever other emotion you're trying to portray clear.


message 32: by Brigid ✩ (new)

Brigid ✩ | 5857 comments Mod
haha. my characters say "um" a lot. it kinda gets annoying, but it makes it flow more realistically, u know?


message 33: by Veronica, What the neck!? (new)

Veronica (v_a_b) | 2889 comments Mod
Yes, sella, that's fine. I do that too.

Just make sure that your character is saying it, and that it isn't part of the story outside the dialogue or thoughts.


message 34: by Chandani (new)

Chandani  (milkduds920) | 78 comments XD


message 35: by Seth, The plan is simple--stay alive. (new)

Seth (ninjaaaaaofwritingbooks) | 2205 comments Mod
"Um . . . for sure," Seth said tentatively.


message 36: by Sella, ov vey! i haven't checked this group in months. >< (new)

Sella Malin | 4530 comments Mod
Yeah, I agree, Roni.

Brigid, my characters have the "um" speech problem too. Ah well. XD


message 37: by Brigid ✩ (new)

Brigid ✩ | 5857 comments Mod
heehee XD


message 38: by Daisy (new)

Daisy | 1074 comments Lucky! My characters are like too perfect in a sense


message 39: by Brigid ✩ (new)

Brigid ✩ | 5857 comments Mod
haha ... my characters used to be too perfect ... i mean in the stories i wrote when i was like ten. and NOW, all my characters are too FLAWED!!! AAAH!!!


message 40: by Veronica, What the neck!? (new)

Veronica (v_a_b) | 2889 comments Mod
Oh my gosh, I just got an awesome story idea!!!!!

I actually might just switch my nano story, it's so good.

Plus I will be able to come up with a better plot with this idea...
the other one doesn't really have any obvious ideas in it.


message 41: by Sella, ov vey! i haven't checked this group in months. >< (new)

Sella Malin | 4530 comments Mod
Roni, does it count if the story is in first person, and so there's "Um" because the MC is narrating the story and is a sarcastic person?


message 42: by Veronica, What the neck!? (new)

Veronica (v_a_b) | 2889 comments Mod
I think that is fine. Because it is the character speaking.

for instance, I have things like "you know?" that aren't in dialogue because my MC is speaking to the audience. :P

yay for crazy no-sense nano stories.

You know, I'm tempted to post mine just so you can see how horrible the last page and a half that I have written is. The rest is good, but ehn I started ignoring punctuation and spelling...


message 43: by Sella, ov vey! i haven't checked this group in months. >< (new)

Sella Malin | 4530 comments Mod
I'd love to read it!! :D


message 44: by Nathan (new)

Nathan | 291 comments Can we get back to the topic at hand here?

no offense....


message 45: by Sella, ov vey! i haven't checked this group in months. >< (new)

Sella Malin | 4530 comments Mod
sure...but there isn't much to talk about on the topic...


message 46: by Paige (new)

Paige Miller Q:

When do you say who and when do you say whom? We went over that in class today and I was totally lost!


message 47: by Riley (last edited Dec 08, 2008 04:44PM) (new)

Riley (booksarecool) Hmmmmm...one minute, I don't even know!

He=Who
Him=Whom

So, do something like this.

Who/Whom wrote the letter?
He wrote the letter. Therefore, who is correct.

For who/whom should I vote?
Should I vote for him? Therefore, whom is correct.

We all know who/whom pulled that prank.
This sentence contains two clauses: We all know and who/whom pulled that prank. We are interested in the second clause because it contains the who/whom. He pulled that prank. Therefore, who is correct. (Are you starting to sound like a hooting owl yet?)

We want to know on who/whom the prank was pulled.
This sentence contains two clauses: We want to know and the prank was pulled on who/whom. Again, we are interested in the second clause because it contains the who/whom. The prank was pulled on him. Therefore, whom is correct.


message 48: by Paige (new)

Paige Miller thanks! you rock!!!! You're much better at explaining than my english teacher... I hate her! she makes my 2 fav classes, lit and english, boring! HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE!


message 49: by Jessica (new)

Jessica  (jessicaafrank) | 3 comments Riley, You teach the who/whom exactly as I do. I find it so easy--and so odd that this isn't the common way to teach it.




message 50: by Veronica, What the neck!? (new)

Veronica (v_a_b) | 2889 comments Mod
Wow. I never knew that before. I've always wondered a bit about that...


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