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How did Bella and Edward create a baby?
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Oct 04, 2011 09:33AM
Because i know Bella can still have her period and what not but isn't Edward a vampire...? If he has no blood going through his body.. howwwww?!
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Ya that's what I thought. The poison ate away at all his blood and stuff..which is why changing into a vampire is so painful. If he doesn't eat or drink..doesn't have to pee or any of that how can he still have sperm? Wouldn't the poison have destroyed it? Even if it didn't he was how old? One hundred and something..I may be wrong but I don't think sperm lives that long, so I am with you I have no clue how that went down not to mention the fact that if he did have sperm it would have been human sperm so their child wouldn't have been half vampire...so I am extremely confused as well.
Yeah, that's exactly what i was thinking! But i guess we'll never know, haha.
No I suppose we won't. People's excuse well be that it is fiction therefore Meyer's doesn't have to explain it. Which isn't right but it is probably what a lot of people well say.
I know right, people hate Twilight and think it's dumb and stuff but whatever, she is an amazing author and if they don't see that, that's there problem not mine.
I wouldn't call her amazing, but she is a fair writer. Not the best and certainly not the worst. her grammar and punctuation could have been worked on as well as her use of words but overall the story was a good read and the characters weren't half bad.
Maggie wrote: "Because i know Bella can still have her period and what not but isn't Edward a vampire...? If he has no blood going through his body.. howwwww?!"Wait ... Bella can still have her period, after having become a vamp? Other than that, there are some ideas floating around how a vampire can still get the funk on, it involves a healthy vamp meal as foreplay.
I'm kind of amazed that people are willing to believe the body of a vampire can go on without blood circulation but then draw the line at the idea of, errm, living dead sperm?
Did you really have to ask????????????
Why is this question on the Twilight book and not on the Breaking Dawn one? You might be spoiling this for people.
Maggie wrote: "Because i know Bella can still have her period and what not but isn't Edward a vampire...? If he has no blood going through his body.. howwwww?!"It could be that the poison acts in place of the blood to produce an erection. In which case you'd end up with a glo-stick, I guess.
As for the sperm. Well, vampires heal fast, right? You could argue that if they heal by having their cells divide to replace any lost in the injury, that it would be entirely possible for the testicles to continue creating sperm, since they are made by the process of cell division.
Gerd wrote: "Maggie wrote: "Because i know Bella can still have her period and what not but isn't Edward a vampire...? If he has no blood going through his body.. howwwww?!"Wait ... Bella can still have her p..."
noooo they like conceided the baby before she was a vamp
Mickey wrote: "Why is this question on the Twilight book and not on the Breaking Dawn one? You might be spoiling this for people."ok? my bad? damn. new to this site, sue me?
Valerie wrote: "Did you really have to ask????????????"sorry, just curious really. i think i kept it pretty PG too soooooo no need to complain, ha.
Daniel wrote: "As for the sperm. Well, vampires heal fast, right? You could argue that if they heal by having their cells divide to replace any lost in the injury, that it would be entirely possible for the testicles to continue creating sperm, since they are made by the process of cell division."I think it has to do with the vampires always come back to themselves, not because there are magic cells that help them recover. They are dead, their cells are not supposed to generate. In Twilight, the vampires have marble stone skin -with exception in some parts of the body (do not ask me to explain this, it is forbidden for the underage readers- as a prove that they are dead and their cells are not alive. After serving the readers with those statements, SM inserted some magic to her vamps, living sperms.
your right she had the baby before she turned and then edward turned her because for one so she would stop aging and so she could be with him forever and she wanted to turn and to save her life she was dying and thats why he took a needle and put the vampire poison in it and stuck it in her heart to save her right then so he wouldn't have to wait for the poison to spread to her heart.
If you get different theories on Vamps, you will learn that you stop aging when you get turned. Vamps have to have blood to survives which run through their body. Men have no experation on their sperm as a woman has only a certain time when it is best for them to have kids. A woman vamp's body can't not change to support carrying a child thus why it is the man vamp that can have children with human women. Their sperm never ages!
when a mummy and daddy love each other veeeeery much ;)seriously tho, i dont think edward could get an erection without blood, as thats impossible. then again, being a vamire is impossible :[)
How can marble stone skin have or not have erection? It's marble stone, right? Can it get soft afterwards or do those vamps have erection all the time? And don't forget the cold part one while we are on that. Can an ice block pass erection and after erection period?Please excuse my language.
i dont think it is actually marble that their skin is made of..... i think it was just a metaphor to describe how hard and cold they are. YOU NEED BLOOD TO HAVE AN ERECTION. Btw that would be freaking hilarious if they had erections all the time...what was it the werewolve clan called them? the cold ones? i could soo imagine them being called 'the hard ones' X[)
Ranisha wrote: "If you get different theories on Vamps, you will learn that you stop aging when you get turned. Vamps have to have blood to survives which run through their body. Men have no experation on their sp..."Just thought of something: testicles are constantly regulating their temperature to keep the sperm alive. if the vampires are constantly cold, the sperm would die. lol
What is with capital letter? Yes it would be hilarious. That is why SM's vampire world is awful. You can say anything to 'depend' the series, but the marble stone skin is what SM's vamps, whether you want it to be a metaphor or not. And before everything about the pregnancy stuff, SM was asked whether a vampire can have babies. SM did say that since vampires are dead, they can not have babies.
And what does it relate to what the Were (btw, they are shifters)? They call the vamps the cold ones because they are themselves are freaking hot.
I see that you are trying to be logic. It is no use. There is no logical thing about vampires. What is confusing is the contradiction in SM's vampire world.
Icantreadwhyamihere wrote: "Just thought of something: testicles are constantly regulating their temperature to keep the sperm alive. if the vampires are constantly cold, the sperm would die. lol "No wonder or magic for that. Vampires are dead. They are not breathing. They do not have pulse.
According to your explanation, they need blood to have erection.
So, the blood must go through a circulation, rite? What do you think is involved to your theory there? A heart. A heart that circulate the process. To be able to do that, the heart must work properly, beat properly.
Why then the vampires do not have pulse?
Please do enlighten me.
werewolf, to me means someone who turns into a wolf whilst retaining some human characteristics, so i still call them werewolves. you're right about one thing, SM's vampire world IS awful. but its still better than Saving Francesca ;)
Here is the explanation SM put up:Vampires are physically similar enough to their human origins to pass as humans under some circumstances (like cloudy days). There are many basic differences. They appear to have skin like ours, albeit very fair skin. The skin serves the same general purpose of protecting the body. However, the cells that make up their skin are not pliant like our cells, they are hard and reflective like crystal. A fluid similar to the venom in their mouths works as a lubricant between the cells, which makes movement possible (note: this fluid is very flammable). A fluid similar to the same venom lubricates their eyes so that their eyes can move easily in their sockets. (However, they don't produce tears because tears exist to protect the eye from damage, and nothing is going to be able to scratch a vampire's eye.) The lubricant-venom in the eyes and skin is not able to infect a human the way saliva-venom can. Similarly, throughout the vampire's body are many versions of venom-based fluids that retain a marked resemblance to the fluid that was replaced, and function in much the same way and toward the same purpose. Though there is no venom replacement that works precisely like blood, many of the functions of blood are carried on in some form. Also, the nervous system runs in a slightly different but heightened way. Some involuntary reactions, like breathing, continue (in that specific example because vampires use the scents in the air much more than we do, rather than out of a need for oxygen). Other involuntary reactions, like blinking, don't exist because there is no purpose for them. The normal reactions of arousal are still present in vampires, made possible by venom-related fluids that cause tissues to react similarly as they do to an influx of blood. Like with vampire skin—which looks similar to human skin and has the same basic function—fluids closely related to seminal fluids still exist in male vampires, which carry genetic information and are capable of bonding with a human ovum. This was not a known fact in the vampire world (outside of Joham's personal experimenting) before Nessie, because it's nearly impossible for a vampire to be that near a human and not kill her.
you lost me at 'vampires are' :[)
heres one for ya: what did vampires evolve from?
Hahah. To simplify what SM means (or what I think she means). Vampire have fluids similar to humans but of different composition.
Nurlely wrote: "Icantreadwhyamihere wrote: "Just thought of something: testicles are constantly regulating their temperature to keep the sperm alive. if the vampires are constantly cold, the sperm would die. lol "..."huh.....i dont get where your coming from: im arguing that it would be impossible for a vampire's sperm to be alive and that THEY CANT HAVE AN ERECTION, as they have no blood, no pulse, and do not need to breathe.
"What do you think is involved to your theory there? A heart. A heart that circulate the process.
To be able to do that, the heart must work properly, beat properly."
The thing that is involved in my theory there is the exact opposite of you're quote: to have no blood, to have no pulse, they must NOT have a 'working heart'.
i think we are having a misunderstanding....
I really want to read Diane's comment but it is way too long. Can you at least write them into some paragraphs?Twilight's vampires do not have sweat, tears, blood besides that which they ingest not their own blood. blood. They have saliva or sort of and the venom. mouths wet, at least. The blood they drink makes them strong.
The blood they drink run through their old blood system and makes their eyes soften, but there is no blood circulation.
Note: Don't try to be logic about the whole Twilight's explanation. I ignored the awful fantasy world of Twilight series to be able to enjoy reading its romance.
Icantreadwhyamihere wrote: "heres one for ya: what did vampires evolve from?"You mean in the Twilight world? I have no idea. I'm not sure SM discussed it or not.
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Also, to address the werewolves questions: Yes they are shifters. It just so happens that the only shifting they can do are into wolves (hence "werewolf" but it was stated that there were actual werewolves of the non-shifting kind).
Nurlely wrote: "I really want to read Diane's comment but it is way too long. Can you at least write them into some paragraphs?Twilight's vampires do not have sweat, tears, blood besides that which they ingest ..."
i take it by 'romance' you mean bella whinging a lot, as thats the only 'romance' i noticed.
Icantreadwhyamihere wrote: "The thing that is involved in my theory there is the exact opposite of you're quote: to have no blood, to have no pulse, they must NOT have a 'working heart'.i think we are having a misunderstanding...."
Uhmm....I think there is a misunderstanding between us.
I actually came from your Capital letter one.
Icantreadwhyamihere wrote: "YOU NEED BLOOD TO HAVE AN ERECTION
I took it you said that they have blood, etc, etc.
Nurlely wrote: "I really want to read Diane's comment but it is way too long. Can you at least write them into some paragraphs?"
That's not my explanation, that's SM's, it's posted in a website of affiliated to her.
Short version:
Throughout the vampire's body are many versions of venom-based fluids that retain a marked resemblance to the fluid that was replaced (from their human form), and function in much the same way and toward the same purpose.
The normal reactions of arousal are still present in vampires, made possible by venom-related fluids that cause tissues to react similarly as they do to an influx of blood.
Diane *Ahnnihilate* wrote: "Also, to address the werewolves questions: Yes they are shifters. It just so happens that the only shifting they can do are into wolves (hence "werewolf" but it was stated that there were actual werewolves of the non-shifting kind). "Werewolves change during full moon, and only a few can change outside that (HP series), and they become wild and lose their humanity when they change. Shapeshifter can change when they want to. In Twilight, the quantity of shifters is based on the vamps. They do not lost their humanity to that change.
Icantreadwhyamihere wrote: "i take it by 'romance' you mean bella whinging a lot, as thats the only 'romance' i noticed."Oh my...do not start with that. It will get worse.
The romance I meant is the love between Edward and Bella, not the over protective boyfriend and the annoying girlfriend part.
dam, all these good theories and stuff..... but I think that there's only one person who has the answer to this question and that would be Stephenie Meyer herself, and I'm not that eager to find the answer -_-
Diane *Ahnnihilate* wrote: "Throughout the vampire's body are many versions of venom-based fluids that retain a marked resemblance to the fluid that was replaced (from their human form), and function in much the same way and toward the same purpose..."It did not explain why the venom did not kill Bella during their intercourse if all the human's body fluid eas replaced by the venom-based fluid once they became vampires.
@Alexandria: What I posted is SMeyer's answer. It is a bit lengthy but here is the LINK.Check the Vampires and pregnancy part.
@Nurlely:
Yes it did not, but my theory is that because venom is the general term referring to any variety of toxins, it doesn't necessarily mean that this would be fatal to humans (which would in any case probably depend of many factors). Since venomous seminal fluid carry genetic information and is capable of bonding with a human ovum, I would assume that its venomous properties are rather mild since it was designed to be capable of pro-creation with humans.
Diane *Ahnnihilate* wrote: "@Alexandria: What I posted is SMeyer's answer. It is a bit lengthy but here is the LINK.Check the Vampires and pregnancy part.
gee thanks, so the answer is backed up by a legend 0-0, good to know!
It's inspired by a legend and backed-up with fake science. You can't go wrong with fake science. :) I'm fairly satisfied with the made-up stuff, but probably because I have very little knowledge of biology.
Icantreadwhyamihere wrote: "i dont think it is actually marble that their skin is made of..... "Twilight vamp' skin is actually marble stone. Edward's face cracked when it hit the floor during his fighting with Felix (Is it Felix? I forgot).
Diane *Ahnnihilate* wrote: "@Nurlely:Yes it did not, but my theory is that because venom is the general term referring to any variety of toxins, it doesn't necessarily mean that this would be fatal to humans (which would in any case probably depend of many factors)..."
SM should have made the teeth as the poisonous part, not the fluid, instead of having venom based fluid that can change into a mild or non-fatal venom based fluid according to the activities needed.
Icantreadwhyamihere wrote: "when a mummy and daddy love each other veeeeery much ;)"Are there even mummies in Meyer's world?
I guess we'll find out when Bells and Ed honeymoon in Egypt.
they created a baby the normal way ... put B in slot A
Now we know> :)Diane *Ahnnihilate* wrote: "@Alexandria: What I posted is SMeyer's answer. It is a bit lengthy but here is the LINK.
Check the Vampires and pregnancy part.
@Nurlely:
Yes it did not, but my theory is that because venom is th..."
Well as far as I know, men keep producing sperm forever. Its women who have bodies that stop being able to produce eggs with menopause. And depending on which vampire theory you go with, some vampires do have blood ( e.g. The Sookie Stackhouse novels). So I guess it all depends.
Diane *Ahnnihilate* wrote: "Here is the explanation SM put up:Vampires are physically similar enough to their human origins to pass as humans under some circumstances (like cloudy days). There are many basic differences. Th..."
Can I add that you not only cry when something scratches your eyes but also when something gets in your eyes..and even vampires can get things in their eyes. People also tend to cry when they are sad..yet vampires can't do that. So there is the question that if vampires have venom in their eyes similar to tears..how come they can't cry when they are sad, or have something in their eyes? I stopped reading your paragraph after that because I figured the rest could be picked apart and disproved so it wasn't worth my time.
EWWW!! WHAT A WEIRD QUESTION...I DONT LIKE ALL THIS PERIOD N SPERM STUFF.....WHAT THE HELL...ARE U ALL TALKING ABOUT....AREN'T YOU GUYS ASHAMED OF HAVING A DISCUSSION LIKE THISSSSSS!....REALLY PATHETIC!...WHAT'S GOING OOONNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!
~Silence, and the End~ wrote: "Ya that's what I thought. The poison ate away at all his blood and stuff..which is why changing into a vampire is so painful. If he doesn't eat or drink..doesn't have to pee or any of that how can ..."WHAT THE...HELLL!
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