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I gave it my best shot. I even gave it an extra 50 pages on my "Page 99 Rule". It's just not working. I must be in the 0.0001% of the population that just doesn't get the big deal with this lady's books. Lisa, Jill, I'm going to have to bail on this read. Just looking at the book is making me want to throw it at the wall.
Good luck, Jill! And I'm very sorry, Lisa, I know you love this book. This is going to have to be one of our rare disagreements. *hugs!*
Sans, come over to the dark side..we've delicious werewolves!
Not to worry, Sans! I may never get back to
((((hugs back atcha))))
Anomander wrote: "Sans, come over to the dark side..we've delicious werewolves!"LMAO! I think she wants a cowboy right now. ☺
And if he sings, all the better! Right, San?
Is someone talking about smexy singing cowboys? I volunteer to investigate any such sightings. Strip searches will be employed and gleefully carried out.
LOL! You Good night! I'm going to bed and dream about cowboys. ☺
Also, instead of cowboys..wouldn't Scottish werewolves do?
Anomander wrote: "*giggles* What am I missing?"I've got a thing about cowboys and I love country music. Singing cowboys make my heart go pitter-patter and other body parts go tingly. ^o^
Anomander wrote: "Also, instead of cowboys..wouldn't Scottish werewolves do?"Oh damn. Monkey wrench in my plans for Hereafter and Anna Dressed in Blood! Shoot.
You guys are starting Changeless on Monday?
Jill wrote: "You'll need a hand with that, right Sans? "Oh, definitely! Someone needs to hold the camera. XD
Sans wrote: "Anomander wrote: "*giggles* What am I missing?"I've got a thing about cowboys and I love country music. Singing cowboys make my heart go pitter-patter and other body parts go tingly. ^o^"
I wouldn't say no to a hot steaming bowl of Keith Urban, either!
Oh damn. Monkey wrench in my plans for Hereafter and Anna Dressed in Blood! Shoot.You guys are starting Changeless on Monday?
Yeah, if Liad's still going for it.
Luke Bryan. And Blake Shelton (post-mullet, of course).
Yes, if you can, Jill. Chapters 17 – 19.
I'm right here, Jill!
Lisa Kay’s Answers to Jill's Questions for Chapters 17-19
41. Gage. *sigh* I have no idea really why he's so arrogant and nasty initially. But I find him intriguing. Ever met a guy like this in real life?
He thought she was a “sugar baby” feeding off his father, which is why he was such an a$$hat. I have met a couple. Powerful, sophisticated and handsome – with a dollop of entitlement.
42. What were your thoughts when you (first) read the part where Gage sees the picture of Diana? Did you know why he acts this way?
Man-oh-man! Good question. I’ve read this story so many times I’m trying to remember what my first reaction was. Something pushed a button when he saw her.
43. These chapters mark a real change in the book for me with Gage taking center-stage for the first time. What did you think of Gage supplanting Hardy as the hero?
Yes. Gage **sigh** is pretty dreamy. It is such a subtle shift though, as Hardy has been out of the picture for so long.
44. Carrington is taken with Gage (as I am). Why is that when she was so stand-offish with most men before?
Yes, he is a good person and she senses it.
45. The Kiss. On my goodness. Can this author write a scene or what? Please tell me your thoughts on the kiss in the butler's pantry. *pant,pant*
YES! Kleypas has a way of writing a scene. I wish I could write like that. Just full of swoon-worthy emotions. Love the scene in the butler’s pantry. But Kleypas has been setting it up for pages. And Liberty is hot under the collar over that zip line, so her blood is already pumping full of adrenaline. I love that Liberty snipped at Churchill too, before storming inside, LOL! Makes it so much more real. I like that Gage has her backed into a corner – literally and figuratively. He can back me up into one any day.
46. Almost immediately after this Gage takes off to see Just Dawnelle. *shudders* What did you make of that (when you first read it)? Is he trying to just avoid Liberty or is there more to it?
I had mixed emotions – I was happy and unhappy b/c I didn’t know WTH was going on. I was leaving it in Kleypas’ hands and I wasn’t too happy about that! I’m not answering that last question until you really want me to, LOL!
Jill wrote: "When I get stressed out from reading a book like this. Or watching a scary movie. You know, that sort of stress that's not real stress? I eat! At the moment I feel like a cross between a blimp and the Michelin man! "Oh, dear! Drink a glass of water. Take deep breaths. ☺
@ Jill#41 - Yeah, he was probably pissed he found her attractive "too" (since he though his father was bonking her).
#43 - Awww. I ♥Hardy♥ too!
#44 - I have read her earlier books - and when back when too! I remember she was always a "back-up" author; if I couldn't find anything in the bookstore from my favs, I'd grab one of hers. Then... her books started changing. And I perked up and started paying attention. It was really neat to see/notice.
**snicker** ☺
#46 - Yeah, did he have you worried? I was almost convienced that is what he was going to do b/c Churchill got so happy... but I wasn't 100% positive.
Jill wrote: "Might be the one time I could accept it!"FOFLMAO!
Yes, it is one thing I like about a good "buddy read" - that it can make a book I wouldn't normally read more palpable. Nice.I don't like triangles theme romances either. I think that is another reason I didn't buy this book for the longest time. But, there is a market for them, that is for sure. I have read a couple of menages that I have like, though.
Jill wrote: "I was cross-eyed for weeks afterwards."LMAO! Yes, some are truely terrible and I wonder if a man wrote them. I did read Colters' Woman - but it gets worse, I understand. I DID NOT read it, but I read the reviews for Colters' Daughter. It is really icky as they have a daughter that grows up and gets into a menage... and discusses with her dads - icky, icky... (oh, why not go for the third) ICKY!
**Lisa Kay tilts sideways in her chair LOL! and snorting.** You're killing me, Jill!
Lisa Kay’s Questions for Chapters 20 – 22 47. What did you think of everyone’s complicity in the dinner set-up between Gage and Liberty? Did you see it coming? Who was the most obvious, the sneakiest?
48. I know it drove us crazy at the time, but were you impressed that Gage broke up with Just Dawnelle in person instead of over the phone (or – God forbid – text message)?
49. “I realized right away nothing was going on. I figured any man who slept with you would never let you out of his bed.” What did you think about Gage’s “provocative” statement? Is this foreshadowing?
50. “I just want to make sure you’ve lowered your expectations.” What emotions were you feeling when Liberty told Gage she was bad in bed? Did you think Gage handled that declaration well?
51. What was your favorite line from the whole seduction/bedroom scene?
52. Hardy! No need to comment further, unless you want to; I already know the effect that name had on you – and me!
53. Were you surprised that Hardy had gone to Marva to try and find Liberty?
54. “Darlin’… I know what you look like when you’ve been kissed.” What did you think of Gage’s statement. Direct yet gentle?
55. Were you surprised Liberty disclosed so much about Hardy to Gage? What about this statement: “Don’t,” Gage said, his calmness vanishing. “I’d do almost anything for you. I think I’d kill for you. But I’m not going to comfort you while you cry in my arms over another man.”
56. What did you think of the limo sex? ☺ What kind of sex do you call that? Not exactly angry sex or make-up sex, was it.
57. Were you surprised Gage wanted Liberty to see Hardy? Sans sex, of course. Was that a smart move?
@ Jill#47 – LOL! Well, I thought Churchill was the most obvious – he used the Sherman Tank approach – and Gretchen was the sneakiest. The whole book club thing cracked me up.
#48 – I thinks Sans said she got a text message from some dickhead. Some
#49 – Now, Jill. Anytime a guy say “bed” it is provocative.
#50 – LOL! Choose both!
#51 – All great lines!
#52 – Wow! Really? 24 hours? Poor baby. Why did Kleypas do it to us? You’ll have to read my review when you are all done with the book, let me know what you think.
#53 – Yes, I was a little surprised. He was tracking her down, though.
#55 – Yes, the “BM” can get a little worn out. I know how you feel about wanting Gage to comfort Liberty, but understanding his perspective. Pulled in two directions, that.
#56 – Oh, Jill, I like that! Desperate sex.
#57 – Totally agree with you. Smart man.
@ Jill#48 - Oh, yes. We use that term here. Hey, you used it the other day without the ***
#49 - LOL!
#52 - Glad I used the spolier function, then.
Sure, if you want, Jill.
Fine. I'll compose some. I may take a nap first, though.
Lisa Kay’s Questions for Chapters 23 – Epilogue 58. Churchill and Vivian in a brawl? Whoa. Comments?
59. Did you like Liberty setting boundaries with Churchill when he started about her about her love life? What about when she did open up to him a bit? Was this a contradiction?
60. What did you think of the horseback riding with Hardy? Were you surprised Gage was at the house when then got back? Do you get the feeling that Hardy and Gage understood each other better than Liberty did either one of them? Comments on their interaction?
61. Did you know that Liberty let something slip when she was talking about the biofuel to Hardy? Or later was it all a total surprise.
62. What about the private investigator? Did that blow you out of the water?
63. What did you think when Hardy told her about Diana and Churchill’s affair? Were you doubtful – even for a minute – about Carrington’s paternity? Did you believe Hardy or think he was trying to sway Liberty?
64. What about Liberty’s confrontation with Gage? Were you surprised she went to his apartment? Was his “giving” and not receiving in the bedroom significant at that crisis point in their relationship?
65. And next she takes on Churchill; and he tells her about his history with her mother. “I went after her with everything I had.” Comments on Churchill’s relationship with Diana.
66. At that point were you surprised that Carrington was NOT Churchill’s or did you know him better by then?
67. Could you blame Liberty for being angry at Churchill over the scholarship to the beauty school?
68. So now you know that Gage followed his dad once when he went to meet Diana. Does that answer your question about why he treated Liberty the way he did at the beginning?
69. And last, but not least, she takes on Hardy! Whoa. This girl has cojones, right? Did Hardy have a valid point about the biofuel being just a little deal to Gage? Were you disappointed in Hardy? What did you think of his parting words?
70. This woman is on a mission. Next she is off to see Gage again. Would you have gone to such lengths if you had the resources? Were you happy about Gage’s faith in Liberty?
71. I want a ranchette! Comments on the epilogue and who she ended up with.
@ Jill#58 – True. Vivian was probably the one who went all ballistic. But I bet C held his own.
#59 – Yeah, Churchill was a bit of a “nosey old lady” - LOL!
#60 – Hmmm. Liberty not being much of a rider? That seems to trigger a memory for me too. And, yes, for not liking triangles, I LOVED that part too, LOL!
#62 – Men! is right. I think Gage was just used to using whatever method and power he had. Talk about crossing a boundary.
#63 – I’ve read this several times and I count it up to “playing telephone” – someone, somewhere messed up/expanded on the info or was jumping to conclusions. Was it Diana? Miss Marva? Hardy? I don’t think Hardy deliberately lied to Liberty.
#64 – Oh, yeah!
#65 – Good point. Still, I think Diana held a special place in his heart b/c he was much younger and she was the “one that got away.”
#67 – I thought he could have done more for them too. LOL!
#68 – Oh, yes. Gage has a ruthlessly cold streak in him.
#69 – You are right, to Gage the biofuel was a big deal to him. It was personal.
#70 – I love epilogues too, especially if done right. **sigh** But, yeah, she pulled the rug out from under us on that one, which didn’t set well with some people. . About Kleypas breaching those romance conventions? – maybe she’ll redeem herself when you read Blue Eyed Devil?? Let’s hope.
Lisa Kay’s Answers to Jill’s Overview Questions about Sugar Daddy for Lisa Kay 1. Sugar Daddy is set in 1991 (I think) at the beginning of the book. (It mentions the first Gulf War on television.) Why do you think Lisa Kleypas set her contemporary back then?
I think Kleypas knew she was going to write Blue Eyed Devil - which I understand is one of her personal favs - and Smooth Talking Stranger, so she was allowing for the timeline to fall into place, ending in the current time (end of STS).
2. How do you feel about Lisa Kleypas setting Sugar Daddy up with two heroes? (You already know my feelings.)
Man-oh-man! I am not into triangles at all, so that was another reason I didn’t want to read the book, way back when. However, this one worked for me. Maybe it was the “Liberty against the world” theme that was a big part of what did it for me.
I will add that I understand why Sans and others stopped reading this book. I probably would have to, except I had it at work on one of those rare nights when we were over-staff – which only happens once in a blue moon. (We were staffed for and awaiting overflow traffic casualties from another hospital that never showed up as they were diverted to a Trauma 1 hospital.) I had nothing else to read – and kept reading.
Sometimes that happens, a “Romancelandia Don’t” book becomes one of my favs – if the author has enough talent to pull it off. Mary Balogh is another writer that can usually persuade me to change my mind about one of my rules, so I will often try one of her books after reading the synopsis of a book I would usually avoid.
3. Have you ever been to Houston? Or maybe Texas?
LOL! Okay, I was born in Texas (on a naval base). I was there briefly – for a few diaper changes – before going to Rhode Island and to Southern California, where I was adopted when I was 4 ½ years old.
4. Does the way LK describes Texas do it justice? (If you know that is.)
I went back to San Antonio, Texas for a nursing convention recently and I would have to say yes.
5. She describes Texas men quite vividly. Do you know if Texans are really as she describes them? Are they different to other American men? And do they all say “Darlin’”?
Texas men are “legendary” in this country, and I would say there is variety in everything. But at their core, yes they have a “big as Texas” image to uphold. I don’t know about the “darlin’” – but I dated one once (while he was in California for work) and he only used it occasionally.
6. How do you compare Hardy and Gage? Do they come across as two totally different, well-developed characters to you? Who's your favourite and why?
Love them both, but Gage was perfect for Liberty. Yes, both very well developed. I say that with a bit of restraint, as we actually get to know Gage more in the next book too. I, personally, would want my own Gage; I like the cool, powerful, professional type who can be gentle and open with the people they love.
7. What is it about Sugar Daddy that resonates with you so completely?
Good question. It has so many of my “Romancelandia Don’ts” yet still manages to overcome them. I not a big fan of chick-lit – of which I think this is a hybrid. I think it is definitely more chick-litish than the next two in the series. If I have to read chick-lit, let it be a book by Kleypas! I would have to say Liberty is a huge part of why I love this book so much. She has so many things I love in a heroine, innocence, honesty, smarts (i.e. emotional intelligence), determination, shyness, stunning beauty, loyalty to family, and she can cook! (I love cooking.)
8. Are you as enthralled with the other books in this series?
Well, I have to confess I have read Smooth Talking Stranger many more times than Sugar Daddy (which I’ve re-read from when Churchill openly entered Liberty’s life on, umpteen times). I just love Jack Travis, my favorite hero, and he beats out Liberty (my favorite heroine) in my heart. While I do like to re-read books – especially from long ago and with more mature eyes & heart now – a book comes a long every few years that I latch onto and re-read
Lisa Kay’s Questions for Chapters 1- 31. Was it just me, or did the opening line of Sugar Daddy grab you? Do you have a personal childhood experience of not understanding death or separation?
I can't honestly say that it grabbed me because I really don't remember what it was. No, I can't recall a childhood experience where I didn't understand death or separation.
2. What do you think of the title of this book? What is the significance of it and Liberty Jones starting off talking about the lack of a father in her life?
When I see or hear the word "Sugardaddy" I think of a really old man with a very young girl in which she is only using him for his money. I don't see any significance unless there is another meaning behind the term "Sugardaddy"
3. What is your impression of Diana Jones? What about Liberty’s relationship with her beautiful mother? Did any one thing stand out about her?
As I know very well, it is hard to be a single mother. She would probably be a very good mother if she wasn't a single parent trying to support the family. I'm not sure what to make of her relationships with all the men. Is she the one with the "sugardaddy" is or is that in reference to Hardy and Liberty?
4. Did you get a real feeling or sense of adolescent attraction between Hardy and Liberty? Was their dialogue believable? Was there anything you found especially memorable?
The only feeling or sense of adolescent attraction was one sided- Liberty liking Hardy. No I didn't find the dialogue all that believable. Teenagers don't say I am 14 & 3/4 old or 17 & 2/5 old. A lot of teenagers hate fractions so why would they use them. What I found memorable and rather unbelievable was Liberty's lack of concern for her appearance and hygiene. Most girls her age are shaving their legs and pits which Liberty obviously isn't. They are also reading the girly teen magazines finding out all the beauty tips and tricks as well as all the latest fashions. The author did a very poor portraying a teenage girl because at the age Liberty should be concerned about her hair and eyebrows. With the descriptions of Liberty she sounds like she is a middle school aged girl maybe between the ages of 9-11.
5. What is your impression of Louise Sadlek, the trailer park owner? Filp, Diana’s boyfriend? Which one is the superior – for lack of a better word – “catch,” per say?
They both are losers. Louis is a womanizer and Flip is a bum. You have both ends of the spectrum when dealing with these two. I would do without if I had to pick from either one of them.
6.Was it easy for you to imagine the conversation that took place between Miss Marva and Liberty’s mother over the dress she made? What archetypal role is Miss Marva providing for Liberty?
No, the author was to sketchy and I couldn't imagine the conversation between Miss Marva and Diana. I would have to say the archetypal role would be grandmother.
7. First person POV is not my favorite. You? Does it give you more of a sense of knowing Liberty better?
I usually like first person POV but LK just isn't delivering it very well in this book. And no, it isn't giving me more of a sense of knowing Liberty better. I'm not feeling/liking this author's writing style :( I am getting a sense that this is more chick lit or women's fiction than romance.
8. People argue over whether or not this is a chick-lit book or a contemporary romance; what is your opinion so far?
I am getting a sense that this is more chick lit or women's fiction than romance. If it's romance it definitely hasn't started out like a romance--contemporary or any other sub-genre of romance.
Sans' questions for Chapters 4-6
9. "If you've been kissed even once, I'd be amazed." That sounds incredibly cruel to me. Why would he say that?
Maybe because he sees how immature she is...acting like she is 10 or 11. I too thought is was really cruel.
10. Quite the transformation with that little makeover at Bowie's, but it makes me sad how much emphasis is placed on a girl's appearance alone. How old were you when you had your first major makeover?
Ohhh I see finally that LK decided to make the characters act like normal teenagers...a bit late wasn't she????? The make-over was a little too over the top for a 14 yr old. True she should be interested in her hair and make up and her appearance but the make-over was just too much. One time my mother and I went to a flea market and there was a Mary Kay rep there and she was giving away a free make-up party package. I put my name in the box and a couple weeks later I got the call that I won. So one evening me and a few friends gathered at my house and the Mary Kay lady came and we got to play with the make-up and she gave us free samples of stuff and gave us some tips. That is as close to a make-over I have ever gotten LOL I was 16 I think.
11. Basketball. Fascinating. And teenage romance. How is this comparing to any YA books you've read?
I thought this was an "adult" book but finding it like a YA book/middle school romance. Not at all what I expected.
12. As first kisses go, that was pretty good. But I'm concerned Hardy is going to be a teenage obsession that lasts the rest of Liberty's life. I know you both have read this before, but what were your thoughts the first time you read this? And why didn't Hardy think to ask Liberty to come with him? Why assume she'd want to stay in Welcome the rest of her life?
I am seeing where this could be turn into a lifelong teenage obsession and everything that is happening has been extremely predictable. Hardy seems to be on the selfish side and likes jumping from one woman to the next. He doesn't want to be tied to just one. He may have made that assumption because of the baby and Diana.
13. Looks like Diana isn't so thrilled about the baby. Has she even held it yet?
I don't think she was happy about the unplanned pregnancy. I'm wondering if she is suffering from postpartum depression. It's a little too convenient to let Liberty care for the baby so she can carry on with her prostituting,bed hopping or whatever it is she is doing.
@ ♥Robin♥Yeah! You’re here!
#2 – Yeah, the title of this books sucks the big one.
#3 – Yes, you might have something there. Liberty’s mother was always looking for her ‘sugardaddy.’
#4 – Well, I always said 14 and ¾ ! LOL! Not every girl is into grooming at that age. Most, but not all.
#5 – Wise woman.
#8 – Yes, very strong chick-lit overtones.
#13 – You are probably right about the PPD.
Lisa Kay wrote: "@ ♥Robin♥Yeah! You’re here!
#2 – Yeah, the title of this books sucks the big one.
#3 – Yes, you might have something there. Liberty’s mother was always looking for her ‘sugardaddy.’
#4 – Wel..."
Lol yeah I am here!!! I decided to do this one as one of the BR for the 7% challenge. I had this book sitting around for quite a while...started it once got aggravated with it put it down and now I am back to it :)
Lisa Kay’s Questions for Chapters 7 – 914. In chapter 7, the math homework scene, what did you think of Hardy telling Liberty he would do anything and that staying away from her was for her too? Is it also for him?
He is such a tease. I think he knows what her feelings are for him but he wants his freedom and that is more important than her.
15. Well, Diana is on antidepressants. What do you think of post-partum depression and the use of chemicals to change your mood?
I don't think anything would make Diana happy. She doesn't seem to know what she wants or how to get it. A lot of women have postpartum depression and it normally goes away on it's own. Diana hasn't led the best of lives but only she can change things to make it better and she going about it the wrong way. I think she is one of those females who thinks that a man will make her happy and that isn't necessarily true. I think under the care of a doctor and taken properly medicines are ok.
16. What do you think of Liberty giving her virginity to Luke? How much of a catalyst was seeing Hardy with the blond girl to this action? (You can answer in percentage, if you desire.) Did she learn nothing when she was disappointed that Luke’s kisses were nothing like Hardy’s? Is this a good example of why teenage sex is fraught with impulsive decision-making?
What a very stupid move on Liberty's part. But what can you expect when you have a mother like hers. I think she was just using the Hardy scene as an excuse and maybe as a way to try to hurt Hardy.Apparently she didn't learn a thing. She is seeking love and the feeling of being wanted but she is totally going about it the wrong way. Sex and teenagers is not a good combination.
17. What is the significance of Liberty putting Carrington in her bed after that disastrous experience with Luke? She has established a pattern here, in more ways than one.
The sense of being needed/wanted/comforted. Is this a sign of co-dependency.
18. Well, I knew Louise Sadlek was going to reappear. Ugh! And Diana is showing an interest; what does this say about Diana’s state of mind?
Seems like she is co-dependent also. She seems to be seeking love and companionship but settling for whatever comes along which is often a sign of being desperate.
19. Does understanding Hardy’s background give you any insight into his reasoning for resisting his softer feelings for Liberty?
Nope!!! He is a selfish coward.
20. Have you ever experienced a situation where a non-sexual act was somehow more intimate than a sexual act?
I wouldn't go as far as saying more intimate but it can be just as intimate.
21. Were you happy that Liberty finally told Hardy off? Did you cringe over some of it? Were you surprised that he said she was his?
Yes I was. He just seems to stringing her along at his convenience. No I wasn't surprised as that was just another way for him to get her hopes up.
22. “But I’ve never regretted the things I said nearly as much as the words I left unspoken.” Do you have unspoken words you regret keeping to yourself?
No not really. I tend to blurt out everything I want to say good or bad.
Lisa Kay’s Questions for Chapters 10 – 13
23. “The sight of a sullen teenager is common no matter where you go. Teenagers want things so powerfully and can never seem to get them, and to add insult to injury, people make light of your feelings because you’re a teenager.” I love the opening sentences to Chapter 10. So true, IMHO. Were you sullen at times as a teenager?
I don't know that I was ever sullen. But I was a normal teenager with those raging hormones and extreme mood changes...happy,sad,mad,stupid that could change in a split second.
24. Diana’s relationship with Louis Sadlek was so sad; especially since she almost got away, breaking it off with him right before the end. You could see this woman slowly deteriorate. Comments. What about Liberty’s comment about their relationship being pleasure vs. punishment.
The sad part about her deterioration was that she LET it happen. Nobody could change that but her. She was always settling for second best because she was too impatient to wait for the good things to come. I agree the relationship was pleasure vs punishment but apparently more punishment than anything.
25. Were you surprised by the death of Diana? Where you suspicious about who really paid for the Monet casket? Who was in that black limo and what about the roses? Not to mention the suddenly additional place for another scholarship applicant.
No I wasn't surprised. This book is pretty predictable. Liberty taking over her sister's care from the beginning was an obvious clue that something was going to happen to Diana.
26. What do you think about Liberty excitement about being a hair stylist? Should her goals be higher? Or do you admire her desire to elevate herself and her work ethic?
It was mentioned earlier in the book that she enjoyed doing hair and make-up so I think this would be a good fit for her. She needed something quick to support herself and Carrington plus it's something she enjoys. I think people should set and achieve their goals based on their own needs and desires not society's thoughts and standards of what high/low standards/goals are. Nobody knows better than yourself what you NEED to do and there's nothing wrong with seeking guidance but the ultimate decision should be the individual's.
27. Did you think the scene about the scratchy legs was cute? What about their having no insurance and Carrington’s croup scare? What is Liberty giving up for her sister? Do you admire her or think she should turn Carrington over to someone better equipped to take care of her?
Liberty is sacrificing a lot in order to keep herself and her sister together. It's not always going to be easy but when you love someone you do whatever it takes to care for them. No, I don't think Liberty should turn Carrington over to someone else. I think that would case more emotional/psychological damage that is unnecessary.
28. How do you feel about people who settle for “second best” with regards to their love life?
People who settle for second best often come across as desperate or impatient. They are rarely ever happy and often times they regret their decisions.
29. Before people assumed Carrington was Liberty’s and she had her “too young.” Now they think Liberty is Carrington’s nanny. Is this an inconsistence in Kleypas’ writing – or just that now people can see the obvious differences between the two of them (and know nothing about genetics)?
IMO I think this is an inconsistency in Kleypas' writing.
30. Thoughts about the date with Mike? Carrington’s “lucky penny” scene? Are they due for some luck?
Mike wasn't the right person for her. He was still picking up the pieces from his marriage and Liberty may have been just a rebound relationship for him. He made it perfectly clear that he wasn't looking for anyone with extra baggage because evidently he wasn't over his wife and didn't want anything serious.
They are definitely due for some luck.
@ ♥Robin♥#14 – On one of the several rereads of this book, it hit me you are right. Of course, he is so very, very young.
#15 – Yes, I’ve met woman like that. Sad. Again, I think you’re right.
#16 – Understatement! LOL!
#19 – LMBO! Okay.
#22 – **hee hee**
#23 – Ah, hormones. The bane of a teenager’s life. Then they come back to haunt you during menopause! Eep!
#26 – Very well said.
#30 – Very true; Mike wasn’t over his wife.
Lisa Kay’s Questions for Chapters 14 -1631. What did you think of Churchill Travis? Did Kleypas paint a clear enough picture of his character? What do you think about the relationship that has developed between him and Liberty? Did her initial relaxed nature around him seem believable?
Churchill Travis seems like your typical rich old man. Kleypas did ok painting the picture of his character. She could have gone into just a little more detail. The relationship between Liberty and Churchill is nice. At least he is trying to be her friend, not expecting anything from her nor asking her for anything. UMMMMMM no it didn't exactly seem believable. She's never been around that class of people so I expected more nervousness, leeriness and for her to be a little frightened by his attention.
32. What are your theories about the relationship Churchill has to Liberty? To Carrington?
I think Churchill has some kind of plan up his sleeve. After all his sons aren't married. I think his relationship for Carrington is a means to get what he wants from Liberty. If he has a great relationship with Carrington then that earns him brownie points from Liberty.
33. What was you impression of Tom Hudson? What about the sex? Did Angie’s 68 analogy crack you up? How about the way that Liberty broke it off; was it smart to do it on his turf? If you broke up with someone in the past, did you ever plan the logistics like that?
I didn't really care for Tom Hudson. As far as the sex goes all he cared about was getting satisfied and to hell with Liberty. I have heard the 68 analogy before(or something similar) so no it didn't crack me up. Yes I think she did the right thing when she broke it off with Tom. OH yeah, more than once have I planned out the logistics of ending a relationship.
34. What did you think of Gretchen? Do you think Churchill was really being ignored?
I like Gretchen. No I don't think Churchill was being ignored. He is just very independent and lacks the patience it takes when you are dependent upon someone else.
35. Were you surprised Churchill offered Liberty a job work for him? Could you understand her desire for an insurance card? What about her moving into his home?
Nope, wasn't surprised at Churchill's offer. This book is way to predictable. It's a story that has been told many times before. Yes I could understand her desire for an insurance card. I think Churchill is really trying to help her and cares about her welfare as well as Carrington's so offering her a better job with benefits as well as a place to live was his way of saying I care but expect nothing in return(sexual or otherwise) except your hard work which she is being compensated for. I still think he has something up his sleeve in regards to one of his sons.
36. How did you think Liberty and Churchill’s children interacted? What about Gage? What did you think of just Dawnelle?
Well, not very well as I think his children especially Gage thinks she is just after his money and his using Churchill to be her "Sugar Daddy" Gage is a little protective of his dad and wants to make all the decisions which at this point in time he has no right to interfere. Dawnelle is just a better than thou WITCH.
37. Have you ever been in a social situation where you felt “outclassed?” Did you take a deep breath and shake yourself out of it? Do you think Liberty held her own, despite – or because of – her honesty?
No...I am a firm believer no matter how much money you have no one is better than anyone else. We all put our pants on the same way..one leg at a time :) I have worked for some pretty wealthy people and just because they have money and material things doesn't make them any better. The wealthy put on a great act when in the eyes of society but if you could see the things that go on behind closed doors you would see how lower classed they really are. Yes Liberty held her own.
38. What do you think of the interaction between Churchill and Carrington? Is it believable that Churchill could look back on that “road not taken” with his children?
Churchill is absolutely wonderful with Carrington. Yes, I can see where could look back on that "road not taken" with his own children. When parents are raising their own children those roads not taken are far too many simply because parents are working trying to support the kids and it is often a struggle. But when parents get older and have grandchildren things are a little less hectic and there's more time as many of them are retired and staying at home.
39. Whoa, baby! How about Liberty and Gage’s confrontation? He’s a tad arrogant, right? Good thing she learned not to run from pit-bulls, even if they are “kennel-bred, pedigreed.”
Gage is being cautious as he is trying to figure out what is going on between Liberty and Churchill. I think he is making sure that Liberty isn't using Churchill for his money and probably wondering if she is a thief/con-artist. If your family was very wealthy like that wouldn't you be a little on the defensive/cautious side if some stranger just moved in like Liberty did.
40. Did you like Mr. Ferguson’s advice to Liberty? If so, what part rang truest? What would you do in Liberty’s situation?
Yes I liked his advice. He was right that she should go for what she wants/thinks is right for her and not what to see what someone else thinks she should do. I would go for it.
Jill's Questions for Chapters 17-1941. Gage. *sigh* I have no idea really why he's so arrogant and nasty initially. But I find him intriguing. Ever met a guy like this in real life?
Yes I actually have.
42. What were your thoughts when you (first) read the part where Gage sees the picture of Diana? Did you know why he acts this way?
OOPS...actually I read it but didn't really pay that much attention to it.
43. These chapters mark a real change in the book for me with Gage taking centre-stage for the first time. What did you think of Gage supplanting Hardy as the hero?
I never really cared for Hardy to much but I liked Gage from the moment he stepped into the picture.
44. Carrington is taken with Gage (as I am). Why is that when she was so stand-offish with most men before?
Kids seem to know who is good and bad.
45. The Kiss. On my goodness. Can this author write a scene or what? Please tell me your thoughts on the kiss in the butler's pantry. *pant,pant*
LOL no big thoughts on this one besides we knew it was coming. I haven't been impressed by this author's scenes as I stated before she's pretty predictable and formulaic. These scenes have been written before and much better.
46. Almost immediately after this Gage takes off to see Just Dawnelle. *shudders* What did you make of that (when you first read it)? Is he trying to just avoid Liberty or is there more to it?
I had the suspicion that he was going to see Dawnelle to end the relationship with her.
Lisa Kay’s Questions for Chapters 20 – 22
47. What did you think of everyone’s complicity in the dinner set-up between Gage and Liberty? Did you see it coming? Who was the most obvious, the sneakiest?
I definitely saw it coming. The author gives to many clues and hints of what is to come. Her writing is very predictable and formulaic to other books. Churchill was the most obvious because he was too persistant and none of them were sneaky.
48. I know it drove us crazy at the time, but were you impressed that Gage broke up with Just Dawnelle in person instead of over the phone (or – God forbid – text message)?
No, I wasn't impressed. In person break ups seem to be a standard for this author. It probably would have been a little more exciting if it was in some other form.
49. “I realized right away nothing was going on. I figured any man who slept with you would never let you out of his bed.” What did you think about Gage’s “provocative” statement? Is this foreshadowing?
Well, obviously he knows a good thing when he sees it. Yes I do think this is foreshadowing. When he gets her in his bed he is never letting her out :)
50. “I just want to make sure you’ve lowered your expectations.” What emotions were you feeling when Liberty told Gage she was bad in bed? Did you think Gage handled that declaration well?
She is very insecure due to her 68 lover. Gage is very knowledgeable when it comes to women. I'm sure he could turn the worst lover into a gold mine if that is what his intentions are.
51. What was your favorite line from the whole seduction/bedroom scene?
Didn't really have one.
52. Hardy! No need to comment further, unless you want to; I already know the effect that name had on you – and me!
UGHHHHHH...I knew the love triangle thing would eventually appear. This book already has its downfalls so the author is going to make it worse by bringing Hardy back????
53. Were you surprised that Hardy had gone to Marva to try and find Liberty?
No, where else would he go?
54. “Darlin’… I know what you look like when you’ve been kissed.” What did you think of Gage’s statement. Direct yet gentle?
He knows how to get his point across.
55. Were you surprised Liberty disclosed so much about Hardy to Gage? What about this statement: “Don’t,” Gage said, his calmness vanishing. “I’d do almost anything for you. I think I’d kill for you. But I’m not going to comfort you while you cry in my arms over another man.”
No I wasn't surprised. She doesn't know when to keep her mouth shut and keep things to herself. Go Gage!!! I don't blame him one bit for saying that to her. I wouldn't comfort her either.
56. What did you think of the limo sex? ☺ What kind of sex do you call that? Not exactly angry sex or make-up sex, was it.
Gage means business and knows how to handle it. A Grudge (insert the "F" word here).
57.Were you surprised Gage wanted Liberty to see Hardy? Sans sex, of course. Was that a smart move?
Nope...he is allowing her to see what she will get and what she will miss if she chooses Hardy the A$$. I think it was a smart move.
Lisa Kay’s Questions for Chapters 23 – Epilogue58. Churchill and Vivian in a brawl? Whoa. Comments?
Churchill appears to attract the attention the ladies so I can see Vivian arguing with him.Churchill takes everything in stride so it probably doesn't bother him.
59. Did you like Liberty setting boundaries with Churchill when he started about her about her love life? What about when she did open up to him a bit? Was this a contradiction?
Even though they are friends Churchill doesn't have to know everything.Some things people just don't want to share. Yes, it was a bit of a contradiction.
60. What did you think of the horseback riding with Hardy? Were you surprised Gage was at the house when then got back? Do you get the feeling that Hardy and Gage understood each other better than Liberty did either one of them? Comments on their interaction?
I don't like Hardy coming back into the picture. No I wasn't surprised by Gage being at the house. Yes, being in the business they are in they have probably had dealings with each other before and even heard the gossip and talk about each other through the grapevine.
61. Did you know that Liberty let something slip when she was talking about the biofuel to Hardy? Or later was it all a total surprise.
I had a suspicion that Hardy was seeking information. He knew that Liberty had a weakness for him and how to get what he wanted out of her. Liberty has changed but in some aspects she is still that young girl Hardy knew years ago. I was wondering why she was telling him inside information about Gage's work and knew something would come of it.
62.>b? What about the private investigator? Did that blow you out of the water?
No, that didn't surprise me either. Gage knows what type of man Hardy has become and probably wanted to make sure that Liberty was going to be ok.
63. What did you think when Hardy told her about Diana and Churchill’s affair? Were you doubtful – even for a minute – about Carrington’s paternity? Did you believe Hardy or think he was trying to sway Liberty?
Being what the title of the book is, I wondered if Churchill was Diana's "Sugar Daddy" or linked to her some other way. I was doubtful about Churchill being the father. I got the impression that he was faithful to his wives and couldn't imagine him being intimate with Diana. No I didn't believe Hardy. I haven't really liked him and thought that he was a snake in the grass.
64. What about Liberty’s confrontation with Gage? Were you surprised she went to his apartment? Was his “giving” and not receiving in the bedroom significant at that crisis point in their relationship?
Nope I wasn't surprised. Deep down I think Liberty knew she loved Gage but she just needed that closure with Hardy to move on. No I really don't think that it was significant because they both already knew they were meant for one another although Liberty wouldn't admit to it yet.
65. And next she takes on Churchill; and he tells her about his history with her mother. “I went after her with everything I had.” Comments on Churchill’s relationship with Diana.
This is why Diana probably was in the condition she was in. She had everything, let it go, was miserable, searched for Churchill in other men and never found it. I think Diana realized the mistake she made and therefore she was always settling for second best because Churchill was BEST.
66.At that point were you surprised that Carrington was NOT Churchill’s or did you know him better by then?
Nope wasn't surprised. I already knew he wasn't the father because Churchill just wasn't that type of man.
67. Could you blame Liberty for being angry at Churchill over the scholarship to the beauty school?
Actually she should have been very grateful. She was poor and it was a hand up not a hand out. She needs to let go of some of that bull-headed pride and accept the help when she truly needs it. Such a stupid girl sometimes.
68. So now you know that Gage followed his dad once when he went to meet Diana. Does that answer your question about why he treated Liberty the way he did at the beginning?
That still doesn't excuse his actions. He made assumptions and we all know what that does.
69. And last, but not least, she takes on Hardy! Whoa. This girl has cojones, right? Did Hardy have a valid point about the biofuel being just a little deal to Gage? Were you disappointed in Hardy? What did you think of his parting words?
I don't like Hardy and I was right about him just trying to pump Liberty for info. Big deal or little deal to Gage, Hardy is a snake in the grass trying to get what he wants however he can get it without any remorse of who he may hurt along the way. JERK!!!!
70. This woman is on a mission. Next she is off to see Gage again. Would you have gone to such lengths if you had the resources? Were you happy about Gage’s faith in Liberty?
No, that was just a bit over the top. Yes, Gage has known all along what would happen with Hardy so it just laid everything out on the table for her and watched as it all unfolded.
71. I want a ranchette! Comments on the epilogue and who she ended up with.
Once again, as predictable as this book is it was rather obvious that Liberty would end up with Gage, married babies on the way etc etc. Very formulaic to chick-lit/romance. I wish authors would step out on a limb and come up with endings of their own. Not ones that have been told thousands of times before.
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