James Potter or Severus Snape?

[Hina]

On other discussions there's been quite a debate between these two people. This discussion is to compare and express your opinions on both. Which one do you think was the better man? Was Severus Snape really the bravest man that Harry knew? Feel free to ask questions of your own.

[KB]

I wouldn't consider Snape to be brave persay but he definetly was the better man. Snape loved Lily, was kind to het and, if she had friends the book didn't talk about, probably them too. Whereas James never got to know Lily, he probably just liked her for her looks. Snape also helped Harry out in all the books. James was a good person, don't get me wrong and Snape has done his share of bad thing but all things considered, including how they were brought up, Snape to me was the better man.

[Hina]

I'm going to disagree, I think James was the better man.

Lily did have friends in her school days, Alice Longbottom (nèe Prewett) was her friend, so was Mary MacDonald, Dorcas Meadowes, Marlene McKinnon, Emmeline Vance and possibly Hestia Jones. Along with the Marauders, Frank Longbottom and others.

How can you say that James never got to know Lily? He spent 7 years with her in school! James didn't just like Lily for her looks. If it was just for looks why did he keep perusing her for seven years? Why didn't he just give up? James loved Lily and would never have done a single thing to hurt her unlike Snape. Snape is good character but horrible person.

[[deleted user]]

Right after reading Order of the Pheonix I began to dislike James and after reading the Deathly hallows Snape became my favourite character.

Would James have done the same?
Would he have protected Lily and Snape's child?
For some reason I think he wouldn't have.

So to answer your question: Severus Snape.

[Hina]

But why would Lily have married Snape in the first place? She disliked him. They severed their friendship in fifth year and Snape went on to become a Death Eater with his friends and continued to study the Dark Arts, why would Lily have married him if he was supporting her types eradication? Lily didn't trust him so that possibility would've been completely out of the question.

[[deleted user]]

ϟHinaϟ wrote: "I'm going to disagree, I think James was the better man.

Lily did have friends in her school days, Alice Longbottom (nèe Prewett) was her friend, so was Mary MacDonald, Dorcas Meadowes, Marlene M..."

all that is true but Snape did always love Lily, and im pretty sure he was the first Wizard she knew.... he always looked afta Harry...even if he acted really nasty to her face.... he was always in the background and loved and looked afta Lily

[Hina]

Alexa wrote: "ϟHinaϟ wrote: "I'm going to disagree, I think James was the better man.

Lily did have friends in her school days, Alice Longbottom (nèe Prewett) was her friend, so was Mary MacDonald, Dorcas Mead..."

Yes, Snape was the first wizard she knew. Lily wanted to keep being friends with him but he chose his Death Eater friends over her. Well the fact that he was 'nasty to her face' and 'looked after her in the background', if he was nasty then she has every right to hate him.

[~*Just Slytherin Along w/ The Creatures*~]

I think Lily forgave Snape inside because she knew he was better than that. I do think he is the bravest man Harry knew because he saved an innocent child: Draco. The Elder Wand is usually given to the one who defeats the original owner, correct? Remember how Voldemort gave Draco the task to kill Dumbledore. He couldn't do it though, so Snape had to. The wand didn't belong to Snape, it belonged to Draco, and Snape knew that. He still took his life for him. Harry, witnessing this act of kindness, finally knew he was good. Deep inside, Snape loves Harry, but is afraid to admit it. He didn't want him to die because he thought Lily would be mad at him. Plus, I hate James for what he did to Snape, just because he was a Slytherin. Therefore, Snape is the better man.

[Jazz]

ϟHinaϟ wrote: "Alexa wrote: "ϟHinaϟ wrote: "I'm going to disagree, I think James was the better man.

Lily did have friends in her school days, Alice Longbottom (nèe Prewett) was her friend, so was Mary MacDonal..."

If I'm not mistaking, J.K. Rowling stated that had Snape been such a baddy, Lily would have eventually learned to love him. I honestly think Lily wanted to forgive Snape for the mudblood comment. In The Prince's Tale, when Snape was apologizing with all his might, when he said that while he didn't necessarily she as a 'mudblood' and what it applies, he saw everyone else that. Which he didn't deny. It was then that she finally left him standing in the doorway. If she hadn't wanted to forgive him, I don't think she would have went out there to hear him out in the first place. But, then she did and finally realized that Snape was heading down a path she couldn't follow, so she let him go.

[Jazz]

Avada Kedavra! wrote: "Deep inside, Snape loves Harry, but is afraid to admit it. He didn't want him to die because he thought Lily would be mad at him. "

I think Snape truly hate Harry because Harry was so much like his father.

In regards to the topic, say Severus Snape. I admit that Snape was a horrible person and did awful things. But, I tend to give him a bit leeway, given his horrid childhood and the fact that Lily was most likely the only person who ever loved him, and people are a product of their experiences. Heck, in the end, we found out that even Dumbledore was using Snape all along. I think the reason Snape followed the Death Eater path was because the Dark Arts was something he was already familiar with when came to Hogwarts and all the baddies finally presented themselves as a group of people he could fit in with. Whereas, all of Lily's her golden Gyfinndor friends most likely would have never accepted Snape.

Then on the other side, we have James who bullied people (not just Snape), not because it was what his friends did, but because he generally enjoyed it. And you honestly never got to see whether or not he actually felt bad for the awful things he did. You got see Sirius and Remus ashamed of themselves, so I don't hold their idiocy against them as much. But at the same time, they didn't hate Snape just because he was crushing on the same girl as they were.

[Carol]

I really have a hard time choosing between the two they both died for honorable causes and died protecting someone else .Both of them were amazing characters in the book and knowing that snape in the book and it all coming together in the movie to reveal who he really was made him the stronger of the two to route for . I felt for snape because he was always alone from day one even as a child and up until the end . Snape never had anyone in his corner he was just known as the bad guy .So maybe i did choose lol Snape for sure .

[Hina]

Avada Kedavra! wrote: "I think Lily forgave Snape inside because she knew he was better than that. I do think he is the bravest man Harry knew because he saved an innocent child: Draco. The Elder Wand is usually given to..."

Draco was never 'innocent'. So Snape didn't 'save' an 'innocent' child. It was all Dumbledore's plan, he knew he was going to die anyway and knew about Voldemort's plan for Draco to kill him so he asked Snape to do it instead.

And yes the Elder Wand was in Draco's possession but Snape wasn't there at the time when Draco disarmed Dumbledore so you are wrong in that sense. Snape didn't know that the Elder Wand belonged to Draco. And do you really think that Snape would have stood a chance duelling Voldemort even if he knew?

Harry looked at Snape's memories, he only felt sorry for Snape because he was dying. If I saw a person I disliked dying I would still be pretty sad. This brings the point where James saved Snape from Werewolf!Remus and saved him from dying.

No, Snape hated Harry. It's a fact, there's no deep inside business. He hated Harry. And Snape didn't want Harry to die because Harry was Lily's LAST remaining memory. That's the only reason.

The reason why James was bullying Snape was because he was a Dark Arts fanatic. All of his friends were. And what did they become? Oh yes, Death Eaters. Snape and his friends also like to pick on muggleborns/Hufflepuffs and James actually matured.

[Hina]

Dani wrote: "ϟHinaϟ wrote: "Alexa wrote: "ϟHinaϟ wrote: "I'm going to disagree, I think James was the better man.

Lily did have friends in her school days, Alice Longbottom (nèe Prewett) was her friend, so ..."

Okay, yes. I agree with you on that, because that is what JK Rowling had said but it would not have happened since Snape had chosen the wrong path etc.

[Hina]

Dani wrote: "Avada Kedavra! wrote: "Deep inside, Snape loves Harry, but is afraid to admit it. He didn't want him to die because he thought Lily would be mad at him. "

I think Snape truly hate Harry because ..."

I don't think I could use his horrible childhood as an excuse since Sirius Black was brought up under the pureblood mania and he turned out...fine is the wrong word but he turned into a good person.

James matured and stopped hexing people for the fun of it but Snape didn't. Also not condoning this but Sirius was the one who told Snape about Remus's problem and James ended up saving him.

[Jazz]

ϟHinaϟ wrote: "I don't think I could use his horrible childhood as an excuse since Sirius Black was brought up under the pureblood mania and he turned out...fine is the wrong word but he turned into a good person."

Sirius had James and all his other friends to keep him from the Dark Arts. Still, Sirius's childhood wasn't horrible at all. Besides, Regulus was a Slytherin and it was because of him that they were able to find Salazar Slytherin's locket.

I'm not making excuses, but Snape bullied people because honestly it's all he pretty much knew, being horrid to others. Yes, James saved Snape, but I still feel he was an awful guy and I would rather have heard from his own lips that he was truly sorry for things he had done in his past.

I know I sound a little hypocritial when I say I can't get past James's bullying but can look past Snape's. But what I'm pointing out is that I feel James was a spoiled kid who knew better. Whereas Snape was an abused kid who didn't and never received the chance to change. So, by the time he was an adult it was too late. I honestly can't think of anyone who could have endured, quite literally, a lifetime of non-stop abuse and no love whatsoever without coming out a bitter and unkind person.

[Hina]

Dani wrote: "ϟHinaϟ wrote: "I don't think I could use his horrible childhood as an excuse since Sirius Black was brought up under the pureblood mania and he turned out...fine is the wrong word but he turned int..."

But Snape had Lily and she could've helped but he just pushed her away. And Regulus changed in the end and realised his mistake. James was spoiled and got the shock of his life when he didn't get what he wanted but he did mature whereas Snape didn't. He held a grudge for so long and had gone to far, beyond repair.

[Jazz]

ϟHinaϟ wrote: "Dani wrote: "ϟHinaϟ wrote: "I don't think I could use his horrible childhood as an excuse since Sirius Black was brought up under the pureblood mania and he turned out...fine is the wrong word but ..."

I don't fault Snape too much for what happened with the 'mublood' incident. People say stuff they don't mean when they are angry and embarassed. Again, I go back to Snape's upbringing. He wasn't able to recognize love/friendship when it was shown to him. And seeing as to how it was that one person, among so many others around him who were just as misguided, I can see how he missed his chance.

[Jazz]

Vrsh wrote: "And then again, he was such an 'OILY' nerdy kid. Nobody giving him any importance while others getting hero-worshipped. You get to feel slightly sorry for the little guy,but what to do? Its James g..."

I wouldn't side with him. He was a stupid jock. I'd befriend the nerd.

[Hina]

Dani wrote: "ϟHinaϟ wrote: "Dani wrote: "ϟHinaϟ wrote: "I don't think I could use his horrible childhood as an excuse since Sirius Black was brought up under the pureblood mania and he turned out...fine is the ..."

But he shouldn't have said that in the first place, it ruined his friendship and I'm going back to Sirius and his upbringing. If he didn't recognize it, that was his fault you can't blame that on another. You can't say that Snape's Death Eater friends were misguided. They were all psychopaths!

[Jazz]

ϟHinaϟ wrote: "Dani wrote: "ϟHinaϟ wrote: "Dani wrote: "ϟHinaϟ wrote: "I don't think I could use his horrible childhood as an excuse since Sirius Black was brought up under the pureblood mania and he turned out....."

I can't really fault for saying it, because he wasn't in his right mind when he did. I don't feel Sirius had the means to be anything like Snape. Other than a wacked-out mother and evil family members who he ignored and who ignored him, the guy didn't have a hard life. He wasn't abused and when he was kicked out, he had James to turn to. Snape didn't have that. I don't feel you can fault him for not realizing what Lily couldn't have given, because you can't expect a person to recognize something they'd never before, or since after they'd mistakenly pushed it away. And basically, with Snape's Death Eater friends, I'm trying to say that he had very, very, very, very, very bad influences to go along with the tainted knowledge had before he began at Hogwarts.

That's my honest opinion, of course. Obviously, you and I have very different ideas and such, which is perfectly fine. But, I think you and I could have a private conversation that would go on and on like Jack Sparrow and Barbosa, LOL. But, bottomline is that I prefer Snape over James.

[Maggi]

Team James!

[Nikkie]

My vote's for Snape. Even from the first book I liked Snape not entirely sure why and as I read even though Harry idolized his father to me he came off as rather arrogant and like the quarterback in high school rather full of himself. Snape was a jerk groomed by a family who followed a twisted ideal and yes Sirius broke through that so we compare the two but Snape was a different man and in ways not as strong during the early parts of his life.

I always felt rather sorry for Snape, a man who loved Lilly so deeply and with such commitment. James while he was a good man I have no doubt to have won Lilly's heart, could not have rivaled Snape's devotion. To love her that deeply even so long after her death, thats something very special. To me Snape was the bravest man in Harry's life. He fought each day after Lilly's death to protect what she'd left behind in the world and though he was not the nicest person or the easiest to love he was motivated by love and devotion and that more then you can say for most people.

[Blues For Eden]

SEVERUS SNAPE <3
Snape saved Harry several times in the series. Snape hated Harry...He reminded him too much of James. James, whom he hated. But still, he continued to save his ass..uh, life, for Lily. Well, as for the childhood thing..I feel that even though Snape was with the wrong kind of friends, bullying him like that only made it worse.t's kind of obvious, a person who suffered from abuse all his life will not turn around his ways for a person who bullies him. Instead, he started being with his death eater friends, who probably treated him the opposite of the way James and Sirius did. I mean, first of all, Snape was jealous of James. And then, he starts trying to voo Lily, the only person Snape has ever loved. And that "mublood" thing can easily be excused. A lot of people say things they don't mean when they're angry. James not only humiliated Snape in front of Lily, but told him that he was saved because of her. Saying that would not only hurt Snape's ego, but every other man's too.
However the part I hate the most is that everyone hated Snape. Everyone hated him, from his childhood till his death. I feel that even though Harry found out about what Snape did, he didn't show enough remorse for misjudging him so. Yes, Snape may have mistreated Harry, but I felt that after finding out out about Lily and Snape, he should have felt maybe a little sympathy...

[Blues For Eden]

And I think Snape has more than redeemed his past misdoings..

[Hina]

Dani wrote: "ϟHinaϟ wrote: "Dani wrote: "ϟHinaϟ wrote: "Dani wrote: "ϟHinaϟ wrote: "I don't think I could use his horrible childhood as an excuse since Sirius Black was brought up under the pureblood mania and ..."

Haha, gosh yes. I think we won't change each others minds so we should leave it like this. Hopefully you don't think of James as an arrogant idiot and he has upgraded himself in front of your eyes.
Lol. :D Yes and I prefer James over Snape.

[Hina]

Guys, part of the reason why Snape had death eater friends was that he himself was interested in the Dark Arts. Yes his family was abusive or whatever but it doesn't mean Snape had to become a Death Eater, he had Lily. And Sirius was in the same boat. He recognised help when he got it so all that IS Snape's fault. You can't render him innocent just because he didn't recognise help from Lily.

Another thing: Lily chose James.

[Maggi]

yea really :) And James doesn't have the Dark Mark branded into his skin.

[Alyanna]

I Think Its Severus Snape .. and why?
He Is A Kind Man. He Is Soo Loyal To Dumbledore . and remember that harry read snape's mind? HE WAS BULLIED BY JAMES POTTER.. He Cares About Harry And SOO much more to Lily .. And At The Last Movie? HE EVEN HELP HARRY TO SOLVE HIS PROBLEM. and James? HE DID NOTHING. Except He Made Harry Potter. At the first Movie .. he hated Harry because he reminded of James . He Even Saved Harry At The Qudditch Game .. SO I WILL PREFER SEVERUS SNAPE :))

[Hina]

Alyanna Marie wrote: "I Think Its Severus Snape .. and why?
He Is A Kind Man. He Is Soo Loyal To Dumbledore . and remember that harry read snape's mind? HE WAS BULLIED BY JAMES POTTER.. He Cares About Harry And SOO much..."

First thing. Snape IS NOT a kind man. Yes, James bullied Snape because James was jealous that he was spending time with Lily, because he was interested into Dark Arts. Snape bullied people too, he bullied muggleborns.

He does not care about Harry, he only agreed to look out Harry because he was Lily Potter's son.

If you are basing what you're saying on the movies then you have got the wrong information. In the movies Snape was made to look like the hero and James left to look like he snatched Lily away. Lily fell in love with James entirely on her own accord! So yes, you need to read the books before you say anything about James.

James made Harry protected Harry from being killed and protected Lily as well from everything that Sev couldn't do.

[Hina]

Lily and James fought Voldemort three times, that's what it said in the prophecy so he definitely didn't do nothing.

[Cassidy]

James Potter all the way. Even though Snape and Lily were friends longer he did dark magic and Lily never approved. James was just overly proud. Also Snape called Lily a mudblood which is a no no.

[Hina]

Exactly and at least he got over his arrogance, Snape didn't.

[Mickey]

Vrsh wrote: "James was proud when he was in his teens...any teenanger would be...having what James had...looks and all"

James's overconfidence extended into his adult years. He was as responsible for Lily's death as Snape was.

He chose Wormtail to be their secret-keeper, even though, if he had thought about it, he would've realized that Wormtail was the sort of person who was attracted to powerful people. (It had been so with James's clique in school.) Sirius talked about it when they cornered Wormtail in Prisoner of Azkaban. James never looked at Wormtail and took his measure as a person, probably because he liked the adulation he got from him. Choosing Wormtail as the secret keeper instead of Dumbledore or Sirius was almost a joke, because Voldemort would've not thought that they would've chosen someone like him. It was almost as if they were treating the situation like a schoolboy prank. They weren't taking it seriously.

When we get a glimpse into Voldemort's mind on the night he finally came for the Potters, Voldemort spent much time being amazed at how overconfident James was. He was unprepared to defend himself or his family. He did not have his wand ready and had not put up any other charms except the secret keeping.

Now, if Snape, instead of James, had been Lily's husband and Harry's father, he would've done a much better job of protecting them. He wouldn't have trusted anyone. He would've taken them and ran to the remotest place and would've been hypervigilant in their protection. This could be the difference in how each man approached his problems. James was used to things coming to him easily. Snape was used to things being difficult and complicated. Snape, if he had been in James's position, would've kept Lily safe. Snape did more to keep her safe before she died than James did, including going to the opposition and giving Dumbledore a blank check as payment. He basically switched sides then in order to keep Lily safe.

[Hina]

Mickey wrote: "Vrsh wrote: "James was proud when he was in his teens...any teenanger would be...having what James had...looks and all"

James's overconfidence extended into his adult years. He was as responsibl..."

But Peter was one of James's best friend. Why would judge one of your best friends, you would trust them and that just proved how loyal James was. Lily didn't disagree either.

James didn't have his wand ready because there wouldn't have been any need to carry a wand in one's own house. Our point of view on Peter would have been different to James's because Peter was his friend and he couldn't have known what was going to happen in the future.

Snape might have protected Lily, but do you think she would've been as happy as she would've been with James? On top of that I don't think the Death Eaters would've taken kindly to Snape's muggleborn wife. Also Snape called Lily a 'mudblood' so it wouldn't have happened in the first place.

[BlackroseBlackheart]

I kinda agree with ϟHinaϟ in this one. I mean, sure, Snape may have come through in the end, but he hadn't always been very nice. I mean, I understand why, as he was neglected as a child and later bullied by James(even good guys are sometimes bad), but Lilly would never have been happy with him. Or at least as happy as she was with James. Snape should have gotten over her sooner. But, anyway, I can't decide if James was better or Snape. They're both okay in their own ways.

[WowSuzie]

I say Snape because he's just awesome (cuz in my mind he is always played by Alan Rickman). However, other reasons for my choosing Snape is because he has experienced the epic rise and fall of human nature, and was still able to come out on top. He chose to do good in the end, which saved Harry's life. Harry considered him to be a brave hero-type after he died; I wouldnt go as far as calling him a hero, but I would definetely say he was a brave man. In a sentence, he is more relatable to the human condition.

[Jazz]

BlackroseBlackheart wrote: "I kinda agree with ϟHinaϟ in this one. I mean, sure, Snape may have come through in the end, but he hadn't always been very nice. I mean, I understand why, as he was neglected as a child and later ..."

I see Lily as being the kinda woman to put her foot down and saying "No." So, maybe perhaps they would not have been isolated, but Snape would have been a great deal more cautious and careful of who he trusted with his/their secrets. Snape was a brillant man, so he would have been able to recognize someone for who they truly were.

[Jazz]

ϟHinaϟ wrote: "But Peter was one of James's best friend. Why would judge one of your best friends, you would trust them and that just proved how loyal James was. Lily didn't disagree either."

That never did sit well with me. James, I agree with Mickey. But with Lily, it's sorta hypocritical, because she let go of Snape (who was her very best friend at the time) because she saw how much he loved the Dark Arts. Yet, she wasn't able to see Peter as the traitorous mongrel for what he was? There's some serious inconsistency right there.

[Jazz]

ϟHinaϟ wrote: " On top of that I don't think the Death Eaters would've taken kindly to Snape's muggleborn wife."

If Snape and Lily had happened, their relationship would speak for the fact that Snape was no longer affiliated with the Death Eaters, because Lily would not have stood for that.

[Jazz]

Adrianja wrote: "Dani wrote: "BlackroseBlackheart wrote: "I kinda agree with ϟHinaϟ in this one. I mean, sure, Snape may have come through in the end, but he hadn't always been very nice. I mean, I understand why, ..."

He was. Making good decisions is a completely different thing. Snape was in no way a blind or stupid man, he just made a childhood of awful choice sthat backfired in adulthood.

Adrianja wrote: "Yeah. Things would have been different. But sometimes it's hard to ignore something you are interested in. Even once you give up something, there might be a relapse"

True, but look at what he did after she died. That pretty much shows what he would have been willing to do for her, because he loved her that much.

[Mercedes]

They are both men, therefore human, and had flaws as no human is perfect.
Snape was a good person, but made some bad choices that he thought was better for him, and in turn Lily. He thought that Lily would be impressed with him having a vast knowledge of dark arts and be compelled to be with him as he could somewhat provide protection for her because of her being muggle-born. He was wrong to take out his anger of Lily's death on Neville, and to take his anger of not being the man Lily chose on Harry. He essentially became a bully, but spent the rest of his life trying to fix his mistakes.

James. There is not much that I can say about him since not much is known. We have only seen glimpses, and they are somewhat biased since they were in Snape's memories. He was a bully, but became a good person when he realized how horrible he was being. One thing I would like to have revealed on Pottermore is what made him change, and how he and Lily got together.

I think that maybe he did Lily for her looks at first, then was drawn to the challenge, and found himself having actually fallen in love with her in the end, so he was truly elated to be with her in seventh year and on until their deaths.

I think it was sad for Snape that Lily chose James, but I also think that she was right in choosing him because it was her decision, and Lily does not seem the type to take it lightly. I think that in another Alternate Universe, if Lily had chosen Snape, he would have been happy, but I am not so sure if Lily would have been.

I like to think that maybe Snape is "with Lily" in heaven or paradise or whatever, and that Lily AND James have forgiven him because of all that he has done for Harry, and that James finally understood Snape and vice versa because they understand each other because of the woman they both love.

[WowSuzie]

"How can it be said he was a good judge of character when he had Death Eater friends??"

Snape didnt really have any true friends with the exception of Lily - all the others, death eaters or no, were just people in his life - remember, he used all of the Death Eaters and betrayed them by spying for Dumbledore, for the greater side.

For the record, we were given a very narrow scope of James' personality and endeavors. In the end Harry regarded both men to be respectable, hero-type figures in his life, so in that sense they both belong on equal footing.

[Jazz]

Mercedes wrote: "I think it was sad for Snape that Lily chose James, but I also think that she was right in choosing him because it was her decision, and Lily does not seem the type to take it lightly. I think that in another Alternate Universe, if Lily had chosen Snape, he would have been happy, but I am not so sure if Lily would have been."

Well, it like you said, it was Lily's choice. Had she chosen Snape, I'm sure she would have been happy, because she wouldn't have married him if she didn't love him. Nor if she did love, but didn't want to marry him. So, if there would have been an alternate universe with Snape and Lily married, they both would have been happy. Because Lily would not have settled for anything less.

[Mercedes]

Dani wrote: "Mercedes wrote: "I think it was sad for Snape that Lily chose James, but I also think that she was right in choosing him because it was her decision, and Lily does not seem the type to take it ligh..."

Good point.

[Hina]

Dani wrote: "ϟHinaϟ wrote: "But Peter was one of James's best friend. Why would judge one of your best friends, you would trust them and that just proved how loyal James was. Lily didn't disagree either."

Th..."

Peter was a good person when he was in school. It was Sirius who suggested Peter as the Potter's peacekeeper because he thought that no one would suspect a weak person that he was. That doesn't mean I don't blame him for selling his best friends out. It just means that he was corrupted afterwards, James, Sirius and Remus didn't know. No one did.

Okay let's say Snape and Lily happened. Snape would've still been the Death Eater, he would've still been devoted into the Dark Arts like he was in the beginning. Lily would've been unhappy, because if she couldn't make him change who could? It was clear since Lily's 5th year that Snape could not be changed from his path. If he wanted to quit being a Death Eater he would've had the same faith as Regulus Black. Snape couldn't grow out of his grudge even when he was a grown man, James changed, Snape didn't.

[Hina]

Mercedes wrote: "They are both men, therefore human, and had flaws as no human is perfect.
Snape was a good person, but made some bad choices that he thought was better for him, and in turn Lily. He thought that Li..."

In my opinion I think when Snape and Lily weren't friends anymore Lily began to see James more as himself than just the guy who was trying to impress her by making a fool out of himself. I think James was about to give up on Lily and when he finally did and stopped asking her out, Lily realised that she had slowly fell in love with him. The Head duties would've brought them closer as well. This is just speculation though, I don't really have much fact to base it upon.

[Jazz]

ϟHinaϟ wrote: "Okay let's say Snape and Lily happened. Snape would've still been the Death Eater, he would've still been devoted into the Dark Arts like he was in the beginning. Lily would've been unhappy, because if she couldn't make him change who could? It was clear since Lily's 5th year that Snape could not be changed from his path. If he wanted to quit being a Death Eater he would've had the same faith as Regulus Black. Snape couldn't grow out of his grudge even when he was a grown man, James changed, Snape didn't."

No, it's been proven that Lily would not have stood for a boyfriend (or friend) she did not approve of. Had Snape and Lily happened, it would have had to have been because he cut his ties with the Death Eaters. Lily would never have settled for an unhappy relationship. She was too independent and had too much of a strict moral code to put up with that kinda mess.

[Hina]

Dani wrote: "ϟHinaϟ wrote: "Okay let's say Snape and Lily happened. Snape would've still been the Death Eater, he would've still been devoted into the Dark Arts like he was in the beginning. Lily would've been ..."

That's just speculation. We know for a fact that Snape was too far gone into the Dark Arts to have cut his ties with the Death Eaters. We know that he chose his Death Eater friends over Lily. Lily/Snape never happened there are no 'ifs' to it.

[Stacy Renee]

I think it is hard to compare the two, becuase we know so much about Snape, and so little about James Potter. All I know is that he had to have been a good guy or Lily wouldn't have loved him. We only know little bits and pieces of James Potters life while we have been given 7 wonderful books to come to a conclusion of opinion on Snapes character.

[Jazz]

ϟHinaϟ wrote: "Dani wrote: "ϟHinaϟ wrote: "Okay let's say Snape and Lily happened. Snape would've still been the Death Eater, he would've still been devoted into the Dark Arts like he was in the beginning. Lily w..."

Alternate Universe remember? lol. Which part is speculaion? The fact Lily was a no-nonsense woman. Isn't her cutting ties with Snape and waiting to date James after his apparent maturation occured proof enough?