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Is Rosalies dislike for Bella justified? Why or why not?
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I think so because I completely understand why Rosalie dislikes Bella, then again it shouldn't be dislike, its really just jealousy.
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I think in her mind it's justified. But I don't think it is really. I think she's just jealous and wants bella's life...which is understandable considering what happened to her in her human life.
I think that Rosalies dislike for Bella is just being mad that Bella is getting all the things that rosalie herself has ever wanted, and bella just doesn't want them. at all.
They are just different. And they don't understand eachother, well Bella has some understanding for Rosalie. But Rosalie doesn't quite understand Bella or her reasons.
I can see how it's justified. Jealousy over that kind of thing can eat someone up inside. Although, I don't understand why Rosalie can't just adopt a baby, raise it, then give it the option of changing or staying human when it grows up. She could maybe even find someone who wants to become a vampire, impregnate her with emmett's sperm, let her have the baby, then change her into a vampire afterwards. I mean, there are options available to her.
Molly wrote: "I can see how it's justified. Jealousy over that kind of thing can eat someone up inside. Although, I don't understand why Rosalie can't just adopt a baby, raise it, then give it the option of chan..."But then the person who carries the baby would have to die giving birth and they would have to hold onto life as long as they can or they might die while holding the child.
Jazzmine wrote: "Molly wrote: "I can see how it's justified. Jealousy over that kind of thing can eat someone up inside. Although, I don't understand why Rosalie can't just adopt a baby, raise it, then give it the ..."not if they wanted to become a vampire....Like with the Voltorri (spell check). you know that they are going to knock up Humans, and turn them into Vampires. That would probably be the price for becoming a vampire. Having a half-child first
*Rose* wrote: "Jazzmine wrote: "Molly wrote: "I can see how it's justified. Jealousy over that kind of thing can eat someone up inside. Although, I don't understand why Rosalie can't just adopt a baby, raise it, ..."You have a good point.
*Rose* wrote: "Jazzmine wrote: "Molly wrote: "I can see how it's justified. Jealousy over that kind of thing can eat someone up inside. Although, I don't understand why Rosalie can't just adopt a baby, raise it, ..."That would be interesting. I could definitely see them experimenting with the idea of raising their own half-vampires for various reasons.
There are so many different ideas for Twilight but I think that would be an interesting turn in the book
Exactly...I can see another Twilight book in the making. It could be called; SolarStar or something idk. All about the Voltorri and they can Finally Battle! But I swear if anyone dies that I love I might Cry!!! Especially, Zafrini!
Well think of how things would change if that happend and Rosalie decsided to do that.. Big Change!
Cassidy wrote: "I know Rosali is kind of mean and all but she is my favorite character!! :D"But do you think the dislike is justified?
*Rose* wrote: "Exactly...I can see another Twilight book in the making. It could be called; SolarStar or something idk. All about the Voltorri and they can Finally Battle! But I swear if anyone dies that I love ..."
It'd be exciting to learn more about the other vampire covens and the Volturi. I'd love to read the story from the point of view of an experimental half vampire if Meyer wrote a story like that. There's a lot Meyer could do with the Twilight universe considering how many questions she left unanswered.
i understand why n is is justified she is jealous of her coz she wants to be human :)
I can understand y shes mad but she really doesn't do anything tht terrible 2 her......
I can understand y shes a little ticked off but Rose really never doesn andything tht terrible 2 bella.......
Well I would feel pretty bad if the guy I loved sister treated me like crap.
Jazzmine wrote: "Well I would feel pretty bad if the guy I loved sister treated me like crap."haha right
Good point, but eventually she gets over it :)
Only because Bella has a kid of her own and Rosalie tried being the mother instead. But then she gets jealous again, but more...
In her mind she is justified and doesn't want Bella to give up her human life because she wishes she still had hers, but I honestly think it is Bella's decision and that Roalie should support her no matter what Bella's choice is
I don't think that jealousy is justified. Understandable, yes, but not really justified. Besides, she didn't get the baby. But what if she was infertal, or couldn't have a baby for one reason or another. They didn't have the technology in the 30s that they do now, so if she couldn't have conceived, then she would have had no options as a human. And, if she had stayed a human, she would have married the jerk, and never have had Emmett. So, while I empathize, I still think she got a good deal in all this.
Bella is just..anoying.
AlbertaJenn wrote: "I don't think that jealousy is justified. Understandable, yes, but not really justified. Besides, she didn't get the baby. But what if she was infertal, or couldn't have a baby for one reason or an..."I think that makes it all the more ironic and sad for her. Rosalie is used to getting all the superficial things she wants. Her family can give her cars, clothing, numerous weddings, several houses, any material possession she could ever dream of on top of eternal youth and beauty, but it cant give her the one thing she wants more than anything.
I wouldn't use the word justified, but I do understand why she feels the way that she does. She hates being a vampire and is jealous of Bella because she is a human.
Oh don't get me started. I absolutely don't like Rosalie. I agree with what a few of you are saying. In her mind, it's justified. But it's really jealousy. Rosalie is a selfish vampire, and she was a selfish human. It's always about her.
i agree she is quiet selfish
She doesn't really dislike Bella - she explains it herself. She was dying and wasn't given the choice of turning. She is mad with Bella because she thinks she is making a stupid decision. She had all her choices taken away from her and she wouldn't have chosen this life for herself and she just can not understand why Bella is so desperate to change. It makes absolutely no sense to her that Bella would choose to be a vampire. She sees it as Bella giving up her humanity, her future and she is still grieving for the loss of hers. She can't get past that to actually be friends with Bella.
Rosalie made up for it by supporting the pregnancy!
Jen wrote: "Rosalie made up for it by supporting the pregnancy!"I wouldn't call it "support" it's selfishness, finally she get's to have a child. Even if it's not her own. She never accepted Bella until there was something in it for her. Sorry, that's the way I see it.
AlbertaJenn wrote: "I don't think that jealousy is justified. Understandable, yes, but not really justified. Besides, she didn't get the baby. But what if she was infertal, or couldn't have a baby for one reason or an..."But there was adoption at that time. And she was going to marry into a very powerful and wealthy family, if she couldn't have children as a human, her husband could buy her one. It sounds harsh, but things like that probably happened more at that time, than it does now.
Bella rejects her own humanity because she can't bear the thought of growing physically older than 18. She throws away life because she sees no reason to live it. Life, real life which has aging pain and death built into it, is not something that she thinks is worth her time. Rosalie had her humanity ripped from her and she still mourns its loss.
Rosalie finds Bella's decision repulsive because it is selfish and life-denying
Let's say life is a carpet. Rosalie was so close to having a so-called perfect carpet and then it is yanked out from under her. And she is left on the frozen cold hard ground. Now Bellla is picking up her beautiful carpet and tossing it in the trash. Then sitting happily down on the ground. I can see where that might b frustrating for someone.
mmmm, i think i take Bella's side. i can see where Rosalie is coming from but to hate bella because she's jealous and has different values in a different stiuation? that's plain out-right cruel. but then bella, if i were her, i'd do the same thing, to be honest. i mean, i'm not all into love, but for a love like that, who wouldn't? Rosalie should also get over the past and live in the moment. she has someone who loves her, a family who will always be there and forever to share her happiness. if her prince back when she was humane didn't do that to her and they got married, she would be misrable and be dead by now. so she should see the bright side. she's alive and she is loved.
Mike wrote: "Bella rejects her own humanity because she can't bear the thought of growing physically older than 18. She throws away life because she sees no reason to live it. Life, real life which has aging pa..."I agree, Bella doesn't want to grow any older, but she'd still want to be a vampire no matter how old she was. It's a pretty petty reason to want to change. But it's not the only reason she wanted to change. I'll drop that now, cauz this discussion is not about Bella.
Yes, Rosalie mourns the loss of her human life. Carlisle ripped her humanity away from her without her concent.
But, don't put her on a pedistal for it. She did the exact same thing to Emmett, he didn't have a choice. She found him dying in the woods from a bear attack. She took him to Carlisle and made him change him for her. Because she wanted him. Selfish. Carlisle did it for her because he felt guilty about the way she feels. (guilt trip) Selfish.
Maggi wrote: "Let's say life is a carpet. Rosalie was so close to having a so-called perfect carpet and then it is yanked out from under her. And she is left on the frozen cold hard ground. Now Bellla is picking..."That's a nice way to put it, I like it. And I can understand why it annoyed Rosalie.
thx i got it from the whole "it got whipped out from under her" thing. :)
rosalie is just a spoiled beotch..used to getting all the attention..now pretty bella comes along and edward is smitten, rosalie can't handle it..she needs to get over herself..shes a vampire for christ sake..i thought her story was lame...
I wouldnt say she doesnt like him......i think she was just frusturated by him. They r not very close but she loves him as a brother :)
She does...go back and read the book ladies...carlise thought that rosalie and edward would hit it off when he transformed her..but edward didn't see her that way..one of carlise and esme concerns about edward being transformed to young..
Joy wrote: "rosalie is just a spoiled beotch..used to getting all the attention..now pretty bella comes along and edward is smitten, rosalie can't handle it..she needs to get over herself..shes a vampire for c..."That made me remember that Carlisle had originally created Rosalie, hoping that she would be a mate for Edward. But he never thought of her that way.
Things that make you say Hmmmmmmm. . . . . . .
Joy wrote: "She does...go back and read the book ladies...carlise thought that rosalie and edward would hit it off when he transformed her..but edward didn't see her that way..one of carlise and esme concerns ..."Yeppers!
This is a little off the posted topic, but it was mentioned earlier, so...I just wanna say that I've NEVER been able to buy the bull about Carlisle creating Rosalie for Edward- it just makes no sense. I thought that Carlisle was supposed to be empathetic, compassionate, and wise. So, if he knew Edward AT ALL, why in the hell would he think that Rosalie would be a good match for him? He picked nearly the opposite of what Edward would want- w/o even asking Edward. Can anyone else make any sense of this idiotic thought process of Carlisle's? I mean, Rosalie is the type of woman who will resent a little plain Jane human girl for attracting the attention of someone that Rose doesn't even want! Not only does that not sound like someone Edward would like, it doesn't sound like someone that Carlisle, Esme, Alice, Jasper, OR Emmett would like!I also always had a hard time buying the crap about NONE of the Cullens being happy. How exactly is it that they have EVERYTHING that any person could ever want (perfect health, immortality that still isn't so absolute that it traps you, money, comfort, a loving family, and a soul mate that most likely will never leave you), but "none of them have happy stories, or they'd be under grave stones?" I just can not understand any of them hating their existence. Maybe if they had no choice but to kill humans, but...that's not the case. I mean, Rosalie for example: how would we feel about a human woman who has everything in the world but can't conceive and therefore considers herself extremely unfortunate? Would we not tell her to get a grip? To think of the much much more unfortunate people all over the world? That procreation is not the only important thing in life? I also can't believe that Rosalie really loves Emmett when she admits that she'd give him up in a heartbeat just so that she could become mortal...if she really wants to die, why doesn't she just go die?
I mostly don't understand myself, b/c I normally just cannot abide by such gigantic plot holes, but I still inexplicably love the series!
Oii, Actually. Rosalie said it herself, she didn't love Edward she was taken aback because he wasn't interested in her. Plus she always loathed him because he was "prettier" then she was. at least when he was human
When she* was human, sorry
really? I got the impression that the Cullens had gradually rubbed off on her over the years and that she's actually LESS snooty now than she was as a human, but I'm not sure about that. I AM sure, however, that they knew exactly who Rosalie was and exactly what kind of person she was- remember, they knew each other before she was attacked...
of course not. it's Bella's life, not hers.I get she'd like her life back, but everything she can say is that Bella's a total idiot. Dislike is not justified
I might wouldn't have remembered about that myself if I hadn't just finished re-reading eclipse. they lived in the same area when rosalie was human. as rose stated above, part of the reason rosalie resented edward was b/c not only was he prettier than her (while she was human), he was immune to her beauty, which she did not take kindly to. also, when rosalie's telling her story, she says that while she was waking up after her change, she overheard carlisle and edward talking...she says that edward asked "rosalie hale?" with disgust b/c he knew that she was a shallow vapid girl. and carlisle replies along the lines of "I couldn't just let her die." so, yeah. I can't remember what town that they all lived in, but rosalie was acquainted with carlisle, esme, and edward (who was posing as esme's brother) before royce attacked her.
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