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Is Rosalies dislike for Bella justified? Why or why not?

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BGirl I think that Rosalie is totally justified. In Rosalie's eyes Bella seriously has it going on. She has a family that loves her, a boyfriend, friends, everything and she's throwing her whole life away to become a vampire. Rose didn't get a choice, and we don't know, she might have chosen to die instead of become a vampire. I think I might have, becoming a vampired and living forever on earth doesn't sound appealing at all to me. and I think that she's just kind of pissed that Bella is throwing all that away when that's all Rosalie's ever wanted.


message 52: by Adria (last edited Aug 29, 2011 03:14PM) (new) - added it

Adria I think its more frustration and envy more than anything. She is envious because Bella can still have a future, like having children and such whereas Rosalie can't. And its frustrating to her because she believes Bella is making the wrong choice. Rosalie is also envious that Bella has a CHOICE in the first place, because she never did.


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Adria Right its not really that she doesn't like Bella she just basically thinks she's being stupid, thats pretty much it. And although the book didn't really plainly say it, it kinda hinted, but Rosalie had to be green with jealously when she found out Bella was pregnant. That was the one thing she always wanted.


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Adria Yep, she took any chance she could to be near a baby lol.


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Adria Right, but after Bella starts telling the story again, it doesn't mention what happens. Maybe Rosalie came to terms with it because she could settle for being an "aunt" who gets to spend a lot of time with Renesmee.


Alondra Miller Completely understandable; I dislike Bella too!! How dependent, whiny and self=conscious can a person be?? She irritated me so bad, I had to force myself to read the 3rd book. I kept thinking through the 2nd book; why won't someone bite her. Sorry, but I really tried to like that series.... :(


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Dani I completely understand why rose dislikes Bella, it's because bell a has all the things rose ever wanted like the choice to stay human, and in rose's opinion she is making the wrong choice


message 58: by AlbertaJenn (last edited Aug 30, 2011 09:25PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

AlbertaJenn There is a bit of a difference between two, though. Rosalie saw her life as perfect, she loved being human. Bella feels a disconnect with other humans, even those she loves. She feels totally out of place in her human body, and sees the changes that happen when one becomes a vampire as only positive.

So each choice has pluses and negatives. Rosalie saw only good things about being human, while Bella saw only wonderful things about becoming a vampire. Even the bloodlust was a temporary set back, not a major detriment.

Both are right, neither is wrong. It is just about what each wanted to get out of her own life.


Donna Rosalie's dislike for Bella is not justified. Edward said that she was both jealous and worried about the protection of her family. On the family front, one could understand but shouldnt her anger be directed at Edward? Afterall he is the one who chose to risk their safety for the obsession he had with Bella. And for me, jealousy is not a justifiable reason to dislike someone. It says nothing about the person you dislike, and everything about what you dislike in yourself.


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Liz at Fictional Candy I think both sides are justified, and that Stephanie Meyer did a really good job of showing us both sides. It's kind of hard to say which one is right or wrong. Rosalie didn't want to become a vampire, but that's what happened. Bella really wanted it to be with Edward. The same thing enabled one revenge and the other a never ending lifetime of love (we hope!). :)


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rose Extremely Ironic?! lawl


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Adria Donna wrote: "Rosalie's dislike for Bella is not justified. Edward said that she was both jealous and worried about the protection of her family. On the family front, one could understand but shouldnt her anger ..."

But I think it also shows that she cares about Bella to some extent because she doesn't want her "throw her life away" because thats what she thinks becoming a vampire is doing.


MissWhitneyB I don't think Rosalie necesarily dislikes BELLA, but rather, Bella's CHOICES. She seems to hate the fct that Bella is chosing the lifestyle that she said she wouldn't have chosen for herself. Rosalie was dying when she was changed, and no longer has the option of growing old and having chldren, which is something she really wanted pre-vapirism (not a word?? lol). Bella, on the otherhand, HAS a choice, and is choosing the less desirable of the two options (in Rosalie's opinion). It's like.... if a woman who glorifies LOVE sees a woman taking for granted the love of a good man, she instantly notes how stupid the woman is and how she doesn't deserve it. Same with Rose and how she thinks Bella's CHOOSING to be a vamp is 'stupid.' Make sense?? Just M.O.... :)


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Mansi i totally agree with you! bella can not choose who she can be at times that's probably why she hates her!
nice theory :D


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rose plus, Rosalie let Jacob kick her out of the room. While Bella was "delivering" the baby. So, she obviously didn't want Bella to die, as said in the book.


message 66: by Natalie (last edited Sep 05, 2011 01:50PM) (new) - added it

Natalie I can understand her dislike, but it can’t be justified. What someone else chooses shouldn’t have an impact on the way you perceive someone. Rosalie is extremely bitter that she never had the choice and is very jealous. She is still grieving what could have been, so she hates bella for it:


“…There would be no happy ending, as she’d promised. I wondered if this was why she had so much more bitterness in her than the rest of them—because she’d been within reach of everything she’d wanted when her human life was cut short” (Bella reacting to Roses’ story in Eclipse 158).

“Shallow as I was, I felt better when I saw my reflection in the mirror the first time. Despite the eyes, I was the most beautiful thing I’d ever seen….It took some time before I began to blame the beauty for what had happened to be me—for me to see the curse of it. To wish that I had been…well, not ugly, but normal. Like Vera. So I could have been allowed to marry someone who loved me, and have pretty babies. Tha’s what Id really wanted, all along…” (Rosalie, 162)

“…You see, at first, I was mostly jealous because [Edward] wanted you and not me….I was so used to people wanting me. And Edward wasn’t the least bit interested….But he never wanted anyone, so it didn’t bother me long…And then he met you…I just meant that he found you more attractive than me. I’m vain enough that I minded” (164-165)

When Rose explains why she hates bella:
“Don’t you see, Bella?...you already have everything. You have a whole life ahead of you—everything I want. And you’re going to just throw it away. Can’t you see that I’d trade everything I have to be you? You have the choice that I didn’t have, and you’re choosing wrong!” (166)

Another quote to show how vein Rose is:

Bella: “Would you like me better if I chose to stay human?”
Rose: “Maybe”

We can see how much vanity affects rose by the way she expresses how she ‘might’ like Bella if she stayed human. Thus, rose can’t be justified for why she hates Bella because of this reaction. We understand that Bella has everything Rose wanted, but you can’t hate someone for not having what they have; this is what we call jealously. Most families raise their children to not have this trait; therefore we can’t justify Rose for her own jealously. As a reader we can sympathize for her grief, but we can’t justify it.


Rachael Joy wrote: "She does...go back and read the book ladies...carlise thought that rosalie and edward would hit it off when he transformed her..but edward didn't see her that way..one of carlise and esme concerns ..."

She doesn't like-like him. She was just hurt that he didn't want her. Like everyone else did. He stood out. Imagine having all the guys falling over you and then this one guy is flat out rude to you and doesn't drool over you. And years later he drools over a less prettier girl(in rosalie's eyes) and now rosalie is sitting there asking herself what edward saw in Bella and not in her.


Connie I think her jealously is justified, and I'd say in her mind her dislike for Bella is justified, and I can understand why she doesn't like Bella. She has everything Rosalie can't, and her dislike for her choices in New Moon/Eclipse/Breaking Dawn is most definitely justified. But in a general view her dislike of Bella fist and foremost and how she treats her is not really justified, although I can understand her frame of mind in the matter.


Molly Rachael wrote: "Joy wrote: "She does...go back and read the book ladies...carlise thought that rosalie and edward would hit it off when he transformed her..but edward didn't see her that way..one of carlise and es..."

That can be especially difficult if the only thing you were ever valued for were your looks. I've seen it happen to people. Girls who have always been gorgeous grow up believing that is the only good thing about them, then they find out that someone doesn't believe their good looking. It can be a hard blow to take.


Rachael Molly wrote: "Rachael wrote: "Joy wrote: "She does...go back and read the book ladies...carlise thought that rosalie and edward would hit it off when he transformed her..but edward didn't see her that way..one o..."

Exactly. I mean, it is not like Rosalie has every right to act the way she does with Bella... it's just that from her own personal world, her own perspective, it is hard not to be the way she is.


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Natalie Kimberly wrote: "Natalie wrote: "I can understand her dislike, but it can’t be justified. What someone else chooses shouldn’t have an impact on the way you perceive someone. Rosalie is extremely bitter that she n..."

I completely agree that there are "other things" about her...but the question remains: is her hatred justified?
Let’s re-think the question: can we justify her behavior based on jealously and grief? Some may disagree, but I would say you can’t justify someone’s behavior from jealously because that’s a negative trait a person chooses to take on. I understand that this is not the life she would have chosen and she probably would have rather been left to die than suffer the ‘curse’ of not being able to have children and grandchildren. On the contrary, Bella has chosen this life. Two different people and two very-different outlooks on life. I can understand Rose’s hatred, but I can’t justify jealously, thus I can’t justify her hatred. I never will, regardless if it is a fictional character or a real person. Jealously is a trait that someone allows themself to have.

I’m not saying that Rose doesn’t have the right to hate bella, but I’m just stating why I don’t think we can justify it because it’s based on jealously. Imagine characters reversed for a moment: If Rose had the kindness of Alice and she was telling Bella not to become human because of the things you miss out in life such as children, grandchildren, etc we would be able to justify her dislike because I don’t think Alice would have jealousy, but rather concern. Alice would dislike bella because shes choosing wrong, not from jealously of what alice ‘could have had’ or from vanity that rose possesses. Its probably not the best comparison, but the bottom line is that jealously is never a trait that can be justified. If you are Christian than you may know that it is one of the major sins as well. I’m not flipping this into a Christian battle, but I’m just further emphasizing how jealousy can’t be justified. I would rather have someone envious before jealously.

Depending on the way you look at her character depends on how you will perceive her.Personally, I see rose as jealous and vain, thus I don’t justify it. If you can’t see this way at all than you will probably see it the opposite way.


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