Valar Morghulis--Valar Dohaeris discussion
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Jon also has a dream of sorts where he is fighting the Others with a red flaming sword. GRRM wants to drive us mad xD
Okay, this is partly why I always kinda thought Jon might turn into an actual Other and not be this good guy Dany lover everyone hopes him to be.In her dreams at the house of the Undying Dany sees
Glowing like sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue-eyed king who cast no shadow.
A lot of people think this is Stannis, and once I read that, I totally agreed, but my initial opinion was that it was either Robb Stark or Jon Snow resurrected as True Others or sentient Wights like Cold Hands. Maybe even the actual Coldhands as we don't know who he really is and could easily have been a King of the North at some point.
To get completel obscure, I've even considered the idea that Cold Hands was resurrected when Hodor stole the sword from the Crypts of Winterfell, which by old world beliefs were there to bar the spirit from leaving the tombs.
But...I have to say, even that is pretty much all opinion and Stannis does fit the bill almost perfectly.
Though GRRM is known to play up the Red Herring and burn us all to the ground with shock so.....it's pretty frustrating for me to say the least. LOL
Well Jon needs to come back one way of another and we know that both Ice and Fire can do that. If the word would have been "Kid" instead of King then many other people could have been. But yeah Stannis fits perfectly. He's a lie :(
I didn't know there were many people wishing for a Dany/Jon romance :O Personally, I don't see it. It would be REALLY weird and out of nowhere IMO.
Coldhands must a bad-ass of sorts I hope that will find out soon.
Yep, pretty much. We actually don't even need to look as far as that, Jon's a warg, he gets an auto second life pretty much.I was kinda surprised so many people were worried we was actually dead after I read DWD.
Well Robb was also a King and had blue eyes, but yah...Stannis. Way to damn perfect for that. I felt like an idiot after I read it online. It seemed very duh.
Yah, I know, tons of people want that shit to happen and the weirdest part is that these same people also hope they're related. WTF? huh? I mean, I get that Targaryens practice incest but they were mostly forced to do that, it's just messed in my opinion that so many people actually WANT Dany be having an incestuous relationship that ultimately degrades her genetic line. *eyeroll*
And yah...Coldhands. Cool character, hope we get some back story to him.
yeah don't get me wrong I personally would love a Dany/Jon romance but the problem is there are so many things that need to happen for that to be true.1) The R+L=J theory has to be true.
2) Jon has to still be alive after being repeatedly stabed.
3) He needs to get out of the NW and take up a new name.
4) He needs to gain an army and a good 1 not wildings they have no ranks like other soldiers.
5) He needs to prove his claim and establish supreme power.
6) Dany still is on the other side of the world.
7) Dany can't have kids so their wont be an heir. which means more war later.
I would go on but I think we get the point.
I don't see why R+L would have to true for them to have a romantic relationship.In my opinion it would have to not be true, since Jon isn't exactly into incest from anything I've read. He loves his siblings but not like that.
I mean, sure, Dany doesn't look negatively on it, but only because she was conditioned to have that reaction. Jon was raised in a setting where that was not condoned at all and I have a hard time believing he'd change his opinion simply because his Aunt is hot. He is supporting Stannis bid to the throne partially because he doesn't support incest.
Actually, I think that the only thing that needs to happen for Dany to have a romance with Jon is your number 6. Dany needs to be in Westeros, everything else doesn't need to happen for they to fall for each other and have a relationship.But, yeah that's a no, no for me. I prefer them to meet each other and be friends or something but not lovers :S that's too much cliche.
And you number 7... Well after what happened at the end of ADWD I don't know if that is true.
EDIT: Hahahha Amber won for a minute. But yeah. Same opinion. :)
Well, in Karlis defense I also support number 2.LOL
Jon being alive is probably going to be necessary.
Well, maybe not...Dany already did one basically dead guy.
Ha all good points and true. But I just don't see Dany going after Jon if Jon doesn't have an army. Dany turned down the entire Martell force because they weren't able to help her at the moment. At the moment Jon has no banner men and it would take a little or some huge event for him to gain a notable force. I just don't see Dany going into a marriage based only on love. Otherwise she would be married to Darrio by now.
I know that the show & book obviously have to be diff. but besides missing the gold tooth didn't Darrio look more like Fabbio? They really went off the reservation on him, the hilts of weapons, clothing, etc.. Just like with Asha, I think they messes up major with that no?Who knows with the books, but with the show as long as I see DANY getting her groove on with someone it will be nice, she's got SERIOUS talent... lol, living vicariously thru books & my online buddies who are not married haha.. get my mind out of the gutter a sec or 2
Show Daario looks exactly like Fabio. Book Daario is more like a fucking Pirate, The Blue Hair!!! they should have introduce that now because is such a important plot point in the future but, oh well...Well, having a relationship is one thing and marriage is another one. But THAT WON'T HAPPEN!!! if it happens George knows I'll get mad... He doesn't want that ò____ó
Amber says "but if she does meet Jon Snow and she is riding on something...yah!! ", Damn girl are U a freak?! LMAO, yea Darrio is def suppose to be Flashy... Diff. Colors of clothing, hair, the way he talks even... I see this almost cheesy warchief throwing his weapons at her feet & dropping to kiss them, this totally far out voice cuz he speaks to her in a poetic nature... 'only ur radiance has to do is nod ur beautiful head & ur servant Daaaaa...Reee... O will fetch his ugly head for u!' There 1st meeting after presents his colleagues heads "I pledge my life, my sword, my body, my looove' lol making her blush & pissing off Joer. He's this 'older man' whose also a vivid character to seduce essentially a college age/really late HS girl into dreaming about him... Even thru ADWD she is totally sweatin him, I don't think Selmy will interfere unless be really thinks he's out to harm her, he's like Darth Vader to her empress lol. Jon is still young & I can see the theory of him finding a way out of NW, that whole not getting laid thing is not good for the soul, that's why everyone in the NW thats not making it to that small brothel by the wall, is all winded up & filled with piss & vinegar!!! Incest is nasty but CELIBACY is crazy.With the releasing spirits in the Starks tome once the swords in the tomb no longer stay on the headstones , I think 'cold hands' is the cumulative power of all Stark blood represented By a 'white/body' doesn't 'Cold Hands' take on 3 or 4 whites? Someone correct me, the last time I remember him when Bran Enters the Cave in the middle of a fight, & he can't go in cuz of the fire & I think C.H. says Bran has to go on without him (for a bit at least)... What is C.H. Official status as of right now in ADWD? I don't remember, I need enlightenment - Nelson? Amber? anyone? just blabbering
The one thing that really sent me through the roof is that in the HBO world Daario is a Second Son!!! Why? I am afraid the producers are going to blend Daario & Brown Ben together, which, of course,means no Brown Ben ( who I had mentally casted Dominic West of HBO's Wire series fame) That could mean Daario will go over to the yonkis for gold then later meet up with Tyrion.The Other King with the blue eyes I believe will be revealed in the next book. The Others have just shown up here & there and what the reader knows are just hinted at, but other than the hints no Other social structure revealed.
GRRM has stated in interviews that two major plot line will end in Wind of Winters. The first part of WOW will deal with the battle with the yonkis and the battle between Stannis and Bolton. Victarion, Tyrion, Selmy and Jorah meet up and sort out. Dany & dragon with her new khalasar show up to to finish & polish. Stannis V. Bolton battle at Winterfell and sort things out there. Lots of ways that sort out.
As for Coldhands this is what is known. Cold black hands and does not breath. Cannot past beyond the wall or enter the cave. Was a Blk Brother. Has a flock of ravens under his control. Killed the renagade Black Brother who fled from the fist and the Others that had cornered Sam & Gilly. Was sent by the children of the forest to guide Bran to the cave. So coldhands is a hybrid with a mission.
The merging of characters is almost obligatory on the show. I think something like that will happen with Tysha and Shae. I think they won't kill Shae they will just send her back to Essos and so when time comes for Tyrion to leave Westeros he'll be looking for Shae instead of Tysha. Wow! GRRM read a new Tyrion chapter from Winds of Winter yesterday at Worldcon. Here's a summary:
"Tyrion is with the Second Sons and Jorah, readying for battle. Brown Ben has gone to see the girl general. However, the Second Sons are still on the side of the Yunkai. There are great laments that they are fighting for the wrong side. There is fighting in Slavers’ Bay and under the Wall. The fight will be upon their position soon.
Tyrion watches the sun rise over the battlefield. One of the dragons (he can’t tell which) eats soldiers being flung into the air by one of six things called the Wicked Sisters (apparently some kind of embattlement). “Why do the gods keep putting him into battle?” thinks Tyrion, since he’s not made for it. His thoughts turn first to Shae, then to his first battle at the Green Fork. He remembers the Green Fork better than Blackwater. And the Second Sons saddling up remind him of Bron.
He is not yet in armor, so he returns to his tent. Penny is there, dressed in real armor for her defense. As she helps Tyrion suit up, they talk. When he mentions Cersei, Penny says, “You would sell your sister for a cup of horse piss.” Tyrion has to laugh: “Is my taste for horse piss so famous or have you met my sister?” He then explains his thoughts on strategy for the upcoming battle – a great plan to be heard and followed by no one. And as he remembers his father remaining above the fighting at the Green Fork, Penny kisses him.
Tyrion is enraged. He rants at her about the slaughter of the battlefield and the reality about to invade her innocent world. Penny apologizes, saying she’s frightened. But this echo of Shae makes matters worse. He leaves to see the battle. It is Viserion chowing down on flying soldiers. Rheagal is in sight, however. The camp is in a panic.
A man in golden armor rides up from the Supreme Commander Gorzak (ph). No one in the camp knows who Gorzak is. This man is his emissary and commands them to move to the bay and attack the savages from the squid ships. Tyrion, as a Lannister, is well aware of the Ironborn depredations and is not inclined to follow the command. The Second Sons agree: they are cavalry and can’t walk on water. They decide to wait for Brown Ben to return. The emissary, assuring them of the wrath of Gorzak, departs. Tyrion and Jorah agree – they are fighting for the wrong side.
Viserion withdraws from the skies. Rhaegal still flies, however.
Brown Ben returns. Melessa (ph) wants them to defend a Wicked Sister. Tyrion crudely points out that the girl has nicer breasts. And at that point, a Yunkai nobleman rides up. Tyrion approves of the depraved scene depicted on his armor, but his news is less welcome. The nobleman swears vengeance on the Prince of Tatters and Tyrion mocks him. Brown Ben defends Tyrion from the nobleman until Jorah runs the Yunkai nobleman through.
And Brown Ben proclaims that they have been Queen’s Men all along! Joining the Yunkai was merely a clever ploy. Tyrion isn’t fooled by this, but is happy with the development."
I content a 2014 release, mid year at the earliest, a market synergy with the start of HBO Season 3B start or a DEC release for Christmas cash.Either way it will set the record for the biggest week one download ever. This will be the first bk release since HBO stardom. The paper release of the Dance of Dragons comes at the end of OCT with a new WOW chapter. In the normal publishing world the new hardback comes out soon afterwards, but GRRM past releases have not followed pattern and he is now in his own publishing universe. Thanks you Nelson for new tyrion POV chapter.
Apparently, he also suggested that he might be working on WOW and the final book at once. That could be good or bad depending how you look at it. You're welcome :)
Nelson wrote: "Apparently, he also suggested that he might be working on WOW and the final book at once. That could be good or bad depending how you look at it. "
I'm not surprised, a lot of the material from ADWD got pushed to WOW (and ADWD only happened because the material for AFFC and ADWD was too big for one book), so I assume a part of what would go into WOW will go into the last(?) book. In general I'm just happy he's writing, and if making progress POV by POV is the way that works for him, rather than focusing on the next book, I'd say go for it.
HBO has recasted Daario!! Maybe Daario 1 could not act, so HBO stole a guy from BBC's Sherlock Holmes. It confirms my belief that HBO will eliminate Brown Ben and merge BB with Daario. GRRM also stated at that conference some book dead characters will live on in HBO version. I am almost sure they mean Tywin and the Hound (if the Hound is truely book dead).
Michiel Huisman from "Treme" is the new Daario, not somebody from "Sherlock" I really don't see how Tywin can survive. Tywin's death is the most important event for Tyrion in the books. He needs to die.
The one I think is not going to die is Shae, for the reasons I previously posted.
And about The Hound... Yes, The Hounds is dead. But, Sandor Clegane is very much alive.
U are right Nelson,the sherlock guy will be a Mace Tywell. But it begs the question why would HBO needed someone with artistic chops to play Daario? Book Daario does very little other than sneer, leer and end up as a hostage. But a Daario/Brown Ben blend would need more acting skills.
I really just joined this group because I love reading this thread. I am new to the series but I have read all five books in the past month and a half so I remember some things, even though I am impressed by the many little details some of you know. Here are some thoughts (most of them pure speculation and really not grounded on evidence in the books):- I think that Dany will die by the end of the series. I think that she will sacrifice herself for her "children" and that her "ride to love" might be her sacrifice. That being said and going with Amber's theory that she must ride another creature, I think she might ride one of the other dragons, but because you can only ride one dragon, she will have to die. So I wouldn't necessarily bet on her being one head of the three-headed dragon. Oh, and I think that the part of the prophecy where it says "three fires must she light" has to be taken literally. So the fire she must light for love would be an actual fire, like the last two (I am referring to Amber's interpretation now). Maybe she lights the fire that will resurrect Jon? Okay, that was just an idea which sounded brilliant at first thought, but now that I wrote it I am really not convinced. But I am throwing it out there anyway.
- I do think, though, that Jon is one of the head of the dragons (L+R, Jon dies and is somehow, as an Other or by Melisandre (either ice or fire), resurrected and therefore free from the Night's Watch, you know the gist). I realised that in this thread the idea that a Blackfire (?) might be a head of the dragon is rather popular/positively received. I somehow do not agree. I no this is a very stupid reason now but this guy is a mere sidekick who tried to kill Myrcella, yes, but otherwise was hardly mentioned. As a (normal) reader who doesn't dedicate a huge part of his life to this book series and doesn't join fan forums on the internet (except this one *cough*), this would be quite an unsatisfying solution. There are so many great characters introduced in the first five books, some minor characters (like Gendry, who, btw, remembers that his mother had very fair hair!) who receive seemably unnecessary attention, and then comes along a random guy who was barely mentioned and suddenly becomes the center of attention?
- I do think that Benjen is still alive but not that he is Cold Hand's.
- I am happy Rickon is back, he was never really mentioned before but his reappearance makes him the heir of Winterfell so I have great hopes for him. I also wonder what role Bran will play. His story is very interesting and I love to read about Brynden, but I don't see a connection to what happens in the Seven Kingdoms. What do you guys think Bran's role will be?
Those are a couple of thoughts I wanted to get rid of, I might come back with some more.
@Stephen When Daario was put in front of the Second Sons you could see something like that coming, is easier for the show. Some of my friends complain for that D: but they don't see that is impossible to cast every single character. It would be super expensive. @Laura Welcome Laura :)
- If Dany needs to die, I would like it to be giving birth to the "Stallion Who Mounts the World" maybe is macabre? :(
- I haven't heard that one. Darkstar being a Blackfyre? is that the theory? For me he's just a Dayne. He'll be very important though, he seems to have some sort of secret :O If he's a head of the Dragon then he should come from the Aerys II bloodline, Not a Blackfyre there. Right now the only possible Blackfyres for me are: Aegon and Varys. We have to wait and see if Obara can catch him :O
-Yes, I also would like that Benjen and Coldhands end up being different entities.
-For me Bran will serve as a expository character. He will use his time travel ability to put a lot of the series mysteries to rest. And he will also help in the imminent battle against The Others. He's the "magic" character after all.
Yah, you got it Nelson. I was going to say the same thing. I don't think the theory is that Darkstar is a head of the dragon, I believe that is an Aegon theory that you are thinking of Laura. Here is a link that should help clear up some the confusion as to the Blackfyre connections
http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/FAQ/E...
I've found Westeros.org to be a great place to get started reading theories and speculations.
I also agree that Cold Hands is not Benjen. Some of the things the Children of the Forest say have pretty much confirmed this for me.
Personally, I do see Bran's connection to the story it's just the climatic arch of that connection hasn't been presented yet, it's only been built toward. We clearly have The Lord of Light coming into play with more power than before, we're definitely seeing a greater response and power coming from "The Great Other" who ultimately, is a religious figure as well, kinda of the yang to the R'hllors yin if you will. We're seeing religious activity and an increase in magic in the realms of The Many Faced God as well. It stands to reason and makes perfect sense, that the Old Gods, who originally had the most power in Westeros, would want to bring in a new greenseer to increase there power. Brynden is run down, clearly, nearly dead, past his mortal lifetime, where as Bran is young and most probably the strongest Warg in the entire ASOIAF world. So of course the Old God's called out to him, to increase there power, in a time of increased devine power. The only religion we've seen no devine response from is The Seven, but even that could be argued against when you look at someone like Davos whose probability of dieing has been higher than most deceased characters.
Davos has been so lucky! :D that comes with being such an amazing character xD Yes, everybody needs to remember that Bran is the character who is all up north, he's in the enemy's territory, the front line :) that's super important.
What really intrigues me is, What the hell is Jaqen doing in Oldtown? What is he going to do with that key? that's like the main mystery for me right now xD (I really like Jaqen)
You know, as much as I agree that likely Jaqen is the Alchemist and Pate in OldTown, I still have to admit that interestingly, Daario Naharis has the same description as Jaqen's new face as well.Jaqen:
Hooked Nose, Gold Tooth, Black Curly Hair, scar
Daario:
Large Curving Nose, Gold Tooth, Blue (died) Curly Hair
No mention of a scar, but no mention isn't exactly the same as not there.
Daario makes no appearance until after Clash, Kills multiple people and is a surprisingly amazing fighter, has worked his way into the graces of Dany whose already been a target for assasination at least once, then gets himself put away as a prisoner.
Interestingly, the exact position we first meet Jaqen in and wonder how he could have ever ended up there.
I have to say, it's a bit questionable even if the other theory is more well recieved.
Ah, thank you for pointing out my mistake with the Blackfyres and the Daynes. Darkstar is obviously a Dayne. Duh.If Dany dies giving birth to the "stallion who mounts the world" I want the father to be a man of the north (let's say Jon, even though I wouldn't ship Jon and Dany) because then the child would be a song of ice and fire.
I never doubted Bran's importance. An expository character? Sounds good on first glance but he is only "useful" to explain and reveal past tidings to the reader. Or maybe he finds some way to communicate through the godswood with the people who visit it. Otherwise I don't see how he could get into contact with the rest of Westeros, especially since he is thought to be dead. Because he is so far in the north, I feel like he is some sort of a bracket that encircles all the other stories. And I like the idea of him being a counterbalance in the magic of religion. Maybe Rhllor and the Old Gods turn out to be fueled by the same power (would that be ice and fire again?). Maybe the Seven Gods are an analogy to the Seven Kingdoms.
Jaqen being Daario? Seems a little bit far fetched but the crazy theories are always my favourite to support.
Yah, it's confusing, the whole Blackfyre thing is pretty new to me also, I can't even believe someone figured all that shit out. I do think there is some theory that has Darkstar fitting in as Blackfyre bastard or something along those lines as well, but it was definitely questionable material.I will hold my comment on Dany's stallion father. I have this horrible pentient for just inserting Gendry everywhere normal humans insert Jon. Yah. I Gotta let that go man.
I think in the end there will be lots of Ice and Fire tiebacks. They are already mounting a bit in the material we have. So I wouldn't doubt that Bran presents a side of that. Plus, we have to remember that Bran does have some connections, possibly some of the best, in The Children of the Forest. They are some of the only people who know anything about the Other's so, there is always the possibility Bran will convince them to mount some kind of mission to save the world, or at least get the information out and accessible to people. I mean, to get all speculative, an expedition of COF escorting Jojen and Meera could deliver information to the Nights Watch pretty much at anytime. Meera and Jojen are going to have to leave eventually to go live there lives. Bran's already made his choice I think.
And yah, Daario as Jaqen is totally crackpot but you have to admit the similarities are a bit amusing. Plus, interestingly, we get absolutely NO background on Daario in comparison to pretty much everyone else.
The thing is that Daario already had a backstory, people knew him etc. There's too little time to develop all those relationships and backstory between the time Jaqen says goodbye to Arya and when Daario meets Dany. And of course Jaqen, a man from Essos is in Westeros for a reason. Going back to Essos to kill Dany would be weird... and if The Alchemist ends up being just a random faceless men that we have not seen before it would be so disappointing :( specially when he is now next to Sam who is a POV character.
If Daario is a Faceless Men then that look is just the default face to wear in the business xD
All we know of Daario's backstory is that he was 1 of 3 captains in the Stormcrows.Other than that, it's all come from Daario, nobody to corroborate anything he says. Not that he has said much about his past at all.
Being vague is the best way to lie. Then again, lack of evidence is necessarily evidence. I'm just saying the possibility remains open.
We've already witnessed that becoming the captain of a mercenary company isn't that difficult. Dany herself thinks of sending in a man to assasinate and replace Brown Ben from the Second Sons. Quentyn Martell gets in good with the Tattered Prince simply by fighting in a single battle and his entire back story at the time is a lie.
I agree that Jaqen was in Westeros for a reason, but it's just as likely that reason has been completed. To get his next target he'd have to return to Braavos and recieve it from the House of Black and White. That's just the politics of their guild/religion/whatever you want to call it.
We don't know that his intent would be to kill Dany either. Maybe it's to get in good with Dany and kill someone close to her or even to end up right where he is. It's entirely possible his target is simply the leaders of Mercenary Companies or even the leaders of Yunkai. Interestingly, the faceless men were started in the slave pits of Valyria so it isn't very far reaching to believe they'd be interested in killing wealthy slave traders if the contract came up. Some fans postulate the faceless men contributed to or even created the Doom of Valyria in direct relation to there use of slaves.
Also interestingly, High ranked Yunkish Slavers started to mysteriously die after taking hostages that included...Daario Naharis.
I mean, I'm mostly playing devils advocate here, but it's got plenty of room to work in my opinion.
But then who is The Alchemist? and you have to take into account that the whole prologue of AFFC was just there to announce his presence in Oldtown. Prologues are always like super important.
Okay, thats a fair question. And I by no means want to deter from the proposition that The Alchemist is Jaqen but I do want to see how far I can defend this theory.Now please forgive me because I'm going to get pretty speculative on this one.
The Alchemist could just as easily and believably be a servant of R'hllor or an outsourced servant like Mance Rayder who is glamoured to look like Rattleshirt.
We know the Servants of the Red God are reaching out from the Free Cities trying to ensnare Westeros. One of there greatest adversaries on that front would be the Maesters. We've already seen the trouble that Mel ran into with Stannis' maester.
We also know that certain places, like the wall, give Melisandre more abilities and power. Since the Citadel was founded in the Age of Heros, the same as the wall, it stands to reason that this site could harness the same powers, we already know they had that black candle lighting thing and whatnot.
Servents of R'hllor will eventually want to populate these areas most, what better way to get information about the site than to infiltrate it?
I like the theory that Jaquen killed and then assumed the ID of Pate. This is to keep as eye on the two factions that have developed in the maesters of Oldtown. I do not think Daario is anything other than a sellsword and I do not think he will survive long in bk6. Samwell's research found the children of the forest defeated the others the last time out so Bran is going to be huge in the final battle. Lastly HBO has recasted the Mountain so that means a nice Mountain v. Red Viper Battle scene.
@Amber it's alright I'm open to speculations. Right now I'm playing "Killer Is Dead" and there was this line from a character that said "Only through speculation can we find the truth." :PBut, I still don't see it.
I think the most relevant piece of evidence that lets you know that "The Alchemist" is a Faceless Man and not a R'hllor priest, is the way Pate dies.
The Alchemist gives Pate a coin, Pate bites it "the way he'd seen men do." and then after feeling light-headed he dies.
This is something that we saw Arya learning in ADWD as part of her training as a Faceless Man.
@Stephen Yes, there has been a schism of sort between the maesters. Maybe Pate (Jaqen for me) is there to work against the faction that is with Dany (Those who believe in magic) or maybe the other way around he's there to help them. Or maybe non of the above :P and he's just there to screw them, being hired by a third-party.
Yes, The Mountain from season 2 was too thin. He needs to be monstrous! That scene is going to be one of the highlights from the season.
Oberyn Martell: Do you know who I am?
Gregor Clegane: Some dead man.
<3
I REALLY wished OBE was around more, I'd like to know more about the history of the 'red viper' etc.. Martin writes minimally about Dorne but he killed a character I grew to like a lot just from the conversation betwn him & Tyrion. When Tywin sends him, the banter & dialogue is so well written, starting off greeting him with some no name banners vs prince OBE who brought the most powerful banners (well I guess it all starts off when the vipers sister gets killed), classic. I wish after this whole friggin series is done he does some novella's on specific character backgrounds before the poor guy croaks god forbid (walking round wit Gandolf, Afro like hair LMAO)
Been a while since I been on here and use havnt laid off at all lol. Jon and Dany for me is just to disney arguably the coolest hottest chick with the one of the most likeble coolest characters, it would disapoint me slightly. I sort of think she will do a robb and marry daario and itl cost her, her life.
Jagen being Daario dont know or care abkut how plausoble it is, but its pretty cool.
Have use guys seen the new mountain hes huge!
Bran for me I just dont know but one thing id like to see is some sort of time warp thing where bran has already enckuntered hinself or some.of the characters have, like bran being coldha ds thatd be awesome but not going to happen lol
Okay, yah, I agree that it's unlikely Bran is Coldhands, but that would be awesome. Someone should write that as a fanficLOL.
When I was on mind altering pain medication, I briefly though about Jon being Coldhands. Being that Melisandre has not been on top of her game lately and Mel"s attempt at bringing back Jon from the dead instead sends him into some sort of time warp thing. But GGRM has not shown, in the past, to use such a plot altering device. And I got better and move on to advil.
OMG - LOL!Well, see, people want time travel and medieval fantasy to converge.
What do we want? Time Travel
When do we want it? It's irrelevent.
BAHAHAHA
So I have a question fo'yall... at the end of ADWD Dany comes across Khal Jhaqo & 50 of his warriorsDO u think Dany is going to straight up roast all of them? or do u think somehow Jhago is going to join her forces under some weird belief after seeing the Dragon?
Personally I think she's gonna roast them all in the beginning of the next book just for what they did when her real Drogo died, even though it was Dathroki culture to do so?
I believe Jago will try to kill Dany and get roasted for the effort. Dany will argue she is the new Khal as she rides the dragon. She tells them they will bleed the yonkers dry and proceed to Slaver's bay. It will be like New york 5 points 1836 when Dany, Selmy, Tyrion, Jorad and Victorian all meet in the midst of the battle.
I think she'll kill Jhaqo and Mago at the least. She owes them for gang-raping and killing Eroeh while under her protection. That kind of shit seems to really piss her off, plus she kinda swore an oath to every god alive that she would torture them to death.As for the rest of the Khalasar, I wouldn't be surprised if she offered them to freedom to stay or leave as she has done in the past.
There are many extremely intelligent people among this thread and I don't know if its been mentioned before as I am new to this group but I always find myself wondering about Qaithe's prophecy. "The glass candles are burning soon comes the pale mare and after her the others"
I think that part is pretty self explanatory... But I want to what you guy think of the next portion and who these people are,
"Kracken and Dark flame, lion and griffin,the suns son, and the mummers dragon. Trust none of them remember the undying. Beware the perfumed seneschal. "
Now I know Kracken is obviously the the greyhound fellow. And the lion is Tyrion or maybe someone else. The suns son is from Dorne. But who is the dark star,griffin and mummers dragon.
I think this has been discussed briefly, but I can only help you with the mummer's dragon. The mummer's dragon is generally believed (and I support that theory) to be Aegon. It is believed that Varys and Illyrio chose a random child who looks the part and brought him up to believe he was Aegon, the righteous heir to the Iron Throne. The motives behind this scheme are unknown (to me) and I can't even take a guess why.
Amber wrote: "Okay, yah, I agree that it's unlikely Bran is Coldhands, but that would be awesome. Someone should write that as a fanficLOL."
A friendly input that GRRM hates fanfiction.
I'm going to assume that Dany will put to use the remainder of the Khalasar once she's put aside Jhaqo somehow. I wonder though how it would affect her situation with Mereen. Would she use it as a way to establish more control there or to leave and head for Westeros?
A friendly input that GRRM hates fanfiction.I know, I just don't care. It's the perils of the business and honestly, he should be flattered. I don't read FanFiction, but I do know some good has come from it in certain circles and it can be enjoyable. He doesn't have to read it. LOL.
Anywho...onto Quaithe. Man, that chick is freaky. Never trust a person who won't show you their face!
No. Hear me, Daenerys Targaryen. The glass candles are burning.
Soon comes the pale mare, and after her the others. Kraken and dark flame, lion and griffin, the sun’s son and the mummer’s dragon. Trust none of them. Remember the Undying. Beware the perfumed seneschal."
Kraken: Victarion Greyjoy - Pretty obvious, right? LOL
Dark Flame: Moqorro - He is the Red Priest that sales with Victarion currently, the crew calls him "the Black Flame" and his mission is to find Dany and advise her the same way Mel does Stannis basically.
Lion: Tyrion Lannister - Most likely anyway, seems they are destined to meet up at some point.
Griffin: Jon Connington - He is Lord of Griffin's Roost, the Griffin is his family sigil, and he goes by the alias Griff. Seems pretty 100% in my opinion.
Sun's Son: Quentyn Martell - Don't think I need to provide any reasoning here.
Mummer's Dragon: Aegon Targaryen - Now what Laura says is a really popular theory about Aegon, him not being a real Targaryen or even him being the actual son of Illyrio. Even that Aegon is just from the bastard line of Targaryen's known as the Blackfyres. All are good. BUT these theories don't necessarily need to play out for Aegon to be the Mummer's Dragon. He is already this simply because he is the Targaryen that was groomed by Illyrio and Varys to take the throne of Westeros. Varys is a skilled mummer.
Perfumed Seneschal: Still really open for debate. I think the strongest are Reznak mo Reznak, Dany's personal Seneschal or Varys. I prefer Varys personally, but Dany seems to think it's Reznak from what I read. Some people believe however that it isn't a person at all but a trading ship by the name of Selaesori Qhoran which translates to Fragrant Steward. It was actually enroute to Qarth when it wrecked carrying Tyrion, Jorah, and Moqorro, basically, it's wrecking led the moment where Dany spares Tyrion and Penny's lives in the fighting pit. So I still think it's worth some consideration.
Thank you Amber. I've had that prophecy highlighted for so long. I'm glad to finally get some others Input on it as I have drawn a blank. I really hope Tyrion makes it to Dany and she doesn't kill him immediately. I appreciate Tyrions intelligence more and more thru out ASOIAF And since I wish Dany to succeed and live (I'm sure chances are slim)I would love nothing more to see Tyrion get into her good graces and then they both reek havoc on westeros.
While I think Varys has his grubby little paws in absolutely everything I don't think that aegon is a fraud I just don't think he'll live that long.
Duh John Connington. I freakin knew that. Silly me.
That is also a very interesting theory about the shipwreck being the perfumed seneschal.
Do we know where Qauithe hails from and what her intentions are in all this??
She's from Asshai (by the Shadow) just like Melisadre. Her intentions... I have no idea. Helping Dany at least seems to be one of them.
Such a shame that will never see Asshai. It seems like a really interesting place.
Dany does have a dream, possibly a vision sent from Quaithe that she will battle with The Others and melt them to death basically.
Here is the quote, I went and pulled it from Westeros.org's the Citadel which I enjoy reading very much.
That night she dreamt that she was Rhaegar, riding to the Trident. But she was mounted on a dragon, not a horse. When she saw the Usurper's rebel host across the river they were armored all in ice, but she bathed them in dragonfire and they melted away like dew and turned the Trident into a torrent. Some small part of her knew that she was dreaming, but another part exulted. This is how it was meant to be. The other was a nightmare, and I have only now awakened.