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Silvana wrote: "@Scott: Dragons can travel a long way (didnt a Valyrian woman fly all the way to Sothoryos a long time ago?). Dorne/Stepstones is not that far either. @Maureen: Yeah it was too grand actually but..."
Ok Silvana, I read it. Not as detailed as GNC but still a fun theory. I remember when I first started the series thinking about the alliances that a marriage makes and how the Targaryens were basically missing out on those since they married each other (in many cases). It was a huge bargaining tool/strategy that they were sort of dismissing which didn't seem like the smartest thing to do. Glad this theory addresses that in other families.
Cool! Speaking of marriages, I I wonder why the Targaryen never married with people from the North and the Westerlands. I see there are few brides from the Reach, Riverlands, Dorne and even the Vale and Stormlands but none from those two parts. Cmiiw
Thaís wrote: "Maureen wrote: "Silvana wrote: "@Scott: Dragons can travel a long way (didnt a Valyrian woman fly all the way to Sothoryos a long time ago?). Dorne/Stepstones is not that far either. @Maureen: Ye..."
Drogon flew to a place that reminded Daenerys of Dragonstone, it isn't really though. I just finished the 5th book yesterday.
And how does the rider stay on for that period of time? What about food and water? My guess is it's about 9000 miles from Maureen to westeros and dragons fly about 50 miles per hour. So that would be 7 full days in the air.
Scott wrote: "And how does the rider stay on for that period of time? What about food and water? My guess is it's about 9000 miles from Maureen to westeros and dragons fly about 50 miles per hour. So that would ..."Aye, but that's working on the assumption of a sea journey. If Dany brings the Dothraki into the fold, then an overland journey to any of the free cities is equally feasible, after which it's just a quick hop over the 'poison water' to Westeros. And why assume a southerly crossing? e.g. Braavos-Fingers-Vale of Arryn/White Harbour/Gulltown would be do-able...
As the dragons would need to travel with the rest of the army, going overland would make a bit more sense, although, if there are ships large enough to carry all Harry Stricklands beloved elephants, they may be large enough to serve as 'aircraft carriers', particularly as the dragons don't appear to need a runway, and, for all their size and ferocity, GRRM makes a point of observing that they weigh next to nothing...
Just a few thoughts that occured to me as people were mooting logistics!!
“It is written in prophecy as well. When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone.”--Melisandre
Don't know if this has been discussed before, apologies if so, but on rereading, it occurred to me, that when Jon is killed in book 5, Set Patrek is bleeding. Wun Wun hurt him. Set Patrek's house sigil is star. That is the "bleeding star". "Smoke" arises from Jon's wounds. And the brothers are in tears while hitting him with arrows. Tears = "Salt". So, Jon might be reborn under a bleeding red star amidst smoke and salt....
Ser Patrek's star is blue. Like a Dallas Cowboy blue star.Though you may be onto something there...
Wow, I just read through the thread - so many different theories I hadn't considered before! It will be interesting to see if any are revealed in Winds of Winter.
Jenna wrote: "Wow, I just read through the thread - so many different theories I hadn't considered before! It will be interesting to see if any are revealed in Winds of Winter."Though you may be onto something there..."
Just reread something that I wrote a year ago, from the show, it looks like she has 100000 dothraki screamers at her back now... but the two are so disparate now, I cannae wait for tWoW to find out what REALLY happens.....!!!
Hodor... why hodor...???There is a theory on this, based on a number of premises:-
-We know he was once able to speak
-We know Bran found it relatively easy to ‘slip into’ Hodor’s skin.
-Melisandre talks of the great other who must not be named.
-Bran is gaining strength as a greenseer, but not yet the discipline to temper this.
-Höðr, aka Hodr, Hothur, HODOR et al, was the Norse god of darkness, winter and cold.
-We know from Bran’s greenseeing with Bloodraven, both in the books, and on the show, although he can’t communicate directly, he can make people pause, even if it just appears as an unusual breeze or rustling of leaves, feeling or sensation.
Now, the theory goes that Bran discovers something about the Others from Bloodraven, and their previous ‘exploits’ He also finds out about the Great Other, including name.
When journeying back and seeing young Hodor/Wylis/Walder again, having done so in the ‘current time’, he attempts to warg into Hodor, in order warn him, or have him warn others. Unfortunately the poor lads mind can’t handle this, and essentially goes *pop* the one thing remaining of the experience being the name- ‘Hodor’
This strikes me as quite a tidy theory, as it also explains why Bran found it so relatively easy to warg into him in the ‘present day’, having done so once before, on Hodor’s timeline anyway…
@Maureen: Yeah it was too gr..."
Drogon flew all the way from mereen to dragonstone, GRRM doesn't give any details on the flight. But if you look on the map, it's a pretty considerable distance. I guess he could fly all the way to westeros.