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Second of all if it can be calssed as YA it's not going on a poll for adult only books.
I don't appreciate the attitude that comes across in that post.
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I had to force myself to read the rest of the trilogy. Book 3 was pure pain to get through. All she was doing was travelling places and being b*tchy towards everyone.
The book can be considered both. There is a sex scene in it. But the quality of writing is more aimed at a younger audience, in my opinion. Her books can be found in both the YA and the fantasy section at my local store.
(My black list is authors I've read who either started out good and got progressively worse, or were bad from the get go. They're authors that I'll never buy again.)
The book can be considered both. There is a sex scene in it. But the quality of writing is more aimed at a younger audience, in my opinion. Her books can be found in both the YA and the fantasy section at my local store.
(My black list is authors I've read who either started out good and got progressively worse, or were bad from the get go. They're authors that I'll never buy again.)

Okay, fair enough, I can see why you'd hate it.
It's in the adult section in my local shops but since it can be seen as YA it's best not to add it. It would undermine what I've been trying to say.
(Aaah. Is SMeyer on that list? =P)
It was a decent read, though. The romantic interest is very yummy.
I think her publishers want her to write faster than is good for her quality. The language in it was awful. It's fantasy, set in a fantasy land, and she uses modern colloquialisms! Eugh.
(She is indeed! As are Kritin Cashore and Jory Strong.)
I think her publishers want her to write faster than is good for her quality. The language in it was awful. It's fantasy, set in a fantasy land, and she uses modern colloquialisms! Eugh.
(She is indeed! As are Kritin Cashore and Jory Strong.)

Yeah, it's a shame when publishers do that. They ruin the quality of the story. To be honest that must have been bad editing as well.
(I guessed right! lol)
I think I have reviews on them that pretty much say book 1 was fantastic. I lost myself to the trilogy. Book 2 I devoured just as fast but I didn't really like the direction it took. Book 3 I had to force myself to read. I kept trying to tell myself that I was enjoying it but I wasn't really. :( It had a really good ending, though. If she'd written the whole book in that style it would have been a fantastic third part.
They do. If I ever get published my writing shall be at my speed, not theirs. I'd rather produce quality than quantity. No, she tweaked them a bit. There was one with an animal... let's say "you can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink" (it wasn't that one but I read it 3 years ago and I can't remember what it was exactly). She wrote "you can take a *insert name of fantasy creature in her world here* to water but you can't make it drink". Though in many parts it could be due to bad editing of not removing modern language ticks.
(:p I'm never, ever giving her more of my money. I'd rather eat flush it down the toilet than give it to her.)
They do. If I ever get published my writing shall be at my speed, not theirs. I'd rather produce quality than quantity. No, she tweaked them a bit. There was one with an animal... let's say "you can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink" (it wasn't that one but I read it 3 years ago and I can't remember what it was exactly). She wrote "you can take a *insert name of fantasy creature in her world here* to water but you can't make it drink". Though in many parts it could be due to bad editing of not removing modern language ticks.
(:p I'm never, ever giving her more of my money. I'd rather eat flush it down the toilet than give it to her.)

I know, but my speed is exceptionally slow. I have to be in the right frame of mind. Lol, that's pretty cheeky! Yeah, I'd have had them in check.
(Lol. I'm not either, she can have my brother's. XD)
They're not very in depth as I did them much later. :( I think I've still got the original reviews on my LJ but I'd have to check. She did, but a good end didn't really make up for a bad book. :( About 1/3rd of the last book was just recapping the events of the other two books. :/ I hate when authors do that. Do they think I've forgotten everything important between books 2 and 3? Because honestly, I haven't.
Oh, mine is too. And I stop part way through. Hence why I doubt I'll ever be published.
(My hatred of her goes further than that. It is now engrained in my being. I will not give her my money and no member of my family is permitted to give her theirs either.)
Oh, mine is too. And I stop part way through. Hence why I doubt I'll ever be published.
(My hatred of her goes further than that. It is now engrained in my being. I will not give her my money and no member of my family is permitted to give her theirs either.)

Maybe we should team up are part written works into something amazing? Lol The only story I finished I co-wrote. =D I had a poem published but I really want to work on getting my act together to write seriously, if I put my mind to it I can write a lot in a short space of time but it's hard for me.
(Haha, I know but she turned the Host into a series and now I need to know the rest of the story before I can stop buying her stuff. Of course that's exactly why she's done it, I'm not stupid. May have to see if the library get the books in.)
I copy / paste! I figure if it's a well read book, people will read the full reviews here on GR rather than flicking to a blog. If it's not got very many reviews, I might be able to get away with it. It really was annoying. I hate it when authors don't trust me to remember the most important bits of the plot. Little things? Yeah, maybe. How your world works? Think I can remember that, thank you. You get it in a lot of series (including VA, just so you know).
Good idea! I've finished a couple but I tend to work better if I've got someone else next to me pushing me along. Yey! I had a poem win an award but it wasn't published! (I do have a CD, though, cuz I'm cool like that ;) ). I'm the same. I can write a lot fast but I just don't tend to do it. One of my problems is I get so far (usually a few chapters) then decide that my story sucks and give up on it. :(
(I only read about 50 pages of The Host anyway. I can quite happily forget the whole thing even exists. Yes, get the library to get it!)
Good idea! I've finished a couple but I tend to work better if I've got someone else next to me pushing me along. Yey! I had a poem win an award but it wasn't published! (I do have a CD, though, cuz I'm cool like that ;) ). I'm the same. I can write a lot fast but I just don't tend to do it. One of my problems is I get so far (usually a few chapters) then decide that my story sucks and give up on it. :(
(I only read about 50 pages of The Host anyway. I can quite happily forget the whole thing even exists. Yes, get the library to get it!)

Woo! I'm awesome like that. (I just noticed I put 'are' instead of 'our' in my last post, I think I was in a hurry to watch Casualty lol.) I do too, if there's something to motivate me I can do really well. I've been known to be able to do a chapter a day (but that's two drafts of it. All the stuff on my computer tends to be the second draft. All my ideas are written by hand first.) Yay! Go you. Mine aren't exactly about to win any awards, but saying that I think my poems are better than my stories. I do that too! Either that or I look back and think, the world will hate it. I have an idea for a couple of stories. =)
(Yup, I love my local library lol.)


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I'm full of good ideas :D (book 4 was the worst. By the fourth chapter I was on the verge of pulling my hair out. I kid you not.)
No worries :p I do that a lot too when I'm not paying attention. I decided I want to write a story set in the Arctic circle and for research I want to go and live with reindeer herders for a year, to learn their language and customs and how they deal with the endless night in winter. And then I want to make a fantasy set there, though I have no idea what sort of plot I'd do. I just wanna do that research! :p Yeah, I get the same. Either I don't like it anymore or I figure no one else will like it so why should I bother? Oooh plots! Me likes plots!
(I wish I could love mine. I might have to start reading their drivel to save money.)
No worries :p I do that a lot too when I'm not paying attention. I decided I want to write a story set in the Arctic circle and for research I want to go and live with reindeer herders for a year, to learn their language and customs and how they deal with the endless night in winter. And then I want to make a fantasy set there, though I have no idea what sort of plot I'd do. I just wanna do that research! :p Yeah, I get the same. Either I don't like it anymore or I figure no one else will like it so why should I bother? Oooh plots! Me likes plots!
(I wish I could love mine. I might have to start reading their drivel to save money.)

Phew! =P I wasn't concentrating, I'm doing a lot of errors today, it's a good job I tend to check back what I've just written. That sounds like awesome research. I think I'd do most of my research over the internet. I'm not one for travelling. I know, I need to have more faith in my writing. Would you like to hear some of my plot ideas?
(To be fair your library isn't English lol.)
I often stop concentrating and just let my fingers go for it. But then they tend to type words that I didn't mean to type! I don't always reread everything I've written so I miss my typos. I figure people can understand anyway, and if they can't they'll ask! I thought it sounded awesome! :P I'd really like to see the northern lights, so that would give me a whole year to hopefully see them. Oh, I love travelling, but internet is still very helpful. We both need more faith in our writing! When I get going on my next project I should probably get some proof readers in who can keep bugging me for the next chapter. I would indeed! In turn, I can give you my cannibal plot and my "cats with claws" plot. ;)
(True. The one in Amsterdam is probably better but I cba to go all the way to Amsterdam just to check a few books out of the library!)
(True. The one in Amsterdam is probably better but I cba to go all the way to Amsterdam just to check a few books out of the library!)

Plot 1. A person comes out of prison but instead of being reformed they hunt down the person who put them there and take them hostage. Instead of all the background though I want it to start with them taking the person hostage and then have the back story filter through as the police arrive but mainly it would be the hostage and the criminal.
Plot 2. This is more of a general idea but one of my favourite websites is a place where people write little stories of human kindness and I'd like to play on that by writing a bunch of mini stories all revolving around that mentality.
Plot 3. This is more one for my personal enjoyment but I want to write a love story between two teenagers but instead of the whole vampire/werewolf thing I want them to be racing drivers because then they would be enemies on track but then fall in love off it.
Now I want to hear your plot ideas, especially the cat one. =P
(Haha, tbh I wouldn't either. I'd just grumble. =D)
They bug me when I notice them but I'm usually too lazy to correct them! That's my whole reason for wanting to see them! Their prettiness. I've got a friend who lives in Narvik (very north of Norway, within the arctic circle) so I'm hoping one year I can bum at his for the whole of spring in an attempt to see the lights! That sounds like a good idea to me! Now I just need to write! My mum's usually interested in what I've been writing too, so that's two readers right off the bat. I get self-conscious about content, which is stupid as I know I shouldn't.
I really like the idea of plot 1! Plot 3 is also good but I know very little about car racing to be able to add much to that part of the story :p You'd be stuck there. Plot 2 I'm a little confused about, care to expand a bit? You mean short stories where humans go out of their way to help another or something else?
My plots are:
Plot 1: It's Goth Weekend up in Whitby (yanno, cuz that's where Dracula's set so there's a goth fest up there every year) but the weather is absolutely horrible so this group of goths and a young family both take shelter in a greasy spoon fastfood place. Little do they know that the owner of the place cooks human flesh, and as the weather fails to improve he starts to reduce their gothy numbers! (though this would be novella rather than novel)
Plot 2: A woman has a midlife crisis, realising she's always put her career first and never stopped to find a guy. Desperate, she now joins dating site 'cats with claws' because she likes cats, not realising it's an S&M site. She goes out on many doomed dates with men who like pain, not understanding what she's doing wrong. She's also worried she's losing her mind because her pet cats have started talking to her. But eventually she meets another hopeless soul who joined the site for the same reason and they get to go off and have their HEA.
And Plot 3, just because (this is one that I started work on a couple of years ago but had to drop for study reasons): Heroine is a chef. She gets called in to cater an event for a rock group. Rock group has handsome but cocky frontman. She is ridiculed, which annoys her, but still somehow finds herself caught up in their rockstar life, leading to drugs, homosexual relations, and life spinning out of control.
(I've got the first chapter of this one somewhere. Hopefully it's on my big PC and didn't get lost when the laptop died.)
I really like the idea of plot 1! Plot 3 is also good but I know very little about car racing to be able to add much to that part of the story :p You'd be stuck there. Plot 2 I'm a little confused about, care to expand a bit? You mean short stories where humans go out of their way to help another or something else?
My plots are:
Plot 1: It's Goth Weekend up in Whitby (yanno, cuz that's where Dracula's set so there's a goth fest up there every year) but the weather is absolutely horrible so this group of goths and a young family both take shelter in a greasy spoon fastfood place. Little do they know that the owner of the place cooks human flesh, and as the weather fails to improve he starts to reduce their gothy numbers! (though this would be novella rather than novel)
Plot 2: A woman has a midlife crisis, realising she's always put her career first and never stopped to find a guy. Desperate, she now joins dating site 'cats with claws' because she likes cats, not realising it's an S&M site. She goes out on many doomed dates with men who like pain, not understanding what she's doing wrong. She's also worried she's losing her mind because her pet cats have started talking to her. But eventually she meets another hopeless soul who joined the site for the same reason and they get to go off and have their HEA.
And Plot 3, just because (this is one that I started work on a couple of years ago but had to drop for study reasons): Heroine is a chef. She gets called in to cater an event for a rock group. Rock group has handsome but cocky frontman. She is ridiculed, which annoys her, but still somehow finds herself caught up in their rockstar life, leading to drugs, homosexual relations, and life spinning out of control.
(I've got the first chapter of this one somewhere. Hopefully it's on my big PC and didn't get lost when the laptop died.)

Awesome. Plot 1 my favourite of the three, I've had it for a while. Plot two is exactly that where the narrator either witnesses a scene that makes them realise that the world isn't so bad or they're the person who recieves the kindness. I've decided maybe linking you to website might be a good idea: http://www.givesmehope.com/ so there's the link lol. Plot three is going to take some researching even on my part. I know what racing competition I want them to be in and that, I just need to research it.
As for your plots "cats with claws is definitely my favourite. It sounds hilarious, it's definitely something I'd pick up. I also like the goth one. It reminds me of a Torchwood episode in a way. Three is good but the other two are more catchy from what you've written. =)
Lol, he wants to come hide in my house and steal my food, too, so it's only fair!! Norway is a lovely country, I'd love to visit it (again, I suppose as I've been to Oslo before - I've even got a Norwegian troll!) We are, we've done rather well. I think we deserve a pat on the back! I don't know whether or not my mum is, I think she's more interested in what I'm creating and trying to push me into publishing (she's been trying to get me to publish since I was 16.) I'm exactly the same! I worry that others won't like it, but I suppose there's got to be at least a few people out there who'll like whatever's put in front of them.
It's one of those plots that I like, where you're stuck in the middle of the action and you slowly figure out what's going on. First or third person? I'll flick through that site tomorrow, get an idea for it! Sounds like a nice idea. Ah yes, research is your friend. I need to research hotels in the Lake District for my work. I could do with going on a weekend trip there too, but I doubt I'll be able to get the bf to agree to that unless I'm serious about the novel.
It was rather fun to come up with! We were throwing ideas around in Creative Writing class and that's what we came up with. Unfortunately, I don't remember what each of the guys was like, but it'd be easy enough to come up with new stuff. I've not seen Torchwood, but it makes me think of Dexter. I didn't discover Dexter until after I'd come up with the plot, though. Again with the research though, cuz it's been about 6 years since I was last up north in that sort of area, and never for the goth fest. Three is very different. The other two are more humourous, but 3 is about losing control. It's a much darker story. At least, in my head it is.
It's one of those plots that I like, where you're stuck in the middle of the action and you slowly figure out what's going on. First or third person? I'll flick through that site tomorrow, get an idea for it! Sounds like a nice idea. Ah yes, research is your friend. I need to research hotels in the Lake District for my work. I could do with going on a weekend trip there too, but I doubt I'll be able to get the bf to agree to that unless I'm serious about the novel.
It was rather fun to come up with! We were throwing ideas around in Creative Writing class and that's what we came up with. Unfortunately, I don't remember what each of the guys was like, but it'd be easy enough to come up with new stuff. I've not seen Torchwood, but it makes me think of Dexter. I didn't discover Dexter until after I'd come up with the plot, though. Again with the research though, cuz it's been about 6 years since I was last up north in that sort of area, and never for the goth fest. Three is very different. The other two are more humourous, but 3 is about losing control. It's a much darker story. At least, in my head it is.

Yeah, that's what I like about it. I normally write in first person. I have no idea why, I think it's because then I feel closer to the story. Okay, it's easier for you to read that than my rubbish explanation. It is my friend, I've just thought, if I do my research in the next few months I could do plot three for NaNoWriMo. I think your bf has a point there, although you could pretend it's a romantic weekend getaway. (If anyone asks I did not suggest that btw.)
It such an awesome idea. You could have all sorts of dodgy guys with fetishes and whips and chains. I used to love Torchwood, there was this episode with some cannibals which is why it reminded me of it. I love Dexter, that show is truly awesome. I get ideas and thenI see them on TV and I'm like WTF. Yeah, it would be nice to reacquaint yourself with the area. I think 2 would have to be like a Dexter style humour. I didn't get the darkness of plot 3 it reminded me slightly of a YA book I just read because of the rockstar but I'd love to see how it translates as a darker story.
I only went to Norway for a day :p We drove over from Sweden. I went to the Viking museum. Woo! I'm not sure she does as she hasn't read my earliest stuff (which when I read it now I can hardly bring myself to read) but she's always wanted to encourage me in my writing. Which is good! So will I usually... unless I really can't stand it.
I usually do too. I find it easier to be in the character's head than to just observe their actions. Especially if I'm going for the long haul. But some people don't like to read first person because they don't like that it says "I did X" - they think to themselves "but I wouldn't do that." Doing it for NaNoWriMo is a really good idea! You should totally go for it! :) Romance in the Lake District? lol. Last time I was in the Lake District I ended up having to climb up an almost vertical wall of mud because my dad had deviated from the walking path without realising it. Needless to say, I don't have very good memories of it!
Yup! But then I'd have to research that sort of stuff too... ick! :p But I'd rather do it properly than make a fool of myself by just transplanting what I think of as that society rather than representing it as it is. In the new Dexter book there are cannibals! Cannibals are cool, it has to be said. I think a Dexter style dry humour would fit it well. There is an idea that everything that can be said has been said and all we can do now is rephrase it ("we are dwarves on the shoulders of giants" - at least that's what it is in French!) It's hard to show darkness in a summary, but my original idea for it is very dark. It's about spiralling out of control and not being able to get back on top of it all as your life slowly slips away. My original idea was definitely adult and not YA.
I usually do too. I find it easier to be in the character's head than to just observe their actions. Especially if I'm going for the long haul. But some people don't like to read first person because they don't like that it says "I did X" - they think to themselves "but I wouldn't do that." Doing it for NaNoWriMo is a really good idea! You should totally go for it! :) Romance in the Lake District? lol. Last time I was in the Lake District I ended up having to climb up an almost vertical wall of mud because my dad had deviated from the walking path without realising it. Needless to say, I don't have very good memories of it!
Yup! But then I'd have to research that sort of stuff too... ick! :p But I'd rather do it properly than make a fool of myself by just transplanting what I think of as that society rather than representing it as it is. In the new Dexter book there are cannibals! Cannibals are cool, it has to be said. I think a Dexter style dry humour would fit it well. There is an idea that everything that can be said has been said and all we can do now is rephrase it ("we are dwarves on the shoulders of giants" - at least that's what it is in French!) It's hard to show darkness in a summary, but my original idea for it is very dark. It's about spiralling out of control and not being able to get back on top of it all as your life slowly slips away. My original idea was definitely adult and not YA.

Me too... I like to read first person as well. If the character's good then I like being inside their head. I thought so because I could research from September and plan the novel and then be ready for November. =) Are you going to do a NaNoWriMo during a different month. I remember you saying that you can't do it in November. Lol, can you tell I haven't been. I just thought of the lakes and maybe having a row in one. It sounds sweet in my head lol. Hahaha, that's so funny. How did he manage that? I wouldn't either, I'd have been quite grumpy by the end of it. =)
Hahaha, your plot ideas have left you with some dodgy research to do. Imagine if someone opened up your computer to discover you'd been googling cannibalism and S&M, you're going to look like a right minx! Oooh are there? I've only read the first one, I haven't got around to the rest. I think it would as well. Wow, that's quite heavy. I think that with enough tweaks you can make something your own. I know what you mean. I get what you're saying about it. It's kind of like being sucked into something and not being able to free yourself. I knew it was an adult iea from the content. The YA book I read was light and funny but ultimately awesome.
It is, but I can still say I've been there. Let's like half of Scandinavia right there! We went to Swedish lakes and took canoes around them. Was nice. :) I'm sure my mum will read it for you if you like. :p She's nice in her critiques. I feel the same way about my early stuff! Unfortunately it's on fictionpress and I haven't been bothered to take it down! lol. So it's still accessible to anyone who goes looking for it.
I like both, I don't have a personal preference for reading, just for writing. Yeah, that gives you plenty of time for research. I'm going to try to do it but it'll depend a lot on my work load. I might have to spread it over 2 months. I can probably manage 4k words every other day. Yeah, a lot of people associate it with pretty things. It is still one of the nicest places in the UK in my opinion... but mud wall scaling tends to affect one's opinions of a place! And by walking path I obviously meant footpath, sigh. I'm not sure how he managed it. He just realised when the path we were on came to a sudden end and another one continued on about 20ft above us.
I know, I was just thinking about whether my computer would get tagged for researching taboo subjects! So have I but I have a friend who's obsessed with Dexter so I've heard all about it. The books are very different to the TV series. Well, it was a mediaeval opinion. :p Though there are 7 basic plots and you can apply at least one of the 7 (usually multiples, though) to every written work out there. Yeah, that's the idea! It sounded really good when I first came up with it. But then again, so did the idea of the story of the girl with the purple hair but I soon abadonned that on the trash heap of useless plots. Which YA book was it?
I like both, I don't have a personal preference for reading, just for writing. Yeah, that gives you plenty of time for research. I'm going to try to do it but it'll depend a lot on my work load. I might have to spread it over 2 months. I can probably manage 4k words every other day. Yeah, a lot of people associate it with pretty things. It is still one of the nicest places in the UK in my opinion... but mud wall scaling tends to affect one's opinions of a place! And by walking path I obviously meant footpath, sigh. I'm not sure how he managed it. He just realised when the path we were on came to a sudden end and another one continued on about 20ft above us.
I know, I was just thinking about whether my computer would get tagged for researching taboo subjects! So have I but I have a friend who's obsessed with Dexter so I've heard all about it. The books are very different to the TV series. Well, it was a mediaeval opinion. :p Though there are 7 basic plots and you can apply at least one of the 7 (usually multiples, though) to every written work out there. Yeah, that's the idea! It sounded really good when I first came up with it. But then again, so did the idea of the story of the girl with the purple hair but I soon abadonned that on the trash heap of useless plots. Which YA book was it?

I like both, but I just think there's something about being in the characters head. It does. I didn't have a plan last year so this time I will. I give character sheets a go and everything. Fair enough. I mean I think it's a brilliant way of getting a first draft down. I think if I work hard I can achieve something okay. I'll post on Goodreads as I work on it because then it will be motivation for me to keep going. Lol, I know what you meant don't worry about it. Haha, it happens to us all. Just not the mud wall scaling bit. XD
Hahaha, the idea of it just makes me want to giggle. You've certainly picked some very dodgy subjects. I like Dexter, I will get around to watching the rest of the TV show and reading the books it's just going to take time lol. I like how the show branched away from the books. Well that explains that then. =P That sounds fair enough, what are the 7 basic plots? I'm interested now. It does sound good. It's sounds better once the actual writing style has been discussed but it does sound good. The girl with the purple hair? What did you take as inspiration for that? 5 Colours in Her Hair by McFly? =P I want to know now. I'm intrigued. The book was

Well, it's not like we fell in! No capsizing there! Though when I was in Brownies we went kayaking once and the last thing they did was capsize us to make sure we could get out. I got a mouthful of rancid lake water, yuck! Actually she probably would if she was asked! I think she's quite interested in the writing process. I think being blunt is necessary otherwise your points don't get across if you sugarcoat them. I put it on Fictionpress mainly to get feedback. Most of it wasn't constructive, though. Just "oooh this is so good! I want more!"
Yeah, I like getting in a character's head. It's harder to do in 3rd person, though it's still possible. I dislike disconnected narrators, though. Ones that works like a CCTV camera and can only comment on events and not motives. Planning it is a good idea. Next time I go for it I need a proper plan. I'll look for my second to last one (last one got lost in a crash) so you can see the disaster. :p
I know how to pick my subjects! I think that taboo subjects are more appealing to readers if they're dealt with correctly. I certainly like them more if I find them. I really enjoy the TV series, it's one of the best on TV atm. I'll have to look them up but it's things like "epic quest" and "rags to riches". I'll look for the book tomorrow.
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Epics in WoW are purple. A friend of mine chose the purples over friendship and left me behind, effectively ending our friendship (it's a bit more complicated than that, but that's the bare bones of it.) So I was going to write it into a story about how a guy had a secret relationship with his best friend that he could never admit to the world at large. But then a new girl moves in - a girl with purple hair - and he can't resist her. He ends up choosing her over his original friend, thus sacrificing both their relationship and their friendship. The story was going to be about how she slowly gets over him and moves on with her life, while his slowly realises that his life isn't what he wants and he's trapped in it but wants out and back to what he gave up... Funny thing is, that's how it worked out in real life. By the time he'd got over himself, I'd moved on and wasn't interested in our friendship anymore.
Yeah, I like getting in a character's head. It's harder to do in 3rd person, though it's still possible. I dislike disconnected narrators, though. Ones that works like a CCTV camera and can only comment on events and not motives. Planning it is a good idea. Next time I go for it I need a proper plan. I'll look for my second to last one (last one got lost in a crash) so you can see the disaster. :p
I know how to pick my subjects! I think that taboo subjects are more appealing to readers if they're dealt with correctly. I certainly like them more if I find them. I really enjoy the TV series, it's one of the best on TV atm. I'll have to look them up but it's things like "epic quest" and "rags to riches". I'll look for the book tomorrow.
*long explanation inc!*
Epics in WoW are purple. A friend of mine chose the purples over friendship and left me behind, effectively ending our friendship (it's a bit more complicated than that, but that's the bare bones of it.) So I was going to write it into a story about how a guy had a secret relationship with his best friend that he could never admit to the world at large. But then a new girl moves in - a girl with purple hair - and he can't resist her. He ends up choosing her over his original friend, thus sacrificing both their relationship and their friendship. The story was going to be about how she slowly gets over him and moves on with her life, while his slowly realises that his life isn't what he wants and he's trapped in it but wants out and back to what he gave up... Funny thing is, that's how it worked out in real life. By the time he'd got over himself, I'd moved on and wasn't interested in our friendship anymore.

I know, that's why I love 1st person. I can get why you don't like it, it makes the story seem clinical. I don't like that in a story. I think so too. I am attempting my very first character sheet today. (I used Google to get an idea on how to set it up and everything.) I thought I'd start working on the hostage one now because I'll have a good three months of planning it before switching to my racing one for NaNoWriMo. Yay! I like disasters lol. It proves I'm not alone.
You really do! I think they are too, but they can't be dealt with in a stupid way. I think so too. It really stands out against some of the stuff that's on. Awesome! =)
Wow. So you're friend ditched you and you decided to write a fictional story about it. Would he have known it was about him? You're better off without people like that.
Ooh check you daring to go on the water! (I can't really compare with you there because I have no memory of times before I knew how to swim so me and water get on just fine.) Canal boats don't go fast enough to give you travel sickness. I got it going across from Hollyhead to Dublin. I got it bad that day. I don't recommend that stretch on a day when the weather is bad. It is because you go through lots of different stages of forming the characters and you can watch them coming to life. That's true. That's pretty much all the feedback you ever get on the net. "Hurry up and write more, I want to know what's going to happen next!!!eleven!!!!!1!1!!"
Yeah, I don't like that. When you just observe everything, all characters just come acorss as sex obsessed twats because you can't see them forming relationships. Ooh, how'd it go? How's it going for you? Already got started? Hehe, you certainly aren't! But at least I don't share it with people then sudden;y stop work on it. I hate that even more.
Yeah, they have to be dealt with respectfully or it doesn't show it right. It is, but of course it's controversial in the US, but then, isn't everything? I want to read the books. Must get around to getting them.
Pretty much. It was a way of exorcising the pains he inflicted! I know, but it hurt at the time. I'm better off now, though!
Yeah, I don't like that. When you just observe everything, all characters just come acorss as sex obsessed twats because you can't see them forming relationships. Ooh, how'd it go? How's it going for you? Already got started? Hehe, you certainly aren't! But at least I don't share it with people then sudden;y stop work on it. I hate that even more.
Yeah, they have to be dealt with respectfully or it doesn't show it right. It is, but of course it's controversial in the US, but then, isn't everything? I want to read the books. Must get around to getting them.
Pretty much. It was a way of exorcising the pains he inflicted! I know, but it hurt at the time. I'm better off now, though!

I know. It makes me giggle though when they come across as nymphos. It went okay it took me an hour to do a little bit. I'm not sure it's very good but I'm going to try and get a bit further with it tomorrow. Yeah I thought I might as well since I'm going to be working on two stories at the same time. I try not to do that. I keep having to put Apocalypse on ice because I get to a point where I don't know what to do with it. I'm in it for the long haul with that one. I'm going to plan my others properly though so i know what I'm doing.
I know, and if it shown wrong it can make the author look really bad. I know, you only have to sneeze the wrong away and America have a panic attack. They're so worried about political correctness.
I do that with my poetry. It always does hurt at the time but time is a great healer. I know it's a massive cliche but it's kind of true.
Lol, that makes sense then! We went on two school trips to France (when I was still in England) one to Normandy and one to the Ardeche (river) then the Med - in Paris we went on a trip down the Seine; we went down the Ardeche in canoes then did water sports at the Med. Loved it! (It's never too late to learn! Your body does most of the work naturally anyway so long as you keep moving a bit.) Good idea. Last few times I've travelled across the sea it's been a choppy sea and my head's felt like it was about to explode. Owwies. I get the same. I don't understand how people can praise writing where the punctuation, structure, spelling, grammar, etc are all questionable. Some people start new paragraphs all the time when what they're saying is a subordinate clause and the main clause is in the previous paragraph! You can't break them up like that, darn it! Yeah, they do. Good that it cracks you up, it bugs me. :p I'm such a grump.
Which sheet are you using? I can understand why you're in it for the long haul... and also understand your block. I get block a lot and have to wait for some form of inspiration to shine a light on where I wanna go with the story. I used to work on multiple stories at once. Now I'm lucky if I can get myself to work on one at once!
Well, with Dexter it's more the idea that you are brought to empathise with a serial killer and apparently as intelligent animals we are not capable of separating fact (serial killers are not good people) from fiction (Dexter is not a good person but you like him anyway.)
That's why I always recommend that people try to write out their frustrations. :)
Which sheet are you using? I can understand why you're in it for the long haul... and also understand your block. I get block a lot and have to wait for some form of inspiration to shine a light on where I wanna go with the story. I used to work on multiple stories at once. Now I'm lucky if I can get myself to work on one at once!
Well, with Dexter it's more the idea that you are brought to empathise with a serial killer and apparently as intelligent animals we are not capable of separating fact (serial killers are not good people) from fiction (Dexter is not a good person but you like him anyway.)
That's why I always recommend that people try to write out their frustrations. :)

I don't know, I just found this: http://ezinearticles.com/?Using-Chara... on Google. I do too. I hate the waiting though which is why I'm going to start this hostage one. I need to Google police procedure when it comes to hostage situations. I've never done it before. I thought I'd give it a shot. =)
I think it's clever that they've managed to do that. It's far cleverer than sitting there and hating a serial killer. I can separate fact from fiction... ocassionally lol. =P
It's good advice. =)
It was really cool. I'd love to go back to the Ardeche and canoe down it again. (Then your brother shall always be better than you in something! Can you accept that?!) Yes, I seem to be very good at that. If I'm outside on the deck it's better than if I'm inside. But it's cold and windy and sometimes wet on the deck. This is why I prefer flying. You sound like you were being nice! I would. :p I saw it in another work that I read recently. Trust me, if you wrote something like that it would stick out like such a sore thumb.
That you would notice it. (like that!)
That looks like a pretty good list of things to have in mind. It follows more or less what I put on my character sheets. Make sure you get the correct ones for the country you're taking as your setting! They'll be different in different countries but a lot of people just take the US ones for some reason and assume other countries will use the exact same procedures.
I do, too. You know he's not a good person, but still you want him to triumph over the other killers out there. It was a new and interesting direction to take as well. So can most people. :p Though not 14 year old girls, apparently.
That you would notice it. (like that!)
That looks like a pretty good list of things to have in mind. It follows more or less what I put on my character sheets. Make sure you get the correct ones for the country you're taking as your setting! They'll be different in different countries but a lot of people just take the US ones for some reason and assume other countries will use the exact same procedures.
I do, too. You know he's not a good person, but still you want him to triumph over the other killers out there. It was a new and interesting direction to take as well. So can most people. :p Though not 14 year old girls, apparently.

That really does stand out. It confused me for a bit. (I will admit I'm slightly tired.)
I wasn't sure so I found another one as well which has more information on it. Does it? That's good, I've never written character sheets before so I just took one that looked good. I will, the book's going to be set in the UK, I don't want to write about the US. I know that they won't be the same in every country.
I know, he's a bad person that does bad things for a good reason. It was, I like that there's nothing else like it out there. You'd hope so. Hahaha! Oh Edward, Edward! =P
It is. That's why I'd love to go gypsy caravaning again! My mum hated it but I had so much fun in those two short weeks! (Yeah! Go you! I love swimming. I just do laps and all I do for an hour is thinking about numbers. 1,1,1,1,1,1 ; 2,2,2,2,2,2 ; 3,3,3,3,3,3 ; etc. Very relaxing.) Is it always choppy coming back? I sometimes get headaches from flying but I can control them with hard-boiled sweets. Why would you type a story on your mobile?! That's not even worth reading. I didn't tell them yet. I might put it in my review when I get around to it.
I put as much info on mine as I can think of when I first set it up, then usually add bits to it as the character becomes more solid in my head. Yey! I like to write about Europe, but then I try to get myself a friend in the country I'm writing about who can advise me on the language, culture, etc. There's already a lot of stuff set in the US by writers who know the place better than me. (Having said that, one of the best non fiction books about Canada was written by a lady who'd never visisted Canada!) You'd be surprised how many people don't realise it isn't the same. This worries me.
That's how I see it too. He takes out other bad people. It's like an alpha murderer spot or something and he has to protect it. How did you guess? :p Isn't it funny how our convos seem to also come back to Twilight?!
I put as much info on mine as I can think of when I first set it up, then usually add bits to it as the character becomes more solid in my head. Yey! I like to write about Europe, but then I try to get myself a friend in the country I'm writing about who can advise me on the language, culture, etc. There's already a lot of stuff set in the US by writers who know the place better than me. (Having said that, one of the best non fiction books about Canada was written by a lady who'd never visisted Canada!) You'd be surprised how many people don't realise it isn't the same. This worries me.
That's how I see it too. He takes out other bad people. It's like an alpha murderer spot or something and he has to protect it. How did you guess? :p Isn't it funny how our convos seem to also come back to Twilight?!

Yeah, I'm thinking I'll do that but I've hit a bit of a snag. I can't find anything on UK hostage procedures on the internet. I know, why would I write about somewhere I've never been? Hmmm.... I'm wishing it was the same right now. It worries me too.
I know lol. It's such a great concept and so well portrayed. Oh I don't know... maybe because we always diss Twilight and its fans. =P I know, you started it this time though!
Oh, I loved it! I had my own horse for two whole weeks and I got to ride all day every day. I was in heaven! (Eh, the no one cares in the swimming pool :p But get a one piece suit, not a two piece one, and get a proper one else you risk it sliding down under your breasts whenever you push off from the side! Not good!) Or a type writer. Type writiers are also cool. But harder to correct typos.
You could go to your local police department as ask them. :p Say you're doing research for a novel. They might help, they might tell you to bugger off.
I won't spoil it yet... have you seen season 4? Season 4's ending was so sad. :( Yeah, I did... I just couldn't resist!!
You could go to your local police department as ask them. :p Say you're doing research for a novel. They might help, they might tell you to bugger off.
I won't spoil it yet... have you seen season 4? Season 4's ending was so sad. :( Yeah, I did... I just couldn't resist!!

I could, but my local police station is the HQ. I think I may see about sending an e-mail or something instead. I really don't do well talking to people. (I have many failings lol.) =P
I did see it I was so upset. =( You never can!! Mind you, neither can I! =P
Oh, I enjoyed the camping bit too. But I was 10 or 11 so I didn't care that I was stuck in a tiny bed in a tiny caravan surrounded by fields. I thought it was fantab! (I am too, but I get over it for the swimming pool. But that could just be because I like water so much. I had one of those two piece sets where the top covers your belly then you have shorts. The top kept sliding down! Never again! One piece all the way now if I actually mean to do any swimming.) Well, I would have thought computer would just be better in general for writing. I had one when I was little. I liked it.
Ah, fairy snuff. Hoepfully they won't think you're preparing to enact a hostage situation. :p
Me too! I was all like RITA! NOOOOOOO! :'( :'( tear tear. But they just make it so easy to make fun of them! It is impossible to resist the temptation.
Ah, fairy snuff. Hoepfully they won't think you're preparing to enact a hostage situation. :p
Me too! I was all like RITA! NOOOOOOO! :'( :'( tear tear. But they just make it so easy to make fun of them! It is impossible to resist the temptation.

I know. =P It's kind of a worry, or I could omit the police involvment so then it focuses purely on Annabella (as I've named my woman) and her assailant that wants revenge. It could just be the two characters and everyone else that appears in a flashback sort of way.
I know. I was horrified. I liked Rita. ='( I know they do. They're easy targets.
Oh, totally. That's where I ended up with the horse standing on my knee because they gave me a horse that was scared of heavy traffic, then one day they came out and reshod him and the day after he was scared of absolutely everything and it ended in disaster. (It was very embarassing! The cozzie went straight in the bin!) I think they do, but only speciality places and they cost an arm and a leg.
Yeah, that might be a good idea, else they might put a tracker on you! Haha. I like your name. :) You'll juggle things to fit how you want it. It sounds like an interesting idea.
Me too. I couldn't believe they'd written her out! But she's still in the books. They so are. I make fun of my Twilight fan friends all the time.
Yeah, that might be a good idea, else they might put a tracker on you! Haha. I like your name. :) You'll juggle things to fit how you want it. It sounds like an interesting idea.
Me too. I couldn't believe they'd written her out! But she's still in the books. They so are. I make fun of my Twilight fan friends all the time.

That's what I was thinking. A police helicopter was practically overhead as I was coming home today I thought: Oh they're keeping tabs on me and I only used Google! XD Thank you, I like it too. It's one of my favourites. =) I think I will. Thank you. =D
I know, at least she's in the books. =) I know, they get so offended and that makes it funnier.
I'm not sure why they gave me that one. He was a really nice horse, though. If he'd been my own horse I'd have loved him - just kept him in a livery away from busy roads. Part of the problem was they gave us tack that wasn't just for one horse - it was used for multiple horses so the bridle I had was too big for the horse and he could get the bit out of his mouth! That's dangerous. We could probably have had them done for that. (I was, but I got my 60 lengths in first!) Yup. It's not like they're overly expensive anymore.
Haha, they're already keeping tabs on your activities! At school we were told that if you check Mein Kampf out of the library the government will keep an eye on you for fear of you believing in those ideals... but in some American schools it seems to be required reading!
Yeah, that's one of the main reasons why I wanna read the books. :p I know! And they can't get back at me because none of them have bothered to read the books that I adore.
Haha, they're already keeping tabs on your activities! At school we were told that if you check Mein Kampf out of the library the government will keep an eye on you for fear of you believing in those ideals... but in some American schools it seems to be required reading!
Yeah, that's one of the main reasons why I wanna read the books. :p I know! And they can't get back at me because none of them have bothered to read the books that I adore.

I know they are! Well it was either me or the chemical spill. Wow, people can be overly jumpy about things like that. Just because I want to know about hostage taking doesn't mean I'm going to kidnap anyone!
I really have to read the rest. Book 1 was so good. I may have to unbury them from my TBR pile. =) That's always a plus. I don't let on about my favourites to anyone who can use them against me. =D
He was just scared of something. Fear is irrational, like my fear of spiders, so I can't fault the horse for it. It would have been, yes, and there are probably laws saying they do have to have at least bridles that fit them! (I kept hiking it back up and stopped pushing off. It worked out well enough. :p) I don't know what the prices are like here, but they're low enough.
Ah, the chemical spill doesn't sound good! I know, it's not like I can recreate the Nazi party from just reading Hitler's book. It's a piece of historical interest, not ideals that I hold myself to. Precisely! Authors do need subjects to write about that are not as boring as watching paint dry. Unless they're writing for YA today, in which case, go paint!!
I need to buy them first. :p I think book 5 just went into paperback so I might look into it now. :) Only my mum and a couple of close friends know my real favourites. And anyone who bothers to check my Goodreads, I guess, but most people don't know about it.
Ah, the chemical spill doesn't sound good! I know, it's not like I can recreate the Nazi party from just reading Hitler's book. It's a piece of historical interest, not ideals that I hold myself to. Precisely! Authors do need subjects to write about that are not as boring as watching paint dry. Unless they're writing for YA today, in which case, go paint!!
I need to buy them first. :p I think book 5 just went into paperback so I might look into it now. :) Only my mum and a couple of close friends know my real favourites. And anyone who bothers to check my Goodreads, I guess, but most people don't know about it.

I know, I heard about it from my brother, I would have asked more about it but I am ignoring him because he moved my favourite nail varnishes and it took me ages to find them this morning. I know, I mean Hitler was a horrible person but his motivations might be interesting. I will never condone his treatment of Jews though. Lol... *coughs* Twilight, VA.
Haha. I've got book 5 in hardback. =) My mum knows which books I love to rave about but she didn't even know I liked HP so I'm not sure how much she actually knows about what I like.
They should have because I wasn't prepared for it and I was only young. Well, saddles are easier to swap around than bridles. So long as the girth is long enough to go round but short enough to not run out of bits to pop it into before it's secure, then you're alright. But bridles have to be the length of the horse's head and if it's too long you lose some control over the horse. In my case I lost almost all control because the bit wasn't in his mouth to help me get my points across. (Well, I did spend a long time in France and they have no qualms about showing off their boobage. I'm kinda caught in the middle. I prefer not to show it off but I won't die of embarrassment if it pops out by accident.)
Aww, that wasn't very nice of him! What colour are your nails atm? I did mine brown yesterday :) And my toes are glittery pink! :D He was yes and what he did to the Jews, the homosexuals, the resistants, etc. is unpardonable, but it'd be interesting to see where his ideas came from. Lol, yes! I'm sure there are more too but I have had the good fortune to miss out on them.
Ooooh check you! I can't afford hardback of anything except Trudi Canavan. And that's only because I have every single one of her other books in hardback so I want to stay in keeping! My mum just knows about the books that I pass on to her. Whenever she comes here we swap books. :p
Aww, that wasn't very nice of him! What colour are your nails atm? I did mine brown yesterday :) And my toes are glittery pink! :D He was yes and what he did to the Jews, the homosexuals, the resistants, etc. is unpardonable, but it'd be interesting to see where his ideas came from. Lol, yes! I'm sure there are more too but I have had the good fortune to miss out on them.
Ooooh check you! I can't afford hardback of anything except Trudi Canavan. And that's only because I have every single one of her other books in hardback so I want to stay in keeping! My mum just knows about the books that I pass on to her. Whenever she comes here we swap books. :p

It wasn't. =( They're navy blue, red and yellow. XD I always do bright colours. I never do my toes, it's bad enough doing my fingers! I know, it doesn't make us bad people it means that we're interested in the history of the world. Yeah, Blue Bloods isn't the best series either. Lucky you.
It was a Christmas present! They got me the books but not the DVDs I'm demanding them this year. My mum read some of Trudi Canavan's books. I'm going to hunt them down and read them. XD I sometimes tell my mum to read my books, she doesn't really get why though. I sometimes steal my mum's books. =P
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But keep it up, coz well, its the only one, if it gets picked, i could help with:)