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message 1: by Phil (new)

Phil | 11837 comments If you replace "is" with "in" you'd correct the grammar, but it would still sound a bit clunky.

We would need to have a bit more of the "---" filled in to know the proper phrasing, but you could go with, "In referenct to your ---" or maybe, "I'm writing regarding your ---."


message 2: by Michael (new)

Michael Is this letter for you or someone else? I think I'd start it, "I'm writing regarding...", or "I'm writing on behalf of..."


message 3: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) Gabby wrote: "Thanks Phil and Michael.

It is a letter to be written by myself.

"I am writing regarding" , is this common in modern formal communication, particularly in North America?"


That is quite common, yes.


message 4: by Heidi (new)

Heidi (heidihooo) | 10825 comments Is it a letter in which you're initiating the contact, Gabby, or is it a follow-up response? What's the tone of the letter? Is it a query? A complaint? A thank you? A proposal? That could change the opening sentence, as well.


message 5: by Sally, la reina (new)

Sally (mrsnolte) | 17373 comments Mod
Maybe instead you could say
in regards to the aforementioned ...


message 6: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 3594 comments Hope it's OK if I ask a question here, too. This is one that's stumped me for a while.

A sentence similar to this one was given as an example in an SAT practice book as correct punctuation for a compound sentence:

Professor Jones is strict, but has been known to bend the rules.

This doesn't follow the rule for a compound sentence (s-v-conj-s-v). Can anyone cite a grammar rule that applies?


message 7: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
What do you mean it doesn't follow the rule for a compound sentence?


message 8: by Jonathan (last edited May 27, 2011 05:49PM) (new)

Jonathan Lopez | 4726 comments The book you're using may say the punctuation is correct, Scout, but the AP style book, Chicago Manual of Style, Strunk & White, and many others would disagree.

No comma here:

Professor Jones is strict but has been known to bend the rules.

Comma here:

Professor Jones is strict, but she has been known to bend the rules.


message 9: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
In the New Yorker that would be "Professor Jones, is strict, but she, has been known, to bend the rules."


message 10: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
I noticed some fucked up comma usage in the WSJ yesterday. I had to leave.


message 11: by Jonathan (new)

Jonathan Lopez | 4726 comments You forgot to place an unnecessary umlaut somewhere at random in that sentence, LG.


message 12: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
Oh yeah. "Professor Jonés, is striçt, but she, has beën known, to bënd, the rules."


message 14: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 3594 comments Thanks, Jonathan. I agree. The SAT people were wrong. Not the first time.


message 15: by Stina (new)

Stina (stinalee) | 749 comments I am well aware that I have no idea how to properly use commas. I've learned, but it doesn't seem to stick.

Did I use it right there? My guess is no.


message 16: by Phil (new)

Phil | 11837 comments You did use it right there. You also used it correctly.


message 17: by Stina (last edited May 27, 2011 06:50PM) (new)

Stina (stinalee) | 749 comments Phil wrote: "You did use it right there. You also used it correctly."

Whoo-hoo! Look at me, being all grammatical- except for using "right" instead of "correctly". Dammit.

One day at a time...


message 18: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) Right there. No not there. Right there.


message 19: by Sally, la reina (new)

Sally (mrsnolte) | 17373 comments Mod
Just dont put commas between the subject and the verb.


message 20: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) Period.


message 21: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
The Wall Street Journal does it.


message 22: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) The Fox Street Journal.


message 23: by Jonathan (last edited May 27, 2011 08:13PM) (new)

Jonathan Lopez | 4726 comments But the WSJ calls everyone Mr. or Ms., which makes it okay. (Not really.)

Actually there are lots of situations where it would be correct to have a comma appear between a subject and verb, for instance if a parenthetic phrase occurred after the subject was introduced. Mr. Jones, who is serving a ten-year sentence for manslaughter, contends that prison food has caused him grievous bodily harm.


message 24: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) Bodily harm it did, yes.


message 25: by Phil (last edited May 27, 2011 08:27PM) (new)

Phil | 11837 comments Jonathan wrote: "Actually there are lots of situations where it would be correct to have a comma appear between a subject and verb, for instance if a parenthetic phrase occurred after the subject was introduced. Mr. Jones, who is serving a ten-year sentence for manslaughter, contends that prison food has caused him grievous bodily harm."

I would eliminate the extraneous "who is" in that example. It makes a cleaner sentence.

Mr. Jones, serving a ten-year sentence for manslaughter, contends that prison food has caused him grievous bodily harm.

Grammarians, a ruling please?


message 26: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) Grievous bodily harm.


message 27: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
Typical sentence from WSJ real estate section: "The owners 11.4-acre property in Wayland, Mass., replaced their existing renovated with a 25,400-square-foot home with five bedrooms in 2002."


message 28: by Jonathan (last edited May 27, 2011 08:39PM) (new)

Jonathan Lopez | 4726 comments Phil wrote: Grammarians, a ruling please?

Using "who" introduces a dependent clause. Omitting it creates a phrase in apposition. Both structures are perfectly correct from the standpoint of grammar. The choice would really depend on the surrounding text, style book, personal preference, editorial demands, and possibly word count if you're writing for publication.


message 29: by Jonathan (new)

Jonathan Lopez | 4726 comments Lobstergirl wrote: "Typical sentence from WSJ real estate section: "The owners 11.4-acre property in Wayland, Mass., replaced their existing renovated with a 25,400-square-foot home with five bedrooms in 2002.""

Their existing renovated what?


message 30: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
Another sample: "Norma 'Neesa' Becker-Procaccino, bought two 19th-century buildings in the Queen Village neighborhood of Philadelphia in 2002 and, with her husband, Virgil Procaccino, tore them down."


message 31: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
Jonathan wrote: "Their existing renovated what? "

? Mystery.


message 32: by Jonathan (last edited May 27, 2011 08:43PM) (new)

Jonathan Lopez | 4726 comments Poor Virgil. That one isn't as bad as the first, but it's still a bit strange.

By the way, why are you reading about Philadelphia real estate?


message 33: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
I'm just looking at the House(s) of the Day. Real estate porn. I'm in Hong Kong now.


message 34: by Jonathan (last edited May 27, 2011 09:01PM) (new)

Jonathan Lopez | 4726 comments What is it, about noon there in Hong Kong?


message 35: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
I couldn't say, I'm in Macau now.


message 36: by Jonathan (new)

Jonathan Lopez | 4726 comments You really get around.


message 37: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 3594 comments An armchair traveler.


message 38: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
Ugh!!! Unnecessary comma.

The marriage was a difficult one and he eventually left her for model and singer, Carla Bruni who is now married to French President Nicolas Sarkozy.


message 39: by Stina (new)

Stina (stinalee) | 749 comments Please help!
I'm putting together a presentation for someone else and received text to drop in from another coworker. They used this sentence:

Mr. First Guy, the General Manager of _________, worked with and under Other Guy for many years. This is where he received his formidable training in the automotive industry.

I think "formidable training" sounds weird. When you read it, do you think of the "awe and wonder" definition or the "fear and dread" definition?


message 40: by Jim (new)

Jim | 6484 comments maybe it should be formative training?


message 41: by Stina (new)

Stina (stinalee) | 749 comments Thanks Jim and Barb! I'm going to give both extensive and formative as options during the edit!!


message 42: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
The photo caption writers of America's news websites are the most illiterate people I have ever come across. I want to punch them all in the gut.

At the Chicago Tribune, I don't even think they are English speakers. Damn. It is bad.


message 43: by Sally, la reina (new)

Sally (mrsnolte) | 17373 comments Mod
In the health care thread Lg said this: " Gawker writers are always being sardonic" - what does it mean to be sardonic?


And if you respond by linking me to the wikipedia entry on sardonic I'll hit you with this cast iron frying pan.


message 44: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) And walk like an Egyptian.


message 45: by Sally, la reina (new)

Sally (mrsnolte) | 17373 comments Mod
Very helpful, you two.


message 46: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
Sardonic means:
1. Derisive, mocking, cynical.
2. Containing bloated, undigested Craisins.


message 47: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) De nada.


message 48: by Sally, la reina (new)

Sally (mrsnolte) | 17373 comments Mod
Ha!


message 49: by Kenneth P. (new)

Kenneth P. (kennethp) I am older than he.
I am older than him.

I like the first. In published work I see both. With the spoken word, the first is almost never used, at least in my circles (which is a reasonably educated bunch).


message 50: by Kenneth P. (new)

Kenneth P. (kennethp) He and she went to dinner.
I went to dinner with him and her.

Yay or nay?


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