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message 1: by Melody (new)

Melody (runningtune) | 13300 comments What's our position on Baby Journals? Like this one:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22...


message 2: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
I'd say they vary. That one does appear to have actual text.


message 3: by Melody (last edited May 12, 2011 08:48AM) (new)

Melody (runningtune) | 13300 comments Just to make sure. Comic books and periodicals that are NOT bound should be NAB?

Oh and these* NABs just appeared and don't look right to me.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10...

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10...

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11...

*Edit (and they are all from the same author)


message 4: by MissJessie (new)

MissJessie | 866 comments Looks like the author NAB'd herself for some reason..

Librarian Edits for The Mud Queen
(showing 1-5 of 5)
all editions | this edition

Robin Brande
Robin Brande updated the book The Mud Queen by NOT A BOOK
author: Robin Brande to NOT A BOOK
1 hour, 30 min ago (#7652896)
The Mud Queen by NOT A BOOK


message 5: by Melody (last edited May 12, 2011 10:19AM) (new)

Melody (runningtune) | 13300 comments http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004S30Z0U

and the first one is still available on Amazon. I'm going to defer to rivka on this one. Sounds like the author should be contacted.

After reading her blog it looks like it's some sort of bad blood between the author and the publisher.

Another case of an author thinking about Goodreads as a bookstore rather than a library.


message 6: by Melody (new)

Melody (runningtune) | 13300 comments http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/69...

Are movie quotes enough to count a journal as a book?


message 7: by Carolyn (new)

Carolyn (seeford) | 573 comments Agreed. It is still being sold on Amazon, so it should be listed on GR. Funny, though she took her name off of it, she didn't take off the url listed, which takes you right to the page on Amazon to purchase it...


message 8: by Melody (new)

Melody (runningtune) | 13300 comments She has one edition of each listed on her page too. Not sure if that was a mistake or by design.

Another question about journals/calendars. http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42...

Would that one have enough text to keep as a book? The whole journal/calendar thing confuses me.


message 9: by Melody (new)

Melody (runningtune) | 13300 comments Carolyn wrote: "Agreed. It is still being sold on Amazon, so it should be listed on GR. Funny, though she took her name off of it, she didn't take off the url listed, which takes you right to the page on Amazon to..."

And it really doesn't matter if it is still for sale. If it was ever in circulation it should be listed.


message 10: by MissJessie (last edited May 12, 2011 11:58AM) (new)

MissJessie | 866 comments Melody wrote: "She has one edition of each listed on her page too. Not sure if that was a mistake or by design.

Another question about journals/calendars. http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42......"


I ask myself would I buy this book/nab just to read the text? If so, it's a book. If not, it's a journal/calendar/whatever with some text added for interest.


message 11: by Melody (last edited May 12, 2011 12:00PM) (new)

Melody (runningtune) | 13300 comments But that's not what the manual says. Just reread the part about NAB. It says if it has text.

And the one I linked has book reviews. I guess someone might really buy it for the book reviews.


message 12: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl Melody wrote: "But that's not what the manual says. Just reread the part about NAB. It says if it has text.

And the one I linked has book reviews. I guess someone might really buy it for the book reviews."


How do you know it has book reviews? I suspect it doesn't.


message 13: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl I just noticed that "puzzle books" are not supposed to be NABbed (as distinct from puzzles). There are tons of NABbed puzzle books. (Possibly nabbed before the definition was refined...) Also NABbed: lots of children's activity books - the type you bring on long car trips.


message 14: by Melody (new)

Melody (runningtune) | 13300 comments It's actually photographs and quotes. Hey - don't make me defend this. I believe they should be NABed. But I'm just trying to do what the manual says:

"The New York Review of Books 2009 Desk Diary features fifty-three of Dominique Nabokov’s black-and-white photographs of novelists, poets, and playwrights whose works have been reviewed by or who themselves have written for The New York Review of Books. This collection of author portraits includes Seamus Heaney, John Ashbery, Joan Didion, Italo Calvino, Marguerite Duras, Czeslaw Milosz, and dozens of other international literary luminaries. Each portrait is accompanied by quotation by or about the writer that has appeared in The New York Review of Books."


message 15: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl There's a used copy on sale at Amazon for $100,000.


message 16: by Melody (new)

Melody (runningtune) | 13300 comments And in "very good condition". Plus it has the whereabouts and doctor's appointments of its previous owner. (I made that last part up)

I hate the whole coloring book, paper doll, stickers, journal, baby book, calendar thing. But it's not my game.

Yes - i'm sure I'm responsible for many a puzzle book.


message 17: by MissJessie (last edited May 12, 2011 04:45PM) (new)

MissJessie | 866 comments Trouble is, "text" is so loose a definition. Is a coloring book from Disney, for example, with a picture of a deer with "Bambi" (text) under it really text and therefore a book? No I don't think so either. Or a journal or coloring book with Impressionist paintings, with the title and artist listed? No not when I'm doing it.

(EDIT)Literal interpretation of the rules just doesn't always lead to a sensible solution.

But it is such a pain in the rear to be criticised that I have largely quite messing with coloring books, puzzle books and so on.

I'll go halvsies on it with you LG. How about it? :)

cheers


message 18: by Lobstergirl (last edited May 12, 2011 04:52PM) (new)

Lobstergirl I'm not going to go in and mess with coloring books or puzzle books as a project. If I see one in a random search that looks miscategorized, I might change it, but I'm not going to dedicate large chunks of time to something where the rules change so frequently.

However, I don't quite understand the logic behind calling a coloring book a NAB, but not a puzzle book. They're both non-reading activities for children.


message 19: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Puzzle books have things like crossword puzzles, wordfinds, etc. I disagree with calling those "non-reading activities".

Fixed the Brande books.


message 20: by MissJessie (new)

MissJessie | 866 comments Actually LG I wasn't clear. I was offering to go halfsies on buying the 100K book. Just a poor joke.

Won't touch coloring books with a stick, too much varying opinion. Rules changes don't help either. And really,in the great scheme of events, how important is it?

Well, yes Rivka, you have to read puzzles and so on. But I don't think that's the same as reading a book..with a plot or a point if nonfiction.

But again, not touching those either. Life's too short to get into arguments over things which aren't relevant to life and happiness, so to speak.


message 21: by Shay (new)

Shay | 177 comments I think there's a whole book series called something like the 50 states coloring books. It has text on every page. Something like, "The State Flower of the State of Nevada is the Sagebrush." It goes on to briefly describe the colors of the sagebrush, then the kids can color the picture of the sagebrush. Then, another page will have the state flag and it'll briefly explain the symbols. I think there's also a state history series too that has big events with a few sentences of text then a picture that illustrates it to color.


message 22: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Shay, that sort of coloring book should not be NAB'd.


message 23: by Shay (new)

Shay | 177 comments rivka wrote: "Shay, that sort of coloring book should not be NAB'd."

I know. That's why, maybe, coloring books should be the kind of thing that people shouldn't "touch" (NAB) unless they can verify it with an actual copy.


message 24: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl People need to be careful with paper dolls, too. The entire Tom Tierney series has text in each book and the books are generally collected, by people interested in clothing history and costume design. I've un-nabbed lots of them.


message 25: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
They are far in the minority, though.


message 26: by Melody (new)

Melody (runningtune) | 13300 comments Back to my question about the comic book and the calendar. Should they stay nabbed or should they be switched back?


message 27: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Comic books that have an ISBN or ASIN should be left as not-NAB. Ones that don't can be deleted. In neither case would NABing be necessary.

Calendars are usually correct NABed. Sorry, which one were you asking about again?


message 28: by Melody (new)

Melody (runningtune) | 13300 comments http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/69...

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42...

that's the journal and the calendar

http://www.goodreads.com/book/edits/1...

Brande has put her books back in the NAB list

And this is an example of the comics that I'm asking about

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20...


message 29: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Is there any reason to think that calendar or journal have significant blocks of text? Otherwise I think NAB is correct.


Bah. Brande's books now have Notes and correct author.


That comic sure looks bound to me. I don't think it should be NAB.


message 30: by Melody (new)

Melody (runningtune) | 13300 comments No reason except that description that I posted. Just had gone back to review the NAB rules and got cold feet about calendars and journals in general.

"The New York Review of Books 2009 Desk Diary features fifty-three of Dominique Nabokov’s black-and-white photographs of novelists, poets, and playwrights whose works have been reviewed by or who themselves have written for The New York Review of Books. This collection of author portraits includes Seamus Heaney, John Ashbery, Joan Didion, Italo Calvino, Marguerite Duras, Czeslaw Milosz, and dozens of other international literary luminaries. Each portrait is accompanied by quotation by or about the writer that has appeared in The New York Review of Books."


message 31: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
That's definitely an edge case. I lean slightly towards un-NABing -- that's a fairly substantial amount of content, I think.


message 32: by Carolyn (new)

Carolyn (seeford) | 573 comments My two cents is that it should be nabbed - I don't think a calendar with a single quote for each photo counts as a significant amount of content. YMMV of course. = )


message 33: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl Please separate before NABbing, librarians. I often come across nabbed items, still sitting among 15 other book editions, which have been nabbed recently, in the last few months, by librarians who do a lot of edits. A lot.


message 34: by Blinkin'ijiot (new)

Blinkin'ijiot | 6 comments I'm new at this, and I have just imported my first author (from Amazon.fr). Some of the "books" are the same but have been repackaged with a kitchen tool that goes with the recipes (i.e. custard cups for a book on custards). Should I NAB the book that is packaged with the equipment or is it a different edition that I should combine with the book?


message 35: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
If they include the actual book, they should not be NAB'd. Just combine with its fellows.


message 36: by Blinkin'ijiot (new)

Blinkin'ijiot | 6 comments OK, thanks!


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