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Does anyone go to hell?
I saw a video MSNBC yesterday of a nanny beating up a 1 year old baby. I saw a movie at the Museum of Tolerance of Nazis throwing live infants out of a second story window of a hospital into a garbage truck.I sure hope they go to hell.
I am having deja vu right now. But you already knew that, too.
Clark wrote: "I've been there a few times:"
I've been to the one on Grand Cayman.
It's way too early for me to even form thoughts to be part of the discussion. Serious debates aren't really my thing anyway.
Isn't Hell technically just the devil's playground anyway and just a general catch all term? It's not the actual destination of where the damnation takes place iirc. Isn't that the lake of fire, or the place where there will be gnashing of teeth, etc...
Anyway, I doubt I'll jump on this carousel. Nothing good ever comes from these discussions, and they usually end with someone feeling belittled or frustrated.
I fall on the believe side, and prefer not to debate it because I know that I have my own reasons for my beliefs and didn't come to them because of a church or parent forcing them down my throat.
Aynge wrote: "I saw a video MSNBC yesterday of a nanny beating up a 1 year old baby. I saw a movie at the Museum of Tolerance of Nazis throwing live infants out of a second story window of a hospital into a garb..."I agree. I think that, for me, that hell is of one's own making, but there are some people who are just pure evil. I need to believe in a sense of balance...heaven for those who are good, or did the best they could with their lives, hell for the truely evil. Hitler going to he'll may be a cliche, but for what he did, there should be retribution. Otherwise, life doesn't make sense to me.
Kaput wrote: "Hell is other people.Copyright - some french guy."
Sartre?
So what's that supposed to mean?![kidding]
Hell is here and now. And if we're still relatively kicking, let's celebrate and eat!Bun - whatever you said about threads like this can work when people leave their defenses at the door, applause.
I happen to know some truly devout Christians, so of course they believe in heaven and hell, but it's never been a source of contention. If that's their path, that's fine. Two of the ladies I am speaking of are full of grace, the goodest people I know. We'll discuss our beliefs, in real interest and curiousity. No one is trying to change anyone else.
i certainly have an opinion on this but am not ready to answer sincerely since i am in a sort of flip mood. this is one subject that i am sort of serious about. i'll think on this answer
Whatever happened to poor Willy? Last I heard, he was beached and bloated. Poor washed-up has-been whale. He had so much potential.
Freedom, after all, is just another word for nothing left to lose.
In my opinion, no Gods of any kinds ever existed outside of the human imagination...People can be religious if they like, as long as they don't bother other people with it (religious wars, Jehova's Witness people ringing my doorbell early in the morning etc), or try to force other people to take on/act according to their views.
But, I guess the concept of Hell served very well to moderate human behavior in the dark ages.
I DO think we need moral guidelines, because life is just nicer if we act respectfully and with kindness towards eachother. But I don't think fear of punishment is the best tool.
Dutch wrote: "I refrain. She's called me fat before, but I still don't get involved."You can put salt in her coffee?
I don't have any strong feelings one way or another. If it makes you feel better to believe than believe. As long as your not hurting yourself or anyone eles I see no harm in it.
I did read a sign outside of a church that I loved."Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.
Pretty soon we are all walking around blind and toothless."
We use to get alot of door to door word spreaders. My dad would speak spanish to them (they were usually white). When I asked him why he said that he just wanted to make them work for it.
Of course they do, I have a time share there, a nice little cottage overlooking the lake of fire. Gail lives in the circle below me and shares her fancy pool with me. Phil lives in the circle above me and won't invite me to his barbeques because I tripped him once.
Barb wrote: "He chooses to believe free will doesn't exist."Hey, I've crossed threads and everybody seems to have turned into an intellectual over here.
Some are virtually unrecognisable.
Everytime I read this topic header, I think, "Yeah, goats do!"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzKUzR...
BunWat wrote: "This is intellectual?::Goggles intellectually::"
BunWat wrote: "I left my intellectual goggles at the pool of wisdom."Mine always fall off when I dive in.
It is nice to listen to some Cake though.
Unwise to leave them on the side of the pool. That's where the feet germs live.
Kaput wrote: "Hell is other people.Copyright - some french guy."
I like the Bettie Serveert version better.
Reality is more digestible when a woman tells you.
Heaven has internet access, Hell doesn't.
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Lobstergirl wrote: "Hell is wherever people are popping gum."Hell is continually finding chewed blue gum in my yard.
I think the crows do it.
They used to snort coke, but one of them cut his beak on the ring pull and fell out of the tree.
BunWat wrote: "Ian wrote: "Reality is more digestible when a woman tells you."Strangely, I do not find this to be so. ;)"
I can only urge you to listen to Carol van Dijk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBesDG...
make sure you skip the ad.
Alecia wrote: "Of course they do, I have a time share there, a nice little cottage overlooking the lake of fire. Gail lives in the circle below me and shares her fancy pool with me. Phil lives in the circle above..."
I am very happy I live within your circle of hell Alecia. :)
I am very happy I live within your circle of hell Alecia. :)
Hmm interesting article as Rob Bell's Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived has stirred up a lot of talk among christian circles. I used to be a huge fan of his thought-provoking talks but what's being said about his new book makes me skeptical. I won't comment unless I read the book, though I do have a definite opinion about heaven and hell. Will come back to it later...
Gail «Cyborg» wrote: "I am very happy I live within your circle of hell Alecia. :) "What fresh hell is this?
Alecia wrote: "Fresh hell, Ian? Huh?"If you like Dorothy Parker, paste "What fresh hell is this?" into GR or Google and see what comes up.
Oh, I see now. Have I mentioned that I'm a culturally challenged?::wanders off to add Dorothy Parker's biography and a few of her books to TBR list::
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Bell argues that hell has assumed an outsize importance in Christian teaching, considering the word itself only appears in the New Testament about 12 times, by his count."For a 1st-century Jewish rabbi, where you go when you die wasn't the most pressing question," Bell told The Associated Press. "The question was how can you enter into the shalom and peace of God right now, this day."
I like this.
Alecia wrote: "Oh, I see now. Have I mentioned that I'm a culturally challenged?::wanders off to add Dorothy Parker's biography and a few of her books to TBR list::"
Good choice, Alecia!
Meagan wrote: "I do believe there is a hell. I even believe that one can be in hell without actually dying. And yes, I can agree that hell is other people."Welcome to
Kaput wrote: "I feel that our sub concious has already decided on our concious thoughts and choices split seconds before we are even aware of them."Better to be determined by our own sub-conscious than someone else's.
hell is a frozen, dark, lonely place. no light, no laughter, no hope, no hugs, no words of caring. I've been there. I have also had a near death experience: the light at the end of the tunnel, hovering over my body, strong pull towards the light, figures waiting near the light...but I wasn't ready to go. I held onto the edges of that tunnel entrance screaming that since my husband had just buried his dad 6 weeks before, losing me might just kill him or cause him to kill himself. And then I was back in my body. alive.
Ian wrote: "Better to be determined by our own sub-conscious than someone else's. "Oops, I mean "my own" rather than "our collective" sub-conscious.
BunWat wrote: "I think I see what you are saying Kaput. We don't so much make choices as justify our own actions to ourselves after the fact. We make up stories about why we did things when in fact we are just responding deterministically to impulses and impetuses that we don't comprehend or, often, even notice. ""You" didn't get it, Bunwat, "you" just responded deterministically to Kaput.
Kaput wrote: "Damn right."I'll be damned if I'm right.
What do you think? If God is merciful, why would God send people to eternal damnation? I'm not saying this in a silly way; I'm asking seriously and trying to understand, not devaluing Christianity in any way, shape, or form. Also, I used to be a Unitarian Universalist, so the "universalism" concept is not foreign to me. What do you think?