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Stephanie Meyer's "vampires" discussion
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i find the whole series disturbing...
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Indeed. Trashy chick lit tends to be disturbing?
To stay in topic and not get into an argument with Twilight lovers or haters. I do believe Stephanie Meyer is butchering the vampire image. This book is clearly for a specific audience, teenagers. For being a fictional book, it still is bad. She also completely botched werewolves. I am an Anne Rice fan. And even though 99% of the vampires in the Chronicles are homosexual, they still do not have sex because like Gemma points out, THEY ARE DEAD!!!! Let's just leave this horrible "fiction" to gullible teenagers who will most likely turn to anti-depressants and razors. Thank you and good night.
(Being my Grammar Nazi self, I'll just mention it's "hear hear!" :) )Xinxia, I myself am an Anne Rice fan. And it is such an insult that there are people our there who actually consider Meyer better than Rice. Most fans are even taking out their anger at Stephen King for bluntly pointing the truth out.
People can be so stupid sometimes. Praising some talentless literary sell-out over genuinely talented writers.
@Kit:I know how you feel! Some Twitards even have the nerve to compare SM to J.K. Rowling! It's absurd!!
You're right. SM writes like the insecure teenager she is on the inside. I've read better FANFICTION than the Twilight "saga".
Stephen was like temporarily my number one idol when i heard he said Smeyer can't write worth a darn!! It was so Kick-Ass-Awesome!
@Ain020596: Agreed. It was about time another writer spoke up and said the truth about her works. TBH, I was waiting for Anne Rice or J.K. Rowling to say that, but Stephen King beat them to it :D
-A. CHILL. We're sane Twilight haters here. Calm down. Just rationally explain why Meyer (This is how it's spelled) is a pathetic writer. Not a bitch. Please, let's criticize her writing, not her. Secondly, point out what constitutes her books as a "pice of shit" (or is it "piece"?)
Because frankly, you don't sound like a sane hater, but like an extremist anti-Twilight who is just as stupid as any Twihard. People like you being major reasons why our mods have been leaving.
Rose wrote: "It's basically someone with no imperfections who's good at everything and everyone (in their reality) loves them i.e. Bella, though in reality, most sane people would want to punch them in the face..."basically, the complete opposite of me... *twitches* hehe O.o
♪♫ Rosie Red ♫♪ wrote: "Oh yeah!! *dances* We should hang Edward up by his toes, turn out the lights, and we can all pa-arty!!!"Someone who has common sense! Let's ignite him too! :)
Jamain wrote: "If you hate twilight so much why not just burn the book or dont read the other saga at all. You guys are the ones who is wasting your time what is the point of reading the book you don't like. Also..."Wow, I'm touched. Why can't we Twihaters do whatever we want? You can too, but aren't you a hater of something too? Exactly, so leave us ALONE! And who cares if we're wasting "precious time." I have my own life to take care of. And you've just wasted time too. You we're like "Stop hating Twilight and stop posting on this forum," but guess what? I'm still hating Twilight and posting on this forum(or whatever it's called)! :) Have a great day.
If they sparkle, then they're not a vampire (or a man, for that matter). I don't care what the hell you say, THEY'RE. NOT. VAMPIRES. Or men.
I hate the way Meyer distorted the traditional vampire.Of course the coffin thing and burning-in-the-sun thing is a myth. Because VAMPIRES are myths to begin with. As in fake. God forbid sparkling in the sun is a myth, too. *twitch* O_o
Okay I can appreciate an author taking certain "liberties" or using "creative license" and slightly altering conventions - sure It's been done with Vamps..esspecially recently - take True Blood, Vampire Diaries, Blade. The conventions are constantly changing - but to call Twilight Saga "Vampire Fiction" is just wrong!You cannot, I repeat CANNOT change the conventions which make Vampires Vampires!!!
Calling these glitter-dusted creatures Vampires is a sin against all that is sane!
Also - I can't understand why someone would give up their entire existence, their soul, their LIFE for a man? Or partner in general. Bella is giving up her father, Jacob, her "soul" for Edward. She will have to deal with the world changing, her father dying while she stays the same age, even Jacob dying at some stage (right? - coz they dont live forever - unless they decide to change Jacob too so he can join their little clan of happy little vampires). And teenage girls are being taught this message and they aspire to be Bella?? Sometimes I think I could write a story like this - take an unambitious, loner girl and pair her with a "Greek God" who magically falls in love with her and BAM I'll make millions - But I can't even bring myself to send this message to teenager girls everywhere - don't worry about your future, don't have ambition, just wait for your prince charming - i mean Edward to come along and you'll be set. Then he can love you and protect you, patronise you by making fun of your inability to not hurt yourself when he's out of town because you're soooooooo clumsy which is just soooooooo endearing!!
Plus - Bella is "special right," she's "different" to her school peers, she resists the powers of the Vulturi, Edward can't read her mind, and she feels no bloodlust. But SM never acctually lets us in on the secret to why she is so special - shouldnt there be a reason??
lol *End rant* (Sorry for the super long post)
You're in the right place to rant hon, so don't feel bad. You're also exactly right.There's only so much BS you can pull before someone recognises the smell...
Amen, Demi. Indeed, her vampires (or glitter-dusted creatures, as I like how you described them) can be considered a sin against all that is sane. Along with the message portrayed in her story.I understand authors have a right to creativity and conventions do tend to change, but come on. Really, Meyer? Really?
Mutt: hahah I try not to get so worked up over stupidity but sometimes as hard as I try I can't get over it lol!!Anna: hahah exactly. Comeone Meyer, what were you thinking!!
I wonder what the Twilight lover:Twilight hater ratio is? Surely there are more of us haters who can recognise a pile of crap from real literature worth loving? Right? Or is my faith in humanity optimistic?
And then there's the people like me. I'm a member of both the Lovers and Haters group. LOL :DI'm closer to the Haters group, though, in my opinions. I mean, I don't HATE Twilight, but I don't like it. It's... okayish. Though I love to make fun of it. Because really, who DOESN'T make fun of sparkling "vampires"? (Twi-hards don't, but that's a different situation.)
Demon wrote: "Perhaps Stephanie Meyer was attracted to sparkly gay guys...that's why she create sparkly gay vampires...(I bet she told her husband to dump glitter on himself so that she feels like she married Ed..."hey i resent that! there is nothing wrong with being gay and it means you are attracted to the same sex which edward is obviously not, due to his creepy obsession with bella.
Anyway, relating to the main topic, I hate SM for turning something cool (vampires) to lame, sparkling creatures. At least other authors give them a different name if they're going to change the idea of vampire so much. And I agree with Stephen King, SM can't write to save her life. I fell asleep reading Twilight.
SInce SM disgraced vampires, I committed my highschool life to turning the extreme Twilight fans to Twilight haters. I love seeing the way they react when I actually tell them a few things about Twilight that makes them think twice.
I would be eviscerated before I could even say "Twilight is actually kind of stupid...". Although, on the bright side, I did see someone reading an Anne Rice book the other day. :) But they were only about 5 pages in. :(
Steph wrote: "I don't think she's making them. If the fan-girls are willing to listen, than it's not forcing, right? You don't force 'em Opal, RIGHT?"
Yeah, I don't force them. They'd kill me before I had the chance.
I just kind of make them think about why they love the books so much. When people find out that the reasons for lovingthe books is because they think they are in love with fictional non-vampires, they stop liking the book so much of get enough reasoning to not go crazy about Twilight.
Steph wrote: "I love you, Opal. In a non-freaky sort-of way."Thanks. I love that a lot of people agree with me. Too bad we can't all unite and show people the horrors of twilight. I mean, who says "The sun was in the wrong place in the sky"? What the freak does that mean?
Opal wrote: "I just kind of make them think about why they love the books so much. When people find out that the reasons for lovingthe books is because they think they are in love with fictional non-vampires, t..."LOL
helloo Haters and Lovers alike, what's up? Still hate Twilight, I hope? ((or love for our peacable friends))
Yep! Sure do! And the loathing grows stronger each day... LOL jk ;)
haha yup. :D That's good! We must not let them take over what is sacred! ((wow, that sounded awesome!))
LOVE THIS GROUP! My friends are all going up to random people and asking, "Edward or Jacob? Edward or Jacob?" And I'm like, "Um, can I be somewhere in the middle?" And they go, "NOOO! YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE!," like it's going to kill them if you don't choose...oh and I agree with Seze Tsawke and Nightshade.
yes, someone agrees with me! *happy dance*
YAY! Someone agrees with me, too! ;DAnd Steph- what series?
Ah, vampires. Where shall I start?They're born from sin. Suicide is the best known way to become a vampire. People who in their lifetime was a ruthless killer, cannibal, etc. will rise from their grave when they die as a vampire. Since they're dead, they don't have the strength to bash a coffin and claw through about six feet of dirt, so they eat their own flesh until they gain enough power. They may have a very pale or ruddy complexion, their skin may be stretched tightly across their bodies. The creature itself reeks of death and grave dirt. Their eyes are crimson red and their ears are grotesquely stretched and pointed. Vampires truly "born of sin" can pass his or her vampirism on to victims; innocents cannot. A vampire mainly lives on human blood, but will drink animal blood as a LAST RESORT. (Stupid "vegetarin vampires"!) They possess supernatural strength, speed, agility, reflexes and endurance. In addition to its five senses, which are of supernatural keeness, vampires have a sixth sense. They can tell if a person is good or evil. They can also dominate the mind and will of a human by merely making eye contact through hynosis. To feed, they usually bite the neck, wrist or breast. Their few weaknesses are silver, running water, lack of a reflection, sunlight, holy icons (especially crucifixes), and obsessive-compulsive disorder. Most of them are highly intelligent and cunning. They can trick just about anyone and make the perfect serial killers. The people they kill usually show no sign of decompisition: they may have a ruddy complextion and have had a growth of hair or fingernails. In some cases sunlight may burn or kill vampires, or they may be comatose during the day. They can be destroyed by staking, decapitation, execution by burning, repeating the funeral service, holy water on the grave or exorcisim. They are cool to the touch from the perspective of humans.
Now, there is much more to tell about vampires, but I think you see the big picture here. This leads me to the question that has been burning in my mind for ages: would you want to date a creature like this?!
No. Way. In. Hell.And where'd you get all that info? Creepy...
It just reminds me of David Wellington...
Your Friendly Neighborhood Grammar Nazi wrote: "No. Way. In. Hell.And where'd you get all that info? Creepy..."
I've liked vampires ever since I saw a TV show about them on the Discovery Kids channel when I was five... xD Plus, I'm writing a vampire novel myself. I'm hoping to break out of the romance trend and return the beloved creatures of Hell where they truly belong: the horror genre. This stuff comes straight from folklore.
Yeah, shove them damned creatures back to the hellhole from whence they came.I laugh at my own punny jokes. >_<
Jamain wrote: "If you hate twilight so much why not just burn the book or dont read the other saga at all. You guys are the ones who is wasting your time what is the point of reading the book you don't like. Also..."I too like twilight but maybe we should stay out of their group. We don't like it when haters come into our groups so maybe we should stop bothering them. They can say how bad twilight is all day long and we don't have to even see it if it's not in twilight fan groups. If you want to find a place to talk about how much you dislike twilight haters here are some great groups: Twilight Lovers, TWILIGHTSAGAFREAKS, and my own group Twilight Addicts<3 But please stay out of what they have to say its no worth the trouble.
By the way if you guys want to make a twihard hate twilight don't be mean about them liking it! If you are polite and you listen to what they have to say they will do the same for you.
Bella wrote: "By the way if you guys want to make a twihard hate twilight don't be mean about them liking it! If you are polite and you listen to what they have to say they will do the same for you."<Not all of them will... here were my exact words: "I just don't like Twilight very much." This was said by a group of obsessed Twitard fan-girls. They jumped me.
This fact is why I don't tell anyone that I have a red belt in Tae Kwon Do. :D
Your Friendly Neighborhood Grammar Nazi wrote: "Yeah, shove them damned creatures back to the hellhole from whence they came.I laugh at my own punny jokes. >_<"
You should, that was rather hilarious. xD
Thanks you? I think I finally beat you at your own game. xD...or is that even a grammar error? I don't even know. D:
No, I say that all the time. It wasn't a typo.
Your Friendly Neighborhood Grammar Nazi wrote: "No, I say that all the time. It wasn't a typo."Gaahhh! I didn't think so. *sigh* You are still the best grammar Nazi in the neighborhood...
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