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Could there be more or specially deeper love scene in the books
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It's a teen book,; they generally just have kissing. But Cassie has the deleted version on their kiss scene in Idris,when they get fairly hot and heavy, and apparently the editors made her take out the bit where Jace's hand skims under her bra, because it was too saucy.
However, personally, I think S/I have better chemistry and A/M is much sweeter. But I still like them both.
So, to get back to the point, there won't be any graphic sex scenes, but the teasers from COFA show there will be some pretty hot scenes....with tight ripping to boot.
ok, then theres somehting to look forward to - do you know when the fourth book is coming out?
does anyone of you know a books series similar to twilight or MI, but which are for adults and not teen books??
Martina wrote: "does anyone of you know a books series similar to twilight or MI, but which are for adults and not teen books??"Fever and Night Huntress are both Paranormal.
Adult PNR and YA PNR are really different so..
thanks for the recommendents.but what do you mean with PNR and YA PNR?
sorry, but I'm not native english, so I don't get those cutbacks.
Martina wrote: "thanks for the recommendents.but what do you mean with PNR and YA PNR?
sorry, but I'm not native english, so I don't get those cutbacks."
PNR = Paranoramal YA = Young Adult.
thanks for the advice for the books and for the explanation. do you also know some different books, where not everything is about killing and vampires and all this stuff, but where's also a love story behind and where the characters have to fight and earn their happines in some way?? (and they should be for adults - if you know what i mean ;) ?)
These are teen books so they shouldn't be too racy, but I understand what you mean.
Because they kiss only a handful of times in all three books, to me it makes it that much sweeter. There is no denying their love for eachother. Its expressed in words... for example "There is no pretending. I love you, and I will love you until I die, and if there's a life after that, I'll love you then." and, "Since the first time I saw you, I have belonged to you completely. I still do. If you want me."
Not to mention all the other scenes between the two of them.
I mean come on, wouldn't you fall head over heels if someone talked to you like that.
Also expressed in the actions that Jace does which is so little but I can't help but feel giddy. In COB, when they are getting ready to go to Magnus' house and Clary has her hair up, then Jace takes out the clip and says "Much better", he likes the real Clary, messed up hair and all. He remembered her birthday (which I think he did, not because Hodge reminded him) and sets up that little picnic. How cute.
And the fact that he wanted to LIVE, if only to see her face one more time;-)
I don't need racy sex scenes to get excited about love, when Jace says and does all of that for Clary.
Because they kiss only a handful of times in all three books, to me it makes it that much sweeter. There is no denying their love for eachother. Its expressed in words... for example "There is no pretending. I love you, and I will love you until I die, and if there's a life after that, I'll love you then." and, "Since the first time I saw you, I have belonged to you completely. I still do. If you want me."
Not to mention all the other scenes between the two of them.
I mean come on, wouldn't you fall head over heels if someone talked to you like that.
Also expressed in the actions that Jace does which is so little but I can't help but feel giddy. In COB, when they are getting ready to go to Magnus' house and Clary has her hair up, then Jace takes out the clip and says "Much better", he likes the real Clary, messed up hair and all. He remembered her birthday (which I think he did, not because Hodge reminded him) and sets up that little picnic. How cute.
And the fact that he wanted to LIVE, if only to see her face one more time;-)
I don't need racy sex scenes to get excited about love, when Jace says and does all of that for Clary.
ok ok, when you say it like that - it's quiet sure and I really also loved that scene and got butterflies in my stomach... but a little bit more, couldn't have been so bad ;)for example the last scene where the two were alone at the big celebration, when she met him upstairs in here cute silver dress - and then Cassandra just broke of in between before the kissed... and afterwards she wrote only that the two came down from the stairs and joined they others. BUT she could have wrote what was in-between... Or not??
but I guess we have to wait for more action in the next book, of which I really look forward to :)
and theres another thing, in these fantasy books, there's always (like Twilight or MI) so much blood and pain and death and fights, where the author write how it sound when somebody got killed and so on.... BUT love scenes got deleted or censored... so thats it what I don't exactly get. Do you know what I mean?
to your first comment maybe its a bit more fun to leave it to your own imagination. that part always leaves me with a smile on my face with different scenarios every time.
about the war scenes and sounds of death i get what you mean how those can be too graphic, maybe its more acceptable to "hear" death than to "hear" moments of pleasure... I don't know;-)
about the war scenes and sounds of death i get what you mean how those can be too graphic, maybe its more acceptable to "hear" death than to "hear" moments of pleasure... I don't know;-)
I find it interesting that the publishers didn't want the under the bra skimming scene, since I can think of a YA few series that have some racier scenes in them. Remember Zoey and Loren in HoN? It described them being naked, drinking blood from one another, and then completing the sex act.Vampire Academy has a couple of fairly descriptive scenes as well between Rose and Dimitri. Although there were no mentions of intimate body parts touching, you were being told what was happening between them and how she was feeling as it was happening.
Of the two series, I'd say VA is the far superior one though if you were looking for one to read.
Britnee - *The Mistress of all evil!* wrote: "Martina wrote: "does anyone of you know a books series similar to twilight or MI, but which are for adults and not teen books??"Fever and Night Huntress are both Paranormal.
Adult PNR and YA PNR..."
Fever and Night Huntress are two of the best in adult. Night Huntress gets racy in book 1, Fever doesn't get there until book 3, but once it does, it's HOT. Both are excellent series overall.
Stacia ~ the plucky heroine wrote: "I find it interesting that the publishers didn't want the under the bra skimming scene, since I can think of a YA few series that have some racier scenes in them. Remember Zoey and Loren in HoN? ..."I think it was mainly because of the fact that Clary and Jace thought they were related and publishers thought that might be pushing it a bit far...but seriously, some YA books are practically pornography now.
I like my scenes in books, but I prefer to read them in adult fiction tbh. YA either makes me feel squeamish, like the author doesn't know how to write a realistic scene (sorry, it's not magical like that for most people the first time...at least mention some discomfort before the good feelings start to come), or it leaves you feeling like you want more and are unsatisfied. Then, when you do have an author willing to "go there" a little bit more descriptively, you feel like the poor 10 year olds that are reading the book should have it taken away from them, haha.At least in adult fiction, when I get a "scene" I get a payout. Not some crap like, "we discovered each other in a way we never had before, and I fell asleep happy and satisfied in a way that I had never imagined possible." What...the...heck? Did you wake up the next morning and kiss him passionately with no morning breath, then walk to the window and sing a song of rainbows, while the birds gathered around to listen?
That's why fiction is not reality. Women's chick lit general synopsis:
30 something female is decidedly unhappy in life and is experiencing bad sex. Decides to find meaning in life and does by finding new man to have sex with. Becomes self-actualised.
Also has screaming orgasms every time she has sex.
I hope people realise that's not realistic.
I hate the multiple O crap, especially when it's back to back without any effort.And that is so not where I was trying to go in a topic about YA books, haha but since you mention it, that's a huge pet peeve of mine.
I just wish that if YA authors were going to "go there" with those scenes, that there would be some realism. A lot of the time, the girl is scared, maybe even shaking a little. Sometimes she's drunk, heh. Sometimes it's with someone they don't love. Sometimes it's with someone they love, but they were disappointed by the experience, having built it up to be something that they realize they knew nothing about. Sometimes it's beautiful and perfect, but even with that, it took some communication and effort to make that part happen.
That's a good point. Sometimes I want one of those scenes in YA books, even if they work better in adult, just because I sometimes get sick of one kiss in 600 pages. :P
Heck, if someone would write a scene where the girl is shaking and crying (not sobbing, just tearing up) on the bed and the guy has to "talk her into" it, I'd be laughing and cheering at the same time because 90% of the time, that's how most girls lose their virginity, even if they're completely head over heels for the guy.It's not like we can't have a second scene the next night where they're in sync and into each other after getting past the first awkward time.
Because really, why is it that in books, if they do end up doing something, then they don't anything again for another book or two? Again, that makes no sense. "YAY, I just had the BEST night of my life, and I'm good now for at least a month! Now I'm off to go kill that vampire. See you for movie night this weekend!"
ha ha, I'm soo glad that you've answerded this topic - I just say, that I totally agree with your statements about the first time and how authors describe it in their book, specially in YA books, like Twilight. Thats redicoulus and its not happening like this - especially the first time, cause also when you love the other guy, you are scared ot it, of the guy and of the thing thats changing... and to be true, the first times weren't quite satisfating like the ones after a while... its like training... you have to practise to get better at something! :)But in those books everything is so good and every feeling delirious and I think when a girl is reading it and is a virgin, than she sees her first time in high pressure and won't be happy, it will more than unsatisfying, cause of the books - don't you think?
and it is also don't realistic that the other boy is always this good looking and even always good smelling - do any of you know one guy who doesn't sometimes smell so good?? like in the morning with bad breaht or when he had eaten something bad and has stomachache and you know what I mean ;) .... you know, thats only humand... we aren't always adorable! :)
exactly your first time your not crying because it was the best night of your life, your crying out in pain...
Carolyn wrote: "exactly your first time your not crying because it was the best night of your life, your crying out in pain..."omg does it really hurt THAT badly??
not so bad like she wrote it, but the first times are not like some times after. It hurts just a little bit, dont be scared.. you just have to be a little more careful in the beginning
If the guy is understanding he'll be a little bit more gentle the first time. It's nothing to be terrified over at all, we were just more making the point that it isn't always this magical thing that books make it out to be the first time.
Didn't mean to scare you... but it does hurt a little. More pleasurable on his side than yours but if he's understanding like Stacia said he'll make it easier for you.
don't get me wrong here (or don't understand me false, 'cause I'm not native english) but did nobody from you had the feeling that the kissing scene from clary and jace were a little lame??
First I have to say I really like the books and I wanted so bad that they two can be together and I couldn't stop to read, 'cause of their love for eachother and I really got into it and felt like I was part of it - i was sorry, mad and happy when they made it up together...
but there was nothing more then a few kissing - in whole 3 books - I guess they have kissed eachother only for about 6 times and that was it and when they did... the scene lasted only for one page, short and not very deep...
what do you think about - did you liked that or not?
and do you think this books were meant for younger girls (like 14-15 years) - so Cassandra couldn't write more explicit? (There I have to say I'm 25, so maybe I'm already to old for such book in this subject)