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Twilight v. Harry Potter?
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Jan 21, 2009 11:29PM
I plan on reading every one of the Twilight series just so I have a logical basis for loathing the heck out of them.
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for me the best is the twilight...because it's more interesting than harry potter because all the scene in the twilight...of course we can relate on it...
twilight is the best it beats the crap of harry potter I mean the twilight saga is the best damn thing than harry potter forever twilight saga I'm berly reading the two first books from the saga i'm ready to get the last two books of the saga
I love Harry Potter to!!! I just think that Twilight has a better story line! But it's all a matter of opinion! and if you ask me, Twilight does have some bad things but it is a LOT better than what is on the television!!!
Harry Potter is a masterpiece, and serves to teach people about many things such hypocrisy, bigotry, faith, love, friendship, power, etc. It is extremely deep in that sense. J.K. Rowling's writing style is just simply that of a professional. She has set a standard and Twilight doesn't even get close to it. Her plot is intricately woven with many surprises along the way, and adds wonderful details that are vital to the story. Her characters are well developed; they aren't shallow and ridiculous, rather they are very realistic (personality wise). This is a really pointless topic, because we all know Harry Potter is undeniably better :) And I am pretty sure Marlette, Khadija, Faith, and Annalisa will back me up on this one.
Marlette wrote: "Harry Potter is a work of genius! It is lessons in life presented with lovable, sometimes scary, characters, fabulous circumstances, settings you can envision in your mind. Twilight is a mind-num..."LOL, two ends of spectrum. Yes, indeed! :)
Annalisa wrote: "This is by the far the thing that aggravates me the most. JK Rowling is untouchable genius. From the first chapter she had the whole story laid out and even knows the background stories for minor..."
I agree with you 100%. These two books cannot even be compared. I am not saying that Twilight is bad story, it's just on a different level in comparison to Harry Potter. Harry Potter is going to be a classic one day, because J.K. Rowling's writing is unlike any other author's; she is excellent!
Harry Potter, though some may think is a over a bit, and only fanatics are still obsessed with it, has everyone enjoying every book in the series and wanting more. Twilight is aimed mostly at teenage girls and a few others. It's writing ins't great and is very repetitive.
That is true Lavanya but Twilight also teaches those things and more. It teaches how to I like Harry Potter but I personally think that Twilight is way better! It is always full of surprises unlike Harry Potter which is pretty much always the same thing over and over! but I do think that Harry Potter teaches some good things!
Helkat14 wrote: "The media is having a field day comparing this series to Harry Potter. What do others think of this comparison?"Harry Potter shows excellent character development,a brilliant storyline (with a trip to some of these characters' psyche),and a colorful setting! Why are we even thinking of comparing Twilight to the Harry Potter series? I admit that I am entertained by Twilight but I feel that it was a simple book that was simply written. Twilight stayed true to the audience that it was trying to reach. Harry Potter is on a different level.
Ivy wrote: "This is what gets me: the people who don't tell why they like either one.I'm very curious to know why people think that Twilight is better than Harry Potter. There were some really good themes in..."
I agree with you on this one, Ivy. The Twilight Saga (Breaking Dawn especially) did contain some material that was not exactly what I expected younger kids to be reading. I wouldn't go as far to say that it was "bad," but I am curious and would like to know how the younger kids interpret Bella's obesession with Edward.
Kamberli wrote: "That is true Lavanya but Twilight also teaches those things and more. It teaches how to I like Harry Potter but I personally think that Twilight is way better! It is always full of surprises unlike..."Point taken, Kamberli. Don't get me wrong, I am a HUGE Twilight fan, and always will be. The whole saga is captivating, and Edward Cullen is undescribable. :)However, these two books were written for two different audiences, and have to two completely different purposes. Twilight entertains. It is written about love, and the things a "person" -a loose interpretation of the word, I'll admit it - is willing to do for that love. Harry Potter was written for a different purpose, as I mentioned in my comment before; although, the previous statement does apply to this book as well.
I just don't think it makes sense to compare the two books though, because they are on two different levels. Harry Potter has some very deep meanings, and contains a variety of themes, whereas Twilight does not.
Nellie wrote: "twilight is the best it beats the crap of harry potter I mean the twilight saga is the best damn thing than harry potter forever twilight saga I'm berly reading the two first books from the saga i'..."I understand your opinion but why do you feel that Twilight is better than Harry Potter?
I completely agree with Lacanay, I think that in Harry Potter you get to know the characters really well, and the only way that happens in Twilight is when Edward is asking Bella questions.
Alisa wrote: "I completely agree with Lacanay, I think that in Harry Potter you get to know the characters really well, and the only way that happens in Twilight is when Edward is asking Bella questions. "mhmm...definitely agree with you on that one...unless you were agreeing with me...who's Lacanay?
Lamanya, you said you wanted to know why people liked them, so I will explain why I like Twilight so much better.first off I like the story line A LOT better than Harry Potters second I liked her twist on the vampires and how she tried to make them good and moral. Not that I don't like Harry Potter I think it's a great book. I just love how well you get to know the characters in Twilight and even those that you don't really like you have a spot in your heart for them!
Ivy; you said that you didn't like that Edward said tha Bella could sleep with Jacob if it made her Happy but that wasn't the only reason, he said he wanted her to so that she could live it was also to make her happy with the child that she wanted!!! not for her pleasure!
for me comparison is impossible between these two, Harry Potter is way better.J.K is a genius writer with a great imagination, she spent more than 15 years on her plot, unlike Stephanie who just dreamed about Twilight and then started writing without a good plan to the plot for the hole series ,and I think Twilight would be a lot better than now if she spent more time on it before she published
I know Kamberli points out how she feels about this statement. I understand why Edward does this, which she explains. But all the same, it sounds morally wrong (for me). We all have different moral standards. I am not sure if the intention always justifies the action, no matter how wrong the action is. Sleeping with another man, after one is married is just not right for most people...no matter the circumstances. So, I think it's pretty depressing Edward even suggests the idea, I mean "duh" she is going to say no. So it seems rather stupid on his part, but whatever, at least Bella says no.
I totally see Lavanyas points it definatly is morally wrong for him to offer that, but also to me it shows the love and respect a man should have for his wife. But that is just my opinion maybe it just doesn't seem as bad to me because I read the Blue blood series recently and that book was just horrible for people with standards like mine! but who knows!
Kamberli wrote: "I totally see Lavanyas points it definatly is morally wrong for him to offer that, but also to me it shows the love and respect a man should have for his wife. But that is just my opinion maybe it ..."Kamberli, I can't believe you said that! I can't believe anyone would say that. And yet girls argue all the time what a perfect example of love Edward and Bella are. The scene where Edward asks Jacob to have sex with his wife does not show that Edward loves and respects his wife. It shows how deeply flawed their relationship is. Their "love" teeters between Edward controlling Bella and Edward being a doormat to Bella.
When you get married, your relationship takes on an entity of its own and you work together to protect that relationship. You don't cater to the selfish desires of one person that would destroy that entity. Everything you do works to build that entity to its strongest potential. Take for ex the scene where Bella is fighting the poison and protects Edward by not telling him about it. It's completely wrong. When you love someone that much, they are the person to turn to when you are your weakest. That trust you put in your spouse and consequently his respect of your vulnerability is what builds a marriage. There is nothing in Edward's and Bella's relationship that shows this growth together, that truly shows love on a deep level. Edward's request of Jacob (as well as Bella's refusal to even discuss the pregnancy with Edward) shows just how much they are living as separate entities and not together toward the common goal of a bonded marriage. If a guy said that to me, I would understand how truly little he loved me, not how much.
Sorry for the rant, but it seriously irks me when girls say guys should emulate Edward as the perfect companion. Edward's and Bella's relationship is the perfect example of what not to do to someone you love.
Lavanya wrote: "Harry Potter is a masterpiece, and serves to teach people about many things such hypocrisy, bigotry, faith, love, friendship, power, etc. It is extremely deep in that sense. J.K. Rowling's writing ..."Lavanya, I will totally back you up! Someone asked me the other day why I love HP so much, and I went on about the social commentary that in all my ramblings about HP I've never mentioned before, not even here (which is a Twilight/HP debate). Book 5 is a replica of the Nazi structure and teaches about the pitfalls of discrimination. Hermione's SPEW project is great social satire about what lobbyists do to society. We can talk about what revenge does to one with Snape on a level as deep as the Count of Monte Cristo. The religious symbolism is deep; the ultimate epic battle of good vs evil, one to battle Narnia and LOTR. And like you mentioned the overall theme of love. Twilight doesn't teach love; it teaches lust. Harry Potter is about such a deeper love, and every kind of love: romantic, familial, friendship. I've heard girls say that Twilight is more realistic (ha!), more like everyday life. But really HP explores social structures and friendship on such an intrinsic level, the commentary about life is easy to read and is only vaguely masked in an entertaining story. Plus the writing style is not childish, but actually shows proper grammar and may actually teach its readers a word or two. Twilight is great sensational escapism, but it's the crack of literature. There is no substance, nor does it encourage people to read and think, only get caught up in its world and fantasize on an unhealthy level. Harry Potter is deep on a level that guarantees it will be a classic.
ah...I am so glad that you understand the deeper meaning behind Harry Potter. Finally, someone else apart from FyreFlyte who understands this. I wrote all about the deeper love in Harry Potter here: http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/8... (in case you were interested). Also, I have to say you explained the best of Harry Potter on the link you posted. So eloquent! :)
Excuse me? Okay, so there is some thought of lust in Twilight, but that is not the main attraction there. And Harry and Ginny? Is that really a convincing match? Do you sense any attraction between the characters? This is a Harry Potter fan speaking, and I have to admit that I was rather disappointed in that genre of the book. Bella and Edward love each other for their personalities above all. (That's why Edward refuses to have sex before marriage and finds the willpower not to drink her blood. That's why Bella is willing to commit herself to eternity with him.
But Harry Potter is essentially deeper, I think.
But Harry Potter is essentially deeper, I think.
When I mentioned the deeper love, I wasn't referring to the love between couples, rather the love between friends, family, classmates, etc. Harry is willing to completely sacrifice himself for all these people, because he loves them (though it is not at all expressed the way Edward and Bella express it). Twilight wins if we are debating paranormal romance, and romance in general...but love on a deeper sense would go to Harry Potter.
Annalisa,you said that Bella should tell Edward how much pain she was in because that is what you do in a relationship , well no it isn't! When you are in a relationship you do your best to keep your spouse from being in pain unless it is something that would betray him/her. But Bella is just trying to cause Edward as little pain as possible because she LOVES him it is not lust it is love!!! and believe me I know the difference between lust and love. I believe we all have our own opinions about what Bella and Edwards relationship is based on,and I believe that it is love! the way that they would never betray each other or do anything to hurt one another!
Clara wrote: "Excuse me? Okay, so there is some thought of lust in Twilight, but that is not the main attraction there. And Harry and Ginny? Is that really a convincing match? Do you sense any attraction between..." Clara I totally agree with you! I think that Edward and Bella do love each other the way they are and that is what a relationship is based on! I know that a lot of people think that it is lust because he is gorgeous but it isn't it even says that Bella loves Edward because he is such a kind and sincere gentleman!
Kamberli wrote: "Lamanya, you said you wanted to know why people liked them ..."I, myself, like the Twilight Saga, I just wanted to why other people liked the books. So, thanks for stating why you liked the books. And for future reference, my name is "Lavanya."
Kamberli wrote: "Annalisa,you said that Bella should tell Edward how much pain she was in because that is what you do in a relationship , well no it isn't! When you are in a relationship you do your best to keep yo..."I have to agree with you on this one. I believe Edward and Bella's relationship is based on love. Regardless, I still feel that it was stupid for Edward to suggest that Jacob could sleep with Bella, so that Bella would be happy. He should know better than to suggest something like that. I understand it points out how desperate Edward is, but c'mon, is Bella really going to accept that offer? I loved everything about Edward, except for that. To me, it was just a sickening scene in the book.
No one was ever comparing Harry and Ginny with Edward and Bella. As far as romance category, or love between couples, Twilight wins. When we (Annalisa and I) mentioned the love in Harry Potter, we were referring to a deeper love. Also, I don't think Edward and Bella's relationship is based on lust.
So...everybody sort-of agrees! The love that Harry's parents show Harry (I'm thinking of the scene in the last book when James says to Harry, "We're so proud of you " and of course the whole dyting thing. And Snape. He loved Lily Evans truly. If that turned into jealousy, well, that made him more realistic. I'm not making a strong point here, am I?
So...everybody sort-of agrees! The love that Harry's parents show Harry (I'm thinking of the scene in the last book when James says to Harry, "We're so proud of you " and of course the whole dyting thing. And Snape. He loved Lily Evans truly. If that turned into jealousy, well, that made him more realistic. I'm not making a strong point here, am I?
Clara wrote: "So...everybody sort-of agrees! The love that Harry's parents show Harry (I'm thinking of the scene in the last book when James says to Harry, "We're so proud of you " and of course the whole dyting..." LOL, I think you've made an excellent point. You've stated that we all agree that both books have meaning behind them, and that both are wonderful stories. At the same time, the two stories are both different, and we should learn to appreciate both for what they are.
Clara, Yes Edward and Bella love each other. But I'm still going to defend my statement that Twilight teaches lust. Lust feels a lot like love, but is characterized by an immediate intensity. When you fall drastically in love you will fall drastically out just as quickly and only then realize your folly. The love in Twilight makes the characters irrational and immature. It blinds them to everyone who is not in the Edward/Bella bubble. While I think the intensity works for vampire love, it is unrealistic for the rest of us and girls who praise it as a the perfect love and the relationship to strive for will only find themselves caught up in at best a passionate lust that will soon fade and at worst an abusive relationship. I'm not saying Edward is abusive. I'm saying that you look for a guy like Edward who controls you in a relationship with that irrational intensity and you will find yourself in an abusive relationship. Works for vampires; doesn't work for humans. I would much rather see girls emulating Harry & Ginny or Ron & Hermione. A relationship that grows slowly out of friendship is the type that is deep and will last. It may not make for crazy intensity in literature, but in real life it proves a stronger love. I actually do like Harry & Ginny. Plus while I like Edward, Bella's swooning over him does focus a lot on the physical. Lavanya, I enjoyed your thoughts on love, but I'm going to have to disagree with you on soul mates. Maybe its because I get along with so many different types of people, but I believe any relationship can work and be rewarding with the effort you put into it. Yes some matches are better than others, but none are perfect. Soul mates is a great romantic notion, but the believe concerns me because it sets people up for the belief that you and your spouse will never fight or never misunderstand each other or never have your feelings hurt. Marriage is hard no matter whom you marry. You are emotionally vulnerable to another person which at times is going to be breached. Marriage can take you to great heights and great slums. If you believe in soul mates, at those slums you find yourself wondering if your soul mate is out there and you've made the wrong decision instead of working out of it. I feel like I'm sounding like such a boring fool who doesn't believe in love at all. I guess I just like JK's notions of love better.
Kamberli, I understand the idea that SM is trying to convey, but it just doesn't work for me. I defy anyone who thinks it is best to keep your spouse from pain instead of letting your trials forge a bond between you to go through natural childbirth and not cry out to protect your husband from the pain. It's a romantic notion that just isn't realistic. It's like this: you know when a relationship is new and you want the guy to think the best of you so you always put on your best behavior? You can't truly ever relax around him because yo don't want to screw things up. When your love reaches a point where you can trust them, you can open yourself up with all your vulnerability and know it is in a place of trust. You know he can see you without your makeup and you can cry on his shoulder and you can be yourself and he will still love you. If SM wanted to show them on this level, she should have had Bella open up to Edward about the pregnancy and hope he would do right by her instead of scheming against him. And in her greatest hour of need she should have turned to him for comfort instead of keeping it from him. That's the beauty of love is that the person is there for you to get you through your hard times so you don't have to do it on your own. When you love someone that deeply, you trust them with your pain; you don't keep it from them because then the pain can become a gulf between you. Your pain is part of what makes you vulnerable and sharing it with your spouse builds your trust. You keep your spouse from pain by not saying hurtful things or breaking a trust between you or ignoring their wants and concerns. Sharing with them is not about hurting them but about depending on the person you trust the most which compliments them and gives them the chance to serve you. It makes a relationship stronger. I'm not saying Edward and Bella don't love each other. I'm saying that their relationship is unrealistic and not a good one to emulate.
By soul mate, I wasn't referring to the traditional definition. I don't mean someone who is designed to be your perfect match. I actually meant that there are many people in our lives that love us and take care of us, and just we love and take care of them. We need them as much as they need us. And of those people, some them we can pursue a relationship with, and they might be the person you feel like you can be with forever. And they become your "soul mate". And even then, they aren't perfect. Nobody is perfect (sorry, I didn't mean to mention a Hannah Montana song title). And of course, even in the most healthy relationships people will fight, and disagree. What makes a healthy relationship is learning what those disagreements are, finding a way to resolve the problems, and growing from them.
I don't believe that someone just suddenly appears into your life, and you fall in love with them instantly, and three years later you get married. Which happens to be the case in Twilight. This kind of relationship isn't practical, and probably won't be successful.
I also agree that a relationship similar to that of Ron and Hermione is probably the most practical, and should be the type of relationship we pursue.
Now we're being practical. I don't like reading stories all about being practical any more than I like reading a car manual. And Twilight isn't the most super-realistic book ever. As far as realistic relationships go, Harry Potter is the best choice. But Twilight is about something extraordinary.
I think Bella has the perfect right to hide her pain from Edward. What would be wrong was if Edward refused to listen to her. Hiding pain is a part of Bella's character...which was the whole point...
Ron and Hermione have a good relationship, but you don't write a four book series about that specifically. And since Edward and Bella's relationship does work out, I think I can accept it. (They didn't have the option of developing a long and steady friendship.) The friendship came with the love. Since this is an unusual circumstance, it's hard to tell how realistic it is or not.
I think Bella has the perfect right to hide her pain from Edward. What would be wrong was if Edward refused to listen to her. Hiding pain is a part of Bella's character...which was the whole point...
Ron and Hermione have a good relationship, but you don't write a four book series about that specifically. And since Edward and Bella's relationship does work out, I think I can accept it. (They didn't have the option of developing a long and steady friendship.) The friendship came with the love. Since this is an unusual circumstance, it's hard to tell how realistic it is or not.
I agree with your very last statement, we can't be sure how this works out because it isn't meant to be realistic. Also, I feel that we shouldn't say that one book is better than the other because it is more realistic or practical. And I think it's fine for Bella to hide her pain from Edward. Sure, it may not be what most people do, but it wasn't unhealthy either, besides what Edward doesn't know, won't hurt him. But I would not recommend anyone to do something like that in a real relationship.
Oh, dear. Now there's no argument and I can't argue a point...and I don't have anything to say! I will say that Harry Potter does have such variety of plots, and relationships between people. Plus it uses all sorts of mythical allusions. But Twilight is more intense, and Edward Cullen is in it, which really does a lot for a book.
Lavanya: sorry about the typo, I was in a hurry!!! anyways I do agree with about the whole thing with Edward asking Bella and Jacob to have sex together I think that you have brought out some great points!!! but I still do like Twilight more than Harry Potter!!! lol
In my opinion I can't compare the two. They are both well written book on the basis that they hold my attention and keep me coming back over and over. Twilight has a greeting card style plot. SM will say something genaric and we fill in the meaning. That is why it has so much meaning. It is the meaning that I came up with and I like it so I'm sticking to it.Plot based, they can't compare because they involve two different areas of fantasy. They should stay seperate. (Like movie and book)
Writing, somedays you just don't want to have to look at grammar, so I don't and it doesn't matter.
I like both and depending on my mood will depend on which one I read at that moment.
Clara, you bring up a good point about Bella's silence being in her character. I'm not saying that Edward and Bella don't love each other, what I'm saying is that their relationship is abnormal and not one that should be put on a pedestal as ideal. Edward sneaks in Bella's room every night and encourages her to lie to her dad. Bella is begging for sex and it is Edward who stops her. This is not what girls are going to find in the general population of guys out there. Girls need to set their own limits before getting into a relationship and then be the ones to guard that line. When Edward and Bella start going out the rest of the world disintegrates. You should not dump your friends for a guy because when the relationship ends, you're going to need those girls. When Edward leaves, Bella is so distraught she because catatonic and then suicidal. If you're not willing to die at the loss of a relationship, that just makes you a mentally healthy person. It does not mean you love the guy any less. Girls cannot expect to toy with guys emotions either and have them stand back and smile. You kiss another guy in front of your fiance and I doubt you'll get the same reaction that Edward gave. But if a guy got jealous and angry it would not mean he loved you any less. And we've already discussed many of the scenes in Breaking Dawn. You're right, the intensity, the excitement works for the story and what makes Twilight a bestseller. What doesn't work for me is the idolization the relationship gets from girls, particularly ones who have no experience with love and think this is normal. We seem to be on the same page though, that Edward and Bella make great fiction, but Ron and Hermione make better role models.Lavanya, I'm glad you don't have unrealistic expectations of soul mates :). I get what you're saying. Sometimes I wonder how I didn't realize how perfect my husband is for me when we were dating, and often times those characteristics that make him my ideal spouse are the very ones that make me want to pull my hair out when I'm made at him :). And now I'm singing Hannah Montana...
Kamberli, I may be way off here, but I'm sensing an annoyance that I Twilight lovers often have of people who criticizes their favorite book. Your comment seems to imply that I have spend a lot of time in the throws of lust. Anyone who's had a school girl crush has. Lust carries such a derogatory term people are always quick to deny that is what they feel, but truthfully it's part of a relationship. There are many kinds of love: platonic, sexual, mental, spiritual, etc and the more layered the love the stronger it is. What makes Twilight so exciting is the sexual tension. It does not mean that Edward and Bella don't love each other, but the excitement of bite or kiss is what draws readers in. Since you yourself said you know the difference between love and lust, I could ask you the same question, but I won't because I'm sure we all have worked out in our heads that fine line that differentiates the two. You are certainly allowed to disagree with my statement with your own valid argument, but since you asked, my opinions on love vs lust come from examining my own emotions, watching the relationships of others, and from books I've read on relationships. I have been married enough years to survive the initial excitement that gets you through your first years and learn what love can be when you work at it and depend on it through the years. Gary Chapman in The Five Languages of Love makes an interesting point that the excitement of a new relationship (what people label as the feeling of being in love) will always eventually fade and what you're left with after you work on your relationship when you are past that honeymoon phase is what is real love.
Ivy, Thank you :).
Lara, I have to disagree with you about grammar. Good grammar is always preferred. Bad grammar makes you look unintelligent and distracts from your message (like nails on a chalkboard). Reading can only improve your literary skills if the writing is done properly. We learn to read, write, analyze, by reading. If our literature is cheapened to a state of gross misuse of the English language, where will that leave future generations? All the bad grammar and typos in Breaking Dawn were simple mistakes should have been picked up SM's editor (or copy editor).
Annalisa wrote: "Clara, you bring up a good point about Bella's silence being in her character. I'm not saying that Edward and Bella don't love each other, what I'm saying is that their relationship is abnormal and..."Well then I blame the editor for not catching the grammatical errors. Although, you are right, that sometimes, it is like nails on a chalkboard. But do writers have to posses perfect grammar in order to have a best selling book? Or can they be allowed to convey their ideas and let their editors deal with the numerous mistakes that slip through the cracks of creativity?
I would compare the books with Harry because of the adolescent heroes, Both made me remember great teenage times and feelings. Without comparing I enjoyed and looked forward to both.
Grammatical errors drive me crazy. (Sorry if my comments are full of them.)But that is more of an editing problem and not really something we should factor in.
Annalisa, I would like to disagree with you when you say... What makes Twilight so exciting is the sexual tension... . What makes Twilight more realistic is that, but what makes it exciting is the true love between the two characters. It would be just another cheap, boring romance if not for that.
Annalisa, I would like to disagree with you when you say... What makes Twilight so exciting is the sexual tension... . What makes Twilight more realistic is that, but what makes it exciting is the true love between the two characters. It would be just another cheap, boring romance if not for that.
Lara,A writer absolutely doesn't need to have perfect grammar to write a good book. It helps, but a good editor can be invaluable. I blame her editor too. As far as I can tell, she needed that fail safe and they just let her manuscript go through as is. She even said herself that she was surprised her editor didn't say anything about the Edward/Jacob conversation. Someone should have checked over that book for her.
Clara,
A combination of both?
Yes, I suppose. A combination of both. (I do dislike compromise, though.)
Sadly, I only read the sequels to Twilight once, andn very hurridly ,as I was borrowing all three of them from my friend when she was on vacation. A lot of the details in Breaking Dawn, etc., slipped past me.
I noticed nobody commented on the very annoying scenes on their honeymoon, while despite all the ways Bella could get hurt doing this before she was a vampire, they had sex. I thought that was worse than the Bella-Jacob thing Edward suggested.Why couldn't they have waited?
Sadly, I only read the sequels to Twilight once, andn very hurridly ,as I was borrowing all three of them from my friend when she was on vacation. A lot of the details in Breaking Dawn, etc., slipped past me.
I noticed nobody commented on the very annoying scenes on their honeymoon, while despite all the ways Bella could get hurt doing this before she was a vampire, they had sex. I thought that was worse than the Bella-Jacob thing Edward suggested.Why couldn't they have waited?
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