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Yep. Perdido Street Station in my case. Brilliantly written, but relentlessly, ridiculously grimdark, right down to the final plot twists that ensure that nothing resembling a happy ending can be imagined for any of the characters.

@Other Paul, your comment made me laugh, because I was firmly in Team Jacob without knowing about these "teams." Of course, I never got into the parts where he got all duchy and weird so maybe eventually I would have felt the same way but what I gained from the Twilight that I managed to endure was that Jacob was too good for this shit and just hadn't figured it out yet.

I actually got through Twilight, although I found it very bad writing

I also tossed A Game of Thrones away because I just couldn't bring myself to read a book full of useless characters I couldn't give a crap about when the characters I liked would only get a max of 100page screen time due to the massive amount of characters in the series. Waste of my time

Seriously- Game of Thrones. I feel like I should like them, I just don't. At all.

But there's only one trilogy which I absolutely hated, the Right Hand of God trilogy by Russell Kirkpatrick. I'm not linking to it on purpose. I'd seen the books in the store for years, and they had very interesting covers. As it happened, I picked them up just as RaceFail '09 was winding down. And I hated it. It seemed to hit on every single trope which RaceFail called attention to and criticized. The only reason I kept reading after the first book was because of the Prologue, which implied the archvillain might be a misunderstood antihero. If he was, then God really was an asshole and everything else everyone did was cast in a completely different light. Sadly, no. By epilogue, it was clear that no such subversion existed. I will never read another Kirkpatrick book again.

For what seems like nearly 30 years I've heard how great this series is and how funny. Somehow I never tried to read it until recently. Finally I bought the omnibus version for my kindle. It says I'm 9% through and its been the most tedious unfunny thing I've had to do since the last Monty Python movie someone tried to make me watch. And actually I think thats an apt comparison. Some people find Monty Python hilarious while others of us just quite simply find it beyond dumb which is pretty much where Hitchikers left me. Its been over a year since I started it and with only 9% down I'd say I've lemmed it though every now and then I try again. I usually make it about one kindle page before I want to throw it again except I don't want to break my kindle.

The Wheel of Time hasn't actually ended yet. Book 13 comes out early next year. But seeing as you don't much care I don't know why I am typing this out. I'll stop now.

No, the wheel of time has neither beginnings nor endings... ;)


No, the wheel of time has neither beginnings nor endings... ;)
Nicely done. :). I have wondered for awhile now if the last sentence will be something along the lines of "the wheel of time has neither beginnings nor endings. But it was an end"
*edit- changed neuter to neither. Damn autocorrect.

Instead of throwing them at a wall, throw them my way, I LOVE the Belgariad series. :)


That's interesting as quite a few people consider Faith of the Fallen as one of the better books in the series:) Like you, I disagree with Chris and love the Belgariad series. We all like different things for different reasons. To each there own. As Tom and Veronica said in the last videocast, there is something for everyone out there:)

That's interesting as quite a few people consider Faith of the Fallen as one of the better books in the series:) Like you, I disagree with Chris and love the Belgariad series. We a..."
If you would be so kind, could you tell me what it is that people like about Faith of the Fallen and why they consider it one of the better books in the series?


I can only say from my own point of view and a few reviews I have read here on Goodreads. It seems to be that Faith of the Fallen is more of a character based story than the other books. Sure there are a few chapters and interludes with the war in the Midlands, but the majority of the book is concerned with just Richard and Nicci and their experiences with the Imperial Order in the old world. Some political commentary here of course, but interestingly it seems to be more applicable today than when it was first published back in 2000.

Really hated what the author did to the story and the characters. =("
For me, the The Warrior Prophet was the best book in the Prince of Nothing series (which is probably my favorite fantasy series, ever).
Care to provide any additional information as to what about the characters and story you didn't like? I'm always interested when people's reactions to something are polar opposite mine.

Thanks for your response.
Ultimately, I think it's the political commentary that really started to get to me with these books. It's just not that well done, in my opinion. For me, Faith of the Fallen was Mr. Goodkind telling the reader "communism/socialsm = bad" over and over and over and over and over again.
I'm kinda curious what the reaction would be to the series if their publishing happened to coincide with the rise of the Tea Party.
Lord Of The rings.
I forced my self to read all three even though I knew I would hate every minute of it, and I did. In the end I didn't get anything out of it other than the overwhelming need to punch Frodo in the face.
I forced my self to read all three even though I knew I would hate every minute of it, and I did. In the end I didn't get anything out of it other than the overwhelming need to punch Frodo in the face.

Exactly. I read Faith of the Fallen in February this year so it coincided with a lot of the Obamacare, Tea Party, Occupy Wall Street, 99% movements. I had quite a few "this sounds familiar" thoughts while reading it:) If I had read it any other time, I probably would not have found it as engaging.

Gail Z Martin's books, read the 3rd one and realised it was the most generic shit I have ever read along with Fiona McIntosh's quickening. Both were nothing but cliched characters with one interesting take on magic. Just thinking about them has me raging over the money I wasted by not realising how boring they were till the 3rd book




Funny you say that, Lord of the Flies is the only book I've ever fallen asleep reading. And it wasn't because I was tired.
As for books I wanted to hurl across the room, the two that come to mind for me are The Magicians by Lev Grossman and Before I Fall by Lauren Oliver.
I didn't really mind the bad behavior Grossman brought into the fantasy setting, but after awhile, all the characters I'd fallen in love with ended up being despicable. I lemmed it right before the third book.
I was turned off by the mere description of Oliver's book, mostly because I knew I'd never relate to the main character, but then I read the the prologue and decided to give it a chance. After reading the first two chapters, I realized that it didn't deserve the chance I gave it. The characters were so petty and shallow, you could step in them without getting your toes wet. Not that I disliked them, but that I honestly felt like their story wasn't worth my time. I skipped to the end of the book so I wouldn't be totally left out of the conversation (it was for a book club) and found that it only affirmed my apathy for the characters.
Coincidentally, I've heard that there is another, lesser-known author who also named Lauren Oliver whose work is actually very good. I'm sorry that she'll have to use a pseudonym from now on.


To me lemming is quitting a book because you find it boring or uninteresting. Throwing it across the room involves more of a active hate for the story or characters in it

Jim Butcher- you are an evil genius. I love/hate/love you.

To me lemming is quitting a book because you find it boring or uninteresting. Throwing it across the room involves more of a active hate for the ..."
Lemming happens with a disappointed sigh. Throwing happens with a berserker war cry.

To me lemming is quitting a book because you find it boring or uninteresting. Throwing it across the room involves more of a active ..."
You're a poet! And you didn't even realize it!


Sad thing is...I totally didn't realize it!

I think that's from a Bob Dylan Song...
I'm a poet,
And didn't know it,
Hope I don't blow it.

On the negative end, those books written like some short stories made in high school *ehem*50-shades-of-gray-and-twilight*ehem*. I feel stupid (maybe this is a bit harsh?) and sad when I try reading those kinds (tried reading some parts but didn't pursue).

My sister on the other had literally through the Hunger Games across the room when (spoiler alert) Rue dies. I finished the series but said she wouldn't. She also thought it was to much like Battle Royal which she read about 6 years ago. I still think the Hunger Games was pretty good.
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