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Derek
Thank you, Arushi! :-)Btw, took the quiz they have... I'm a member of the Order.
I haven't read the Night Huntress series but I like the relationships you described for Derek, Ascanio and Julie.
I wonder if Derek's injuries will change him over the next book or two. He thinks he's a little hideous now, but Julie still cares for him. Maybe that'll make him look beyond his brotherly feelings?I wonder if Julie might end up with Ascanio? They are very close in ages and will probably be spending a lot of time together.
Actually, when you get right down to it, Julie's a child and shouldn't think about settling down with anyone for years yet! I'd far rather see Kate catching Julie and Ascanio going at it, so that we could watch Kate's head explode in rage LMAO!!
That scene would be hilarious.Well, it's not Julie thinking about settling down but the readers already talking about these things. It's kind of funny how... important this aspect seems to be for some. LOL
We got a teaser when Julie 'kissed' Ascanio, before kicking his butt. Kate's reaction was, "kill me somebody." LOL For me, Julie's too young, and has just gone through a lot, to be even dating, especially shapeshifters. Considering Ascanio is a "sex fiend" he is totally out.
In her case, if there's any romance, it'd be... sigh. It'd be more fun if it about growing up and making friends who'll last her for life. So far Julie does not really have her own circle, and she'll probably need that.
Yeah, good points both of you! Julie is too young and needs friends more than romance. Though, I wouldn't mind seeing some outrageous flirting between her and the various guys in her life. That's usually pretty funny!
That would be pretty funny, with Kate groaning through it all. Oh the joys of being a guardian to a teenager.. LOLAnd can you imagine how Curran would react to that? I can't figure out if he'll tell Kate to lay off, or warn off the guys?
The Beast Lord threatening teenage boys *snicker*
I keep forgetting to add this. I took the quiz too Sarah. I am a member of the PAD. Oh and you should also move the Night Huntress series to your TBR pile. It is PNR, but its actually pretty good :) and the relationship is very real, with there being reasons for every action and reaction, as well as fights and arguments.
Several people have recommended the NH series. I'll think about it.
Are you worried coz its romance? If that is the case, I have recommendation, which has next to no romance. Reckoning
This is a prequel, from the POV of the main male lead (the series is from the POV of the female lead). It has a few spoilers for the first book, but not too many, and you'll get an idea on how the series is going to be.
Ah, the famous Bones. ;-)Thanks again.
Arushi wrote: "The Beast Lord threatening teenage boys *snicker* "LMAO!! That's so funny! I wonder if it would be considered an abuse of his position if he were to kick Ascanio's butt for merely flirting with Julie, so he might be in a difficult position (probably not that different from any parent of a difficult teenager LOL). Maybe Kate could appeal to Aunt B?
Lannister wrote: LMAO!! That's so funny! I wonder if it would be considered an abuse of his position if he were to kick Ascanio's butt for merely ..."Sarah wrote: "Ah, the famous Bones. ;-)"
You've heard of him!!!! :D
I dunno... shapeshifters have weird parenting mottos. I liked: "If you kid kills someone, have a backup plan to hide the body"
Plus Julie is referred to as the "pack princess" so everyone would probably be like.. if you were dumb enough to flirt with her, AND get caught by Curran, then you deserve what you get.
Oh god yeah, I'd forgotten about that. I guess it's different rules for shapeshifter kids! In all seriousness though, I firmly believe Kate and Julie are going to run up against the blood bond thing, where Kate accidentally imposes her will on Julie. The fact that Curran drew attention to it at the end of Magic Slays almost guarantees (in my mind anyway) that it's going to come up in one way or another. I hope it doesn't become an issue over something like Julie having an inappropriate boyfriend though.
About the NH books, I've got the first one but haven't got round to reading it yet. The series seems hugely popular and I've always meant to make a start on it. One of these days ...!
pffft.. don't worry so much. As much as I am harassing you about it.. i had the books for like over 6 months before I finally started them. Of course once I started... I finished the series in under a week.. but then I am crazy that way. I am sure Julie will find out about the blood bond thing, but I also think that Curran and Kate underestimate how much she cares for and looks up to Kate.
Kate saved her, when she had no real reason to do so, and then took her in. She is family as far as Julie is concerned, and Julie will understand that Kate did it to save her life. She's not an immature kid. Stubborn, sure, but unreasonable? No.
Plus, the other person she most looks up to/trusts is Derek, and once this comes out, she's bound to talk to him. He's gonna point out to her that she's alive coz of what Kate did.
She might not find out through Kate ordering her. They don't hide things from her, so she might find out about Hugh, and the Arez ritual in general, and then figure out that, that was what Kate used to save her.
Arushi wrote: "She might not find out through Kate ordering her. They don't hide things from her, so she might find out about Hugh, and the Arez ritual in general, and then figure out that, that was what Kate used to save her. "Oh good point! It never even occurred to me that she might figure it out herself. :)
I don't see Kate and Julie having a huge falling-out over this, and in many ways, I actually think it might be better if Kate sat her down and explained. Julie has a huge amount of respect for Kate and you'd think if Kate said something like "I had to do this ritual to save your life because I couldn't bear to lose you. Please understand that I have no desire to force my will on you, though I may do it accidentally one day. It's an unfortunate side effect of keeping you alive".
As you say, Julie is not a brat and though she might be freaked out at first, I'm sure she'd come to understand Kate's predicament.
Hmmmm, here's some wild speculation about the blood bond ... Kate is able to perform this ritual because she has Roland's blood and she uses Roland's magic. Does this mean that Roland might be able to impose his will on Julie, since Kate was effectively using his power?
I keep thinking of that line "you taste like family". It seems to reinforce Kate's connection to Roland, and I wondered if the ritual 'belonged' to him? Basically, anything done using the power of his blood could ultimately be controlled by him? (I know this is pretty wild, but it's fun to throw theories out there for other people to dissect!) That could be a major plot development!
Its possible. But when Kate broke the sword, she had to make it hers first. So the same rule applies here?
Kate 'owned' Julie's blood for a while, and then made it obey her will. So maybe to make use of the bond, Roland might have to do something to Julie's blood? Maybe not the whole ritual, but a tiny one?
But in that case, he can already make her obey, like how Kate tortured that Lighthouse Keeper?
BUT, if your theory is right, then is the vice versa possible? Can Kate screw with the bond and order Hugh and others around?
I looked up the scene where Kate takes possession of the sword. She gets stabbed with it, then she says the power word meaning "Mine". Then it says:"My biological father’s blood reacted with mine and recognized it. The sword was mine. It would obey. Now."
I think we could safely assume that Roland, being ancient and hugely powerful, knows all the power words, so he could probably take possession of whatever he wants. Maybe he just has to mingle a little of his blood with Julie's? Maybe he's so powerful though that he doesn't even need to do that?
I did wonder about Hugh's bond. That would be an awesome turnaround. Imagine a scene where they're in a sword fight and they both have minor injuries and are bleeding. Maybe Kate rubs a cut hand against a cut on Hugh's body, says the word of possession and suddenly she's in charge of his bond?!
I love speculating and throwing theories out there. Sometimes I'm not even sure I entirely believe them myself, so even I'm not 100% convinced on this one. But, it would be amazing if this happened! :D
Remember when Saiman says that Kate was covered in tattoos? Maybe she has the entire language inscribed on her. But we've run so FAR off topic.
More Derek!
More Derek is always good! :-)
Okay, Derek scenario I was thinking about last night. The wolves are in chaos. Jennifer steps down. The beta's are Challenged and killed by other wolves. The wolves fight among themselves to figure out who is Alpha. Curran stays out of it because the Clan needs to figure out for itself what it's doing. Some of the strong, even minded wolves get killed. There is a winner of sorts. He's mean and aggressive and dumb. Derek doesn't know this as he's been too busy working for Kate to fuss with wolf business.
Kate and Co are looking into a case around or on Wolf territory. Derek and Julie are there one day researching something. The new "alpha" shows up and attacks Julie. Derek, angrier than he's ever been, kills him in dramatic fashion to save Julie. The other wolves find out and don't Challenge him. Derek becomes the new Alpha. He doesn't want it, but the Clan will go back into chaos if he doesn't take it.
So that's my Derek becoming Alpha scenario that could conceivable happen in our life times. I was at a play last night, Beauty and the Beast, and got bored and Derek came to mind.
Issa wrote: "Okay, Derek scenario I was thinking about last night. The wolves are in chaos. Jennifer steps down. The beta's are Challenged and killed by other wolves. The wolves fight among themselves to ..."
definitely interesting. I thought it was funny you thought it up in the middle of Beauty and the Beast..LOL...
Issa wrote: "Okay, Derek scenario I was thinking about last night. The wolves are in chaos. Jennifer steps down. The beta's are Challenged and killed by other wolves. The wolves fight among themselves to ..."
This is a great theory Issa. It seems very plausible and I could see this happening. I think you're correct also that Curran won't get involved because it's something they need to sort out themselves. I think he'd only step in if they were basically slaughtering each other, and even then, it would only be to tell them to sort out their mess.
Interesting theory. But I'm not sure if Derek wouldn't know about a new (mean) alpha wolf.
He might know, but even then the new scenario is plausible. It might not even be Julie.
Derek's also pretty protective of Kate.
What if the new Alpha made some comments about Kate? she might not be there (coz if she is, lets face it, she's way more kick ass then Derek) and so Derek ends up losing his temper with the new guy.
Derek is pretty calm usually, but he does snap when it comes to Kate and Julie.
Arushi wrote: definitely interesting. I thought it was funny you thought it up in the middle of Beauty and the Beast..LOL... ..."I know! The play was pretty dull in places, at least for me, and they tried to make the Beast funnier then I thought he should be so that got me thinking about grumpy beasts I knew. Curran came to mind first which naturally led me to Derek.
Protecting Kate also works. I didn't think of her since she could take out any wolf on her own. So let's say there is a confrontation. Kate tells Derek to stay out of it and smacks the new Alpha around but doesn't kill him (bad Pack politics). She turns or gets vulnerable for some reason, the Alpha attacks Kate, and Derek freaks, becomes super wolf, and kills the Alpha.
So you could have some Pack intrigue before Derek is named Alpha by exploring the legitimacy of the kill since the Challenge was to Kate not Derek and we know how much the wolves love Kate.
Actually, now that I say that I'm not sure I know how the wolves view Kate. Do they all dislike her or do they just channel Jennifer?
I think the wolves were just channeling Jennifer. Also, no one would dare attack Kate's back. Period. Attacking her would be stupid enough, but cheating? Curran would kill them even if they won, so it won't work. Not to mention, Kate's just too good.
Also, fights in the Pack are always to the death. If Kate beat up the Alpha, she'd have to kill him/her for the fight to be over. That was why she never challenged Jennifer, coz she knew she'd end up killing both her and Daniel, and she just wasn't mad enough to go that far.
BUT, Derek might get mad enough to fight, if someone is trash talking Kate, behind her back of course. Jennifer was the one with the agenda against Kate, but because of that, most of the wolves probably don't know anything about her, and what they know, they heard from Jennifer, which has to be BS.
Oooh I love this Issa! The point about the legitimacy of the challenge is exactly the kind of detail that IA works into her plots, so that she can explain more about Pack law and politics. My (admittedly vague) impression was that the rank and file members of the wolf clan probably don't really care either way about Kate, but they take their lead from their alpha. So if the alphas have a grudge, then the clan has a grudge. But I believe a new alpha could change that.
Another point that came to my mind in favour of Jennifer stepping down was a conversation she had with Kate after Julie had gone loup. Jennifer tells Kate that she's pregnant and admits that she could never kill her own child if he/she went loup, even though that's the alpha's job. Kate reassures her that Daniel would do it if necessary. Well, obviously Daniel's out the picture now, and Jennifer is maybe already realising that she doesn't have what it takes to be alpha on her own. I definitely think she'll step back and let someone else take over.
@ Lannister,i agree thats there a big chance Jennifer will step down, she'll prob be challenged if she doesnt and i doubt she'd want her baby getting hurt - unless the pack cant challenge her while she's pregnant??
That's a good point. I've no idea actually if there are rules about challenging a pregnant alpha? The only other solo female alpha I can think of is Aunt B, and I don't know if the books have ever gone into any challenges she might have faced.
It is my understanding that Raphael acts as the male Alpha to the boudas. And according to Pack Code, Alphas must be challenged as a pair, not a solo endeavor. (view spoiler)
Another fact, Kate cannot challenge anyone beneath her, and since she is now the Female Pack alpha - won by blood, being the mate of Curran, as well as the council voting her to the position, any challenge would need to come from lower to higher. Besides, I am not sure Derek gives two hoots about being the alpha, he seems pretty content to stick close to Kate; this can be seen by his going to work for her.
Another fact, Kate cannot challenge anyone beneath her, and since she is now the Female Pack alpha - won by blood, being the mate of Curran, as well as the council voting her to the position, any challenge would need to come from lower to higher. Besides, I am not sure Derek gives two hoots about being the alpha, he seems pretty content to stick close to Kate; this can be seen by his going to work for her.
yea i doubt derrek would do something that low but there are plenty of other wolves in the pack that might. but shapeshifters are pretty big on children so they might not risk it...
This maybe off topic but Derek has not shown any interests in women besides for the girl that died at the games. I know Julie likes him but I think he might think of her as his sister. I think Jennifer might step down and the beta's under her may step up or unless somebody hooks up with Jennifer since she's single. I don't think Derek wants that job, last impression before taking the job with Kate he wanted Jim's job and running a clan like the wolves is different job sort of, he wants to be next to Curran/working with him.
A lot of guys think of girl as their younger sister and then as they grow up feelings change - and vice versa. So I don't really see the ick factor in that at all. I know very many of such relationships, I guess that's why a Derek-Julie scenario won't bother me. Once she's older, of course.
Yeah, what's a little incest among family?
Just kidding!
I foresee Julie and Derek getting together later in the series - it seems to me to be the direction it has been heading for a while. It must also be noted Kate is the one who told the Bouda that Derek sees Julie as a little sister - I don't remember Derek ever saying that. And, to me, it sounded a lot possessive when Derek said something to the affect of "and you never hit girls, especially THAT girl!"
The age difference is not all that great either, Julie is what 13 or 14, and Derek is 18 or 19? Sounds like a match made in Heaven to me. A couple more years and its all systems go.
Just kidding!
I foresee Julie and Derek getting together later in the series - it seems to me to be the direction it has been heading for a while. It must also be noted Kate is the one who told the Bouda that Derek sees Julie as a little sister - I don't remember Derek ever saying that. And, to me, it sounded a lot possessive when Derek said something to the affect of "and you never hit girls, especially THAT girl!"
The age difference is not all that great either, Julie is what 13 or 14, and Derek is 18 or 19? Sounds like a match made in Heaven to me. A couple more years and its all systems go.
Okay (rolling my eyes @ Duane), I think we can all agree that we would like to see Derek with Julie but that will hopefully happen in the future. She's got a couple or a few years first before they can hook up so unless IA jumps into the future for now Derek is single and doubt will be going after being leader of the Wolf clan. I just wonder in the meantime what IA will do with him....... Will he a love/fling interest in someone else? Who knows maybe Ascento might make play for Julie since they are closer in age? Things to think about....
well derek cant date julie for quiet a few years yet otherwise thats call consensual rape. O.o and i think kate might skin derek alive, lol. but im thinking Ascento might charm his way.... but i doubt julie will fall for him, though there's a short story coming out about julie going to school (Magic test) so she might meet someone there??
I'm totally against a Derek/Julie hook up. It would be predictable and boring. We also already have several (potential) couples. Not everyone has to get together. It's still UF and not PNR.
I hope they stay close like siblings.
Darn, that would leave out a "Bimbo Room in the Future" match up between the two.
i think im going to agree with Sarah on this one.
If you like the idea, Duane, you can alwas write with a BR epsiode for them. That's the cool thing. We all like different things and have different expectations for future books. :-)
In the beginning I was a Derek/Julie shipper, but not anymore. I really like them as siblings. And I will always think Derek will be the wolf alpha someday and I think life will be much easier for him if his mate is a shifter. But I won't throw my books against the wall if the two do hook up.I think IA has two more Kate books planned and if that's so, it's hard to believe enough time would pass for Julie to completely grow up and be with anyone.
Maybe there will be a Julie spin-off one day. Who knows.
i have to say im hoping the kate storys will go beyond the 7 books they currently have planned.
♥ Ashleigh ♥ wrote: "i have to say im hoping the kate storys will go beyond the 7 books they currently have planned."So long as the next book's about Hugh, I don't care!
I think as long as IA keep getting contracts for more they'll keep writing. A couple of more books will not be enough for KD to mass enough knowledge/magic to take on Roland. Even Hugh seems to be waiting in the wings for something. While she may be able to take Hugh on soon, a big wrap-up of the series is a ways off. If a confrontation takes place between her and Roland too soon, then, even though we know it's all fantasy, it will seem too unbelievable.
Well, I don't know. I believe that book six (the next book) is supposed to be Kate's showdown with Hugh, and I think IA has confirmed that this is happening. So that leaves book seven for the Roland showdown. It's quite doable I think."A couple of more books will not be enough for KD to mass enough knowledge/magic to take on Roland"
Hey, it's possible that she might take on Roland ... and lose! :D (I don't really think that!)
Kate's got Rowena in her pocket now. I'll bet she learns some tricks from her.
im kind of hoping hugh and kate will team up against roloand! there must be a reason why hugh hasnt told roland about kate yet.
If Hugh is bonded to Roland, (view spoiler) I guess Hugh could work behind the scenes, but what is that for a warlord?
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