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Global warming: not science, but mass neurosis
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Jul 09, 2008 01:17PM
I do like me a good air conditioner.
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oooooo now I've done it - I've mocked The Goracle! I will surely burn for this. Who's cherry pickin' B ? I'm using NASA and NOOA data and their findings. I'm simply not reading anything into them that isn't there. And if you look at what I and Nick have been saying, it's really not any different than your position, other than not buying into the anti-SUV, anti-suburban, man made global warming hysteria and the not so subtle morality you attach to it. I drive an Xterra, but I commute via mass transit 4 hours a day. Neither of those realities make me any better or worse a human than the next shmo. And as long as The Goracle continues to make an ass of himself, I will mock him.
...and apologies to you Nick if I've spoken for you out of turn.
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I suppose in some ways it's like arguing about how many angels dance on the head of a pin.
Coming from a pagan perspective it's been difficult to separate out my feelings about the environment (people who cut down trees are evil and should be shot) and actual knowledge. At this point we know enough to know that we should pay attention to walking lightly. I think it's going to have to be up to achingly slow legislation and political hashing to determine how we are going to find a balance as a species.
I have come to believe, however, that creating a fascist state in the interest of environmentalism is a really bad idea. Eventually, when push comes to shove, people will change their behavior voluntarily. Or not.
re: message 10, i think you mean god is the answer to everythingQ: Why’s it so hot?
A: God
Q: Why’s it so cold?
A: God
Q: Why are there earthquakes?
A: God
Q: Why are there hurricanes?
A: God hates sinners
Q: Why have shark attacks increased off the coast of Florida?
A: God hates Jews
Q: Why does little Johnny have to repeat the third grade?
A: God wants to teach him a lesson
Q: Why do my boxer briefs keep riding?
A: God wants to teach you a lesson
Q: Why did I eat two gyros when one would have sufficed, and they really weren’t that good, because that sauce was too sweet, and someone put a tomato on there even after I expressly asked them not to?
A: You're a pig
Oh DakChar, you know perfectly well that the only reason fascism hasn't worked to date is because we haven't tried it.
Not Bill, it is always interesting to me that conservatives (please correct me if I have misnamed your political bent) love to take the moral high ground against what they perceive as immoral liberal viewpoints, until one of their own habits, practices, or beliefs is criticized, then they cry "foul" because, dammit, conservatives are the ones with good old fashioned moral standards. If I had a dollar for every comment I have heard personally from suburban, urban, and rural conservatives decrying left wing debauchery while defending rabid, self serving rampant consumerism (ie. I drive an SUV, sure, but I recycle my newspapers and I bring a designer canvas bag to (insert upscale supermarket in your area here) when I go grocery shopping. Yes, Gore is strident and so is Michael Moore. We all know that, but unless someone makes a big stink, people who overly consume because they believe God made the world for our use, or the environment is bullet proof, or the Universe just wants some people to have more wealth cuz they deserve it ( as the horrible book The Secret would have you believe), or whatever justification you personally use, we will all keep on with the same selfish habits and attitudes as in the industrial past. Come on, man, how many times must you ride on a commuter train to personally undo the waste of resources, gas, etc that comes from driving a fat SUV or living in a home many times larger than needed? Just once, I would like a conservative to be honest and admit that they like having more things than the poor and stop trying to whitewash bad behavior with excuses. DakChar, honestly, is Gore proposing a fascist state, really? I may have missed something, but I seriously doubt Gore would propose, say, a military invasion of another nation for selfish gain (that would be Bush) or concentration camps for SUV drivers, or the elimination of fair and open elections (again, Bush) or any other draconian methods or practices, other than let's stop using up everything that will one day belong to our children, and let us also try to clean up any crappy messes we have already created for our grandchildren.
*sigh* must now smoke much hippie weed and masturbate while burning a flag made of recycled paper.
Spot on BunnWat. So, just as soon as I'm done crushing this man made global warming hogwash, the sooner we can get to serious discussions on responsible energy production and conservation. Speaking of hogwash we now have "An Inconvenient Truth - The Opera!" Oh yes...to open at LaScala, directed by none other than William "The Sorcerer" Friedkin.
Too bad, those other guys keep trying to pigeon-hole people into certain boxes just because they disagree... it's unfortunately a common tactic that reduces the effectiveness of the exchange.C'est la vie. For now.
Q: Why's it so hot?A: Gore turned off the a/c to save energy
Q: Why's it so cold?
A: Gore's stupid solar heater sucks ass.
Q: Why are there earthquakes?
A: Michael Moore fell down.
Q: Why are there hurricanes?
A: Gore is still pissed at Florida.
Q: Why have shark attacks increased off the coast of Florida?
A: see above
Q: Why does Johnny have to repeat the third grade?
A: Gore thinks some children should be left behind.
Q: Why do my boxer briefs keep riding?
A: Global warming is making your ass too slippery... don't blame Al.
At least one of those answers must be the global force that is Chuck Norris.
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Bunny... yes yes yes yes and more yes.
B. ... I never implied that Al Gore is advocating a fascist state. I simply think that it's something to keep in mind as we wrangle with the issue. I have, however, heard many Uber Environmentalists propose rather draconian measures be implemented in the defense of nature. There's just as much of that on the Left as there is on the Right. Which is why I tend to drift toward the middle. Keep a significant distance between me and... well... most other people. Thanks.
NB... "An Inconvenient Truth - The Opera!" can play alongside "Springtime For Hitler". That would make a great double bill.
Thanks, KIng Dinosaur! I like you fine as well...sorry about that environmental disaster that killed all of your subjects. To be perfectly honest, I usually play devil's advocate... sometimes to inform, sometimes to bring some fairness into any one-sided argument, and sometimes because I am an asshole.
DakChar, I would never lump you in with the common herd. You are your own unique category of smart hotness and that is why we come here to the Axis... well, that's why I come here, anyway. Apologies and e-kisses if I have offended thee.
bwahaha..."Selected not elected" is that it? 8 years of complete delusion. Yes, I tend to conservatism. And yes, I am eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil. I stroll about in my fat, pear shaped body, flaunting my Rolex and iPhone. I eat large, expensive meals that I never come close to finishing and i never ask for a doggie bag. I drive an SUV AND i live in the suburbs close to my local church. And all that makes me undoubtedly the biggest asshat that ever lived. That, and the fact I voted for Reagan twice. Ouch!
OK OK the large expensive meals, Rolex and iPhone thingy I made up. Unfortunately, the fat pear shaped body thingy seems to be looming around the corner. The rest...all true.
I love you anyway, Not Bill. I voted for Clinton twice, I am a reformed born-again, I drive a used station wagon, I cook at home, and my body is exactly what it was at age sixteen (good genes, I guess) and occasionally I snack on a tasty Rolex sandwich on rye. Seriously, debate is what makes us interesting to one another and I mean no real insult by anything I said. If I saw you stranded at the side of the road in your fat SUV with a dead iPhone, I would stop to help in a sec. We are all more alike than different, no matter what political persuasion, race, country of origin, or choice of cell phone. And, I do love cats.
Bunny, you are my kind of girl. I am currently employed as a stone mason, and I work in the spendy "burbs of the Twin Cities, where I am often not allowed to park my old wagon full of tools in the colored stone drives of McMansions cuz I will probably leak fluids all over the nice people's car's home. If I see an SUV stuck in the ditch, I will offer a ride, but I make them sit in the spot where the dog peed.
Thanks B - no insult taken. Agreed - we're much closer on the issues than we are apart, and most of us want the same result. I grew up with station wagons. 2 week station wagon vacations from hell. Never again.
No worries on finding me on the side of the road. I belong to 4x4 club - I'm pretty handy with my vehicle and have experience driving in snow. However, if I should find you on the shoulder of I-80 near Tahoe struggling with a set of chains, I'll be more than happy to give you a hand or a lift. ; ]
Yup. I bleed for my craft everyday. Brutal on the hands, back, etc. I have a theory that constructions of all kinds need blood shed in order that the thing will keep on standing. Since most folks don't go in for the human sacrifice thing anymore, it is up to us construction types to voluntarily (or not) shed some red stuff on the job so the house won't fall down after we clean up and leave.
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Gore can be a pompous ass sometimes. But I don't think that means he's not trying to tell us something he sincerely believes to be true, based on the evidence he has found. There is a problem, and whether we can do anything about it or not, I think we should try.
If anyone is curious, I drive a Scion XB, which looks supremely dorky, is useless for towing anything or four-wheeling, but gets good gas mileage. But I take the bus to work most of the time, anyway.
Not Bill, My last vacation with my family as a kid of nineteen was all seven of us in a Chevy Citation, going from northern Minnesota to Florida and back. Hell is not even close to that trip... no a/c, no room, and one brother still in diapers... ah, the sweet smell of togetherness.
I drive a 1995 Saturn station wagon. It has 160,000 miles. The driver's side rear view mirror has been hanging by a wire for years. I love that car. My kids are starting to roll their eyes at it, though.:)
I live near a bike path, Bunners. The recumbent bike people look funny, but I bet their backs are better than mine:)
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So let me get or axis of evil list straight NB, we have:
The Goracle
Al Imadinnerjacket
I know there is more but that's all I can think of at the moment.
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I just couldn't leave my toy broken in the yard, so I was working on it, and ended up passing out.
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If you can't take care of yourself for your own sake, do it for hers.
I hope you are doing better.
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B. no offense taken in any way shape or form. But cyber kisses are always welcome. And it's sweet of you to say you come around here just because of lil ole me. Even if it's hyperbole, I'll take it and put it under my mattress for winter time.
I drive a Toyota Matrix. I have been known to ride around town with hay bales, dog and tools in the car as well. Bunny, do you think we are soul mates? Opposite coasts, matching outfits.
psst... everyone... NB's growl is much worse than his bite. He mostly just likes to stir up shit and see what floats to the surface. : )
I just have to say that when it snowed in April I was thinking, "Global Warming MY ASS!"
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Bunny has to come in Sept., when I'm there, damn it! :)
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Mystic Jackie says the portents look favorable!
Hang on, I consult my magic 8 ball!
Pfft, "Ask again later!"
Charissa, we must consult an evil mastermind and see if it can be done! Most of Southern Oregon is a wasteland (in my humble opinion) anyway. :)
Charissa, we must consult an evil mastermind and see if it can be done! Most of Southern Oregon is a wasteland (in my humble opinion) anyway. :)
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(psst... hey you guys, WTF is a hypoxia incident?)
Does that have something to do with getting your hand stuck to your forehead while crafting?
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I once glued my fingers together with crazy glue. You know, it kind of hurts.
I once was screwing around with my mom's super glue (I was maybe 10) and some squished out on my hand. I washed it, but of course it didn't come off. So I read the back and it said to "rinse under water. Seek immediate medical attention...(if it gets in your eye)" Well, I didn't see the period after water and didn't read on to the "gets in your eye" part. All I saw was "rinse under water seek immediate medical attention" PANIC!!! All I got was a spanking for playing with her super glue, all for nothing!
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But, hey! Look at the bright side. You didn't crazy glue yourself to the dog.
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crafting and chicken jokes? no doubt, doilies will be involved.
I'm not now, nor have I ever been, a Bush fan--but I think that's a really great joke.
You don't like to see "sloppy work" and "White House" in the same sentence.
I still like Reagan's "...bombing begins in five minutes" LOL. I know some needed a diaper change on that one.
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