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Vampire Academy - R. Mead
About the age thing I think think thats more something set up in other cultures young girls marry older men all the time and vice versa.We put to much on a title sticking people in groups : age groups,race groups, sexual perfernce groups. When people are raised a certian way to believe something is wrong they cant really wrap their mind around why anyone would do it. IMO
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In a lot of societies, the young girl marrying the man doesn't have much say in the relationship. Their parents pick, or society dicates they do and they are frequesntly forced into the submissive role wether they want to or not. (I do say a lot. I know sometimes things work out just fine, but more often than not, those are societies where women don't have many rights outside of the home, as it is.)
As for America, I do know one couple with a ten year age difference that works. Although, she is a very submissive person in general, but he's a decent guy and doesn't take advantage of that.
All the other couples I know have been abusive in some way. One lady gets beatten, a co-workers boyfriend sits in the car outside and watches her work to make sure no males flirt with her - this relationship will soon turn physically abusive, but it's already emotionally (although, she's the only one that doesn't see the signs), and then there's my best friend from high school... Her mom married at 14. Turns out he's a pedophile. (Wonder why a 28 year old was marrying a 14 year old????) Everything was great, until he started raping my friend. When the mom tried to stand up to him, she got beatten too. They had to flee from home and hide for several years to avoid him killing them.
I get that that can happen to anyone, any age difference, but out of the 12 or so couples I know, only one's not abusive and that's what frieghtens me. That's a high percentage of physically abusive relationships. Although, if you're dating Hugh Heffner, I guess you're set for life and you'll be treated great. There are nice guys out there, and sometimes it really is love and all will work out, but a lot of times the older party is searching out a weaker, less mature mate for a reason.
Anyway, I'm more concerned with the teacher-student issue in VA. The age thing, I only believe is wrong when a person's under 18 (although, I'd like them to be a bit older), or being abused. Also, like Carrie's situation, growing up together makes a difference too. You have time to get to know one another outside of a relationship when people often times act more like themselves.
Right I dont believe that children should be getting into relationships with old nasty men not at all.I finished Spirit Bound and loved it. I think Last sacrafices ending will be open there is no way all that needs to be solved will be solved for Roses story in one book.
I don't think the age difference between 17 and 24 is that drastic. I dated guys in their 20's when I was in high school and wasn't any worse for it. Would I let my 17 year old daughter date a 24 year old? HELL no. You bet I'm all about the double standard. In a lot of cases, the guy is much more life experienced.But...this is a book, and Rose and Dimitri are connected souls. It was never about Dimitri trying to "get some" which made it much less uncomfortable in my eyes.
Now if she had been even a year or two younger it would have been much more huge, but she was so close to 18 as it was.
I was one of those girls that was 17 and dated a 24 year old. We dated for almost 2 years. The reason we broke up, he asked me to marry him and I wasn't ready. I was just getting ready to go to college and start my life. He was just getting out of the army and ready to settle down. Just in 2 different places.
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I just hope my library processes the book fast. I am #7, but they ordered 35 copies, so I will be in the first round to get the book.
Well I might not read it right away either. My GF and I always read these together and we aren't sure when we can get together (we live 1.5 hrs away from each other).
I preordered mine about October. Once I have it in my hands I'll read book 4 & 5. Never could quite stand the wait in between getting the books.
In VA, i really like inner-conflict Rose goes through knowing her life is only to serve and defend others. I dont live in a country where we are drafted into the army but i would image it has some simillar feelings for teenager in that situation. I can not wait to see what happens in this last one.
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The ebook is already out at some of the darknet sites. I will be waiting until I buy mine though. I usually get it from Costco.Sooooooooo excited, I can't wait!
Damn you Stacia! lol I want to read it so bad. I am asking my bff if we can read the first few chapters before we get together. Do you have a spot you'd recommend to stop at? Somewhere around 1/4 of the book? Since we are going to have all of our kids (3 between the ages of 19 months and 3 years old) we will only be able to read at night or nap time if we are lucky.
I would recommend reading some of it ahead of time. I'm a super fast reader and can get through most books in a couple of hours, but I've been reading on this one for close to 5 hours now - there's just so much to absorb, and the nook version is 400 pages, the hardback being over 500 pages.As for a stopping point, that's really hard. This book doesn't really have an ebb and flow, it's just constant from one thing to the next (maybe because Rose is either in action, in Lissa's head observing her actions, or being visited in dreams).
Thanks Stacia. We'll just randomly pick a chapter to stop at (If I can get her to start it).
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My copy is waiting for me at the library. I have a feeling that I will grab it tonight after work. I won't be able to resist any more knowing it is there and waiting.
I checked my library, ha ha, there is a 363 day estimated wait! I will be buying this one!
Finished Last Sacrifice a few days ago but avoided posting until now. I had to let everything sink in. I gave the book 5 stars but i think that was more out of loyalty to the series then how much I enjoyed the book.
That being said I did really enjoy the book. It moved quickly and I didn't having a hard time wasting my day away in the book. I just was expecting more I guess. When I was finished I felt unsatisfied... like there was something more that should have been told.
I'm hoping this issue will be resolved in the spin-off series. I guess I will have to wait and find out.
Now my friend can't come up and she wants me to wait until sometime after the new year to read it! Arrrg, I don't know if I can wait. It kind of sucks because she was initially coming to help me since my husband and mom won't be here this saturday and I can't lift my youngest.
I have the last book waiting for me, but I just can't seem to pick it up. I just dont feel like reading it or even knowing what happens, even though I love the series...How weird is that? haha.
spoiler for spinoff (? dunno if this needs warning but just in case)
Excited about the spinoff though. I love that it takes place in a normal human highschool setting/from a 'human' perspective , but idk how i feel about sydney as lead. I think because in my mind she always came off as older like atleast 21 so her in a highschool setting is weird to me
spoiler for spinoff (? dunno if this needs warning but just in case)
Excited about the spinoff though. I love that it takes place in a normal human highschool setting/from a 'human' perspective , but idk how i feel about sydney as lead. I think because in my mind she always came off as older like atleast 21 so her in a highschool setting is weird to me
I hit my library yesterday. It is a snow day here, have almost a foot so far, and it is still snowing, so I will spend the day with this book.
I would say the spin off info needs a Spoiler Warning. I really didn't think Richelle was putting the info (except about Sydney) out there yet because it spoils things. I mean I already expected the outcome that it implies, but I really didn't want to know until I finished the book. :(
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It's ok. It seems such a small thing, but in my mind it gives away one of the biggest things I have been waiting to find out. I said to my friend when she asked me to wait for at least a month to read it that I would get spoiled someway. I tried so hard to stay away from spoilers, but little things like that are things that aren't really thought of as spoilers. ***SPOILERS for Buffy series finale***
It's like when the WB announced that Spike will be appearing on Angel in season 5. It ruined the finale of Buffy for any fan that went on the internet (which was most of us at the time).
I just finished Last Sacrifice, and have to say that it ended about the way that I thought. I had already figured out who the lost child and murderer was, but it was a fun ride.
I read Last Sacrifice yesterday and I am pretty happy with how things ended for almost everyone. I can't wait for the new spin-off series "Bloodlines" and I hope that this series will fix all of the loose ends that I have.
SPOILER...SPOILER...SPOILER...Last Sacrifice
I'm guessing the title comes from when she took the bullet meant for Lissa, had a near death experience, brought herself back to life- thereby breaking the bond with Lissa.
Her "Last Sacrifice" was her life.
Any thoughts?
Carrie (Care) wrote: "It's ok. It seems such a small thing, but in my mind it gives away one of the biggest things I have been waiting to find out. I said to my friend when she asked me to wait for at least a month to..."
Carrie- I love you refrence to Spike here!!
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She's in high school? Seriously? I always thought like 25ish.
noooooo I read the spoiler about how it ends :'( i didnt see the warning until after i read it. oooh no crud and it doesnt sound that good of an ending I still have a little bit to read in the book I was taking my time.
My gf and I are trying to get the guys to watch the kids next weekend so we can read it. Hopefully we can both get them to agree. It's hard because it's New Years weekend, but I offered to do mornings as long as my hubby does the rest. My gf and I would have to hide downstairs and pretend everybody else doesn't exist. *crosses fingers*
Um, yeah. Hiding out isn't working, lol. We try to stay away but the kids find us and won't leave us alone. We did get an hour or two when the guys took the kids to the farm, but then we had to wait for almost 10 before we got a few hrs reading in. We will never get to finish. :(
You poor thing. I know you've been waiting a while to get to it. Sounds like your reading buddy dates haven't been working well lately. Any chance you can talk your friend into just ditching and going for coffee instead? Then you can read the book whenever you want to. :)
Probably not. I really want to read it with her too or I wouldn't have waited. The problem is that we used to have no kids and when big books would come out (like Potter) and we would read it together uninterrupted. We did have kids when Breaking Dawn came out, but we were 2 hrs away from our kids and spouses so it was AWESOME. We had some drinks and read, went to the pool and read... I kind of had a rough weekend with the kids, I want to pull my hair out. So I decided next weekend I am taking off to her place. Her son will be with his dad (I keep telling my husband I want to get separated just so I can get every other weekend free, lol) and she lives a couple hrs away so nobody can bug me. We will finish the book then.
Dont feel to bad I havent finished the book either but thats because I dont want to hear about lissa and I dont want Roses story to be over. I have formed an attachment to her. Lmao
I finally got to finish LS last weekend. I did enjoy it, but it was lacking in action. ***SPOILERS***
So I had the wron person pegged. Kind of. I thought it was Adrian's mom, but then I thought maybe his dad was involved. Then sometime after the halfway point I said to my friend "what if it is Tasha or somebody we like?". we had that in the back of our minds and knew it was her when Rose talked to Ian. So sad.
I also guessed at the sibling. I couldn't even remember her name, lol. I just said I thought it was the one that worshipped them and loved Adrian. I probably should have done a re-read, but oh well.
I felt so bad for Adrian, but Rose was right. He needs to become a better person for himself, not somebody else. I am sure he will be a big part of the next series so that has me excited!
haha I just read all those spoilers Im glad it turns out well because I got over the half way hump and then put it down. I have a habit of doing that with Meads books after shadow kiss. Lissa annoys me and Rose keeps going into her mind so I keep putting it down.
Well. I'm certainly behind the times with this series. I just started the second one (yep. 2nd) this morning and I like it well enough. I really like Rose and Dmitri and Christian. Lissa on the other hand, can join my ever growing line of people waiting to take long walks off short cliffs. I really don't like the bond that the girls have, and I think that the one sidedness of it is what makes me dislike Lissa so much. Rose is constantly thinking of her and probably because the book is from Roses pov we never see Lissa thinking that much about Rose. Lissa just seemed so self centered to me. And hopefully it calms down as the series progresses but in book one I kept thinking...make them lovers all ready! I'd read a book about lesbian vampires. Their super special love for one another was bordering on the insanely creepy for me, but I think its because Mead kept trying to convince me that they weren't thinking of each other like *that* when they so clearly were! Make out already!
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i just dnt care for lissa nothing personal she just doesnt iterest me. if the book was from her pov i wouldnt love it.
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I just got tired of the "it's all for her/them" in regards to Lissa and the Moroi royal families.I seriously would have been thinking, "WHY is it all for a race of vampires that treat us Dhampir like second class citizens?"
Screw keeping the Moroi royal families from extinction. Who wants to be enslaved and forced into jobs of protection for people that could give a crap about you? That whole caste system made no sense to me.
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(Turning off the teacher mode now. Sorry, I can't seem to turn it off. I always have to play devil's advocate or just add extra facts. I think I have to unbrainwwash myself once I'm outside of a classroom.)
No, it's fine. I like discussions. There are always two sides to every situation.One of my favorite instances in all of the books though was when Dimitri finally said, "it's not always all about them." (paraphrasing that)
I remember the meeting or whatever it was that Rose went to in disguise with Adrian and the feeling that I had when she was "outed." The royalty literally looked down upon her for being there.
Yeah...I'd so not want to protect those elitist jerks.
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I just turned 20 a little while ago so maybe its just my look on the VA books I know some that are younger than me and they think Roses behavior in later books is okay when I personaly think its selfish and annoying.Still love love love the series.