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The challenge is to read a book originally published from as many fifty-year time periods as possible.
Cait wrote: "This may be a silly question...For the earliest category (1500-1550), can we read a book that takes place before 1500? I'm thinking about books like Inferno, [book:Beowulf: A New Ve..."
Just the 50-year time period...we'll find some way to work the really old ones in some other time.
Liz wrote: "For books published serially, which date should be used? Granted few of them will have been published over two time categories, but I think Cait & I have found an exception: Gargantua and Pantagrue..."As far as serials go, you should go by the year that saw the whole book published in its entirety.
Jane wrote: "Hi everyone!I just joined GoodReads a couple of weeks ago and signed up for this group yesterday. I am really excited to find it. I have been doing my research for the RtT time periods (lots ..."
Erasmus is fine.
This isn't really a question for RtT, but what is the decision on style points for YA books. Are you going to stick with the Lexile score or no style points for YA books?
Rachel Lee wrote: "This isn't really a question for RtT, but what is the decision on style points for YA books. Are you going to stick with the Lexile score or no style points for YA books?"Yes, and I have been meaning to add that text to the style points discussion...thanks for the reminder.
This question is not about RtT exclusively, but touches on it. Our current polls are about completion bonuses. X points for RtT
Y points for RWS
Z points for RtT PLUS RWS
So, are the "Z" points in addition to the other two completion bonuses? In other words, if we decide on 100 points for RtT and 100 points for RWS, would be be awarded those 200 points and then an additional bonus for completing both of them?
I've been digging around for what to read in the 15 and 1600's. I've always wanted to read some of Montaigne's essays which were first published in 1580. The problem is that my library only has the "complete" essays which runs to over 800 pages and is more than I want to tackle all at once. Would there be a way to read only a set number of pages? Or should I look for an edition of selected essays that's more manageable in length?Oh, and I also want to chime in and say thank you for organizing this challenge and coming up with such unique ideas for tasks! (Love the RtT idea) This is the first challenge I've done on Goodreads and I'm really enjoying it!
Christy wrote: "I've been digging around for what to read in the 15 and 1600's. I've always wanted to read some of Montaigne's essays which were first published in 1580. The problem is that my library only has t..."The SRC had/has a requirement for a book's page count to be at least 100...except for when they didn't have to be. :)
We haven't clarified that issue yet really, and I imagine we will have to eventually. For now, I've already approved a few pre-1700 works that will end up being under 100 pages. So, come up with a list of essays you want to read w/total page count, and we'll see if it will work.
Thanks Sam. I'm sure I can come up with enough essays to get me over 100 pages. I just didn't want to have to read all 800! :-)
In cases of translations, I assume you are going with the date of the publication of the original. Does this hold true for things like 1001 Arabian Nights, which covers a ton of editions Like Richard Francis Burton's which came out in 1885 (in 10 volumes).Right now this is purely hypothetical on my part--I have nothing chosen.
Hi, I'm new to the group, and excited to give RtT a go. I have one question, that I don't think was answered anywhere else in the post...can we read non-fiction books for the challenge, or only fiction ones?
Erin wrote: "Hi, I'm new to the group, and excited to give RtT a go. I have one question, that I don't think was answered anywhere else in the post...can we read non-fiction books for the challenge, or only fiction ones?"I believe non-fiction is allowed. The RtT guidelines state "The challenge is to read a book originally published from as many fifty-year time periods as possible."
Again, not really a question for RtT but on the style points for series. I know to get 10 points or more on this category, you have to use a book in the same series on another task. However, what if you use it for the same task, can you claim 5 points for each book? I am reading a couple of long series and most won't fit into a different task so I wasn't sure how this would work.
I'm having a "blond" moment...According to this rule, we cannot claim ANY style points, including canon and translation?
2) You cannot claim regular style points for any book you read for Reading through Time (nor do the Reading through Time categories count as Combo style points for regular Reading with Style tasks).
Erin wrote: "I'm having a "blond" moment...According to this rule, we cannot claim ANY style points, including canon and translation?
2) You cannot claim regular style points for any book you read for Readin..."
No style points for the 15 point Reading Through Time tasks.
Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Erin wrote: "I'm having a "blond" moment...According to this rule, we cannot claim ANY style points, including canon and translation?
2) You cannot claim regular style points for any book you read for Readin..."
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No style points for the 15 point Reading Through Time tasks. ..."
No Style points for the RtT books, but you do get the 10 point bonus per book after X number of books (based on your self-selection as a 'Constant Traveler' or a 'Time Leaper'.) AND you'll get the completion bonus if you get all 10 books in the series read.
Hi Sam: I'm double checking to make sure my interpretation of the new 'Series' style category is correct.
Series Style point category explanation states:
"2. Series (5 points): Read a book to complete a task that is part of a series and receive 5 points. Read a book from that same series to complete another task and receive 10 points...and so on. " (I added the emphasis)
To me this means that you can't claim Series style points when books in a series are read for the same task. Multiple finishes of the same task with a series of books will only earn Series style points for the first book read for the task. Is that correct?
Krista wrote: "I'm double checking to make sure my interpretation of the new 'Series' style category is correct. Series Style point category explanation states:
"2. Series (5 points): Read a book to complete a task that is part of a series and receive 5 points. Read a book from that same series to complete another task and receive 10 points...and so on. " (I added the emphasis)
To me this means that you can't claim Series style points when books in a series are read for the same task. Multiple finishes of the same task with a series of books will only earn Series style points for the first book read for the task. Is that correct?..."
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Sam and I talked about this an the above interpetation of this Style category is correct. In order to claim Series Style points for multiple books in a series, those books have to be read for different tasks.
In Msg 67 Rachel Lee wrote: "Again, not really a question for RtT but on the style points for series. I know to get 10 points or more on this category, you have to use a book in the same series on another task. However, what if you use it for the same task, can you claim 5 points for each book? I am reading a couple of long series and most won't fit into a different task so I wasn't sure how this would work...."Hi Rachel Lee: Only the first book in the series that was read for any single task will earn 5 Series style points.
For example if the Hunger Games series qualified for Task 10.1, and the reader claimed points for all three books using Task 10.1 --- only the first book in the series could earn Series points.
10.1 - The Hunger Games (Book 1) = 5 Series combo points
10.1 - Catching Fire (Book 2) = 0 Series points
10.1 - Mockingjay (Book 3) = 0 Series points
Let me know if you have any other questions about this new Style category. It took me awhile to get it straight in my head.
Melissa - just make your reading list and start on Wednesday. When you post your first book, you'll be part of it. This is so fun - welcome!
Oh ok. So there isn't anything formal to post on?
Not sure what you mean. Krista has opened the Completed Tasks thread, so you can report your reading.
Yep, the Completed Tasks thread has now been updated. I've included a few samples of the formatting that I'd really like to have everyone use when they post points. Remember this challenge doesn't start until Wednesday, September 1st.
All books posted for this challenge should be read between September 1st, and November 30th.
Just as an FYI, I've recently added a new folder titled, "General Challenge Questions and Answers" to the "Reading with Style (Fall 2010)" topic. This can be used for general questions about the challenges, how Style points are earned, etc.That way we can keep this Questions & Answers folder more closely focused on just RtT questions. It's not a big deal if we get some cross-pollination between the two folders. I wanted to try to help ensure that general questions don't languish in this folder.
Melissa W wrote: "Are plays okay?"For the 15-point tasks that comprise Reading through Time, works under 100 pages should be submitted for approval. The "Reading Suggestions" topic does have questions and answers for specific works. Marlowe's Faust has been approved & it appears that many participants are using Shakespeare as well.
For the RwS tasks (the 20-point & 10-point tasks), works must be at least 100-pages. In a previous challenge with a task that required reading plays, the moderators preferred that the page count for plays be determined by the text alone as page counts can vary widely depending on the edition/supplemental material.(Twelfth Night is 80 pages in the Dover edition and 286 pages in the Arden edition).
As always, Krista & Sam have the final say.
Liz wrote: "Melissa W wrote: "Are plays okay?"For the 15-point tasks that comprise Reading through Time, works under 100 pages should be submitted for approval. The "Reading Suggestions" topic does have que..."
That's only if you skip the supplemental material though, right? Do you get to count it if you read it? I wasn't there so I don't know.
Edit- Never mind, my question doesn't make sense now that I've realized where I'm posting.
can we count books such as The Prince and Candide for translation points?
Melissa W wrote: "can we count books such as The Prince and Candide for translation points?"Hi Melissa.
From the rules for Reading through Time:
"2) You cannot claim regular style points for any book you read for Reading through Time (nor do the Reading through Time categories count as Combo style points for regular Reading with Style tasks)."
Does every bool read (besides those claimed for reading through time) earn some sort of jumbo style points? The way im reading it looks like books up to 500 pages earns 5 extra style points - am i reading it wrong?
Liz wrote: "Does every bool read (besides those claimed for reading through time) earn some sort of jumbo style points? The way im reading it looks like books up to 500 pages earns 5 extra style points - am..."Hi Liz: Minimum book length for Jumbo points is 500 pages. Books 500 pages or more earn 5 style points. From there the Jumbo style points go up based on the length of the book.
Jennifer wrote: "Melissa W wrote: "can we count books such as The Prince and Candide for translation points?"Hi Melissa.
From the rules for Reading through Time:
"2) You cannot claim regular style points for any..."
Hi Melissa: Jennifer is correct. If you are using these books for RtT tasks then they won't get Lost in Translation (LiT) Style points.
However, if you're reading them for the RwS Tasks (10 and 20 point tasks) then they will qualify for LiT points.
I am contemplating reading The Boke of Duke Huon of Burdeux for 15.10 if I can count the publication date of its English translation by Lord Berners(1534). It is of a translation of a 1513 French edition, but the story has been around for much longer.If this will work, I'm set to be a Constant Traveler.
I read a book I was planning to use for a TWS task but found out it doesn't qualify. I thought I'd use it for RTT but since it is 1851-1900 category, it would force me to be a Time Leaper. Can I wait to post it after I've read books in sequence that lead up to it?
Rebekah wrote: "I read a book I was planning to use for a TWS task but found out it doesn't qualify. I thought I'd use it for RTT but since it is 1851-1900 category, it would force me to be a Time Leaper. Can I wa..."Hi Rebekah: If you're going to claim this book for RtT then you would be qualified as a 'Time Leaper' since the book is from the middle of the time series.
I believe that part of Sam's intent with the RtT challenge was that as a 'Constant Traveler' you'd see the progression of the development of different literature style by reading the time periods in order.
If you held back reporting that you read the book until the previous eras in the series had also been that would be defeating one of the aims of being a 'Constant Traveler', and it isn't the way the game is structured.
Thanks! -Krista
Donna Jo wrote: "I am contemplating reading The Boke of Duke Huon of Burdeux for 15.10 if I can count the publication date of its English translation by Lord Berners(1534). It is of a translation of a 1513 French ..."Hi Donna Jo (and the rest of the group): Unless I'm totally sure about a specific book (and I'm not about this one) then I'm going to let Sam make all the individual book decisions. Thanks! -Krista
Donna Jo wrote: "I am contemplating reading The Boke of Duke Huon of Burdeux for 15.10 if I can count the publication date of its English translation by Lord Berners(1534). It is of a translation of a 1513 French ..."That's fine.
Ok. I really had wanted to read in order from the earliest to the most modern anyway for the very reason you said. I'll try to find it a home in RwS. But if not, I still got to read a classic I've been wanting to read for a while. It was a group read for another group so reading other people's ideas about it was profitable, so it wasn't "all in vain". I was just trying to fit it somewhere once I learned I had made a silly mistake by thinking it was one of the banned books.
Rebekah wrote: "Ok. I really had wanted to read in order from the earliest to the most modern anyway for the very reason you said. I'll try to find it a home in RwS. But if not, I still got to read a classic I've ..."Are you talking about Madame Bovary? If so, it's on the Flashlight Worthy list "John Irving's 10 Favorite Books."
I am not sure if I want to be a constant traveler or a time leaper. I want to get the extra points for reading in sequence but I don't have all my books figured out. I am having trouble finding books published in the years before 1800.
Jayme(the ghost reader) wrote: "I am not sure if I want to be a constant traveler or a time leaper. I want to get the extra points for reading in sequence but I don't have all my books figured out. I am having trouble finding boo..."You could start with 15.1 and work backwards. With 2.5 months left in the challenge & the ability to intersperse 20 & 10 point tasks in between the 15 pointers maybe that would buy you enough time to figure out the rest.
I was planning on working backwards. I have books for the 1900-1950 slot, 1801-1850, 1701-1750, and 1501-1550
that helps I have the whole collection.
I like the list, Elizabeth! Thanks for sharing!
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