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Clockwork Angel: Mortal Instruments Character Clone?

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message 1: by Jen (new)

Jen | 148 comments Don't get me wrong I absolutely love TMI. I just reserved CoB at the library so I can read them again. When I find out about CA I was thrilled, but now I'm concerned.
I get that all authors follow a formula. Stephen King will always write horror and Jodi Picoult will always write about family relationships with a cheap twist at the end (My Sister's Keeper being an exception, IMO). So to say that Clare's book is an exact copy of the CoB is wrong. It's a new world, new storylines, etc.
But it seems to me that Clare has not changed the characters at all. That makes me nervous. Will is Jace. I read in an interview that they're ancestors, but they're exactly the same. Tessa is Clary (except a Downworlder), pretty girl who doesn't know about SH until she reaches age 16. They will CLEARLY fall in love and there will clearly be a love triangle (or trapezoid) between them and I'm guessing Jem (who, it is fair to guess, is Simon). I know the world is different and I'm excited about reading a period piece with the costumes and all that. But I believe that they will come off as "cheap knock offs" of characters we know and love.
What's the good thing about this? I always crave to experience the "reading a favorite book for the first time" feeling again and maybe I'll get that from CA.
Please don't take this as a bashing of Clare or the new series. I'm looking forward to reading it regardless.


message 2: by [deleted user] (new)

I agree that the book series are alike, but strangely, i'm happy that she is doing it like that because i loved the mortal instruments series
:)


message 3: by Delia (new)

Delia (unfogettablelex) I have no Idea I never read the clock one yet lol ><


message 4: by Daylighter (new)

Daylighter (pantea13) sorry to say but Jem is NOTHING like Simon, i don't know what you've read about the new series, but from the excerpts i read it was clear that they're different. Even Will is different in some ways. i don't know about Tessa though. and most importantly the love triangle is different. Simon & Jace hated each other, while Jem is the only person that Will actually has respect for. So two best friends are in love with one girl, not two guys who hate each other and one of them is also the girl's best friend while the other is her "brother".


message 5: by Jen (new)

Jen | 148 comments Daylighter wrote: "sorry to say but Jem is NOTHING like Simon, i don't know what you've read about the new series, but from the excerpts i read it was clear that they're different. Even Will is different in some ways..."

Well, I haven't read much about Jem so that was just an assumption. Thanks for clearing it up though. As for Will, he really doesn't sound any different at all to me. Like I said before I know the plot is different so the fact that their best friends is no news to me. I guess in my opinion Will and Tessa seem exactly like Jace and Clary. I haven't read much on Tessa so she could be very different but Will to me seems EXACTLY like Jace.


message 6: by Daylighter (last edited May 29, 2010 04:08PM) (new)

Daylighter (pantea13) i've only read the excerpts so it's not like i can assume much, but from what i read Jem seems different. the reason i say Will is somewhat different is the way he treats the whole shadowhunter traditions and stuff and how he doesn't care much for it, where Jace was really into it. he wasn't brought up as a shadowhunter like Jace was.
however i see where ur coming from, and i guess we can just hope and wait to see if it's different from the MI series.


message 7: by Delia (new)

Delia (unfogettablelex) does anyone know where the folder for who you think should play in the movie is---I'm blind...


message 8: by Jen (new)

Jen | 148 comments Daylighter wrote: "i've only read the excerpts so it's not like i can assume much, but from what i read Jem seems different. the reason i say Will is somewhat different is the way he treats the whole shadowhunter tra..."

I guess if Will isn't into the Shadowhunter thing like Jace was that does make im different. Whatever the case I agree. We'll just have to wait and see.


message 9: by Carly (new)

Carly | 348 comments I totataly agree with you on that


message 10: by [deleted user] (new)

*Care* wrote: "does anyone know where the folder for who you think should play in the movie is---I'm blind..."

http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/3...
wait, do you mean this? :)


message 11: by Daylighter (new)

Daylighter (pantea13) someone wrote a review on CA, if ur interested here's where u can read it:

http://www.gravityreviews.com/2010/05...


message 12: by Delia (new)

Delia (unfogettablelex) no I found it its the your Own imaginary cast lol I just couldnt find it but someone posted on there so I was in buisness


message 13: by [deleted user] (new)

Yay :) i can't wait till the book actually comes out!


message 14: by Jen (new)

Jen | 148 comments Daylighter wrote: "someone wrote a review on CA, if ur interested here's where u can read it:

http://www.gravityreviews.com/2010/05..."


Thanks! That just got me really excited.


message 15: by Daylighter (new)

Daylighter (pantea13) no problem :)


message 16: by Delia (new)

Delia (unfogettablelex) nice ><


message 17: by [deleted user] (new)

I wish i could get a ARC :/


message 18: by Delia (new)

Delia (unfogettablelex) ARC?? I need to be explained these things again I need to re read these books yeesh -.-


message 19: by [deleted user] (new)

advance reader copy...haha :)


message 20: by Carly (new)

Carly | 348 comments luckyyyyyyyyyyy


message 21: by Delia (new)

Delia (unfogettablelex) I want one too actually


message 22: by [deleted user] (new)

Meh, i went to this book convention thing when i was like 8 (the time i didn't discover my love for reading) and people were giving out free ARC books and i hate myself for not taking any...Bleh.. :(


message 23: by Amelle (new)

Amelle Kyre (the_shadowhunter) | 946 comments wow regrets regrets


message 24: by Delia (new)

Delia (unfogettablelex) yea agreed regrets regrets


message 25: by Jen (new)

Jen | 148 comments how do you get an ARC?


message 26: by Amelle (new)

Amelle Kyre (the_shadowhunter) | 946 comments contest and stuff


message 27: by [deleted user] (new)

sometimes you can contact the publisher and get free copies :)


message 28: by Ciara (new)

Ciara | 86 comments I want an ARC


message 29: by ஐAndreaஐ (new)

ஐAndreaஐ (rosesrrblue) | 83 comments me too!!!


message 30: by Carly (new)

Carly | 348 comments ME THREE


message 31: by Jen (new)

Jen | 148 comments ♥Jacqueline♥ wrote: "sometimes you can contact the publisher and get free copies :)"

Cool!


message 32: by Amelle (new)

Amelle Kyre (the_shadowhunter) | 946 comments dosen't everyone?


message 33: by Mint (new)

Mint | 3 comments Evelyn wrote: "dosen't everyone?"

not me!....JK!!!!!! I WANT ONE VERY MUCH :D


message 34: by Ciara (new)

Ciara | 86 comments I wish I knew people that could get it for me.


message 35: by Carly (new)

Carly | 348 comments My aunt got an ARC of catching fire and i was sooo jealous


message 36: by Tia (new)

Tia (booknerd1008) | 45 comments Whats in an ARC ? Like whats it do ?


message 37: by Daylighter (new)

Daylighter (pantea13) Carly wrote: "My aunt got an ARC of catching fire and i was sooo jealous"

do they have arcs for mockingjay?!!

Tia ARC is Advanced Reading Copy :)


message 38: by Tee Jay (new)

Tee Jay (ElysianShadow) | 8 comments I'll reserve my comments until I've read CA. But based on excerpts, the similarity of the characters from MI, and ID are very minute. Cassie just tweeted that where Clary is impractical, Tessa is practical.


message 39: by Jen (new)

Jen | 148 comments Tee Jay wrote: "I'll reserve my comments until I've read CA. But based on excerpts, the similarity of the characters from MI, and ID are very minute. Cassie just tweeted that where Clary is impractical, Tessa is p..."
Good point. I'm thinking more about Will and Jace now. I've also read so Tessa/Clary differences recently I'm not as focused on those two.


message 40: by Amelle (new)

Amelle Kyre (the_shadowhunter) | 946 comments Jace and will i think are very similar

read the Clockwork Angel qoutes

dosent he sound like Jace i tghink we know where he gets it from

Link to Infernal Devices Fan Group http://www.goodreads.com/group/show/2...

if you want to join the group as well thats wonderful too :]


message 41: by iPetim (new)

iPetim | 87 comments i gotta be honest i liked TMI more. and Jace is better than Will although they seem very alike. but true, Tessa is more practical and witty than Clary.

but still, with the similarities and all, im still gonna read the series. :)


message 42: by Maddy (new)

Maddy (maddytaylor) | 5 comments Personally I think Will is way more horrible than Jace. I love Jace but really don't like Will. I agree that a lot of it is similar, but I think Tessa is pretty different, more of a wimp, more naive because she cant see that Jem likes her etc. But i still liked her character because not everyone is strong and secure, and it fits the period.....sorry i'm drivelling.

But that's my opinion!


message 43: by iPetim (new)

iPetim | 87 comments Maddy wrote: "Personally I think Will is way more horrible than Jace. I love Jace but really don't like Will. I agree that a lot of it is similar, but I think Tessa is pretty different, more of a wimp, more naiv..."

same here! i love Jace but Will is so his worst version. he's actually irritating.


message 44: by Maddy (new)

Maddy (maddytaylor) | 5 comments Yeah, WIll is so pompus and intentionally scornful. I like Jem more x


message 45: by Kiowe (new)

Kiowe lee | 13 comments poor Will, maybe the 2 up coming books will change your mind.


message 46: by Jen (new)

Jen | 148 comments Maddy wrote: "Personally I think Will is way more horrible than Jace. I love Jace but really don't like Will. I agree that a lot of it is similar, but I think Tessa is pretty different, more of a wimp, more naiv..."

Well, I wrote this topic before the book came out but I dfeinitely should've trusted Cassie and given it a fair chance because I'm happy to say Will is actually nothing like Jace. He's more closed off and just plain nastier.

Personally, I like Will a lot. I don't think he's a "bad version" of Jace. In fact I think it'd be worse if he was too much like Jace (sure they have things in common but you get it). I'd like him even less because nothing's better than the original!


message 47: by Carly (new)

Carly | 348 comments Jen I totally agree with you. Will is everything I hate about Jace and nothing I love.


message 48: by Jen (new)

Jen | 148 comments Carly wrote: "Jen I totally agree with you. Will is everything I hate about Jace and nothing I love."
No! I don't hate Will at all. I just like Jace better because I think he's a softer, more caring character and Will is much, much darker. I'm glad he's different though. If he was exactly like Jace, I'd hate him.


message 49: by Carly (new)

Carly | 348 comments Jen wrote: "Carly wrote: "Jen I totally agree with you. Will is everything I hate about Jace and nothing I love."
No! I don't hate Will at all. I just like Jace better because I think he's a softer, more carin..."


I can see why you would hate him if he was exactly like Jace but he is such a jerk


message 50: by [deleted user] (last edited Oct 05, 2010 05:08PM) (new)

yeah. will is almost nothing like jace!!! jace is waaaay sweeter and is more comfortable saying what he feels. will just keeps it all locked up in that mind of his. . .
but i like tessa better than clary. tessa sounds smarter than clary to me. since obviously she loves to read and has learned a lot more than clary. i like her quick thinking moments especially when she talks back at will. and who could forget the end with mortmain??
jem. not simon. i never liked simon. but jem, i LOVE. i don't think they are to be compared. simon is not like jem at all. simon's the nerdy best friend!! but still nice.
plus this book has something i love that TMI doesn't have. a BROMANCE!!! Jem and Will are just so cute when they're with each other!!!
Sorry this post was so loooong. i'm sure ur bored so i'll stop.


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