Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone
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Does anyone else besides me hate Harry Potter?
I would hope you could express yourself better since that was one of the dumber things I've read on this thread.
Amy wrote: "LAWL. Nerds. What if JK Rowling saw this and looked at everyone hating on her book? What if someone came up to you and told you they hated you, thought you were ugly, or hated your freaking persona..."agreed
Amy wrote: "LAWL. Nerds. What if JK Rowling saw this and looked at everyone hating on her book? What if someone came up to you and told you they hated you, thought you were ugly, or hated your freaking persona..."I don't think JK Rowling would give two shits about people hating her books. She's making money off the movies and stories. If I was her, I wouldn't care one bit about the people hating. Only give credit to the ones who enjoyed it
And if someone came up to me and said those things (already have) and like usual I'd just shrug it off...I don't let life bring me down like that.
Nolan wrote: "Amy wrote: "An example of how silly I sound? How about get a life bro."That's example #2."
How about shut the fuck up.
Can't abide Harry Potter. It's gallingly derivative. I read the first half of the first book when it came out, and caught myself counting the references. She needs to apologise to Charles Dickens, Douglas Adams, Roald Dahl, and Ursula K. LeGuin.It is extremely poorly written. I'm not against formula writing, but there are ways to do it so that each story is interesting. Rowling rehashes the same elements in every book. She commits the unpardonable sin of being boring.
Harry Potter is essentially Tom Brown's School Days with magic in. As such, it glorifies the Rule Britannia master race attitude, and I think the world's had quite enough of that.
The author's claim not to have known about the Nazi obsession with "pure blood" as their rationale for mass murder is disingenuous, but let's say she really did not know. Her entire take on the wizards' war as WWII was simplistic and bizarre. WWII was won not just by the Allied troops, but by the common people, e.g. the Polish Underground. This could have been reflected by showing courageous Muggles who know about the wizards -- parents of children like Hermione, for instance -- doing their part against the forces of evil, doing things the magic people could not do for one reason or another. Instead, the Muggles were presumed to be helpless pawns incapable of defending themselves. Hermione's parents (nonentities throughout the series) get tucked safely away on vacation and know nothing about what their daughter is going through.
This writer is more articulate than I am about the elitism in the Potter books and why it sets a bad example.
I trust this answers your question.
A. Temple
Will wrote: "Just an fyi, lots and lots of authors use references to their influences in their works."Certainly! Some of the greatest works of fiction are extremely derivative. Most of the good ones, however, manage to do something with it -- re-invent it, or re-decorate it, make it unique and new somehow, put a different spin on it. Rowling merely re-hashes.
Amy wrote: "Nolan wrote: "Amy wrote: "An example of how silly I sound? How about get a life bro."That's example #2."
How about shut the fuck up."
Well that was unnecessary.
Nolan wrote: "Well I never heard about another book that's about a wizard school but I bet there's one out there."A wizards' school is mentioned and you meet one of the teachers in Robert Sheckley's 1954 short story "The Accountant", about a little boy who doesn't want to be a wizard. There is a witches' school in Eleanor Estes' The Witch Family (1960). A Durmstrang-like institute appears in the 1964 Ardaky Strugatsky novel ''Monday Begins on Saturday'', if you can find an English translation. Probably the most famous book about a wizards' school before Harry is A Wizard of Earthsea (1968). Another very popular series, The Worst Witch, began in 1974. It's very whimsical and down-to-earth. The author based the witches' school in this book on her experiences in an Ursuline convent school.
In a way Bri has a point. I would understand if the child was under the age of let's say 16. After 16, you should be allowed to make your own decisions on what to read, not your parents. To me after that age, that's a little controlling, and parents need to let that child explore, and try different stuff, not keep them under a wing that will be broken later on in life. A parent can not keep their child hidden forever from "evil", and must learn to let their child experience stuff before they are shocked after they leave the house. That's my idea, may not be for some people, but it's just how I was taught.
I agree Anne. The language is too large for us to resort to superlatives. Especially seeing that we are a community of readers.
I think that it is great that some parents still care enough to guide us with rules. Sure we will break them, that is what becoming an adult is all about. I still think that there are many things that can be avoided. Once a thought or image goes in, it stays forever. There is a fine line between guiding and controlling, but I will always applaud the effort to try to set guidelines.
Yes, Natalie, there is a point when we have to let go. And no, I'm no angel, I was hiding albums that my mother would have disapproved of me having. Still, it was nice to know she cared.
I'm not saying it's bad to care...it's just that there's a point in which yes a parent needs to let go and realize that their child needs to make their own decisions. My dad doesn't understand that I'm almost 20, and he tries to force me into things. That has broken trust, and has caused an issue in which I don't even wanna talk to him. Harry Potter isn't a bad influence. It is actually the book series that actually started me on serious reading.
Andrea wrote: "holy poo, there are allot of comments!!!! who posted this discussion anyway?"Idk, but it has so many comments because anybody who loves Harry Potter feels the need to comment and defend, and those who don't feel the need to comment and agree, saying they've finally found someone like them.
Catrina wrote: "Andrea wrote: "holy poo, there are allot of comments!!!! who posted this discussion anyway?"Idk, but it has so many comments because anybody who loves Harry Potter feels the need to comment and d..." true.....do you like harry potter?
Natalie wrote: "I'm not saying it's bad to care...it's just that there's a point in which yes a parent needs to let go and realize that their child needs to make their own decisions. My dad doesn't understand that..."I know that you were not saying that. I like your post. I truly hope that the trust can be rebuilt. It is all part of the process. Try to focus on what you two agree upon. Keep reading! By the way, it was Jim Morrison, of all people that started me reading.
I have my own 'Fantastic Beasts and where to find them'
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Anne wrote:I wrote...What you said about her mom, was inconsiderate and just proves that you are a mindless fool that will someday take advice for granted and then bad things will come to you. If you think that parents that are trying to protect our children is what is making are country fail, then you need to open your eyes and grow up yourself. They are helping us at the least. People have reasons for not letting people read books. Come on now. How shallow can you get? ""First of all Bri has a point, and if you think he/she is inconsiderate and mindless for thinking people should make their own decisions then you need to open your eyes and grow up. And second: I know it's other people's opinion but I think it's not fair to keep your child away from HP or PJO books or anything that goes against your religion. Do kids that read this believe it? NO! (maybe one kid does but not that many) Do they think it's all fantasy? YES! Is it likely that after reading a Harry Potter book you will find him/her waving a fake wand and trying to do a spell thinking that wizardry is possible? NO! And lastly I respect curfews and rules like that, but I don't think you should keep them away from any books, video games, or music. I mean I'm ten and my parents let me listen to Eminem. But do I worship him? Of course not. Do I want to be just like him when I grow up? No in fact I want to be the opposite. I want to be a fantasy writer. And if my life get's messed up, don't blame my parents for not giving me rules about books, blame me for my decisions.
Nolan wrote: "Anne wrote:I wrote...What you said about her mom, was inconsiderate and just proves that you are a mindless fool that will someday take advice for granted and then bad things will come to you. If y..."I told myself I wouldn't contribute to this entirely pointless discussion that keeps dragging on and on, but I have to say that you're crazy well-spoken and thoughtful considering your age--and the fact that a lot of people two, three, and four times your age can't spell or form a coherent thought =)
Such vicous hatred of a work of fiction seems like a waste of effort. I would be interested to read why the person who created this topic hates the Harry Potter books so much. Did they stop at Sorcerer's Stone and not read the later, more well-developed and complex books in the series? Or are they are part of that group of people who think being contrarian and hating whatever is popular makes them intellectually superior?
Anne wrote: "Nolan wrote: "Anne wrote:I wrote...What you said about her mom, was inconsiderate and just proves that you are a mindless fool that will someday take advice for granted and then bad things will com..."Okay I admit if every kid got what they want, the world would somehow be worse than it it now.
yes...it would...but lets drop the subject because we are all acting stupid and i feel bad for what i said...it was harsh...i was in a really bad mood
Anne wrote: "yes...it would...but lets drop the subject because we are all acting stupid and i feel bad for what i said...it was harsh...i was in a really bad mood...then i guess i was just defending myself"
The last movie....awwwww I was at work so I couldn't go and get it. :( I would've snatched it from Walmart, but they made me stay an extra 3 hours at work...
Anne wrote: "Natalie, why is your profile someone flippin the bird? just a question"B/c...I just felt like having that picture. XD And he's one of my best friends...so I put him on there instead of me.
Natalie wrote: "Anne wrote: "Natalie, why is your profile someone flippin the bird? just a question"B/c...I just felt like having that picture. XD And he's one of my best friends...so I put him on there instead ..."
XD
Kris wrote: "let us just all agree that harry potter sucks*gasp* talk to the hand...i never wanna talk to you
Hi, I don't "hate" Harry Potter, but it isn't my style of reading. I read the first two books and never found a real need to find out more. That being said, it isn't my type of book. I prefer realistic fiction. I am not a vampire/sorcery/magic type of reader. If I were, I bet they would be good books.
Kayla wrote: "The stupid book has no point at all! Only complete idiots would read Harry Potter!"Do you mean J.K Rowling became a billionaire because Idiots decided to read her books?
Advice : Reread it and look deeper, you'll learn about love. And courage to do right even if it hurts.
Kimberly wrote: "I don't like the harry potter series. I read the first and didn't like the style or any of it. It gets kind of old. This kid goes to wizard school and defeats things that come back! WOW!! So intere..."Isn't that what happens in every happily ever after?
the good defeats evil and the world is safe.
and the series grows with the reader.I read the first book at the age of 10. the writing was right for me at that time. As i grew the maturity in writing also increased. Do you think 10 year olds read the latter versions with kissing, making out and all the teen angst?
Anne wrote: "who ever hates harry potter must not care books about love and details. no one could ever jam pack so much good literature in a series as JK Rowling did. She thought kids about reading and the impo..."agreed
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Couldn't have said it better myself.