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Who do you think the beast really is?
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True Love Forever
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Oct 26, 2010 08:01PM
Teri - more thoughts on what Mac is...Another thought I had about Mac was that she is the concubine and the UK daughter. Her mother could have fallen in love with him and trusted him, become his concubine. I think she guarded the book and was incharge of the other she-seers. (I have to write it the way it sound, sorry.) I think she lost the book because of her trust in him ( THis is why Rowena doen't like Mac I think). And Alina and Mac might be the children from that relationship or when Mac was being made priya the fourth person gave her something to drink and I think made her not human and maybe immortal. V'Lane sees her after she is made un-pryi with Barrona and calls her princess and says no one woul dmistake her for being human.
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I've always thought Mac was related to teh UK and the concubine.
Sammy wrote: "I re-read thru dreamfever today. Mac says the beast is definitly male. I just have a feeling it's Barrons. He's the only male that I think she would be so upset about. During the last section she i..."
Unless it's something that's completely twisting her world. Say, if it would be LM for example - or someone she's put on the evil side already.
I've also been speculating about it being Barrons though, but I keep coming back to the fact that he was above the basement when she heard the beast at one point. Although if they're all beast, it could have been someone else down there at the moment. Hmm. I don't know! I like all of your theories! That killing the beast would make him human for example. But if it really is Barrons, I don't think he's really dead either. Or at least, I can't make myself think that, haha. I do know I never really trusted Ryodan though!
Unless it's something that's completely twisting her world. Say, if it would be LM for example - or someone she's put on the evil side already.
I've also been speculating about it being Barrons though, but I keep coming back to the fact that he was above the basement when she heard the beast at one point. Although if they're all beast, it could have been someone else down there at the moment. Hmm. I don't know! I like all of your theories! That killing the beast would make him human for example. But if it really is Barrons, I don't think he's really dead either. Or at least, I can't make myself think that, haha. I do know I never really trusted Ryodan though!
What if all 8 turn into beasts. OR have a beast ina basement somewhere. So at first at thought Ryodan was checking the back of her neck for Darroc's mark. I just don't get how Barrons could not have know that mark was there. That is the only part that doesn't make sense. Ryodan does say he was the only one to make it through teh silvers before it somehow closes up. Because all of the 8 were supposed to be there to help Mac and barrons. but Ryodan has to know what the beast is and still tries to kill. Darroc and Fio seem to know about Barrons. Remeber Barrons throws a knife into Fio's heart to shut her up so Mac won't know. Ryodan seems loyal to Barrons, but at teh same time he has argued with him on the phone over Mac. I have liked the conversations between Ryodan and Mac. The only thing that makes me doubt Ryodan or that is was actually Ryodan at tehend is that he tries to kill the beast. Either he knows it's him or the beast or he doesn't care because he has his own agenda or he isn't Ryodan. If the person who turns into the beast upsets Mac so much, it must be someone very important.I think it is Christian or Barrons. i don't think he/it is neccasarily dead.
Well .. I begin to suspect that is the same Barron's because the teaser that KKM has launchedMac appears very lonely in the book and on the Barron's, I feel that he will appear at the very end .. I
I think ...
sorry my English is bad omg
Lady Vale wrote: "For me that scene was even better that to hear them tell I love you to each other which would have been cheesy next to all the passion they show to each other."I love you so? The scene speaks for itself! omgggggggg
True Love Forever wrote: "What if all 8 turn into beasts. OR have a beast ina basement somewhere. So at first at thought Ryodan was checking the back of her neck for Darroc's mark. I just don't get how Barrons could not hav..."I think the beast is somehow related to all 8, for sure. There probably is more than one.
Ok...even if the Beast is Barrons (which is the way I'm leaning even if I'm not happy with it) I seriously don't think he's really dead. I'm with some of the others that think he will be absent from the first part of the book because Mac believes he is dead. I really think he is immortal - not sure how just yet though. The comments he's made about some things not dying:“Don’t celebrate yet, Ms. Lane. Don’t believe anything is dead until you’ve burned it, poked around in its ashes, and then waited a day or two to see if anything rises from them.”
“Some things, Ms. Lane,” he said, beginning the second coat of my manicure, “are impossible to kill. However, I’m not certain Malluce was one of them. It remains to be seen.”
Granted he was talking about whether Malluce was dead in that last quote but I believe it probably applies to himself too.
Then again, here is another theory. What if the world she is in is actually The Dreaming?? We know she dreamed of most of this before.
"I dream of cold places and fortresses of black ice. I dream of a white mansion. I dream of mirrors that are doorways to dreams and gateways to hell. I dream animals that cannot exist. I dream of things I cannot name. I weep in my dreams. Powerful arms band me. I shudder in them. I feel like I’m dying."
**mirrors that are doorways to dreams and gateways to hell. I dream animals that cannot exist. (sound familiar??)**
Plus, there's this quote from Barrons when he was explaining to Mac about the Hall of All Days:
"The Hall of All Days collided with the concubine’s realm, with parts of Faery, and some of it even crashed into the Dreaming.
It doesn’t belong to the Fae.
The Dreaming is far older and belongs to no one. It’s where all hopes, fantasies, illusions, and nightmares of sentient beings come to be or go to rest, whichever you prefer to believe."
I'm not sure how The Dreaming works so I don't know if anything that happens in there is real or not? Did her book "Into the Dreaming" give any insight to this? I haven't read it.
Sammy wrote: "If you have the bloodrush cd, there's a deleted scene in which Mac admits she wants him and he is also obsessing about her. Now they don't admit love in that scene but they are definitly under each..."Really? omg
need to see it!
Lady Vale wrote: "And I wouldn't want him to. One of the things I like about Barrons is he's way of behaving and thinking. I love it that he's all serious and hard to know. I love it that he's all grumpy most of the..."exactly, barron's is wonderful precisely because it does not fit the traditional..
Émeraude wrote: "Sammy wrote: "If you have the bloodrush cd, there's a deleted scene in which Mac admits she wants him and he is also obsessing about her. Now they don't admit love in that scene but they are defini..."Can you post the words to it here?
So I think that same scene is actually on KMM's website...http://www.karenmoning.com/kmm/dreamf...
Let me know if it's different though, cause I definitely want to read the other one too if it is.
I don't know how real this scene is though since it's a deleted one, I'm not sure if they actually feel this way. I think Mac does, she just hasn't admitted it to herself, but I have no idea what Barrons is actually feeling. (But I really hope he's obsessed with her too!)
I don't think she would have included it with the cd unless it is true to the story. I always feel like Barrons and Mac are on the verge of showing some of there true feelings and then they back off.
What if Barrons was turned Priya one time too? And then recovered somehow and drank from the flask.
I officially make my prediction that Barrons is the beast, as are his friends, and he's not dead. I'm with the lot of you that say the beast is definately male and the only male that would turn Macs world upside down if dead, at this point is Barrons. I also don't think it was really Ryodan at the end. I think it was someone in disguise (most likely LM). I really hope I'm wrong on some counts though, hoping Moning is not that predictable.
I agree Lani, its Barrons. I think her killing the beast was probably the only way for her to change him back to human... Or at least I am hoping.
Gwen wrote: "I agree Lani, its Barrons. I think her killing the beast was probably the only way for her to change him back to human... Or at least I am hoping."Me too Gwen, me too...
I like that idea, about him being human again. iwonder if he is immortal still and if Mac is going to have ahuman life span or is changing to an immortal life.
Ok I am listening to Faefever at work today and the part where she finds the slivers in his study. She descibes the beast that she sees as a "Thing with stunted limbs and enormous teeth" So does that sound like what is watching over her in the silvers?
page 422 Dreamfever says, "when an enormous gray beast suddenly exploded in a blur of thorns and fangs and talons from nowhere." ... "If the thing had been standing upright-and it looked as if it could-it would come to 9 ft. It had three sets of shrped curved horns spaced at even intervals on two bony ridges that ran down each side of its head.The first set was at its ears, the second mid way back at its skull, and the final pair sprouted fromt eh rear of its head and curved downwatd towards its back. Hanks of long black hair tangled around a prehistoric face, with a crested forehead, promient bones, and deadly fangs. Its hands and feet were lightly webbed with long talons. Its skin was gray and smooth as leather. It was massively muscled and male....The boar had been a simple animal, one that might have sprung from earth's gentic codes. I didn't need a DNA test to tell me this one hadn't."I don't think Barrons was the beast in teh silvers. i think those beasts were put there to keep people from geting past. The beast in Dreamfever(maybe Barrons) was muscled, not stunted.
Do you think that Barrons could be Cruce? LOL just a thought.
I didn't think so (for some reason I thought there was a detail making that impossible, but I could be way off), but it wouldn't be the first time in a book where a character said that someone was "dead" in reference to who they actually were in their past.
I think you are right but I can't think of what it is either.
