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Apr 18, 2010 03:19PM
What's your argumentative style? Reasoning? Appeals to passion? Breaking down into tears? Does your style depend on different factors? And most importantly, do you win?
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Passion, reasoning, and the most important factor for me - I must feel strongly about the issue and must believe that I am correct. I almost always win. (:
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I like turning someone's argument against them. Sometimes it makes me feel like saying a line from a Monty Python skit..."There, I've run rings 'round you logically!"
One feature of the Marxist tradition, I have always enjoyed, is that of using the arguments of opponents in one’s own case. The best example I know is Lenin’s celebrated essay on Imperialism (1916). Lenin takes the views of the early 20th century avowed imperialists who claimed that, unless the western powers engaged in foreign conquest, then capitalism would collapse. He then argues that this shows the worthlessness of both capitalism and imperialism. It’s a nice turning of the tables.
(I don't need to add that the arguments on both sides seem terribly dated: we justify foreign conquest quite differently today.)
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17...
Barb wrote: "Ummm, I'd say I start with Reason & Passion ... and depending on the arguement and who it's with, breaking down into tears if it gets bad.I don't always win ... but that doesn't mean I don't alwa..."
That. Exactly.
RA, feel free to give me a call and tell me why you hate the Beatles, and I'll gladly demonstrate my argumentative style.
;-p
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Heh. I'll put you on speaker and share your views with the whole hallway, Gus:)
Use Skype record it, and put it on here!
Skype, followed by an upload to YouTube. I guarantee at least 1 million hits.
Barb wrote: "You live in a hallway RA? A nice one with a screened-in front porch ..."He has a hallway? He's lucky! We've got naught but a paper sack in the middle of the road. Father makes us get up at 2 A.M., half an hour before we go to bed, to lick the road clean!
my argumentative style depends on when, where and with who i argue. it is usually a mix of reason and passion and if the occasion allows it - like sunday evening with the family, or with good friends - jokes.
people that think they are right all the time really annoy those of us who really are
I'm big on reason. However, if the person can't see things my way and I'm truly revved up and irritated, I'll shift the argument slightly to a point I can win. It's a dirty trick. My mother is the queen of this and I hate when she does it to me so I am TRYING to stop doing it. But sometimes I just can't help myself. It's so darned effective.
Touche KevinBut I agree with most of you particularly you Gretchen.
But I tend to use reason most often.
I either win hands down or lose hands down there isn't any middle ground with me.
Heh. I bet your husband, Gretchen, would probably say "stop acting your mother" but that's a very dangerous thing to say to women, I've discovered...:)
RandomAnthony wrote: "Heh. I bet your husband, Gretchen, would probably say "stop acting your mother" but that's a very dangerous thing to say to women, I've discovered...:)"He probably wants to say that. :)
No but actually the beauty of it is that the person doesn't realize you're doing it! If they did, it wouldn't work very well would it?
I just win all arguments. No need for a strategy at all... I'm not sure that the people I argue with think I've won but that's OK. I have the POWER of positive thinking and no one will ever convince me that I've lost!
I think s/he wanted someone to argue with them about it.
I argue from a position of strength, backed up by citations and examples. I'm very reasonable, though, and I acknowledge that the other side has some good points. You will suddenly find not that you are arguing with me, but that we have been in agreement all along. :)
That's frighteningly intriguing, Jackie. Sounds like hypnotism to me.
oooo! Hypnotism as an argumentative style! I like it!
Jackie has a hypnotic personality. It's true.
BunWat wrote: "So s/he could use the bat!! Oh its baiting!"Bat? I thought that was an anal probe. YOIKS!
Bat? I thought that was an anal probe. YOIKS!"Phil, wake up, Phil.... yes honey, I know you are having the bestest dream of your life..... but it's time to get the kids off to school now!
I took Conflict & Conflict Management in college. :) I almost always get what I want when I really want it. I'm good at the conflict thing, but not in the kind of way that leaves the other person feeling like they've just been had (I don't think).
Heidi wrote: "I took Conflict & Conflict Management in college. :) I almost always get what I want when I really want it. I'm good at the conflict thing, but not in the kind of way that leaves the other perso..."High five, Heidi!
Gus wrote: "RA, feel free to give me a call and tell me why you hate the Beatles, and I'll gladly demonstrate my argumentative style.
;-p"
This probably comes as no surprise, but I have a few reasons why I hate 'em:
The Replacements "Let It Be" is better than the Beatles' "Let It Be."
If the Beatles had never split up, we would've been spared Wings and the Plastic Ono Band.
The Kinks. The Stones. The Small Faces. The Who. The Move. Even Herman's Hermits. There was more than one great 60's pop band, you know?
They had to get Clapton to play the solo on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" becauses none of them could play worth a shit.
They didn't rock.
;-p"
This probably comes as no surprise, but I have a few reasons why I hate 'em:
The Replacements "Let It Be" is better than the Beatles' "Let It Be."
If the Beatles had never split up, we would've been spared Wings and the Plastic Ono Band.
The Kinks. The Stones. The Small Faces. The Who. The Move. Even Herman's Hermits. There was more than one great 60's pop band, you know?
They had to get Clapton to play the solo on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" becauses none of them could play worth a shit.
They didn't rock.
I'm stunned...anyway, did anyone say they could play well? One of the main reasons why they were successful, I feel, is because their songs were catchy and could be comfortable sung to..
Rachel wrote: "I'm stunned..."
Yeah, I know. Sometimes I even surprise myself.
It's just that after 46 years, I'm tired of hearing about them and for the life of me, just can't figure out what all the fuss is about. Alright, so their music is infectious. So is avian flu. But if I never hear another rumination about what John Lennon was twittering on about with "newspaper taxis" and "marshmallow skies," I'm just fine with that. When I snap my fingers, it's time to move on.
Need I even get started about the burning, defensive hypersensitivity and powerful inclination to be instantly offended of the average Fab Four acolyte?
Hi Jackie... You have to know I'm just rattling your cage, right?
But I stand by everything above.
Yeah, I know. Sometimes I even surprise myself.
It's just that after 46 years, I'm tired of hearing about them and for the life of me, just can't figure out what all the fuss is about. Alright, so their music is infectious. So is avian flu. But if I never hear another rumination about what John Lennon was twittering on about with "newspaper taxis" and "marshmallow skies," I'm just fine with that. When I snap my fingers, it's time to move on.
Need I even get started about the burning, defensive hypersensitivity and powerful inclination to be instantly offended of the average Fab Four acolyte?
Hi Jackie... You have to know I'm just rattling your cage, right?
But I stand by everything above.
The Replacements "Let It Be" is better than the Beatles' "Let It Be." Hell. Fucking. Yes.
And I agree that they didn't rock. That might be the best way to put it. The Beatles never rocked, but they pretended they did.
Oh, Barb, I was at work, and there's a long echo-y hallway right outside my office door:)
You know, Clark, that argument was going to be between me and RA.
And, RA, going, "yeah, told ya so!" after someone makes an argument doesn't say much about YOUR argumentative style there, Shirley.
So...yeah! Neener neener neener.
And, RA, going, "yeah, told ya so!" after someone makes an argument doesn't say much about YOUR argumentative style there, Shirley.
So...yeah! Neener neener neener.
You're just mad because my big brotha kicked your ass.:)
Sorry to butt in, Gus but RA hasn't had to fight being force fed the grape Flavor-Aid as long as I have.
Okay no, the Beatles didn't usually rock, they were a pop band. Heck yeah, they are fun to sing along with. That's a GOOD thing. But, c'mon, "Helter Skelter" totally rocks!
And they got Eric Clapton to play on "My Guitar Gently Weeps" because he was friends with George, and ahem, that song rocks, too.
It's possible to like multiple bands from the 60s, and I do. I love the Kinks, and the Stones, and The Who, and Motown artists, too. I'm impressed by the longevity of the Stones. But the Beatles not only did good pop music, they followed Dylan's lead, and wrote their own stuff, and they experimented.
They were versatile, with three songwriters in the band, which gave them a variety of sound. And they all sang. Okay, Ringo isn't a particularly good singer, but he still got one song an album.
You can't blame The Plastic Ono band on the Beatles. Or Wings.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go find The Replacements version of "Let It Be." Which, by the way, is not my favorite Beatles' song, but which I can play on the ukulele. :)
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Other way around, Sally. RA likes atonal depressing stuff, not the Beatles. :)
Jackie "the Librarian" wrote: "Okay no, the Beatles didn't usually rock, they were a pop band. Heck yeah, they are fun to sing along with. That's a GOOD thing.
But, c'mon, "Helter Skelter" totally rocks!
And they got Eric..."
Here's a secret. I don't really hate the Beatles as much as I make out around here. I hate them, but I'm more burned out on them than anything. I really need to just keep my mouth shut when the subject comes up from now on.
And if I don't hear any Led Zeppelin for a few years, I'm all right with that, too.
But, c'mon, "Helter Skelter" totally rocks!
And they got Eric..."
Here's a secret. I don't really hate the Beatles as much as I make out around here. I hate them, but I'm more burned out on them than anything. I really need to just keep my mouth shut when the subject comes up from now on.
And if I don't hear any Led Zeppelin for a few years, I'm all right with that, too.
We don't allow people to keep their mouth shut around here Clark. You should know that by now.
I'm with Clark on the Led Zepplin moratorium.
