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The Pope is a Punk & His Org Should Be Defunct
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Well I'll give them credit, they are willing to go down with the ship, and with this attitude the ship is going down.
I have gay friends who are quite offended by this man. The remarks are offensive and arise from ignorance.
But hey, they've forgiven the Beatles, so they must be ok!http://www.vancouversun.com/entertain...
Surely that makes up for everything else.
"The institutional church has brought this onto themselves." This is a really, really important distinction, I get the feeling, to many Catholics. There's a theological difference between the institutional church and the true church if I understand the distinction correctly. Now, I don't mean that as a cop-out, as the Catholics I know say "oh, it's not the rest of the Catholics' problems, just the leadership." But just about every Catholic with whom I speak (and I work at a Catholic school, so I see Catholics every day) feels just as offended as anyone else by comments of this nature as well as ashamed to be associated with the institutional church but still believing in the church that transcends the organization. In turn, I wouldn't be surprised to see more Catholics calling for changes in the institutional church. Whether or not that has any immediate impact, well, I don't know.
A lot of the problem is the obsession of so many religious groups with sexual morality. This central concern is not even Biblical. Read any book of the Bible (the Song of Songs excepted). You will find it deals with sex hardly at all. Yet somehow the comparative side-issue of sexuality has become central to modern Christinity. It is a curious obsession. More than this, any proper grown-up person knows that sexual morality is a subtle matter, something that has a place in intimate friendships and relationships. In real life, sexual morality has largely to do with passion, enthusiasm and love; it's about respecting the other's humanity; it's about caring for an other person and being,in turn, cared for.
Yet somehow, when religion takes hold of sexual morality, it tries to reduce it to a set of rules and regulations. Such an approach is not even Christian (thumb through the Gospels, or St Paul's letters). But, leaving Christianity apart, it is likely to miss the point of moral thinking entirely. In particular, it seems to have led the Catholic priesthood into all kinds of trouble.
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Sally wrote: "Wow, this thread is full of vitriol. I don't have an opinion on the church, so this is interesting."On the topic of religion, my vitriol tank is always topped off. I believe religions do much more harm than good in the world, and it really chaps my hide to see so many taken in by these corrupt organizations.
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I'm high-fiving Phil for his excellent use of the phrase "pig fucker."
A pal of mine has just joined a Facebook thread "Catholics for Gay Rights". Being neither Catholic nor Gay, I feel I cannot join, but he has my sympathy.
The Catholic Church is a mess. And I sympathize with those that love their particular church or cathedral and their particular priest who is such a great guy. But every penny they give to that local church is supporting the Church. And The Church has a cancer at its core.
i am a recovering former catholic. I havn't been in a church but once in almost 20 years but i can still recite all the proper responses. its horrid. total brainwashing.
Pope's No. 2: Pedophilia linked to homosexuality
Got a suggestion, your assholiness -- why don't you put the blame right at the feet of your very own organization, exactly where it belongs?!
There's one guy who seems to get it, but he'll probably be defrocked soon.
Pope Benedict XVI urged to step down