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Echo- Changes in Jamie and Claire
Totally agree with you. The tone of this book was off. I have heard that the author wanted to change the feel of this book because she was wanting to try something new. I don't know if that is true or not but it's what I've heard. I don't feel it worked whatever the reason. Didn't work for me at all. I will purchase the next book because I'm too invested in the series. But...I loathed the whole Claire/LJ thing. The whole book didn't feel like it should have been a part of the continuing saga.
The only bright spot for me was seeing Tom in the story. I think he was written as we have come to know him. Cantankerous, stubborn and heartbreakingly lovesick.
My first reaction to the Claire/LJ encounter was "How COULD she??" For 20 years when Claire was gone Jamie only slept with 2 other women, and neither time was it his idea. And why did LJ even WANT to sleep with Claire anyway, given his sexual preferences? The whole thing kind of devalued the intense bond between Jamie and Claire, I thought.
Correction.... Meant to say Jamie only slept with 2 other women besides when he was married to Loaghaire :)
I thought Jaime had said at the brothel that he had sex only when he was about to go mad. The way I interpreted that was that he did occasionally have sex with other women during that 20 years - more than 2.
Carolyn F. wrote: "I thought Jaime had said at the brothel that he had said only when he was about to go mad. The way I interpreted that was that he did occasionally have sex with other women during that 20 years - ..."That's how I read it too, Carolyn.
That's what I thought too. However, there's a bit of a difference between having lost the love of your life for a few days vs. many lonely years. I've been reading about these characters for 15+ years now and I hope she isn't going to snip away at my connection to them in the last couple books. And for heaven's sake- are we being led to believe that Jamie is not going to be upset about this by his "Oh, Why?" reply to LJ's admission? I hope she's atleast realistic about HIS reaction!
I left this comment on another thread but I think it belongs here too. Here it goes...May Contain spoilers…
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I really think there was as much of LJ because of William. I happen to really like LG and loved his three books. I read them waiting on BOSAA. Different than what I thought to expect but truthfully I was just geeking for Jamie. When Jamie finally showed up in the books it was like he was guest starring and I heard audience applause in my head. (Yes I have lost me head) Point is he married Claire to save her from being imprisoned, I get that. What’s to lose? What I don’t get is consummating it. What for?? Claire and LJ being together gives me mixed feelings also but the book was written to introduce many more story lines for more books to come. I look forward to those story lines unfolding.
ALSO, I can't wait until Jamie sees Claire. He knew she married LJ for protection before he left Fergus’s to get Claire but LJ tells him about the consummating (for better choice of words) as they have been on the run. Jamie did not know that when he seen Claire at the Inn. Jamie needs to lay into her!!! Can anybody think anything better than a belt!!! From Jamie’s perspective I think he will be able to understand LJ's desires easier before Claire's. I can't wait!
One more thing...When the time comes that Claire will be truthful with Jamie do you think Claire or LJ will spill more? As Claire has never held back telling truths to Jamie but do you think she will hold back on the depth of her and LJ's intimacy's?
Carolyn F. wrote: "I thought Jaime had said at the brothel that he had sex only when he was about to go mad. The way I interpreted that was that he did occasionally have sex with other women during that 20 years - m..."Yes, you're right. I do vaguely remember when he said that, but then my question is why did he feel so nervous about/compelled to tell Claire about the woman who came to the cave he was living in at Lallybroch (can't remember her name) whom he ended up having sex with, when there had been a number of other women over the years?
I only understood it was just the three woman...
Angela wrote: "Carolyn F. wrote: "I thought Jaime had said at the brothel that he had sex only when he was about to go mad. The way I interpreted that was that he did occasionally have sex with other women durin..."I think he felt he had to tell Claire about Mrs.MacNab coming to him in the cave mainly because it was someone Claire knew and had a relationship with while she lived at Lallybroch. I also think that he did not consider it 'meaningless' sex (as he would with the girls at the brothel when the need arose) and she already knew about the other 2 which had any meaning to him: William's mother & Leghair. I really think he was just coming clean.
I agree Eva. Claire would come into contact with Mrs. MacNab at Lallybroch and if he hid it and then somehow Claire found out. . . It was better for him to come clean. She had been with Frank sexually off and on those 20 years.
I really don't think that Jaime frequented brothels. I think that when he told Claire that he had sex only when he would lose his mind, was referring to Mrs. McNab and Geniva (did it 3 times with her). He lived in the brothel when Claire met up with him 20 years later and says he was never a customer. I believe him.
Angela wrote: "Carolyn F. wrote: "I thought Jaime had said at the brothel that he had sex only when he was about to go mad. The way I interpreted that was that he did occasionally have sex with other women durin..."I think that moment, the confession about the 'cave sex' was a huge example of foreshadowing for what happened with Claire and LJG in Echo.. therefore, I think Jamie will be a lot more understanding, and forgiving to their situation than us as readers are. Claire and LJG are only human, and with that comes the ability, and probablility of making mistakes, especially those in the heat of the moment, while on the brink of utter despair. I still maintain, it meant nothing more than 2 people reaching out to one another, in lonliness and desperation. Given the circumstances, I don't believe it be neither out of character, or even wrong. Just my opinion....
Heather wrote: "I only understood it was just the three woman..."yes 3 woman
Williams mother
Cave woman lol
Loaghair!
He did not go with the woman in the Brothel. He did mention that he eased himself at times. In prison with men around it was so humiliating for him...he also mentions you could hear them at night because of the chains that bound hands.
Shell wrote: "Angela wrote: "Carolyn F. wrote: "I thought Jaime had said at the brothel that he had sex only when he was about to go mad. The way I interpreted that was that he did occasionally have sex with ot..."I am right with you. I agree 100% and understand Human nature. I do understand LJ act of despair before Claire's though.
Is it truly because she thought Jamie was dead, because the ship sinking would be beyond his control? I am more acute to Claire's reasonings. I think that is why I asked do you think she will hold back on telling Jamie the depth of her and LJ's intimacy's?
Lady wrote: "I really don't think that Jaime frequented brothels. I think that when he told Claire that he had sex only when he would lose his mind, was referring to Mrs. McNab and Geniva (did it 3 times with ..."Now that I thought about it some more, I agree with you and with Kelly (msg 16).
Heather wrote: "Shell wrote: "Angela wrote: "Carolyn F. wrote: "I thought Jaime had said at the brothel that he had sex only when he was about to go mad. The way I interpreted that was that he did occasionally ha..."I do think the whole truth will come out, Claire will own up to it... They may have a HUGE spat, but then just as HUGE make up.... Yah, well, You get what I mean.
I think that Claire will give Jamie a truthful reasoning of why she slept with LJ. I just don't know if "I" can forgive her. She has some series 'splainin' to do. From the beginning, the entire tone of the series has supported the idea (for me anyway), that Jamie was always 'more' in love with Claire, she was with him. He has stated and proved his single minded devotion of her over and over.
Claire on the other hand, is much a much less sentimental person. I don't doubt that she loves Jamie, she did give up her 20th century life for him.
But in my mind, Jamie's devotion is the stronger.
When Claire went back thru the stones...
Claire talks of mourning Jamie until Bree was born. She had sex with Frank when Bree was 3 months old.
Jamie mourned Claire for YEARS. It was 7 years before he had sex with ms McNab.
I guess where my confusion with the whole thing is why 'sex' is the whole reasoning behind the majority of readers view on what happened....? One person could declare celabacy, and never again sleep with another person, after a someone they love dies, or leaves them. Another, could immedietly turn to someone intimately, as a means to cope.. Which one loved the person more??? No one can answer that, as not one person is the same, nor reacts the same in a traumatic situation. I don't view Claire, or LJG any differently after reading that chapter, then I felt about them before. I guess it's like this... If my best friend, was coping the loss of a loved one.. and turned to someone for comfort, in a moment of weakness.. Would I be mad at her? No, I may not agree with her coping methods, but I wouldn't be here to judge.. As I wouldn't have been in her shoes to rightfully do so...
On the other hand, this thread, and many, many more just like it, proves the genius of Diana Gabaldon.. No matter where you stand on the matter.. she certainly has everyone talking, and analyzing... which is what a great Author does.. of course.. :)
Shell wrote: "I guess where my confusion with the whole thing is why 'sex' is the whole reasoning behind the majority of readers view on what happened....? One person could declare celabacy, and never again slee..."I wouldn't be mad at a friend who quickly turned to someone else sexually in mourning either. But, I guess I'm old fashioned (I'm 30 by the way) in that I would think to myself, 'Wow, I never knew Jane Doe was such a slut.'
I can't relate. To me some things are sacred at all times. The sexual boundaries had already been stretched enough through the series for my personal tastes. This book just didn't fit to me. Anyone else notice the personality changes?
(note to Eva- I will forever read it as "Leghair" now I laughed like crazy. I ALWAYS stumble on her name!)
MissyC323 wrote: "I think that Claire will give Jamie a truthful reasoning of why she slept with LJ. I just don't know if "I" can forgive her. She has some series 'splainin' to do. From the beginning, the entire..."
I think that is my point... It has to be that she thought Jamie was dead, because the ship sinking would be beyond his control? She gave up on him so quickly in a time period when you can not take anything for face value. I can't seem to justify Claire because I don't see how she knows Jamie being dead for certain. It was only a few months, unless I misread?
MissyC323 wrote: "I think that Claire will give Jamie a truthful reasoning of why she slept with LJ. I just don't know if "I" can forgive her. She has some series 'splainin' to do. From the beginning, the entire..."
Very well put! Thank you, I've tried to explain just that before and have not been able to convey my meaning, evidently. You did. We don't have to agree with their choices, but, like you said that is what makes it all so interesting! It would be boring if we, as the readers, could predict everything that happens. It does encourage discussions that some might not have ever thought about. The woman is a genius. And, I for one cannot wait to see how she surprises us with the resolution.
Claire believes that Jaime is dead because LJ told her there was an eye-witness to the ship sinking. Jaime never sent a letter saying he was on another ship. Why would she believe otherwise?
Why would she believe other wise…. because of the book Voyager for one. She knows how easy things can go amiss. Jamie and she both planned on sailing on a ship that they never made it on, they were taken captive off one ship and set on another. They fled a ship, and he has swum across a damn ocean to shore, Claire in his arms! So what if it went down… why did she not have faith a little longer? Letters have nothing to do with it, it a period where letters sent are most likely on the ship you are on. Again I just can’t wait to see how Diana writes us out of this one!
You make a good point. A few months must have seemed like years to Claire. I don't begrudge Claire for allowing LJ, Jaime's best friend, to comfort her duing her mourning. If in face Jaime really died, I think Claire would have returned to modern time to be with Brianna and family.
Lady wrote: "You make a good point. A few months must have seemed like years to Claire. I don't begrudge Claire for allowing LJ, Jaime's best friend, to comfort her duing her mourning. If in face Jaime really ..."I'm with you Lady..
Lady wrote: "You make a good point. A few months must have seemed like years to Claire. I don't begrudge Claire for allowing LJ, Jaime's best friend, to comfort her duing her mourning. If in face Jaime really ..."I thought that too... why Claire wouldn't return to be with her family. Except I wouldn't want that because that would mean that there would not be any more books. =( Even though Diana has evolved the other characters for books of their own. I am one person that can see how LJ and Claire end up together, easily... but the thread started out the CHANGES IN Jamie and Claire. Claire is the person who I see changes in. And if I were Jamie I would be beyond heart broken... I don't know if I would be able to touch her again... (Maybe not that extreme but pretty darn close)
Here is a thought.... Jamie is back and what if LJ managed to impregnate her? The gay guy with no children has one of his own??? You never know.Diana has the gulls to do it.
Heather wrote: "Here is a thought.... Jamie is back and what if LJ managed to impregnate her? The gay guy with no children has one of his own??? You never know.Diana has the gulls to do it."Well that would be really hard to believe seeing Claire is in her 50's. I know that happens but ewwww...... with LJ oh that would not be good plus it would be hard for her to go off on a Civil War adventure that is sure to be in the next book or two.
I think the way DG wrote the whole ending of the book was so out of character. It was very rushed.
I think Claire does love Jamie as much she just has a more difficult time letting her feelings show.
I think I can forgive Claire for the whole LJ thing. I just can't forgive DG. Echo really is a LJ book and Claire and Jamie were seem like puppets giving DG a way to make LJ take the lead in Echo.
LOL, just a thought. My take on so much LJ was just fitting William into Jamies life. I wanted that for Jamie so much that it didn't bother me. It was more jumping all over the place but by the end of the book I got used to it and all stories line that where left open I want to read more on all of them. Maybe Echo had to bite the bullet for great ones to come! Overall I reread Echo as fast as I did the rest.I have audio's on the way. Watch me have and rewrite all my opinions.
Sorry this is so long!Does anyone remember the conversation between Jamie & Claire that had to do with what they would do if they caught the other cheating?? I think it was in Voyager, or maybe while staying at the brothel? I don't remember but I'm looking!! Anyway, Claire told Jamie that if she caught him with another woman she'd cut off his co**... Jamie looked at her with a deadly stare & told her he wouldn't hurt her, but he would KILL whoever she was with....Maybe LJ better run, and fast??!!
I too am very upset with Claire. Just doesn't ring true to her character to jump into bed with LJ so quickly. She keeps saying that she just doesn't feel that Jamie is dead, and if he was, she'd feel it in her bones. So her sleeping with LJ just doesn't make sense. That's just my opinion.
I also wanted to make a comment regarding the comments about not enough of Jamie & Claire in Echo. We all have to come to the realization that sooner or later :( Jamie & Claire are going to be to old for all the adventure & running around saving everyone (no matter how much this kills me) So, we either give up the series & let it die in a final wrap-up, OR, my hope is that Diana will continue on & give us many more books with Jaime & Claire's family.
Endless possibilities & we get to stay close to them, dreams, memories & so on. I LOVE Ian, where will his adventures lead him. Brianna & Roger, will they stay in the present or go to the past? What's going on in that new twist? Anyway, it's not a very good feeling to think of Jamie or Claire dieing, honestly, it's like losing a family member right?? We have to face it, they're getting older & people back then were lucky to make it to 40 so we've been lucky they're doing so well! lol
One last thing,(SORRY)
It's not so fun thinking of two 70 yr old people having sex...HAHA seems to me we don't get much of it like we did in Outlander & ADFIA, it's like all the passion is gone. It might be nice to have Jamie & Claire still around but doing what most people their age do, enjoy life & their children & grandchildren. Making room for new adventures with Roger, Bri, Ian & so on?? OH, and William!!!! I hope he will become our "new" Jamie!!!!!!!! Same looks, body & charm....this could be VERRA good!!!
I forgot they did have that conversation!!! Good memory. I now remember it well. hmmmm.... It's all for a good story!
Kelly wrote: "Heather wrote: "Here is a thought.... Jamie is back and what if LJ managed to impregnate her? The gay guy with no children has one of his own??? You never know.Diana has the gulls to do it."Wel..."Well that would be really hard to believe seeing Claire is in her 50's. I know that happens but ewwww...... with LJ oh that would not be good plus it would be hard for her to go off on a Civil War adventure that is sure to be in the next book or two.
EEWWWW is exactly what I thought too! I agree with everything you said Kelly! When I got to the last page, I thought I MUST have gotten a faulty book, it's missing a chapter!!! Nope, just left ya hangin...At least we know we're getting another book! I just hope it won't take 3 yrs that's all!
Robin wrote: "I also wanted to make a comment regarding the comments about not enough of Jamie & Claire in Echo. We all have to come to the realization that sooner or later :( Jamie & Claire are going to be ..."
I agree!! I can't wait to see what kind of man little Jem will grow into! He reminds me of Jamie the most. I want to (read) him grow up and he's still so young!
Heather wrote: "Here is a thought.... Jamie is back and what if LJ managed to impregnate her? The gay guy with no children has one of his own??? You never know.Diana has the gulls to do it."Claire is 60 in Echo.
Jamie will forgive Claire anything, it's what unconditional love is all about after all... true soul mates, accepting of eachother whole, flaws and all. Although techincally it was in fact cheating, because Jamie was, after all, still alive, the intent of being unfaithul wasn't there. I agree Claire has changed... I don't see them as bad, just different. How can one not change, after being through everything she has been through. Jamie has always been in his own element, Claire has given up everything to be with him, and has endured many hardships because of her choices... Sex with Jamie is a spiritual thing, a true act of love. Clare however is able to seperate what she shares with Jamie, to nothing more than a physical act with anyone else.. Ie; King Louie, Frank (post jamie) the rape in ABOSAA.. and now LJG... I would think one would have to become somewhat cold, to survive the daily life she has chosen to be with the the love of her life, being faced daily with the life she has forever given up. She most definatley is not the same Claire we met in Outlander, how could she be? She would have to grow, and change to survive in her new exsistance.. plus 20 years living in a loveless marraige, for the sake of your beloved daughter, created with the one man in the universe you have ever truly loved beyond reason, knowing you will never see, touch or speak with again, is bound to make irreversable changes in someone. Changes so deeply ingrained over 20 years of grieving, that even after reuniting with Jamie, she can't change back. It is who she is now... Jamie had accepted her, changes and all, as she has he. I think the entire Jamie, Claire and LJG chaos will be a fantastic, storyline to resolve. Should make for entertaining reading, if nothing else. The nxt book will most likely be full of anger, passion, heart break and in th end forgiveness and love. I think it may be what brings the 'old' Jamie and Claire back to us... I hope anyways. As far as Jem goes.. I agree.. I think he and his sister are going to be the key to whole time travel thing, and next to his grandfather, will grow to be the greatest hero of all time... A Fraser, thru and thru. Love that lil dude...
I'm sure he'll forgive her.. but I think he should rake her over the coals and threaten to push her a** back through the stones first! Maybe this will be the event that forces Claire to open up to Jamie a bit more. I have to give it to DG, as little as I enjoyed the first part of Echo, I am anticipating the next book more than any other before. It's killing me to know what he's going to do/say to LJ!
People get really upset when you say you think an author didn't stay "true" to his or her characters. I'm sorry everyone, just my opinion, but it really seems as though the author didn't stay true to her characters in Echo. I wish I could explain it in an eloquent fashion. Echo just seemed "off." Someone help me out.
The whole Claire/LJ thing seemed contrived, the ending did feel rushed. William pouting seemed silly. Characters all over the board were annoying and sometimes a bit difficult to follow. Plus, the coincidences were not to be believed. Not only were there "changes" with Jamie and Claire, there were changes in tone and feel to the entire storyline.
I'm just saying it feels as though the author was bored with the series and wanted to try something new. It didn't work for me. Doesn't mean I don't love Jamie any less or that I won't read the next book in the series...I'm just sayin'.....
Shell wrote: "Jamie will forgive Claire anything, it's what unconditional love is all about after all... true soul mates, accepting of eachother whole, flaws and all. Although techincally it was in fact cheating..."Your so right, I know that no matter what Claire has done, Jamie will forgive her. I think he will be very hurt (rightly so!) he will most likely make her suffer for a long time, make her learn a lessen as he's had to do many times before! Then, make her admit to him while he makes love to her that she is his & only his like he is so very good at doing!
ahhh wish I could be Claire for "that" punishment! LOL
Robin wrote: "Shell wrote: "Jamie will forgive Claire anything, it's what unconditional love is all about after all... true soul mates, accepting of eachother whole, flaws and all. Although techincally it was in..."No doubt.
I just happened to see this while looking at some comments made by DG & thought this may interest or answer some of the questions some have had regarding Echo & how it ends. This was an answer DG gave to someone who wanted to know if auld Arch really did die in the end of the book in the confrontation with Ian, Rachel, & William ohh & Rollo:OK. There are four storylines in this book, and three of them end in what are _very_ plainly deliberate cliffhangers (i.e., the author did not just get tired and walk off, or fail to think of some way to end these lines and thus abandon them. The author chose her stopping-place with great skill and malice aforethought, intending the maximum impact). One of them doesn't--Ian's story. That one very evidently has CLOSURE written all over it.
Seems to me she is getting her point across very well this time, she ended the book just the way she intended to & we will understand that when the next one hits the shelf. Way to go DG! LOL
Susan wrote: "People get really upset when you say you think an author didn't stay "true" to his or her characters. I'm sorry everyone, just my opinion, but it really seems as though the author didn't stay true ..."Amen. It was an unbelievable plot twist with Claire and LJ. I just thought it was a sad, sorry excuse to have Claire together with the very gay LJ. One of those 'Oh, give me a break' moments. Not buying it for a moment.
DG seemed to have lost interest in Jamie and Claire. Especially their time at the fort. She just left them there and went off with LJ. Which I didn't care for at all, since he really bores me.
I don't consider the Claire/LJ bit clever. I take it as an insult to my intelligence as a reader.
And Ian Jr. is the next Jamie, not William. He's Jamie all over. William just looks like Jamie.
Robin wrote: "I also wanted to make a comment regarding the comments about not enough of Jamie & Claire in Echo. We all have to come to the realization that sooner or later :( Jamie & Claire are going to be ..."
There were many people who lived long lives then. Lists of people in my geneology and my husbands have folks that lived a long time - many into 90's - a few more. Since Claire knows about foods & vitamins, etc, and they eat much more balanced diets than the usual, I expect they will be long-lived, and stay pretty vital. Also her knowledge of treatments for illnesses and surgery, etc., helps.
I recently saw a couple in their 90's speak of marrying in their 70's. They were sweethearts when young, but both married someone else due to various circumstances. They spoke of their active sex life.
Clair & Jamie may not have sex as often - sometimes due to no privacy,etc - but still have passion.
I don't mind cliffhangers. I'm reading several series. Cliffhangers are to be expected. What I mind are plot twists that are just not believable or plausible. I've already resolved to overlook the time travel thing. Characters and how they interact is a whole different story.
I have no doubt the author has a plan. Most of the other books have characters that come back or do something that pushes the story forward or has an interesting twist. I didn't think that was the case in Echo. I thought it was pretty much a mess...because the characters didn't act, perform, talk, behave the way she has drawn them in the past. I don't mind twists - let me be clear...
Jamie is still number one forever. DG might want to throw in some more Jamieisms in the next book. Jamie and his beautiful words were seriously lacking in Echo.
As I've posted on some other threads, Claire and I were roughly the same age when Outlander was first published... she was 28 and I was 30. Then she aged much faster, since 20 book years went by between the time that she went back through the stones and then returned to Scotland with Brianna, but only 3-4 real time years. With the rest of the books, at least 10 book years have gone by, making Claire in her early 60s at least.My point is that, perhaps, Diana wants to extend the series much longer than is going to be possible with Jamie and Claire and that is the reason for devoting so much of the Echo to the younger characters, especially William. I rather liked Echo, actually, although the ending was rather abrupt.
For most of you, you've discovered the series recently, so you've been able to read the books one after the other and Claire and Jamie are still young in your mind, because not that much real time has passed.
I remember thinking when first reading Dragonfly (at the young age of 33ish) that Claire seemed so old to me now, where in the first book we were the same age. Now that 20 real years have gone by, well, I don't think she's all that old, but... I'm pretty sure the passion is not as earth shattering as it was when she was 28...
Just because the characters acted in ways that might seem out of character, if you look at their actions through the prism of time, we all change over our lives and maybe that is all Diana was trying to do, show that the characters had changed and aged as well. I wonder how much of Diana is in Claire...
Linda wrote: "As I've posted on some other threads, Claire and I were roughly the same age when Outlander was first published... she was 28 and I was 30. Then she aged much faster, since 20 book years went by b..."I've wondered that same thing, many, many times.. myself.
Along the lines of what Linda is saying, here is part of my review of Echo:...I think though that my absolute favorite part about Echo is seeing the evolution of the characters. I think that it is nothing short of amazing that Diana can write about the same characters over and over again and still make them grow and evolve as people. I loved reading Echo and thinking back to what Jamie and Claire were like in Outlander and even young Ian in earlier books. They really have grown up and grown older. I think that that is the key to what makes Jamie, Claire, and the rest so lovable and so real; Diana writes them as if they are real people who grow, change, and live. I know them and love them and can't wait to see what happens next :)
That's my two-cents.
Did anybody else feel like there were drastic changes in the characters of Jamie and Claire?
i.e.- Jamie's reaction to Logaire's crippled mate was something like an incredulous 'Why Him?' It seemed callous and unlike Jamie and he seemed unprepared and clumsy in the whole scene. To me, in much of the book he came of like a reckless pervert and lacked the depth of the Jamie of previous books.
I have wanted Claire to soften a little since book 2, but it seems just the opposite is happening. Her thoughts are so calculated and even her mourning is flat. And don't even get me started on the LJ thing. WHAT WAS THAT? Does anybody else feel that that was very unClairish of her? Wasn't she cold even toward Frank for years when she returned through the stones?-Much less a mere acquaintence, whom she didn't even like(LJ). And after all that focus on her recoilling from the touch of anyone but Jamie?
I've been reading this series over and over since the year after the first book came out and this one didn't quite fit to me. But I'll still be in line for the next one!