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Echo- Changes in Jamie and Claire
Robin wrote: "Shell wrote: "Jamie will forgive Claire anything, it's what unconditional love is all about after all... true soul mates, accepting of eachother whole, flaws and all. Although techincally it was in..."Ditto on that last part! ......the ultimate fantasy :) :) :)
Mairicat wrote: "Susan wrote: "I don't mind cliffhangers. I'm reading several series. Cliffhangers are to be expected. What I mind are plot twists that are just not believable or plausible. I've already resolved ..."
My thoughts exactly, no human being is infallible, that's what makes Claire so easily relatable... I've forgiven her, almost instantly, Jamie will too... lol.
I agree that the plot for Claire & LJ was a shock & not my favorite thing for Claire, but I'll Wait t see where that goes. Seems a little unreal & very un-Claire. Echo to me had some different things that made me feel thing might be changing or going in a new direction. I'm not too sure if it's good or bad, just maybe different & hopefully the next book will explain it.As for them getting older, if their in the mid 60's that's not old by any means. However, I'm 45, had 2 major back surgeries can barely walk let alone stand the pain that I have. So I guess i judge from that how Jamie must feel with all the injuries he's had. (After checking, the average life expectancy in 1700-1800 was mid 20's.) So they are considered "old" for the times. Not that people didn't live longer. My whole point was, I LOVE Jamie & Claire very much they are & always will be my favorite couple! But, sadley they have to get old, slow down & eventually die. I'd rather they do that & DG continue on writing & take us into the younger peoples lives. Roger & Bri, Ian, Jem, Mandy and the many others that we can continue to follow & love. That's just me never wanting the series to quit tho.... :)
Renee wrote: "Susan wrote: "People get really upset when you say you think an author didn't stay "true" to his or her characters. I'm sorry everyone, just my opinion, but it really seems as though the author did..."You may be right, Ian could be the next Jamie, I do LOVE him & he has turned into such a wonderful man.
But, I do like William too, I think he will develop into more of a Jamie type in the next few yrs. Even though he was raised in a different way, he's got the genes & if he is exposed to Jamie as I think he might be, that will influence him as well. Just a thought.
I know this is off beat to the initial thread question but as everyone is kinda switching to the characters that they would enjoy to carry over on to future books I would also like to add for the record I even miss the "SOW". That darn pig had me laughing to many times and I sure do miss her!
Heather wrote: "I know this is off beat to the initial thread question but as everyone is kinda switching to the characters that they would enjoy to carry over on to future books I would also like to add for the r..."Ohh Heather, Your so right! LOL That pig should have her own book written about her! She was quite the "guard pig" wasn't she! haha And did give me many burst out loud laughs!
Robin wrote: "Renee wrote: "Susan wrote: "People get really upset when you say you think an author didn't stay "true" to his or her characters. I'm sorry everyone, just my opinion, but it really seems as though ..."But William...I love that Ian is clever, has that sense of humor and is sly like a fox. I don't think William will ever be that. Ian was more a son to Jamie than William will ever be. He grew up worshipping his uncle. I just think that Jamie is in Ian's blood, whereas William is not.
Robin wrote: "Heather wrote: "I know this is off beat to the initial thread question but as everyone is kinda switching to the characters that they would enjoy to carry over on to future books I would also like ..."The White Sow, and Clarence, and ADSO!!! So I am totally convinced they will be back on the Ridge...it is abundantly clear that Roger Bree and the kids are going back...why worry about the tunnel? Jem at the end of that scene is trundling toward the same time portal that Bree felt when she was trapped down there...so he is going...Roger is clearly on HIS way through the actual stones, and Bree has just been "taken" by a bad guy. She is NOT leaving Mandy behind, so the only real question is how long will it take for them to find each other...ten to one Bree and Mandy are also taken to the tunnel, where she KNOWS Jem has disappeared back in time, since he won't be there when she gets there...so she follows, with or without (likely with) Mr. Bad Guy.
Won't it be fun to watch them all find Jamie and Claire and Ian again? Ian will be married with a baby...Rollo will be there. I am curious as to where they will come out...fun!!!
Lisa wrote: "Robin wrote: "Heather wrote: "I know this is off beat to the initial thread question but as everyone is kinda switching to the characters that they would enjoy to carry over on to future books I wo..."I like the way you think Lisa! I love imagining them all back on the Ridge - loved it when they were all there together. Who knows how DG's plotting mind will work though? Who could have foreseen what happened to Mrs. Bug? Or what happened with Claire and LJ? Although some things were quit foreseeable, like William finding out about Jamie. I don't want to wish my life away but OMG hurry up 2013!!
Renee wrote: "Robin wrote: "Renee wrote: "Susan wrote: "People get really upset when you say you think an author didn't stay "true" to his or her characters. I'm sorry everyone, just my opinion, but it really se..."I agree. Ian really did follow in Jamie's footsteps. Except being in prison. I love that he has that mix of Jamie's humor, cunning, bravery, can be fatal when he wants to be, and honorable as well. And he seems to want to find what Jamie has with Claire. I just love Ian! William has not grown on me.
Mairicat wrote: "Lisa wrote: "Robin wrote: "Heather wrote: "I know this is off beat to the initial thread question but as everyone is kinda switching to the characters that they would enjoy to carry over on to futu..."Oh Mrs. Bug - that was a total surprise to me. I really liked her a lot and then she turned psycho. Nice twist in the story. Now, Mr. Bug was getting on my nerves with him showing up all the time. He wasn't as sinister as I think DG wanted, at least to me.
Carolyn F. wrote: "Mairicat wrote: "Lisa wrote: "Robin wrote: "Heather wrote: "I know this is off beat to the initial thread question but as everyone is kinda switching to the characters that they would enjoy to carr..."Ha, Arch never was much of a match for young Ian anyway.
I hated that Ian was the one to do away with Mrs. Bug. BUT he was defending Jamie. She 'did' shoot at Jamie. Arch never should have put her in danger, so his anger at Ian seemed lame.
Renee wrote: "Carolyn F. wrote: "Mairicat wrote: "Lisa wrote: "Robin wrote: "Heather wrote: "I know this is off beat to the initial thread question but as everyone is kinda switching to the characters that they ..."Lame is right! Jamie, Claire and co. lives have been riddled with drama, that's what makes the stories so riveting. It seemed to me that all the effort for Echo was spent in the research and building LJ. Jamie and Claire's story seemed artless. And speaking of lame..did it seem strange that Jamie would leave Claire to fend for herself during the ship fight? He just happened to make it back to kill the sailor who got hold of her right?
I mean CUMMON!
Niffer wrote: "Renee wrote: "Carolyn F. wrote: "Mairicat wrote: "Lisa wrote: "Robin wrote: "Heather wrote: "I know this is off beat to the initial thread question but as everyone is kinda switching to the charact..."You put your finger on what was wrong with the ship fight. That was very out of character for Jamie not to be right there protecting Claire. My thought about Arch Bug - I think he IS sinister, never knowing where or when he will pop up. More so because he's just bleeding unhinged now. Ian will be okay though. The thing about him is that when he is involved in something you just feel confident that he will take care of it. He exudes that same sense of capability that Jamie does. And he's so darn SWEET (also like his uncle). I do luv Ian.
Niffer wrote: "Renee wrote: "Carolyn F. wrote: "Mairicat wrote: "Lisa wrote: "Robin wrote: "Heather wrote: "I know this is off beat to the initial thread question but as everyone is kinda switching to the charact..."Yes! The Claire and Jamie drama was not the same. The ship fight just reminded me of when they were boarded on their way to Jocasta's place and they got robbed by Bonnett and company. Claire gets hit. Jamie didn't jump in until it looked like Claire would be killed. Most un-Jamielike too.
Kimberly wrote: "Along the lines of what Linda is saying, here is part of my review of Echo:...I think though that my absolute favorite part about Echo is seeing the evolution of the characters. I think that it i..."
Very well stated! Thank you.
Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Along the lines of what Linda is saying, here is part of my review of Echo:...I think though that my absolute favorite part about Echo is seeing the evolution of the characters..."
Thanks, Mary!! :) I think the books would lose a little of their luster if Jamie and Claire were static characters.
Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Along the lines of what Linda is saying, here is part of my review of Echo:...I think though that my absolute favorite part about Echo is seeing the evolution of the..."
Sure but there has to be a middle ground right? you can be surprising and revealing, layer and mature characters and still stay true to the character. We read 8+ books in a brilliantly complicated romance to see how the story blossoms not to watch the characters (or writer) grow to be complacent in their relationship sexually and emotionally. And I think I've just put my finger on the word/thing/feeling I've been searching for with 'complacent'. That sums up the feeling of Echo for me - writing and relationship wise. We get enough of 'complacent' in real life, that's why we read fantasy novels about women stepping through stones to find the love of their before-life.
Niffer wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Along the lines of what Linda is saying, here is part of my review of Echo:...I think though that my absolute favorite part about Echo is seeing t..."
Hmmm...I can see your POV and why you think of Echo as complacent. I just personally don't feel that way about it, but I definitely have a minority opinion. I think Book 8 will be anything but complacent no matter which way you slice it though--there are fireworks coming between Jamie and Claire for sure and obviously a lot to resolve with the whole Roger/Bree situation.
Kimberly wrote: "Niffer wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Along the lines of what Linda is saying, here is part of my review of Echo:...I think though that my absolute favorite part about Ech..."
I didn't feel that it was complacent either. I felt also that it holds alot of information to be built on. The potential is incredible from Jem to William to Fergus, etc. it's going to be fun to follow. Getting the relationships established was an important part of this book. Jaime and Claire will be right in the middle of it all.
Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Niffer wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Along the lines of what Linda is saying, here is part of my review of Echo:...I think though that my absolute favo..."
I totally agree with you. I think Echo in a lot of ways was part of a transition in the books and with the characters that will result in some fabulous story lines for the next book. I'm particularly interested in William's development...and the resolution of all the cliffhangers of course!
Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Niffer wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Along the lines of what Linda is saying, here is part of my review of Echo:...I think though that my ab..."
What about how Randall-Issacs fits into this? It makes me alittle nervous to consider the directions that could go. I agree William has just started to come into his own and should be fun to watch him. Listening to Echo was helpful for me. When I was reading it I did have a tendency to rush over some parts to get to the next. And, with Diana you can't do that; too much information can be lost. I also found that some of the attitudes were different than what I had interpreted reading and made more sense. Anyway, I really enjoyed the book and am anxiously waiting for the next. I only recently discovered this series and had the advantage of reading them one right after the other; so, waiting may not be easy. I just re-read them over and over or listen to them over and over when I need a fix. I don't seem to tire of them and always find something I missed.
Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Niffer wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Along the lines of what Linda is saying, here is part of my review of Echo:...I thin..."
I'm wondering about Randall-Isaac too. In order for Frank to be born, he can't die (unless there is something/someone else we as the reader still don't know). He definitely has something up his sleeve! I also rushed through Echo a bit because I was so excited to see what happens and I'm sure I missed some key things. I'm just starting my re-read of the whole series and I'm looking forward to getting back to Echo. I'm also going to read the LJ books between now and then (I haven't read them yet), which I think will enhance my re-read of Echo since LJ is so prominent in it.
Shell wrote: "I guess where my confusion with the whole thing is why 'sex' is the whole reasoning behind the majority of readers view on what happened....? One person could declare celabacy, and never again slee..."Took the words out of my mouth!
I'd go one step further with the "complacent" comment. I thought Jamie and Claire were pretty boring in Echo. And THEY are never boring. The only intense conversation I remember between them is after the fighting when Jamie almost dies and Claire has to shoo away the mother and son. Some have mentioned that Jamie and Claire are getting older. That the story needs to and will be turned to others. I could read 800 pages focused almost entirely on their relationship and their struggles and not want to put the book down. That is one of the reasons that Outlander grabs you and never lets you go. "It's the Jaime and Claire, stupid."
I love many of the other characters too, and they add to the flavor of the story, but they are not the meat. Jamie and Claire are the life and breath of the series and should always take center stage as far as I'm concerned.
I missed them...in Echo. Really, really missed them...
Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Niffer wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Along the lines of what Linda is saying, here is part of my review of Echo:..."I listened to the Lord John audiobooks and appreciate him a lot more. But I didn't listen to them until after Echo and feel I would have understood Echo a whole lot more if I had. So I'll have to do that. Echo's not my favorite of the Outlander books but I still loved it.
Carolyn F. wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Niffer wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Along the lines of what Linda is saying, here is part of m..."I did the same with the LJ audiobooks and it really does fill in some of the holes. It's more that Echo has a different format and presentation. Diana gave us a taste of it in Drums and grew with more points of view in the next 2 books. I guess I don't have a problem with that approach; to me it broadens the story and scope giving more information to the underlying current. I just encourage those that are unhappy to read it again and give it a chance, keeping in mind that it is different. Jaime and Claire are still the ever present center. The story still ultimately comes back to them and how in the world will all of these events effect and change their lives.
Mary wrote: "Carolyn F. wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Niffer wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Along the lines of what Linda is saying..."Mary I could not have said it better!
Susan wrote: "I'd go one step further with the "complacent" comment. I thought Jamie and Claire were pretty boring in Echo. And THEY are never boring. The only intense conversation I remember between them is aft..."I TOTALLY agree with you about being able to read an entire book that is exclusively about Jamie and Claire. They're what drew me into the series and keeps me obsessed with it. I do like reading about the other characters too, but I'm always waiting to get back to Jamie and Claire! They're the heart and soul of this series -- everyone else is just an accessory to me :)
Mary wrote: "Carolyn F. wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Niffer wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Along the lines of what Linda is saying..."But that makes Echo a transitional book. Which it shouldn't be. It should be complete in and of itself. It's not. How do you end a book with children in tunnels, and Roger gone back and Bree... It's like a five year 'tune in next week'. That's another thing that I really didn't appreciate about it.
Renee wrote: "Mary wrote: "Carolyn F. wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Niffer wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Mary wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "Along the lines of what Li..."Ok, fine. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I've expressed my view the best I can, as you have. I took it more as a promise than a manipulation; glass half full-glass half empty.
A promise? A book is supposed to be a complete story. This isn't a serial or a tv show. You don't leave characters that way in a huge book that people have been waiting for years to read. It ain't cool.
Renee wrote: "A promise? A book is supposed to be a complete story. This isn't a serial or a tv show. You don't leave characters that way in a huge book that people have been waiting for years to read. It ain't ..."Sure it is. There is a promise of more to come, but more importantly it's gotten people emotionally invested and interested; whether positive or negative, discussions are takng place. Each book has left the reader with questions, granted not so many; but, still some unanswered issues. I know you don't agree, and are frustrated to be left hanging.
Mary wrote: "Renee wrote: "A promise? A book is supposed to be a complete story. This isn't a serial or a tv show. You don't leave characters that way in a huge book that people have been waiting for years to r..."I don't see it as manipulation but am with Renee in that we have waited so long for this book and then it was not so much a satisfying read but a wild ride that left so many of our beloved characters in dire straits...yes that is frustrating and I did feel a bit cheated and not happy to have to wait three years for the next book.
Susan wrote: "I'd go one step further with the "complacent" comment. I thought Jamie and Claire were pretty boring in Echo. And THEY are never boring. The only intense conversation I remember between them is aft..."I do want to apologize for how very
long this is!!!
First Off Susan, Calling people or people's opinions "stupid" is really very childish.
This message board is here for us to discuss our thoughts, feelings, likes & dislikes of the books & I enjoy when someone comes up with something totally different than what I was thinking & it can totally changes my feelings about what I read. Sometimes I even feel like "did you read the same book I just read, because I don't see that!" Obviously you know that is what this board is for, but the "stupid" comment only makes you look it.
Your welcome to your feeling that Jamie & Claire are & should be the entire focus of the series or the "meat" as you so call it. However, I for one think these books would be very dull, monotonous & maybe even not worth reading if there were to be no other characters.
I absolutely LOVE Ian! He makes me feel so many emotions. The thought of him walking around for so long thinking he may have been the reason that his children where dieing or that he may never be able to give a woman a child. With Ian when he's angry or moody you can almost feel it & see & it makes me feel angry. When he's happy I have a smile & a sigh when he's sweet & tender. So, no I don't want to remove Ian. I like all of the characters in one way or another or I dislike them & wait for them to be wiped out so I can feel the revenge that I can never have in true life. Every one of the people in the book have a purpose of some kind otherwise I highly doubt an author would waste their time putting them in.
Lastly, the fact is if we follow the timeline Jamie & Claire have aged. Therefore Claire is in her mid 60's with Jamie a few years behind, so it stands to reason that they are going to have to be getting too old to be running off on the type of adventures we have been use to reading & considering the average life span for the times was in the 20's they have come far.
Now I don't know about you, but having some knowledge
of major injuries & taking into consideration all of Jamie's, I'm betting he's not going to be in a big hurry to be out fighting with swords or any of the other wonderful things he's done for 30+ years that's made my heart go crazy & produced many a sigh. I still want them to be major characters in many books to come & I hope to hear him & Claire bicker, Jamie teasing her & mostly his beautiful quotes that just melt me into a pile of mush. Therefore, I, in my mind like to think of them as setting up the "home base" on the Ridge or where ever they end up for all the family & friends to come back to. That they will continue to give loving & guidance to the younger members of the family, who ou know are going to need their help once in a will to get out of bad spots.
But, as you know this is only MY opinion.
One last thought, even though Jamie & Claire were the meat & patatoes of the books & the other charactors were not as exciteing or as endearing, maybe it was because they wern't supposed to be & maybe like everything else in life, we have to move over as parents & let our children take the stage & then slowly move back as they begin to grow & take over & we watch them with pride.
Robin wrote: "Susan wrote: "I'd go one step further with the "complacent" comment. I thought Jamie and Claire were pretty boring in Echo. And THEY are never boring. The only intense conversation I remember betwe..."Thank you, Robin!! :) This discussion has gotten a bit tense lately in my opinion (not speaking of Susan or anyone in particular). We all seem to have very strong opinions one way or another on the Echo debate. I'm in complete agreement with all that you said about the book, Robin, particularly about Ian (LOVE him!) and Jamie and Claire aging. Well said.
Whoa! Hold up. I'm terribly sorry if I've offended you personally Robin.
The "it's the Jamie and Claire, stupid" comment is mimicking the "it's the economy, stupid" comment from the Clinton years. The original comment was allegedly made by one of Clinton's advisors in reference to what should have been the focus of the President and his advisors at the time.
So, I'm suggesting that Echo got away from the main focus of what drives the story, in my opinion, namely, Jamie and Claire. I was not, if you re-read the comment, calling anyone here stupid.
I would never dream of intentionally trying to insult someone about their opinion of a book. In the end, it's just a story and we all have our own thoughts and ideas about it.
Please go back and re-read all of my comments. The pattern that you should find is that my frustration is strictly with the author. I do not like the style of Echo. I do not like the cliffhangers. I do not like the unlikely coincidences. I am disappointed with what I feel is the lack of continuity of characters. And I certainly feel Jamie and Claire should have been more central throughout.
There are plenty of people on this board who disagree with me. I haven't said one negative thing to them personally or tried to insult them. Some here agree with my assessment of Echo - some do not. That's alright. That's, what I thought, made it a discussion.
I would definitely read a book that was mostly about Jamie and Claire. However, in my comments, I said that I liked and enjoyed the other characters as well. I would never want to get rid of anyone in the series. I felt that Echo had too little Jamie and Claire is all...really.
Kimberly - I'm sorry that you feel this discussion "has gotten a bit tense lately." I have loved all of it.
It's been lively and wonderful and interesting and
all those things that make a discussion about a book series so enjoyable. I never intended to have it go to some dark place, nor did I ever get offended by others comments differing from mine. I welcome all comments about a book because you never know when someone will say something that sparks a memory or a laugh or a fondness for a particular character or scene.
Night all.
Susan wrote: "Whoa! Hold up. I'm terribly sorry if I've offended you personally Robin.
The "it's the Jamie and Claire, stupid" comment is mimicking the "it's the economy, stupid" comment from the Clinton year..."
Hi Susan--My comment about the discussion getting a little tense wasn't in reference to you specifically--I'm sorry for not making that clear. I went back and amended my comment for clarification. Again, sorry! I may be a bit more sensitive to the tone of the discussion, because there have been some fireworks on some other discussion threads (not in this group) of late. I guess I like discussions to be a bit more lighthearted.
I like the intense back and forth of these discussions myself. We all have our opinions, some firmly entrenched and some of us are open to other points of view. I love how we all love these books and characters so much. Lighthearted discussions are fine and so are the intense ones too. The intense ones make you want to say, "Hey wait a minute. . . " and then write your own opinion. As long as we're not calling each B****, I say keep it up.
I apologize if my postings have contributed to any intensity. Just trying to express a different point of view. I agree that these discussions whether lighthearted or intense are fun and thought provoking. It would be very boring if we all thought exactly alike. But, at the same time, comforting to have our thoughts validated when they do match someone of like thought. I love these books and the style of DG's writing, as everyone here does. It just shows how much we all do love them to evoke such emotion. It's nice to have an avenue to express ourselves.
Intensity is great, that's what makes it so fun, trying to get others to see what we see, as long as we don't hurt anyone. I love everyone's point, some I see, some I don't & that's the reason we are here I think.Well that & having someone who understands the intense feelings of love (sigh) & anger(grrr) these books have inspired! :) Now that we have that all out of our system, let hope we can all move on and go back to what's important, Echo!
Kimberly wrote: "Robin wrote: "Susan wrote: "I'd go one step further with the "complacent" comment. I thought Jamie and Claire were pretty boring in Echo. And THEY are never boring. The only intense conversation I ..."Thank You.. :)
Carolyn F. wrote: "I like the intense back and forth of these discussions myself. We all have our opinions, some firmly entrenched and some of us are open to other points of view. I love how we all love these books..."I'm with Mary and Carolyn F. I don't think anyone should be apologizing for their opinion about a book though, intense or no. UNLESS, they've gotten personal with another poster (ehem) and I didn't see Susan's comment that way at all. It read like KISS (keep it simple stupid) to me and I thought was obviously directed to the author. But, I also agree with Susan's sentiments about the book and frame of mind often seems to make all the difference in the world of emails and instant messages, and print. You, or your subconcious, CAN take just about anything however you want depending on your mind set at the time you read it. I have often regretted the fact that there is no sarcasm font and that in situations like this one, my caps, where I intend to emphasize a word actually mean I'm screaming at you all.
-With that in mind, I wonder how many of us who did not enjoy EITB have been reading and anticipating these books since the earlier years (199?) and if that has made any differnce in how we interpreted the books.
I wish there was some way to convey sarcasm too Niffer. One girl on Goodreads was reviewing an Anita Blake book mentioning how she used the word "hope" about 20 times in two paragraphs. So she made the last paragraph of her review read like those paragraphs. I told her I thought that was the best part of the review and she should be a ghost writer for Laurell Hamilton. She said, "Har, har, har." and then defriended me. I was just kidding! I thought her review was hysterical and very clever. Maybe I should have said that first?
Niffer wrote: "Carolyn F. wrote: "I like the intense back and forth of these discussions myself. We all have our opinions, some firmly entrenched and some of us are open to other points of view. I love how we a..."Sorry to hear that Carolyn. And it's unfortunate that she wouldn't accept your explanation. Maybe she was too embarassed for overeacting. Fortunately for me, the instance I was referring to happened in an email to my sister. She replied with sarcasm and I replied in turn with something like, I'm shocked you would say something like that! I'm ashamed of you! I even put a smiley face at the end. But, she had just had an argument with a coworker and all she saw was the mock reprimand- without the mock. Her reply was ugly, but the misunderstanding was easily fixed with a long distance phone call in which she was reminded whom it was she was writing to and told to get a grip! Too bad you can't do that with your internet friends.
Maybe we should write like we're scripting a play:
[Heavy sarcasm:] "I'm shocked you would..."
[Mock outrage:] "I'm ashamed of you!"
I've noticed we've been on the same wave length about EITB. Can I ask when you started reading the series? Or maybe I should start a new thread and not annoy everyone on this one.
I started Outlander a little over a year ago. I had bought a group of books from Ebay and that was thrown in. Didn't know anything about it but the back sounded interesting and then I was sucked in. I don't remember hearing one thing about this book before I read it and now I see it mentioned all over the place and see DG's name on all sorts of stuff. All those wasted years! (both hands reaching up in the air, pained look on my face) :)
Help please... was the outlandish jewelry link deleted? Sorry I am asking here, this thread seems to be most active. Thanks in advance.
I think you can find a link on DG's website.
What I mind are plot twists that are just not believable or plausible. I've already resolved to overlook th..."
I'm new to this group and this is my first post. I'm re-reading the series and am on Fiery Cross. My thought on Echo: I didn't like it. Susan reflected my thoughts very well...twists and cliffhangers are great elements of brilliant plotting, but Echo was way too disjointed. It made me feel like I was trekking for days though a boring flatland then was suddenly free-falling off the edge of a cliff...very disorienting. I agree that DG no doubt has a plan - just hope it does not involve phasing out Jamie and Claire. Bree and Roger are nice kids but no substitutes. As for Ian...maybe. No comments right now on William. About Claire and LJ - goofy twist but not so impossible to understand given the history and personalities of the characters. Claire will be forgiven...what's not to forgive? She and LJ were both out of their minds with grief. And Jamie better not beat her!!