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message 1851: by Alisinny (new)

Alisinny | 20 comments You would think so. However, I was reading a list a little while ago and it was about P2P and plagiarism etc. I find the topic fascinating actually and although I don't know all the intricacies I'm enjoying finding lots of information out there.
I thought it was very telling when the moderator lost their cool with a whiny fraud who claimed "it wasn't fair" that he/she be called a cheat, etc for publishing fanfic as original work and charging for it without any acknowledgement of the source.

I think there's a WHOLE WORLD of "authors" now who really have no idea of what a genre is, let alone how to write, but have discovered a lucrative source of income by cutting and pasting and then self-publishing.

Really this is the only explanation I can come up with to fully explain the (1) proliferation of "same sentence, same hero, same plot" work out there and (2) the lack of understanding of what constitutes a genre or even how to self-publish a semi-literate piece of writing

If a lot of this New romance genre had to go to a regular publisher and actually try to make it to a printing press process, well it just never ever would.


message 1852: by Ipshita (new)

Ipshita (miss_romanceaholic) | 1031 comments Alisinny wrote: "You would think so. However, I was reading a list a little while ago and it was about P2P and plagiarism etc. I find the topic fascinating actually and although I don't know all the intricacies I'm..."

This reminded me of Fifty Shades of Grey which was originally a Twilight Fanfic.


message 1853: by Alisinny (new)

Alisinny | 20 comments Exactly Ipshita, that's the origin of the argument.

I wish I could remember where I saw the discussion but it was somewhere on this site.

Somewhere being the operative word!

I saw a post the other day about legal action taken by Tammara Webber and S. C. Stephens who together successfully sued a faux author who not only impersonated themselves as a female author to publish, but cut and pasted from both of their works to create their "novel" for online publication. They actually won the lawsuit and the judge awarded all monies be paid to the original authors (who had already decided it should go to charity).

Until more people understand WHY IT'S STEALING we are going to have more of the "same same".


message 1854: by Abigail (new)

Abigail Sharpe (abigailsharpe) | 2010 comments They know it's stealing. They don't care.


message 1855: by Sonya (new)

Sonya Heaney Alisinny wrote: "I saw a post the other day about legal action taken by Tammara Webber and S. C. Stephens who together successfully sued a faux author who not only impersonated themselves as a female author to publish, but cut and pasted from both of their works to create their "novel" for online publication. They actually won the lawsuit and the judge awarded all monies be paid to the original authors (who had already decided it should go to charity)."

Wow, really? I knew about the plagiarised book (the 'author' tried to add me as a friend here on Goodreads), but I'd lost track of what happened after that.

Off to look it up...


message 1856: by Barbara (new)

Barbara Alisinny wrote: "Exactly Ipshita, that's the origin of the argument.

I wish I could remember where I saw the discussion but it was somewhere on this site.

Somewhere being the operative word!

I saw a post the oth..."


Just saw this and I am so glad to hear she's taking action. As an author, it's so frustrating to see someone's hard work being stolen by opportunists.


message 1857: by Melissa (new)

Melissa um what is "fanfic"?


message 1858: by Pamela(AllHoney), Fairy Godmother (new)

Pamela(AllHoney) (pamelap) | 14528 comments "Fan fiction (alternatively referred to as fan-fiction, fanfiction, fanfic, FF, or simply fic) is a broadly defined fan labor term for stories about characters or settings written by fans of the original work, rather than by the original creator. Works of fan fiction are rarely commissioned or authorized by the original work's owner, creator, or publisher; also, they are almost never professionally published."


message 1859: by Melissa (new)

Melissa Thank you Pamela!


message 1860: by Sonya (new)

Sonya Heaney Pamela(AllHoney) wrote: "they are almost never professionally published"

Except in 2012 and 2013, when every bestselling book is Twilight fanfiction and fanfic authors are becoming millionaires. :) :)

I'm really annoyed by those authors who get famous writing fanfic and then get professionally published and start denying their stories are based on other authors' work!

If you go to Tammara Webber's blog you can read her updates on the legal action she took. I'm so glad she went there. And I'm also flabbergasted the plagiariser refused to admit they did anything wrong! Just give up while you're ahead!


message 1861: by Pamela(AllHoney), Fairy Godmother (new)

Pamela(AllHoney) (pamelap) | 14528 comments you are welcome


message 1862: by June (new)

June (ladyjune) | 630 comments Just want to say

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message 1863: by Pamela(AllHoney), Fairy Godmother (new)

Pamela(AllHoney) (pamelap) | 14528 comments Thanks, June! And back to you! Merry Christmas!


message 1864: by Giulia (new)

Giulia | 1756 comments Just wanted to drop in and wish everyone a Merry Christmas.


message 1865: by Pamela(AllHoney), Fairy Godmother (new)

Pamela(AllHoney) (pamelap) | 14528 comments Merry Christmas to all!


Lisa - (Aussie Girl) | 13013 comments It's Christmas Day here, we just had lunch and as usual we all ate way too much.

Merry Christmas and best wishes everyone.


message 1867: by Heather L (new)

Heather L  (wordtrix) Merry Christmas, everyone!

Spent most of the day baking with my sister and niece -- I swear we could open our own cookie shop right now. After dinner and The Muppets Christmas Carol, it started to snow as we headed over to a nearby park to see the light display. Another couple inches expected before dawn!


message 1868: by Ipshita (new)

Ipshita (miss_romanceaholic) | 1031 comments Merry Christmas! :)


message 1869: by Ipshita (new)

Ipshita (miss_romanceaholic) | 1031 comments Heather L wrote: "Merry Christmas, everyone!

Spent most of the day baking with my sister and niece -- I swear we could open our own cookie shop right now. After dinner and The Muppets Christmas Carol, it started t..."


Wow! We never get any snow here in our city which has a tropical climate, but a white Christmas sounds wonderful.


message 1870: by Heather L (last edited Dec 24, 2013 10:15PM) (new)

Heather L  (wordtrix) Ipshita ~ We've had a few green years in my life, but we usually get at least a little snow before Christmas. Last year we had 18 inches of snow -- all in one day! -- five days before. This year, we've had several snowfalls since late November, including a winter storm over the weekend that left several inches of snow, an inch or two last night, a couple more expected tonight... I don't mind the snow, but I could do without the below zero (F) temps of the last few nights. There was a major water main break early Monday morning that resulted in a huge sinkhole, and at least six breaks today.


message 1871: by Ipshita (new)

Ipshita (miss_romanceaholic) | 1031 comments My mom would go into hibernation under such circumstances, she absolutely can't withstand cold. For me, I think I am more than satisfied with my occasional trips to hill stations to see snowfall. But really, that is so rough,Heather. I hope you get through all the trouble,and enjoy a very happy and prosperous Christmas and New Year.


message 1872: by Kari (new)

Kari | 1791 comments Merry Christmas!!


message 1873: by Lisa Kay, Tinker Bell (new)

Lisa Kay (lisakayalicemaria) | 21897 comments Merry Christmas, everyone!




message 1874: by Pamela(AllHoney), Fairy Godmother (new)

Pamela(AllHoney) (pamelap) | 14528 comments Happy New Year, everyone! Anyone got any resolutions they won't see through this year? Any you are determined to do?


message 1875: by Ipshita (new)

Ipshita (miss_romanceaholic) | 1031 comments Happy New Year!


message 1876: by Barbara (new)

Barbara Happy New Year Everyone! My resolution list is way too long to share here, but I do plan to read more than I did last year. I hate how my writing time has eaten into my enjoyment of books.


message 1877: by Abigail (new)

Abigail Sharpe (abigailsharpe) | 2010 comments Read more, lose weight, and be happy!


message 1878: by Pamela(AllHoney), Fairy Godmother (new)

Pamela(AllHoney) (pamelap) | 14528 comments Sadly, my workout routines will be cutting into some of my reading time so I had to downsize my goal for new year. Anyway, my resolution/revolution is to eat healthy and to take off pounds sensibly.


message 1879: by Heather L (new)

Heather L  (wordtrix) Barbara wrote: "Happy New Year Everyone! My resolution list is way too long to share here, but I do plan to read more than I did last year. I hate how my writing time has eaten into my enjoyment of books."

Are you doing the 2014 Goodreads reading challenge? That can be a good motivator.


message 1880: by Melissa (new)

Melissa My resolution is to win the Lottery this year!

That one may not be so easy to accomplish...


message 1881: by Lisa Kay, Tinker Bell (new)

Lisa Kay (lisakayalicemaria) | 21897 comments Oh, I really like that one, Melissa. ☺


message 1882: by Pamela(AllHoney), Fairy Godmother (new)

Pamela(AllHoney) (pamelap) | 14528 comments lol. nice goal to strive for!


message 1883: by Melissa (last edited Jan 04, 2014 11:19AM) (new)

Melissa It sounded so much more fun than the real one!

Which is to have my exercise bike in February so I can lose enough weight that my insurance company will FINALLY give the go ahead on my breast reduction! Then Bye Bye Ladies!


message 1884: by Abigail (new)

Abigail Sharpe (abigailsharpe) | 2010 comments Good luck, Melissa!


message 1885: by Lisa Kay, Tinker Bell (new)

Lisa Kay (lisakayalicemaria) | 21897 comments LOL!


message 1886: by Sonya (new)

Sonya Heaney Melissa wrote: "My resolution is to win the Lottery this year!

That one may not be so easy to accomplish..."


My parents actually won the lottery when I was too small to remember. But they were really unlucky, and something like twenty-four people had the same numbers, so the huge jackpot was divided up between all of them!


message 1887: by Abigail (new)

Abigail Sharpe (abigailsharpe) | 2010 comments I'd still take it!


message 1888: by Melissa (new)

Melissa I think just winning would tickle me so much I'd be happy for quite some time.


message 1889: by Giulia (new)

Giulia | 1756 comments I just wanted to drop in and say hi to everyone! Been very busy of late. I hope everyone is well and happy and enjoying fabulous romance novels.


message 1890: by Pamela(AllHoney), Fairy Godmother (new)

Pamela(AllHoney) (pamelap) | 14528 comments Hi, Jewels! Great to see you! All is well with me except a headache today but I'll be fine ☺


message 1891: by Giulia (new)

Giulia | 1756 comments Oh I hope so! Yeah, I'm good. This is a nuts year for at work, but trying to keep reading. Just hard to get into all the groups.


message 1892: by Abigail (new)

Abigail Sharpe (abigailsharpe) | 2010 comments I hear ya, Jewels.


message 1893: by Melissa (new)

Melissa Works been crazy but otherwise been great!


message 1894: by A (new)

A H Happy Valentine's Day everyone!!!!:)


message 1895: by Lisa Kay, Tinker Bell (new)

Lisa Kay (lisakayalicemaria) | 21897 comments Thanks, Ruchi! Happy Valentine's Day to you and everyone else, too!




message 1896: by Pamela(AllHoney), Fairy Godmother (new)

Pamela(AllHoney) (pamelap) | 14528 comments Happy Valentine's Day!!


message 1897: by Ipshita (new)

Ipshita (miss_romanceaholic) | 1031 comments Happy Valentine's Day! ( no matter how morbid its origins are actually :P )


message 1898: by Sonya (new)

Sonya Heaney Abigail wrote: "I'd still take it!"

Melissa wrote: "I think just winning would tickle me so much I'd be happy for quite some time."

I would, too. However, I've grown up with my father telling the story about how he was all smug, thinking he'd be driving a Ferrari to work the next week, and then discovering he didn't win anywhere near as much as he thought! I've always felt really sorry for him - it's such a pathetic story!!


message 1899: by Abigail (new)

Abigail Sharpe (abigailsharpe) | 2010 comments That's too funny. Someone should have bought him a matchbox car.


message 1900: by Pamela(AllHoney), Fairy Godmother (new)

Pamela(AllHoney) (pamelap) | 14528 comments Third day that school is out due to ice! EEK! Help!

lol jk... I will survive!


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